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Old 05-09-2013, 07:46 PM   #1
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Default Evolution or Creation? Matter or Spirit?

'How old is the Earth?' by Dr. Don Patton, PhD (Great one to watch the whole way through, if you've time)

'Evolution versus God'

'Ten Reasons Why Evolution Is Wrong...'

'The Ascendency Of The Scientific Dictatorship', Part One, Philip D. Collins

There is still no real fossil evidence. Recent advances in molecular science have revealed the incredible and irreducible complexity of cell structure and programmed information, that rules out evolutionary progression.

In cell mutations, which evolutionists often cite as evidence for their position, studied genetic information is always observed to be lost. Completely the opposite of evolution, if anything.

This is in addition to archaeological finds that fly right in the face of the theory... and not even taking into account the dynamics of consciousness and other matters of quantum physics. It's absurd.

Unfortunately, under the Beast, you don't get anywhere unless you toe the party line. Which means lies. A bunch of egoistic liars, 'experts', appeals to authority, assumptions, dogma, and a population completely and totally befuddled as to the nature of reality, both outwardly and inwardly.

Honesty is the best policy. When we are honest with ourselves, and purge our mind of assumptions, slavish dogmatism, and automated deference and obeisance towards authority figures, the myriad deceptions are wholly visible. As is the basic truth. Stick with what you know, FOR CERTAIN. Being is the only true knowing. All else is subjective and relative, precisely because it is OUTSIDE OF YOURSELF.

Ask for proof. Think. Scrutinise. Don't allow your mind to jump to assumptions and premature conclusions.

Please.

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Old 05-09-2013, 08:30 PM   #2
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Good call.
Evolution is a crock.
You breed chickens you get chickens.
Fossils... easy..
Fossils were all created on Day five* and then buried at different depths just to wind up Richard Dawkins.

* Six days to create everything with Sunday as a statutory rest day off ( God being in the union and all).
4004 BC sometime around April.
That's as good a theory as any other, it has historical precedent and no one can disprove it as they weren't around at the time.
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:31 PM   #3
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created by aliens left to evolve...


or peel, chop and saute, then leave to simmer for a few hours...
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:36 PM   #4
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Good call.
Evolution is a crock.
You breed chickens you get chickens.
Fossils... easy..
Fossils were all created on Day five* and then buried at different depths just to wind up Richard Dawkins.

* Six days to create everything with Sunday as a statutory rest day off ( God being in the union and all).
4004 BC sometime around April.
That's as good a theory as any other, it has historical precedent and no one can disprove it as they weren't around at the time.
The main point was, that evolution requires just as much faith as Intelligent Design, if not more so.

How anybody can look at the earth, and not see the inherent order of the mathematical constants and factors that are miraculously conducive to life, and abjectly deny the possibility of a higher hand, is beyond me.

First vid pretty much covers the geological side of things.
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:39 PM   #5
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That doesn't explain the unicorns Derek.
( lousy timekeepers and even worse swimmers).
Those guys missed the Ark.
Ya see any unicorns around today?
No.
I rest my case.
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http://thespawnofthesphinx.com/spawn...sphinx_002.htm

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All denominations of Liberal Fascism are based on Vladimir Lenin’s theology of Dialectical Materialism, which was first elaborated in his 1908 thesis, Materialism and Empiriocriticism.

While some religions have rejected the idea of a Personal God, the theology of Dialectical Materialism goes further and completely rejects the concept of spirituality – it regards love, courage and honor as forms of insanity resulting from malfunctions within our biological computers.

The philosophy of Dialectical Materialism challenges the philosophy of Spiritual Idealism and the ideological basis for Western Civilization. Dialectical materialism holds that spiritual idealism is essentially a fallacy – specifically a Pathetic Fallacy – which commits the error of attributing human qualities to an inanimate object (the human brain). In the theology of dialectical materialism, matter is the total explanation for space, nature, man, psychic consciousness, human intelligence, society, history and every other aspect of existence. Matter is the beginning and ending of all reality.

Lenin assigned the task of knowing all Truth to Science – specifically the science of his day. At the beginning of the twentieth century, Lenin concluded that nineteenth century science had developed a comprehensive understanding of all aspects of matter and now understood everything about everything. To the neo-Marxist, Science (often used as a code word for the theology of dialectical materialism) has even demonstrated the material foundations of the human mind. We as humans are nothing more than atoms and molecules. Our self-conception is an illusion generated by the neurons firing in our heads.
Cognitive psychologist Steven Pinker writes, "Every aspect of our mental lives depends entirely on physiological events in the tissues of the brain." Thus, the pathetic fallacy of the spiritual idealist results in a delusional endowment of inanimate matter with nonexistent spiritual characteristics. Biologist Francis Crick explains this view of human nature and free will. "It seems free to you, but it's the result of things you are not aware of." When a functioning biological unit says, "I exist," it is simply repeating nonsense communicated to it by another biological unit. The brain is an inanimate object – an organic adding machine – and is no more capable of conscious thought than a bowl of rice.

Lenin’s work was not a true philosophy, or in any way comparable to the works of Aristotle or Aquinas. It was the inception of a single worldview based on the nineteenth century theories of Helmholtz, Darwin, Marx, Labriola and Kautsky. After the 1917 October Revolution, the followers of Lenin became divided between "dialecticians" (Deborin) and "mechanists" (Bukharin). In 1931, shortly after he became Supreme Dictator, Joseph Stalin settled the theological dispute by publishing a decree which identified dialectical materialism as pertaining solely to Marxism-Leninism. He codified this in his 1938 thesis on the "laws of dialectics” entitled, Dialectical and Historical Materialism.

In 1930, when Max Horkheimer became the director for the Institute for Social Research (Institut für Sozialforschung) of the University of Frankfurt am Main in Germany, he took it upon himself to put Stalin’s theology of dialectical materialism onto a firmer intellectual basis. This was a controversial move at the time – it was like Martin Luther saying he knew more about the Bible than the Pope.
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Rewritten and honed by the Frankfurt School, the theology of dialectical materialism went on to form the basis of several organized religious movements (denominations of Liberal Fascism – Marxism, Communism, National Socialism, State Capitalism, Feminism, Environmentalism, Left Wing Nationalism, Secular Humanism, etc.) that took root over the course of the twentieth century and gradually undermined spiritual idealism and the foundations of Western Civilization.

· The Nature of God: There is no god but Man himself, and Marx is his prophet. (Satanic Variant: There is no part of us that is not of the gods.)

· The Nature of Heaven: Heaven is an earthly paradise; a future Communist Utopia where all men and women will live as equals in small, isolated, static and primitive communities that are in harmony with the environment. It is described in John Lennon’s song, Imagine.

· Salvation: Man can only bring about Heaven on Earth through a collective and violent effort that takes place in two steps: (1) establish a totalitarian and socialist government that viciously enforces human equality and ecological balance and (2) use this New World Order to wipe out all organized religions (especially Christianity and Judaism) and private enterprise.

· Morality: Morality is relative. There are no absolute rules. There is no such thing as grace. There is no such thing as guilt. Ethical actions are limited to political activism and moral behavior is narrowly defined as one’s revolutionary (missionary) zeal in spreading the religion.

· Truth: Radical Materialism is the only Reality, and “Settled Science” (meaning Liberal Fascism and its underlying theology of Dialectical Materialism) is the only Truth. All other truths are opiates of the people. Elitist “peer reviews” enforce orthodoxy and replace the open debate and critical thought that characterized Greek Philosophical Schools and Renaissance Universities. Scientific theories that challenge orthodoxy are branded as “pseudoscience” and the heretical scientists who preach them are publicly ridiculed and deprived of government funding.

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why can't there be both

as someone said created first left to evolve
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That doesn't explain the unicorns Derek.
( lousy timekeepers and even worse swimmers).
Those guys missed the Ark.
Ya see any unicorns around today?
No.
I rest my case.
you have just opened a whole new can of worms... wait til the fairies hear you left them out!
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why can't there be both

as someone said created first left to evolve
The 'scientific' establishment denies Intelligent Design completely, with a rabid fanaticism that is quite revealing.

Did you watch the second vid? From the outset, you have a PhD telling us straight, that God doesn't exist. How could he possibly profess to know that?

Pretty much everyone Comfort asks, states that evolution is SCIENTIFIC FACT, despite the lack of any real evidence.

Just look and listen to those young students. They sound like mindless clones with no ability to critically analyse what they are fed by their professors. The professors themselves are not particularly erudite or impressive in their refutations, considering the status and authority that they hold.

It seems that contemporary academia is just a memory test. That was certainly my experience.

It's sad, wrong, and dangerous, even.

And we're the dogmatists?

Sorry, no go.

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The 'scientific' establishment denies Intelligent Design completely, with a rabid fanaticism that is quite revealing.

Did you watch the second vid? From the outset, you have a PhD telling us straight, that God doesn't exist. How could he possibly profess to know that?

Pretty much everyone Comfort asks, states that evolution is SCIENTIFIC FACT, despite the lack of evidence.

Just look and listen to those young students. They sound like clones with no ability to critically analyse what they are fed by their professors. The professors themselves are not particularly erudite or impressive in their refutations, considering the status and authority that they hold.

It's sad, wrong, and dangerous, even.

And we're the dogmatists?

Sorry, no go.
who are you to judge? these people are on a path in their journey where they haven't realized god.

I was like this too. didn't believe in a creator didn't care about any of it. then my awakening started, then more awareness and I found my answers by returning to god.

From my experience this whole reality was designed for me to discover him again. Maybe they are just where they are and they will attract people on a similar point and one day they will realize.
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who are you to judge? these people are on a path in their journey where they haven't realized god.

I was like this too. didn't believe in a creator didn't care about any of it. then my awakening started, then more awareness and I found my answers by returning to god.

From my experience this whole reality was designed for me to discover him again. Maybe they are just where they are and they will attract people on a similar point and one day they will realize.
And that these people control education doesn't bother you at all?

That you either conform with lies, or have no future, is not of any consequence?

Where did morality go? What is happening to people?
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The 'scientific' establishment denies Intelligent Design completely, with a rabid fanaticism that is quite revealing.

Did you watch the second vid? From the outset, you have a PhD telling us straight, that God doesn't exist. How could he possibly profess to know that?

Pretty much everyone Comfort asks, states that evolution is SCIENTIFIC FACT, despite the lack of any real evidence.

Just look and listen to those young students. They sound like mindless clones with no ability to critically analyse what they are fed by their professors. The professors themselves are not particularly erudite or impressive in their refutations, considering the status and authority that they hold.

It seems that contemporary academia is just a memory test. That was certainly my experience.

It's sad, wrong, and dangerous, even.

And we're the dogmatists?

Sorry, no go.
You'd be as likely to find Intelligent Design or Straight Creation Narrative Faculty in most Humanities departments in the UK as you'll find Evolution boosters.
It's the Science n Techie Jocks who lean towards Evolution tales.
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And that these people control education doesn't bother you at all?

That you either conform with lies, or have no future, is not of any consequence?

Where did morality go? What is happening to people?
it has always been like this. it is part of the design to wake you up.

eventually people stop believing the lies and thinking for themselves.

this is the game.

think back to sept 2011, everyone was ready to go to war. that same sentiment doesn't exist today. and people question the gov story.
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You'd be as likely to find Intelligent Design or Straight Creation Narrative Faculty in most Humanities departments in the UK as you'll find Evolution boosters.
It's the Science n Techie Jocks who lean towards Evolution tales.
Supposedly, what is taught as 'science', is knowledge that is reached through the scientific method.

'Science' carries a weight of authority, accordingly.

When people of these fields start assuming, making massive jumps in reasoning, and outright lying to people, it is especially damaging, because obviously, the average man is bound to believe that the proclamations of the scientific community have a basis in the truth of the scientific method.

But increasingly, they don't.

This is a rather big problem, at least to me.
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Evolution tends to be taught as a theory in the UK in schools.
'The' theory for sure but a theory nevertheless
It has never been the sticking point that it perhaps has been in the USA.
People tend not to give much of a feck and believe as they choose.
Our National Curriculum nods towards that fact and the only students best advised to parrot the Evolution party line are those wishing to progress onto life science and biology degrees.
Nursing and Med school students tend towards Intelligent Design on the whole but it 's simply not an issue who believes what in that respect as it isn't studied at Med or Nursing school.
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Knowing the correct terms and using those accurately can be quite important in some subject areas.
Air Ring and Airing for example.
If Mr Smith is prescribed an Air ring to ease his piles it's not at all useful to him if nurse misunderstands the Doc and takes Mr Smith out for a walk in the rain and fresh air instead.
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The genetic code that all life is made of is actually a mathematical code with numerical patterns that cannot possibly have come about by chance. Something that complex can only have been designed by intent, there is also very likely some hidden message in the data stored in DNA that we have not discovered yet, although some people are getting pretty close.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...19103513000791

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Here we show that the terrestrial code displays a thorough precision-type orderliness matching the criteria to be considered an informational signal. Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of the same symbolic language. Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing rather than of stochastic processes (the null hypothesis that they are due to chance coupled with presumable evolutionary pathways is rejected with P-value < 10–13)
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The genetic code that all life is made of is actually a mathematical code with numerical patterns that cannot possibly have come about by chance. Something that complex can only have been designed by intent, there is also very likely some hidden message in the data stored in DNA that we have not discovered yet, although some people are getting pretty close.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...19103513000791
Very interesting, thanks.
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