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Old 26-07-2009, 02:46 PM   #421
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Just to let you know..............

dropped in on darren and family last night,

darren and family are fine . a few close calls for donna but still seems to be carring well and expecting mid/late Aug.
he was working hard editing clips for some of his latest videos , nothing new there. They are trying to destress and do family outings to allow them some normalfamily time this school summer holiday along with the bady coming .....

I have had some emails asking how could they help ...does darren need anything ..
well you know me i asked .....

darren said no through pride ....but i do know that he needs help fixing his camera ....it needs about £500 worth of work ...so any ideas there anyone?

darren's work never stops everywhere he is standing up for his rights and in doing so is standing up for your rights ...it would be nice to see him doc is own work


darren will have his net up and running by mid week and will be able to share some very intresting insights to some events which have raised question.....

until then he wish that everyone is well and thanks



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers
Malvern you could ask for donations, maybe set up a webpage with a paypal donate button on it? It's not begging, everyone needs money to be able to keep the information flowing out.
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Old 26-07-2009, 03:54 PM   #422
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Just to let you know..............

dropped in on darren and family last night,

darren and family are fine . a few close calls for donna but still seems to be carring well and expecting mid/late Aug.
he was working hard editing clips for some of his latest videos , nothing new there. They are trying to destress and do family outings to allow them some normalfamily time this school summer holiday along with the bady coming .....

I have had some emails asking how could they help ...does darren need anything ..
well you know me i asked .....

darren said no through pride ....but i do know that he needs help fixing his camera ....it needs about £500 worth of work ...so any ideas there anyone?

darren's work never stops everywhere he is standing up for his rights and in doing so is standing up for your rights ...it would be nice to see him doc is own work


darren will have his net up and running by mid week and will be able to share some very intresting insights to some events which have raised question.....

until then he wish that everyone is well and thanks



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers
Cool, cheers Mark!
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Old 26-07-2009, 07:34 PM   #423
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i think all the decent people on this forum who supported darren through this wonderful experience should give themselves a pat on the back....united we stood and now we have footage to help others understand whats going on........fab......
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Old 26-07-2009, 08:21 PM   #424
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wow this thread i sway too long to read all of it....shocking story! one hear a (possibpy) worse one then email me......you guys really do need to know what u r up against!!!
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Old 26-07-2009, 10:31 PM   #425
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Laws are not set in stone ... common law is a "fluid" concept, which is forever evolving with each new case either adding to or eroding from the current conception of the law in question.
Law is about precedent and case law, building a custom, by sheer weight of historical experiences.
Statutes and Acts can be removed; its called repeal or abolish.

The more I look into it, the more I notice that Common Law is simply a subsection of Commercial Law, rather than the other way around.
Commercial Law has been in England/Britain/UK for a very long time, stretching well before the codification of the Magna Carta; back to 1066 and even prior.
Roman Civil Law is the foundation of all law in the UK, which is commercial in structure.
Merchant Law was also introduced in the 11th century (?) and has become firmly interwoven with the rules, customs and laws of the land.

Some will argue that Darren's "success" was because of his use of Common Law and that he held on to his standing as a man, rather than a person.
Therefore he could not be a subject or subjected to statute rules and corporate policies.
That is definitely one interpretation that fits the Freeman/Common Law ideology.

Consider the following, just to test the boundaries of knowledge ...

Could it also be explained in Commercial Law terms, insofar as Darren simply refused to contract under their terms and conditions?
Was Darren's "success" due to their being no enforceable contract as there was no agreement, no meeting of minds; both of which are required for a contract to be valid.
Without a valid contract, any attempt by the courts to seek closure of the contract (judgement for plaintiff) and to then claim compensation (penalty, fine, criminal record), is void ab initio.

So, some will claim it as a resounding win for Common Law and the upholding of Freeman ideology.
I'm leaning towards it being further evidence of the power of Commercial Law, of which the Freeman ideology, if "played well", may offer a path of finding remedy within its complex labyrinth.
So are you saying that by claiming a Common Law jurisditcion still ultimately places you under commercial law but you are un-acted upon due to lack of contract?
This makes some sense but commercial law still never contains any reference to 'Human beings' or man/woman or to the concept of love, surely this would show somewhere? I'm not as well versed in all the freeman theories as you but this is the main point I would go with.
I would personally claim to be under "God's law" and act with love compassion and in the best interest of all my fellow men/women. Let's see TPTB argue that one!

with regards to Darren:

Well done! feeling proud of him for standing up for his beliefs and acting upon his rights. I'm actually quite inspired and would like to get out in the town centre with a megaphone and speak my mind now, lol.
Although I'll prob wear a t-shirt with "THIS IS NOT A PROTEST" across the front to combat that arguement from policy enforcers and "PEACEFUL MAN SPEAKING HIS MIND (albeit rather loud)" across the back. This way I can point out to any of those enforcers who become somewhat confused between the two

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Old 26-07-2009, 10:58 PM   #426
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Been offline for over 2 weeks and read this thread this evening.
Well done Darren of the Pollard family, your a decent human being.
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Old 27-07-2009, 08:52 AM   #427
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Several tribes of Saxons landed here, and first drove the northern invaders
within their own borders ; then turned their arms against the Britons
themselves ; and having forced great numbers of them into the mountains
of Wales, subjected the rest to their dominion, which gradually subsided
into seven independent kingdoms (a). The circumstances of this revolution
are related to be of a kind differing from most others. The Saxons are
described as a rude and bloody race ; who, beyond any other tribe of northern people,
set themselves to exterminate the original inhabitants, and destroy every
monument and remains of their establishment (a). In so general a ruin,
it cannot be imagined that the customs of the native Britons, or the laws ingrafted
upon them by the Romans, could meet with any favor (6).

The kingdoms of the Heptarchy were, for a time, independent of each other;
and though a like state of society and manners prevailing in all of them must
of course have produced the like spirit and principle of legislation in common,
yet their laws must have been specifically different.

Hence grew a variety of laws among the Saxons themselves (c). In the reign of Alfred,
the Danes, who had long harassed the kingdom, were by solemn treaty settled
in Northumberland and the country of the East Angles, besides great numbers
scattered all over the realm.

The Danes were after this considered, in some measure, as a part of the nation.
They were suffered to enjoy their own laws within their district ; and these,
when their own kings sat upon the English throne, pervaded in some
degree all parts of the country.

From these various causes it happened, that towards the latter part of the Saxon times,
the kingdom was governed by several different laws and local customs (a).
The most general of all these were the three following ; the Mercian Law,
the West-Saxon Law, and the Danish Law. If any of the British or Roman customs
still subsisted, they were sunk into, and lost in one of these laws (6) ; which governed
the whole kingdom, and have since received the general appellation of The Common Law.
Taken from History of the English law

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Common Law
The expression "Common Law" has several meanings.
First it is used to distinguish law as practiced in the common law courts from equity.
Second, it is used to distinguish the so-called unwritten law, that is,
traditional law, law which from custom has become the law of the land,
from the statute law or law declared by parliament.
Third, it is used to distinguish this law which is the law of England,
from the civil law which is the law of those countries who have founded
their system upon Roman Law.

There is also another distinction.
In examining the reports of the 17th century, hardly any commercial cases
will be found. For example, under charter parties and bills of lading, there
are very few cases concerning merchants and ships despite the fact that
these matters have always been productive of litigation, the reason being
that the common law did not govern these types of cases; they were left
to be governed by the law merchant, a branch of the law of nations.
Commercial matters were dealt with by special courts in and under a special
law which was at that time a well established law and largely based on
mercantile customs.

The Law Merchant
The history of the law merchant or Lex Mercatoria is therefore really
the history of private international law which grew in great degree out
of the transactions between different nations. And at one time, without
doubt, it was the law of England simply because it was the law of other
nations.
Taken from History of Merchant Law
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JUS GENTIUM - The law of nations.
Although the Romans used these words in the sense we attach to law of nations, yet among them the sense was much more extended.

Some writers have made a distinction between the laws of nations which have for their object the conflict between the laws of different nations, which they call jus gentium privatum, or private international law; and those laws of nations which regulate those matters which nations, as such, have with each other, which is de nominated jus gentium publicum, or public international law.
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On What Law Merchant Based
The Lex Mercatoria would seem to be in part based on Roman law, in part
maritime custom, in part the law of the Medieval European fairs, and to
a great extent upon the last.

Here we have coupled together Roman Law (the State is God), maritime law
(international law of war and commerce) and Merchant Law which is the
present-day law of national and international banking.

Contents of Lex Mercatoria
There is some obscurity as to what constituted the substance of the Lex
Mercatoria, but it is definitely defined as the law administered as
between merchants and the consular or commercial courts, some of it being
substantive law and some rules of evidence and procedure.
Taken from History of Merchant Law


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Effect of the Law Merchant on Common & Statute Law
Many of the rules of the Law Merchant were directed to evade inconvenient
rules of the common law. For example, one of the first rules of the
common law is that a man cannot give what he himself has not. Hence, a
man who has no title to goods cannot give title. Consequently, when
you buy a thing, if you are to be sure that you have title to it, you
must inquire into the title of that thing back to its remote possessors,
to make sure that no one in the chain of title stole it or obtained it by
fraud. Whereas, the merchant said that commercial business "cannot be
carried on if we have to inquire into the title of everybody who comes to
us with documents of title."
Lord Justice Bowen in Sanders v. McKlean, 11 Q.B.D. page 343 said,
"The practice of merchants is not based on the supposition of possible
fraud. The object of mercantile usage is to prevent the risk of
insolvency, not of fraud; and anyone who attempts to follow and under-
stand the Law Merchant will soon find himself lost, if he begins by
assuming that merchants conduct their business on the basis of attempting
to insure themselves against fraudulent dealing. The contra is the case.
Credit, not distrust, is the basis of commercial dealings. Mercantile
genius consists principally in knowing whom to trust and with whom to
deal . . ."
The Law Merchant dealt with many choses in action, and it would have
been very inconvenient, for example, when a man took a bill of exchange,
if he were not able to sue on it in his own name or would have to inquire
into the title of all previous endorsers.

[It is a uniform practice of banks, when processing checks, to stamp their
endorsement on the back with the note "P.E.G.", which stands for "Prior
Endorsement Guaranteed."]

Hence, the Law Merchant established certain documents or choses in
action which were transferable by delivery and endorsement, or by
delivery, so that the holder could sue in his own name and which passed
good title to the transferee who took them in good faith, notwithstanding
the transferor had no title. They could be sued on by the holder in his
own name and were not affected by previous lack of title. This
instrument was the original negotiable instrument. Hence, the law of
negotiable instruments, with a few exceptions, is founded entirely upon
the customs of merchants.
Taken from History of Merchant Law
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Old 27-07-2009, 01:48 PM   #428
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anybody ot a contact for darren that they dnt mind sharing?
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