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Old 29-07-2013, 03:34 AM   #72681
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http://mancunianmatters.co.uk/conten...n-hunt-opened-

They didn't find the wall because of the fire on Oldham street, I wonder?
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http://rateyourmusic.com/list/dubby_...r_record_shops

Independent record shops may be dropping like flies, but thankfully Manchester still has it's fair share. Here's my (incomplete) guide to the record shops of the city of Manchester, bucking trends and still clinging on at the turn of the new decade. These are the places that hoover up most of my spare change and keep me nerdy.

RIP: Powercuts, Fat City, Big Pink, Roadkill, Vox Pop, Church Street Records, One Drop.

Beatin' Rhythm
Tib Street, Northern Quarter
Specialists in all things soul related, visiting Beatin Rhythm for the first time is like stepping into an idealised image of the perfect record shop. Thousands upon thousands of 45's for vinyl heads, and tons of CD's, including the greatest doo-wop section you'll probably ever see anywhere. Not the cheapest selection, but just browsing this place is always massive fun.
EDIT - November 2010: Beatin' Rhythm have now moved from their familiar location at the nice end of Tib Street to a smaller shop up at the scruffier Ancoats end. The CD selection has suffered a bit from the reduction in space, but it still boasts easily the best selection of 45's in Manchester.

Church Street Records
Church Street, City Centre
One of those places I walk past all the time, rarely actually venture into, but would miss hugely if it wasn't there. A scruffy, odd little place that looks like it was built by GCSE woodwork students - half shop, half shanty town - that's full of ultra-cheap records and cd's. To be honest a lot of the stock is junk, but when this place gets bulldozed to make way for the next wave of gentrification, another bit of the real Manchester will be gone for good.
EDIT: well it stood for god knows how many years, then I publish this list and it immediately gets knocked down! Damn shame.

Deco
Egerton Crescent, Withington
This place is right in my old neighbourhood, and I used to be a frequent visitor. It closed down around 2005 but happily it's now re-opened again with a new owner. Unfortunately though, the new layout is absolutely rubbish, with CD's taking up about 1/4 of the stock but over half the space, and the vinyl absolutely crammed into upright shelves which make them difficult to browse. Still worthy of a look if you're in the area.

Discovery Records
Hyde Road, Gorton
Far from the more bohemian settings of the Northern Quarter or leafy Chorlton, in deepest darkest Gorton, lies Discovery Records & Books. It's a tatty, musty old place, but you just can't fuck with a record shop that has a proper nasty looking brothel (er, sorry, 'gentlemans club') upstairs!

It's Belle Vue. Not greater Manchester though.

Eastern Bloc
Stevenson Square, Northern Quarter
Previously owned by Martin Price from 808 State. Apparently this place used to be split 50/50 between indie and dance music, but ever since I've known it it's been Manchester's main dance music hub. As you might expect, vinyl is king here, and the emphasis is on the cutting edge, so don't expect much in the way of vintage second hand goodies.
EDIT - November 2011: After over 20 years as one of the staples of Oldham Street crate digging, Eastern Bloc have now moved just around the corner to Stevenson Square.

Empire Exchange
Newton Street, City Centre
Far from just a record shop, if you're after something pre-used and slightly esoteric, you might just find it in the strange basement world of the Empire Exchange, from clothes to comic books to vintage porn mags. Music wise, there is a pretty wide selection of vinyl, including a healthy amount of 45's, and a smaller selection of CD's too. This is one of those places best approached by leaving your wishlist at the door and just jumping in and seeing what you come across (just ignore the Man United memorabilia).

King Bee Records
Wilbraham Road, Chorlton
Probably the best place for used vinyl in Manchester, and my number one Saturday afternoon haunt. A real oldschool record shop, small but crammed with mountains of vinyl of all stripes - with especially great selections of jazz and soul - and faultlessly fair pricing, with most genre's having seperate 'cheap' and 'collectors' sections. I'm in there almost every week, and still never leave without at least 2 or 3 great cheap finds.

One Drop Records
Princess Road, Moss Side
Run by Hussla Ghetto Heart Soundsystem man Tappa Benz, One Drop unsurprisingly specialise in all things dancehall. Not much vinyl, but for cd's and dvd's they've got you covered on the reggaelar, with a bit of gospel thrown in. Last time I dropped in the shelves were a bit bare and it was looking kinda dead, but lets hope that's just a temporary blip.
EDIT: It wasn't a temporary blip. One Drop is no more.

Piccadilly Records
Oldham Street, Northern Quarter
Along with King Bee, this is the main place that eats up my Saturday afternoons and keeps me perpetually broke. Generally thought of as Manchester's indie heaven, they're well stocked in dance, jazz, soul, psyche, African and other goodies too, but there's no second hand stuff so it can be expensive. No matter, any shop with it's own (albeit small) David Axelrod section is automatically one of the best places on the planet.

Sifters
Fog Lane, Burnage
Namechecked in song by local shit merchants Oasis, Sifters is worth a visit just to see a place that genuinely doesn't seem to have changed one bit since some time in the mid-80's. Quite a lot of the stock looks like it's been sat there as long as the decor, and they've got an annoying habit of marking nearly everything as 'Mint' regardless of its actual condition, but it's all dirt cheap so there's not much room to complain, and I've never left empty handed.

Vinyl Exchange
Oldham Street, Northern Quarter
A tale of two floors. Upstairs is undoubtedly the place for used CD's in Manchester, with a vast across the board selection that you could get lost in for days, and pretty fair pricing. Downstairs though, the vinyl selection is needlessly - sometimes ludicrously - expensive compared to other places in the city, so I don't venture in there too often.

Vinyl Revival
Hilton Street, Northern Quarter
Just around the corner from Oldham Street, with a wide selection but specialising in Manchester bands, Vinyl Revival is often overlooked compared to its neighbours, but the amount of great stuff I've pulled out of there - particularly in the soul and funk sections - over the years is no joke. You can find a hidden gem or two hiding in the £1 section every now and then as well.

V Revolution
Oldham Street, Northern Quarter
There's been a punk-shaped void in Manchester since Roadkill Records closed a few years back, so it's great to stumble across a new vegan lifestyle shop at the Ancoats end of Oldham Street which sells punk/hardcore/metal vinyl and tapes, alongside whatever gunge it is that vegans actually eat. The selection of records at the moment is pretty limited but hopefully this will grow into a great place.

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Old 29-07-2013, 04:16 AM   #72682
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Discovery Records

Hyde Road, Gorton

Far from the more bohemian settings of the Northern Quarter or leafy Chorlton, in deepest darkest Gorton, lies Discovery Records & Books. It's a tatty, musty old place, but you just can't fuck with a record shop that has a proper nasty looking brothel (er, sorry, 'gentlemans club') upstairs!

It's Belle Vue. Not greater Manchester though.
Top ten club was belle vue though too I think? I don't know Manchester but reading last night savile not only DJd at his own club three coins fountain street but also heaven and hell club but also plaza where Dave Lee Travis & man city FC
And at top ten club - sure it was top ten club at belle vue because it reminded me of loyal order of ancient shepherds friendly society belle vue rd woodhouse leeds
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Top ten club was belle vue though too I think? I don't know Manchester but reading last night savile not only DJd at his own club three coins fountain street but also heaven and hell club but also plaza where Dave Lee Travis & man city FC
And at top ten club - sure it was top ten club at belle vue because it reminded me of loyal order of ancient shepherds friendly society belle vue rd woodhouse leeds
http://www.manchesterbeat.com/venues...ten/topten.php

Opened in May, 1962, the Top Ten Club was held in the New Elizabethan Ballroom, Belle Vue.

Live acts appeared each week, with Jimmy Saville as resident DJ for most of the club's life, together with Dave Eager.
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Saw a reference to discovery records having a business executive lounge upstairs - seems bizarre it was 80/90s and not 60s though when henlow grange grange Tec happened
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...man-music.html
Daily Mail - 24 July 2007

The Monster of Rock - Why Sharon Osbourne's dad was the most feared man in music

Born in Manchester in 1926, his real name was Harry Levy and he began his career singing in the local synagogue, from where he progressed quickly to performing on the variety circuits at 14 in wartime Britain.

At 18 he was called up and worked his way into ENSA, the entertainment division of the Army. But when it looked as though he was about to be shipped abroad and into harm's way, he faked a mysterious illness which kept him safely in hospital during hostilities. This tough guy did not want to risk getting killed.

Don Arden introduced Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard to Britain, and then managed the Small Faces, the Electric Light Orchestra and Black Sabbath - the band fronted by his son-in-law, Ozzy Osbourne

But when a group from Liverpool called The Beatles turned up, he didn't give them a second glance.

It was a lucky escape for them. Brian Epstein always paid his groups their due royalties. Arden didn't, which may help account for the Rolls-Royce and the flash jewellery he liked to buy for his wife, Hope.

As a promoter he was doing well, but by the mid-Sixties the biggest money of all lay in management.

Enter Steve Marriott and the Small Faces. Paying them £25 a week, and enough Carnaby Street gear to satisfy their mod dreams, he rented them a house, a Jaguar and a driver.

And then by paying Radio Caroline to play their records, and giving a bit more to the guys on the music papers who compiled the record charts, he got them to No1.

It was totally corrupt, bribery at its crudest, but it worked brilliantly.

Of course, when the Small Faces later questioned their record royalties it took them ten years in legal wrangling to get the money they were due out of Arden. In that sense they might have been luckier than some.

Most famously, impresario Robert Stigwood found out the hard way not to mess around with Arden. Having heard that Stigwood had shown an interest in the Small Faces, Arden, along with three hoods, turned up at his office one afternoon.

There the hoods lifted Stigwood bodily out of his chair and dangled him from his fourth-floor balcony window by the ankles. Stigwood got the message.

And when another manager, Clifford Davis, tried to take the band The Move from him, he grabbed Davis in an armlock and drove his lighted cigar into his rival's forehead. After that, he would claim, fear became his number one weapon.

So it went on in the background of the endless waves of British rock music. Behind the glitz of Top Of The Pops were serious, sometimes villainous men like Arden making mountains of money which they were determined to hang on to. He would beat the other guy, he would say, by "fair means or foul".

Foul must often have seemed quicker.

There was the occasion when a record company refused his request to release one of his bands from a contract. Overnight the record company's offices were mysteriously burnt down.

"Did I do it?" he deliberately teased in his autobiography.

"Well, I was away in America at the time, so I couldn't, could I"' Of course not. But within two days he had secured the release of his band from their contract.

And then there was the time when he believed that an accountant who worked for him had cheated him out of some money. Employing five toughs, he went to the accountant's house, where they smashed in his door and delivered him back to Arden's office.

Then, Arden says in his autobiography, he "really went to work on him".

"I wanted to make sure he never had a child," he wrote. "So I got my tools out and battered his p****. I could have battered his head, but I didn't. I just wanted my ****ing money back."

Perhaps not altogether surprisingly he was later charged with the kidnapping, blackmail, torture and the assault of the former employee.

Amazingly, he got off.

But, according to him, seeing the detective involved in the case outside the Old Bailey after the trial, Arden told him: "If you ever come near me or any of my family again you'll have me to answer to - and this time you won't have to wait for a ****ing trial.

"You won't ****ing live that long."

His son, David, would later serve seven months in prison on different charges relating to the same offences.

Maybe Arden talked bigger than he actually was, a little guy from Manchester with a big chip on his shoulder, who'd had a so-so career as a singer and, deciding he couldn't compete with sexy rock 'n' roll, went into the less glamorous job of managing it.

Certainly, he was a big mouth, but he had some very unsavoury friends, too, going into a merchandising business at one point with some American Mafia bosses who had allegedly been involved in 150 murders.

By the late Seventies with the success of his company Jet Records and management of the Electric Light Orchestra, he was mega-rich and living in Howard Hughes's old house in California, with Cary Grant as a neighbour.

He liked to boast how he was even introduced to Ronald Reagan.
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http://www.manchesterbeat.com/venues...ten/topten.php

Having just read all the comments above I can say I was privileged to have seen most of the acts, a few names were missed accidentally of course. Here's just a few, Sonny & Cher, Ike & Tina Turner, the Animals, Beach Boys, Glen Campbell when he was a member of the Beach Boys, Alan Price when he was the organist with the Animals, Elton John when he was just a backing musician with the Faces, the actual Small Faces, most of the motown groups & soloists, saw Stevie Wonder for the old ten bob note when he appeared there.

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Saw a reference to discovery records having a business executive lounge upstairs - seems bizarre it was 80/90s and not 60s though when henlow grange grange Tec happened
Yeah. The Daily Mail article is quite different from the Mirror assertions.

Both articles said Greater Manchester, so I would think that would leave out Belle Vue and Top Ten. Don't know. Really want to know which record store it is.
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“Well Eastern Bloc started as a stall in Affleck’s Palace and they were a very anarchistic bunch from Bolton. I think if you talked to all the record shops in Manchester there was a huge rivalry going on that energised it all. Eastern Bloc were arch rivals with Spin Inn, arch rivals with Piccadilly Records. There was a classic Eastern Bloc story when one of the Smiths albums came out. They went and superglued Piccadilly Records’ doors together. It coincided with a Smiths convention in Manchester and somebody was sent out to superglue their doors. They’d ordered about twice the stock in.”


Musically, I think that’s where it propagates. People were going into Afflecks, hanging out in the hairdressers, hearing about all these parties, all of which tended to be more illegal than the last.”

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Hi Everyone, I've not posted here for a while but have been lurking and cogitating!

With regards to the record shop. The report state it's in 'Greater Manchester', so I think that implies it's not actually in the city itself. ( I could be wrong obviously)

Also the reports say 'a wall in a record shop' or flat above a record shop, not a former record shop or anything like that, so this must be somewhere that has been a record shop since the 80's and still is, in the surrounding areas of Manchester.

Another observation is that the Mirror story says it's a list of girls names and the Mail says it's boys and girls. Together with the tone of the Mirror story and it's links to the 'monster' Savile it seems like another story that tries to reinforce the idea that this is all weird dirty old men like Savile targetting teenage girls. The abuse of boys in care homes and other places remains convieniently out of the picture.

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Old 29-07-2013, 08:22 AM   #72689
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Wow so it was real then, I didnt dream it?!

"A source revealed: “The wall looked like something straight out of a horror movie. There were lists and lists of names of the victims – it’s a shocking discovery.”

The list of girls and young women is thought to identify ­hundreds of potential new victims abused at the hands of the BBC DJ and it raised fears Savile was at the centre of a celebrity paedophile ring.

Police believe the major breakthrough could lead to further arrests – including other well-known celebrities.

The wall also appeared to contain the names of girls the sick group hoped to target in the future"..

"The source said: “Savile appeared to be using the room above the record store as some kind of secret HQ to plan his vile acts.

“There appears to be some suggestion that he was not acting alone either.

“There were others who appear to be involved, several others, some of whom are household names.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/jimmy-s...#ixzz2aKkgz1A5


All further evidence clearly supporting fact he was not acting alone.

But 'celebrities' are not the only customers/pimps.

We are getting closer though!!




@Troy lol thanks for the gifs and well - wishes!


EDIT-this should be headline news on every site considering the amount of new victims this may identify - I can only hope its not yet (!) because it was a Mirror 'Exclusive' and it will be tomorrow!!
Good story in the mirror.

Also interesting comment by a mr Alan brings worth


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Andy white is spot on, all these old celebs being arrested is fine but when are the police going to get the big fish ie top politicians and certain members into the royal bloodlines and the intelligence agencies who are protecting them.
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Yeah. The Daily Mail article is quite different from the Mirror assertions.

Both articles said Greater Manchester, so I would think that would leave out Belle Vue and Top Ten. Don't know. Really want to know which record store it is.
We k ow he had a flat in Manchester. A Jewish friend of mine told me the name of the street, not far from where she and the Jewish community live.
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A few snippets of gossip here

Savile lived on gt clowes st

Mentions a lot of groups of the era incl jagger

http://www.manchesterbeat.com/venues.../discagogo.php
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Spin Inn record shop in Manchester. Adjacent to Top of the Town discotheque/nightclub on Cross Street. Gary Laine was a dj at the club and also managed the record shop. A haven for soul lovers in late 60's Manchester.

ALL very Convenient discotheque and shop together and Laine working in both places.
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Savile left Manchester to work for a pirate radio station where his reputation grew. He returned in 1964 and presented the very first edition of Top of the Pops from the BBC’s studios in Dickenson Road, Rusholme.

At the height of his fame in the 60s, he lived in a modest flat in Great Clowes Street, Higher Broughton, where he was often seen sitting outside on the steps chatting to passers-by.

Yet despite his flamboyant clothes and fleet of brightly coloured cars, inside the flat he had the walls and ceilings painted black.

And while Savile was a regular in the Manchester nightclubs where he partied with celebrities including United legend George Best, rumours were growing of a darker side to his character.

The M.E.N. has been told that during this time Savile was a regular at parties which were held at a modest house in Clayton where boys as young as 14 were invited.

One visitor, who asked not to be named, said: “We were all star-struck to be honest. I never saw him do anything wrong but looking back there were kids as young as 14 there, all boys. It wasn’t right.”


So we have mention of his flat in Great Clowes street and young boys at a house in Clayton. I wonder who owned that?

(edit to add someone says Savile lived at 103 Ascot Court, Broughton.)

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Interesting why the Mail would feel the need to publish a story like this today discussing the merits and ills of Paedophile vigilante groups. My feelings are perhaps mixed on vigilante groups - we know the worst that can happen. We also hear that this group have brought about arrests and a conviction however.

But this mail article seems to me to be pushing the 'hysteria buttons' to me. Note also the emotive language on occasion and physical descriptions of the 'hunters'.

The vigilante paedophile hunters: They claim to be good citizens exposing sex predators by posing as underage girls online. Police say they're recklessly jeopardising official investigations. Who's right?

Vigilante organisation Letzgo Hunting uses internet to hunt paedophiles
Group was in headlines recently when they handed dossiers to police
Arrests came after the group told officers of their contact with ten men
They also handed over videos of some men meeting 'decoy' girl
Fears they could name innocent man or jeopardise police investigation
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Holding up his smartphone, the founder of an organisation called Letzgo Hunting scrolls through a long series of tiny internet profile pictures of men.
Some are in their 20s and grinning inanely, others are middle-aged with blank expressions. A few are pensioners.
All of these men, says Jamie — or ‘Scumm Buster’ as he likes to be known — are paedophiles grooming under-age girls in chatrooms and on social networking and dating sites such as ‘badoo’ and ‘tagged.com’, each of which have more than 100 million members worldwide. ‘We are currently in online contact with about 30 such men who are talking to us in a sexually explicit way as we pose as teenage girls on the web,’ Jamie says.
‘They are cunning and expert at targeting children.’
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Letzgo Hunting is a vigilante organisation which uses the internet to hunt paedophiles

In many recordings of the group's encounters with alleged paedophiles, the suspect is filmed fleeing after realising he has been set up
He calls up a number of obscene photographs the men have taken of themselves and sent to the ‘girls’.

Letzgo Hunting is a vigilante organisation which uses the internet to hunt paedophiles. The group, made up of mothers and fathers, was in the headlines recently when arrests came after the group handed police dossiers of their contact with ten men, as well as videos of some men meeting a ‘decoy’ girl, apparently for sex.

In many recordings of the group’s encounters with alleged paedophiles, the suspect is filmed fleeing after realising that he has been set up. The group then ‘names and shames’ them by posting the videos online.

Such tactics, first championed in America, are as contentious as they have proven popular.
And while most people find it reprehensible that anyone should devote so much time to ‘chatting’ with perverts online in an attempt to police the web, it once again begs the question why internet giants can’t do more to prevent the internet becoming a hunting ground for paedophiles.

Worryingly, these vigilantes are acting as police, judge and jury. One day they could wrongly name an innocent man as a paedophile with potentially catastrophic results.
The group's tactics, first championed in America, are as contentious as they have proven popular


So who are the key players in Letzgo Hunting, and are they really qualified to tackle the menace of online grooming?
Can the ‘evidence’ they gather really result in criminal charges and convictions?


In the lobby of a hotel in the market town of Hinckley, Leicestershire, three men place their smartphone handsets on the coffee table and look furtively around to check that our conversation cannot be overheard.
It is the first time the group has met a journalist to reveal how they operate, and what motivates them.
‘We have to protect our identity — a lot of the paedophiles would love to know who we are,’ says Jamie.

The group 'names and shames' the suspects by posting the videos online
He is in his late 20s, is a father, and has worked as a doorman. Thick set and with tattoos on his arms, he is physically intimidating but speaks softly with an East Midlands accent.


‘I know people who have been abused, and a few years ago discovered a friend of mine had been convicted of paedophilia, which shook me to the core — none of his friends had the faintest idea,’ he says.
‘And then I saw the American television show To Catch A Predator, where investigators use the internet and a decoy girl to trap paedophiles, who are filmed and then arrested.’
'I do this because I am a father. The police are too busy stopping people speeding to tackle this problem'

- 'Psycho Buster'
And so, in January, Letzgo Hunting was born in Leicestershire. It is now running up to 80 fake profiles of girls on about 20 websites.
The ‘girls’ are usually aged 14. The profiles are often accompanied by pictures of a young-looking female member of the group (any wrinkles are airbrushed out).
However, another of the three men at the meeting, ‘Psycho Buster’ (he refuses to give his real name), rejects the suggestion they are vigilantes, preferring the term ‘private investigators’.

The stocky, 50-year-old father of four, wearing jeans, a jacket and open-neck shirt, is animated in his defence of their tactics. ‘Police act only when there is a victim, but we get there before a crime is committed,’ he says. ‘If they weren’t talking to us, they would be talking to real schoolgirls.
‘I do this because I am a father. The police are too busy stopping people speeding to tackle this problem. We don’t take the law into our hands — we don’t attack these people. We hand our information to police to let them decide what to do.’

Nine people have now been arrested and released on bail after Letzgo Hunting provided police with information about them. They have not been charged.
The group was in the headlines recently when arrests came after the group handed police dossiers of their contact with ten men

But because of the work the group has carried out, a Nottinghamshire man is due to stand trial charged with two counts of raping a child, grooming, false imprisonment and possession of extreme pornographic images.

It is, the vigilantes say, proof that their methods work.
However, the police, the NSPCC and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre have criticised them, claiming they risk jeopardising existing police investigations.


There is also concern that, if their research is flawed, they could target an innocent man or incite others to attack someone they have ‘named and shamed’.
Jamie denies this.
'You would never see any of the legitimate crime agencies doing it this way'
- Leicester Police spokesman
‘Our system is foolproof,’ he says. ‘We are in contact with these men over a number of days and weeks, and always clearly state we are 14.’
He says that they reject offers of help from ‘nutters’ who email their website, which can get thousands of hits a week.
‘We don’t condone violence. This is about information-gathering. We don’t let just anyone join us,’ he adds.
He knows of two other groups posing as teenage girls to target suspected paedophiles. Letzgo Hunting itself has about half a dozen or so people helping with its ‘work’, all of whom are parents from a variety of backgrounds.
As we sit talking, and the clock reaches 5pm, the three men’s mobiles start to twitch into life as the group’s fake profiles go ‘online’ and messages are received.
‘Our profiles are set to “away” — in other words, out of contact — during school hours to make us look legitimate,’ Jamie says. ‘But from now until late on, we receive and send messages.
‘Every parent needs to know that this is what is happening on phones, tablets and computers owned by their children.’

Leicester Police says the actions of such groups can 'seriously' affect the chances of a court conviction (file picture)
Thankfully, many men using these sites perfectly legitimately to meet women report the group’s fake profiles after discovering that the woman they are contacting is only 14. But the conversations with less scrupulous men make chilling reading.
The chat starts innocently enough. In one, a man called Shiv expresses surprise that the girl is on an adult networking website, adding: ‘You look hot for 14.’
Shiv, 33, sends increasingly flattering messages before telling pornographic jokes. Through Jamie, the fake girl says that she is bored at school. Shiv then asks: ‘U want to have sex? I will surely spoil u. Trust me.’
What Shiv then says is too sexually explicit — and sickening — to be published. Suffice to say, moments after suggesting a meeting, he admits being worried about being ‘done’ for under-age sex.
Letzgo Hunting has about half a dozen or so people helping with its 'work', all of whom are parents from a variety of backgrounds (file picture)

‘Psycho Buster’ says many men are accustomed to targeting girls from broken families, who have low self-esteem and are desperate for the slightest compliment. ‘Teenage girls want to be seen as adults, and so join adult networking sites. Paedophiles go to these sites knowing what teenagers talk about, how they talk and what flattery works best,’ he says. ‘They go on to have conversations I wouldn’t have with my wife of many years.’
A few weeks ago, a man called Max, who said he was 27, showed just how determined he was to meet a 14-year-old when he engaged one of the group’s fake girls in conversation. He was also a dab hand at the text-style shorthand children use when typing.

‘I got a very nise hart and wod love to go out wit u an look after u,’ he said, before sending over photographs showing him to be a tall, well-dressed Asian man. ‘Do u smoke babe? Drink? Alcohol? You a virgin babe? I want u 2b my girlfriend, babe. U want to meet? Im free today? Anytink u want I get for u, babe.’
Jamie engineered a meeting with the man in a Leicester playground. Within the hour, a female member of the group was waiting in the park as bait, while the chatroom conversation via mobiles continued with Max to guide him into the park.
The resulting clip, posted on YouTube, shows Max fleeing when he realises he has been set up. Sean, the third member of the team in the hotel lobby, chased him with his camera.
‘It can all happen very quickly, and we have to see who is available from the group to go along,’ Jamie adds. ‘Sean is there to film and also make sure we all stay calm and controlled.
‘The first time I confronted someone face to face, I had no idea how I was going to react. I knew I had to suppress any anger. I’m also mindful for our personal safety.’ (These three men are clearly capable of looking after themselves — Jamie and ‘Psycho Buster’ are trained in martial arts.)
Those men who don’t run away when they are confronted often say they thought the girl was over 18, or simply that they were meeting as innocent friends. Jamie often quotes back explicit passages which the man in question has written, before warning that the files will be passed to police and the video of the encounter posted online.
'Revealing the identity of suspected paedophiles gives the suspect the opportunity to destroy evidence before the police can investigate them'
- Chief Constable Dave Whatton

‘We have been contacted by people who say they’ve been abused by some of those we have named and shamed on our website,’ Jamie says, noting that it was only when Jimmy Savile was named as an abuser that the flood of victims came forward.
The group’s Facebook and Twitter accounts are inundated with messages of support.
‘The public see us doing what they expect the police to do,’ Jamie says, as he replies to another message sent to the fake female profiles on his phone.
They are certainly passionate about what they do — to the point of being fanatical, some might feel. However, they are not trained in law or law enforcement.
They are sometimes gung-ho, branding the people they expose as paedophiles, despite their fleeing without getting a chance to tell their side of the story.
A sense of their attitude can be gleaned from a quote from Genghis Khan, the ruthless Mongol leader, which Letzgo Hunting posted on one of its first videos: ‘I am the punishment of God. If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.’
Leicester Police says the actions of such groups can ‘seriously’ affect the chances of a court conviction. ‘You would never see any of the legitimate crime agencies doing it this way,’ a police spokesman says. ‘Any paedophile investigations we conduct are done in the strict rigour of the law to ensure that we have strong, sound evidence to prosecute offenders.’
Chief Constable Dave Whatton, of the Association of Chief Police Officers, is equally concerned.‘Revealing the identity of suspected paedophiles gives the suspect the opportunity to destroy evidence before the police can investigate them. It also leads to people who have been identified going missing, or it raises concerns for their safety.
‘This can divert significant resources into protecting suspects, which would be better spent in investigating and, where there is evidence, prosecuting them.’
But at a time when there are so many disturbing paedophile cases in the news, it is hardly surprising that parents want to take action to protect children.
Whether the files Letzgo Hunting is amassing can be classed as police evidence will be established when a decision is made over whether to charge the remaining nine men arrested and on police bail.
In the coming months, we will also find out whether the man due to stand trial for rape in Nottingham will be convicted on the strength of the group’s actions.
Success in the courts, rather than on the internet, will surely determine whether this vigilante-style approach can yield genuine results.

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It begs the question then - are the police and other agencies doing enough to stop paedophiles?


A resounding

NO!

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Another story in the mail.

Check out John Carr's comment in blue. Government adviser. Defies belief!!! 'small number'!!
No wonder we have such a massive problem - they're still in denial!

Google rejects new alert system that can stop online paedophiles by telling them their criminal activity can be tracked when they search for certain terms
Bing has announced it would automatically flash up warning messages
Google has refused to take part as it says is own methods are better
Experts however say warnings would deter huge number of offenders
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Google has been accused of turning a blind eye to child sex predators after it refused to sign up to an alert system that could stop paedophiles viewing vile images online.
Search engine Bing, which is owned by Microsoft, announced on Saturday that it would automatically flash up warning messages on the screens of users who type in terms that could lead them to child abuse sites.
The warnings, which experts say would deter half of paedophiles by reminding them that their criminal activity can be tracked, will also be used by Yahoo!.
Google has refused to sign up to an alert system that could stop paedophiles viewing vile images online (file picture)
Google has refused to sign up to an alert system that could stop paedophiles viewing vile images online (file picture)
But Google has infuriated child safety campaigners and experts by refusing to take part, because it believes its own methods in tackling the problem are more effective.
Earlier this year it emerged that Mark Bridger, who abducted and killed five-year-old April Jones in Powys, collected a ‘library’ of sickening images by searching for simple terms on Google and Bing.
Stuart Hazell, who killed 12-year-old Tia Sharp from Croydon, also progressed from online child porn to murder.

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Microsoft’s warning system on Bing would be activated automatically when users type in terms that could lead them to child porn. Typing in the terms, chosen in consultation with the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop), will cause a notice to appear on screen, stating: ‘Warning! Child abuse material is illegal.’ It will also include a link to advice on how to seek counselling.
Experts said the warnings, known as splash pages, would deter a huge number of offenders.

John Carr, a leading government adviser on online child safety, said: ‘The splash pages will not stop determined paedophiles but while they are very dangerous, they are a small number.

Mark Bridger, who abducted and killed five-year-old April Jones in Powys, collected a 'library' of sickening images by searching for simple terms on Google and Bing
Stuart Hazell, who killed 12-year-old Tia Sharp from Croydon, also progressed from online child porn to murder
Mark Bridger (left), who abducted and killed five-year-old April Jones in Powys, collected a 'library' of sickening images by searching for simple terms on Google and Bing. Stuart Hazell (right), who killed 12-year-old Tia Sharp from Croydon, also progressed from online child porn to murder
‘These messages will warn off a larger number of men who are interested in these pages and stop them in their tracks.
‘At the beginning an interest in these images starts off as a mild curiosity but they get drawn in and in some cases it can lead to rape and abuse.
‘These messages show them they are not anonymous. Half would be put off by this.’
Mr Carr said stopping these men at an early stage would also allow police to focus on more extreme offenders.
'Warning would have stopped me'
‘What Bing and Yahoo! are doing is brilliant. If they show it can be done effectively, it will be very difficult for Google to continue to refuse as well,’ he added.
A spokesman for the Lucy Faithful Foundation, which works with child sex abuse victims and offenders, also said the warnings would deter many paedophiles.
A Google spokesman said it was working with experts on ways to deter offenders. ‘We use purpose-built technology and work with child safety organisations to find, remove and report child abuse imagery, because we never want this material to appear in our search results,’ he added.


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The police are worthless. They let jimmy saville roam free for 50 years. I say let these heroes take down paedos.
this comment says it all
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I think whats becoming increasingly clear even to the uninitiated is the government obviously has an agenda to protect paedophiles -doubtlessly because so many in government (cough allegedly) are and were and a complete deficiency in targeted resources!!

If they dont change things soon they will find a lot more of these groups springing up, they can spout propaganda like that as much as they want. The people taking back control of a problem that has spiralled out of control unchecked for too long.
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It is a tricky one.
If you do go to chat rooms with the intention of meeting underage children for sex then you deserve to be exposed for what you are.
If the police were being more proactive and getting results no one would need to become a vigilante.
If these groups confronting men looking to have sex with children were beating the crap out of them then I would have a problem with that, but if it stops someone becoming the victim of abuse then no I haven't.
The police set up sting operations, so why can't the public protect children where the police and government are clearly failing.
I guess the police like to think that if you want law and order then they have a monopoly on such things, and if you want it you can only have it in the way they say so.

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Another theory regarding Jill Dando's murder, and may well be the correct one.
A wealth of information here.

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“Well Eastern Bloc started as a stall in Affleck’s Palace and they were a very anarchistic bunch from Bolton. I think if you talked to all the record shops in Manchester there was a huge rivalry going on that energised it all. Eastern Bloc were arch rivals with Spin Inn, arch rivals with Piccadilly Records. There was a classic Eastern Bloc story when one of the Smiths albums came out. They went and superglued Piccadilly Records’ doors together. It coincided with a Smiths convention in Manchester and somebody was sent out to superglue their doors. They’d ordered about twice the stock in.”


Musically, I think that’s where it propagates. People were going into Afflecks, hanging out in the hairdressers, hearing about all these parties, all of which tended to be more illegal than the last.”
Nobody has mentioned Virgin Records at the Piccadilly end of Lever Street.
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