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Old 24-08-2017, 12:57 PM   #1
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Do we have it?

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Old 24-08-2017, 04:12 PM   #2
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Do we have it?
Some of us do.
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Old 24-08-2017, 05:53 PM   #3
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Everyone has free. It all depends on how much of it you really want to use. Every decision you make in a day is an exercise of your free will.

For instance, we all know that the world is controlled by a small number of fascist tyrants. We outnumber them by what, 1 million to one? We have the free will to take these people down but we do not. Why?

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Old 24-08-2017, 10:08 PM   #4
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Yes.
If you want help you have to give it up though.
When you're in pain and you ask for God to help you out of it
it works but you give up free will.
Maybe that's the point of life here - for us to see how we need to give up
free will in order to be happy because everyone elses free will make us unhappy
as they are mostly evil and that affects us.
If we all used free will to do good we could keep it and not need to give it up.

One big experiment so we can move on to the next level of this game.

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Old 25-08-2017, 02:39 AM   #5
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One big experiment so we can move on to the next level of this game.
What is the next level?
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Old 25-08-2017, 04:26 AM   #6
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Do we have it?
To answer that we'd first have to define what it is, precisely.

Easier said than done.
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Old 25-08-2017, 05:31 AM   #7
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are people willing to accept the responsibility that comes with it is the question...
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Old 25-08-2017, 01:50 PM   #8
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logic decides what we do. Not some otherworldy soul. even the soul is a computer. To suggest otherwise is madness.
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Old 25-08-2017, 02:04 PM   #9
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What is the next level?
I don't think entities on the next level know what is the level after them either - but there is a lot to suggest we keep coming here until we learn something and reunite with our other selves. The way people talk about the afterlife it does sound like a game and we are avatars.
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Old 25-08-2017, 06:47 PM   #10
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We are born with free will ,, but ,, this is rapidly controlled and manipulated by the control system.

The matrix is engineered and controlled by billionaire psycho hybrids ,, that wanna put humans in cold concrete jungles!

Then ,, if they (we/humans) say we're not happy ,, we're told to go to the GP ,, take anti D' s (or any drug available) to compensate for the sad situation ,, Chemical Pharmaceutical control! And ,, The Rich Get Richer!
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logic decides what we do. Not some otherworldy soul. even the soul is a computer. To suggest otherwise is madness.
!, What does 'Logic' decide ,, is it just what we do?

2, What would your 'otherworldly soul' say ,, even if it's a computer!

3, quote ,,

''To suggest otherwise is madness''

Um ,, Why? and ,, How do you know?
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Old 26-08-2017, 12:04 AM   #12
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Never seen it. Saw the sequel Free Willy when it first came out though.
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!, What does 'Logic' decide ,, is it just what we do?

2, What would your 'otherworldly soul' say ,, even if it's a computer!

3, quote ,,

''To suggest otherwise is madness''

Um ,, Why? and ,, How do you know?
Don tell him the truth he will explode!
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Old 26-08-2017, 10:21 AM   #14
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It's far too scary for some people, so they would rather think they are free whilst delegating someone (god is a prime example) than actually having to cope with free will.

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Old 26-08-2017, 11:19 AM   #15
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Technically, no.
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Old 26-08-2017, 05:41 PM   #16
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Technically, no.
Brilliant!







So, do we have free will?

I guess it depends on your standpoint ,, a psychopathic mass murderer would say ''yeh ,, I'm free' to do what I want,, when I choose''

So,,,, those at the top of the pyramid control system are a lot more free to exercise 'free will' ,,, why !!!! MONEY!!!!

So ,, is free will something we all have (yep) ,, then it is controlled and manipulated by the billionaires that control global Governments.
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Old 26-08-2017, 11:51 PM   #18
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Yes.

But on an individual level at differing capacities, different extents in different ways for different reasons. Some more obvious than others. For example a person with physical mobility issues may have less physical free will than someone without the same issues, but they may still have the choice to exert their free will in a different less conventional way and they may be better off for doing so. The same goes for for everyone else of any and every capability and capacity. Those with differing capacities for, imagination, intellect, empathy, sadness and many other factors that make us human that sees us all expressing free will up to a point through our every action, inaction, communication and intention.

Some have people inevitably have more free will than others.

To be where they want.

With who they want.

To be who they want.

To find themselves through experience and exploration of their mind. To explore their emotional state and psyche, their ego. To go where ever their imagination and the limitless possibilities of the universe allow.

All thanks to the ability to make choices.

To make of the world, the universe and their existence what they want of it. For some it's chasing money. For others making a family, being with loved ones, and leaving a legacy. Some people just want to be heroes, and others want to change for the better in any way they can.

Ultimately the free will we are allowed to exercise as individuals and as a species depends on how much tolerance we have for each other and every other life form to enjoy and express free will. I believe that there may always be some form of restriction on how free will is expressed. Restrictions based on both positive and negative factors and reasons that intertwine with the law of this universe, the duality of our existence and the third dimension.

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It's far too scary for some people, so they would rather think they are free whilst delegating someone (god is a prime example) than actually having to cope with free will.
I'd argue that people struggle to cope with facing the burden of responsibility and accepting that they have free will by off-loading on god, "god wills it", "it was meant to be", "it was fate". Stuggle to accept that there are consequences accountable only to themselves but that affect other people occuring as a consequence of their personal choices and actions. Which is why some people attack the idea of god. "If god is real why does X exist?", If god is real why does X happen?". We see this all the time in society. A culture of victimhood and blame, the failure to take accountability and the burden of accepting responsibility of the consequences for ones own actions. It's always someone elses fault. Whether its the neighbour, the friend, the enemy or god or everything other but ones self.

I've often seen people going to lengths to shit on or disprove a religion and voice its contradictions to undermine it, who then go on to use their argument against religion synonymously as one against the plausibility of the existence of god. They find comfort in their easily deducible facts formed and disseminated by mainstream science, media and affiliated institutions. Some people find comfort in interpreting a simpler universe where things just live, fuck and die the end. To delude themselves into thinking that they understand how and why life works for the sake of feeling comfortable within their existence. In my view this just another way to self limit your true potential by trading the potential risks faced on the road of self improvement with the low hanging fruit of a sinfully easy comfort. People who attack the plausibility of god by proxy while in the midst of attacking established religions rarely seem to consider people who've found god no through religious indoctrination but through a path of self discovery.

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I'd argue that people struggle to cope with facing the burden of responsibility and accepting that they have free will by off-loading on god, "god wills it", "it was meant to be", "it was fate". Stuggle to accept that there are consequences accountable only to themselves but that affect other people occuring as a consequence of their personal choices and actions. Which is why some people attack the idea of god. "If god is real why does X exist?", If god is real why does X happen?". We see this all the time in society. A culture of victimhood and blame, the failure to take accountability and the burden of accepting responsibility of the consequences for ones own actions. It's always someone elses fault. Whether its the neighbour, the friend, the enemy or god or everything other but ones self.

I've often seen people going to lengths to shit on or disprove a religion and voice its contradictions to undermine it, who then go on to use their argument against religion synonymously as one against the plausibility of the existence of god. They find comfort in their easily deducible facts formed and disseminated by mainstream science, media and affiliated institutions. Some people find comfort in interpreting a simpler universe where things just live, fuck and die the end. To delude themselves into thinking that they understand how and why life works for the sake of feeling comfortable within their existence. In my view this just another way to self limit your true potential by trading the potential risks faced on the road of self improvement with the low hanging fruit of a sinfully easy comfort. People who attack the plausibility of god by proxy while in the midst of attacking established religions rarely seem to consider people who've found god no through religious indoctrination but through a path of self discovery.
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If somebody does not have free will, then nobody has!
We are all one. Free will is not for the few who believe themselves to be more righteous than others.
Self improvement may only come from humility.

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