Waking up to the Subjective Truth

[white light]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

your actions will produce results. Those results can enrich society or they can poison it. Sometimes actions people think will enrich society will actually poison it; the challenge therefore is to distinguish which actions will be positive and which will not

There was an article recently in the papers that claimed that all cultures had seven rules they abided by:

Everyone everywhere shares seven universal moral rules, Oxford University finds
By Sarah Knapton, Science Editor
8 February 2019 • 5:52pm

All societies are held together by seven universal moral rules, which include deferring to superiors and respecting the property of others, Oxford University has concluded.

Although many western cultures are moving towards more liberal, less hierarchical organisations, the new research suggests that traditional power structures and basic values of charity and fraternity are the cornerstones of successful societies.

The huge study of 60 different cultures around the world found that all communities operate under seven basic moral codes.

Those universal rules are: help your family, help your group, return favours, be brave, defer to superiors, divide resources fairly and respect the property of others
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...rd-university/

What quantifies / qualifies as "superior"? By what criteria is it judged, and by whom? How objective is it?

What models of society are they comparing it against to make these assessments?

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[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by white light

What quantifies / qualifies as "superior"? By what criteria is it judged, and by whom? How objective is it?

What models of society are they comparing it against to make these assessments

I can't answer those questions, i don't have the answers to them

I also felt a pang of discomfort at the word 'superior'

if i had to have a guess though i reckon that what they are talking about is a deference to older members of the tribe. What this allows the young to get is the perspective of experience

if we look at our own society we can see a cultural marxist attempt to demonise the older generation and to drive a wedge between the generations

We saw a lot of this in the wake of the brexit vote where the goldman sachs (rothschild cabal) funded leave campaign abusively blamed the older generation for brexit while calling them all kinds of nasty names but the older generation are the ones who actually knew a time before membership in the EU so their perspective is an important one on this issue

What this then does is breakdown dialogue and a possiblity of reproachment and greater mutual understanding

But the thing to understand is that the rothschild cabal are not looking for compromise or understanding. They are looking to corral, cheat, bully, threaten, coerce, fear monger and harangue society into their technocratic gulag vision of society

[white light]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

I can't answer those questions, i don't have the answers to them

I also felt a pang of discomfort at the word 'superior'

if i had to have a guess though i reckon that what they are talking about is a deference to older members of the tribe. What this allows the young to get is the perspective of experience

if we look at our own society we can see a cultural marxist attempt to demonise the older generation and to drive a wedge between the generations

We saw a lot of this in the wake of the brexit vote where the goldman sachs (rothschild cabal) funded leave campaign abusively blamed the older generation for brexit while calling them all kinds of nasty names but the older generation are the ones who actually knew a time before membership in the EU so their perspective is an important one on this issue

What this then does is breakdown dialogue and a possiblity of reproachment and greater mutual understanding

But the thing to understand is that the rothschild cabal are not looking for compromise or understanding. They are looking to corral, cheat, bully, threaten, coerce, fear monger and harangue society into their technocratic gulag vision of society

Well, it'd have to be highly subjective for me to interpret your earlier unwarranted threat of using extreme force against me as a friendly neighbourhood doffing of the cap to someone with a memory long enough to remember Britain before it's entry into the EU. But I'll try.

Still, I hope you realise that your interpretation of what is suggested by "superior" is subjective. What could have been meant by "superior" is people in positions of authority in society.

As such the Oxford "study" you've linked to could be a prime example of how "they" corral, cheat, bully, threaten, coerce, fear monger and harangue society into their gulag vision of society.

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by white light

Well, it'd have to be highly subjective for me to interpret your earlier unwarranted threat of using extreme force against me as a friendly neighbourhood doffing of the cap to someone with a memory long enough to remember Britain before it's entry into the EU. But I'll try.

if you have no problem with a grown adult fucking your young child then that's your aberration

Originally Posted by white light

Still, I hope you realise that your interpretation of what is suggested by "superior" is subjective. What could have been meant by "superior" is people in positions of authority in society.

As such the Oxford "study" you've linked to could be a prime example of how "they" corral, cheat, bully, threaten, coerce, fear monger and harangue society into their gulag vision of society.

can you tell me which of the 7 values you are opposed to?

[white light]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

if you have no problem with a grown adult fucking your young child then that's your aberration

You appear to have developed a subjective view that I'd have no problem with that. Perhaps you should be more objective. Especially if your subjective view results in you threatening people with violence on absolutely unfounded grounds.

can you tell me which of the 7 values you are opposed to?

I thought I made that clear. I only mentioned one of them. It would be outrageously subjective of you to infer that it wasn't that of which I spoke.

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by white light

You appear to have developed a subjective view that I'd have no problem with that. Perhaps you should be more objective. Especially if your subjective view results in you threatening people with violence on absolutely unfounded grounds.

there's a knock at your front door....you go to answer it

As you open the door a stranger pushes their way into your home saying they are going to fuck your child. They start heading up the stairs

what do you?

Originally Posted by white light

I thought I made that clear. I only mentioned one of them. It would be outrageously subjective of you to infer that it wasn't that of which I spoke.

but you don't even know what it is that they mean in that example

it could be that they have spoken to many tribes and found that the tribes have councils of elders that are consulted on important issues

would you have a problem with that?

[white light]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

there's a knock at your front door....you go to answer it

As you open the door a stranger pushes their way into your home saying they are going to fuck your child. They start heading up the stairs

what do you?



but you don't even know what it is that they mean in that example

it could be that they have spoken to many tribes and found that the tribes have councils of elders that are consulted on important issues

would you have a problem with that?

I never said that I did know what they meant in that example. You have stated that you do not know either.

As for the other. Give it a rest.

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by white light

I never said that I did know what they meant in that example. You have stated that you do not know either.

As for the other. Give it a rest.

no you have accused me of something so lets play this out

are you going to just stand there as this stranger pushes past you and goes to assault your family?

what kind of person are you?

you could stand there and think of what a bleeding heart liberal might do. They might theorise that the person is themself just a victim of their own subjective desires. Are you going to just stand there?

[white light]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

no you have accused me of something so lets play this out

are you going to just stand there as this stranger pushes past you and goes to assault your family?

what kind of person are you?

you could stand there and think of what a bleeding heart liberal might do. They might theorise that the person is themself just a victim of their own subjective desires. Are you going to just stand there?

What have I accused you of?

I'll accuse you now though. You are coercing, haranguing and threatening me. Are you so blind as to not see the traits in yourself that you berate in others?

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by white light

What have I accused you of?

I'll accuse you now though. You are coercing, haranguing and threatening me. Are you so blind as to not see the traits in yourself that you berate in others?

admit it

you would use extreme violence to protect your family

[white light]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

admit it

you would use extreme violence to protect your family

First you say that I'd let anyone fuck my hypothetical toddler, now you are saying that I'd use extreme violence to stop that from happening.

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by white light

First you say that I'd let anyone fuck my hypothetical toddler, now you are saying that I'd use extreme violence to stop that from happening.

well which is it?

tell us. Clear up the confusion. Surely its not difficult for you to do...

Now as for 'threats' here is exactly what was said:

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

what you rothschild commies want to do is argue that morality is subjective and that actually it is just your subjective opinion that it is ok to fuck kids and that because opinion is subjective your view is just as valid as everyone elses

well some may have an opinion that it is ok to use extreme force to prevent you from doing that

so tell us where you stand on this issue

[white light]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

well which is it?

tell us. Clear up the confusion. Surely its not difficult for you to do...

Now as for 'threats' here is exactly what was said:



so tell us where you stand on this issue

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by white light

lol

you can't do it

your need to protect the narrative overrides your ability to be open and honest

[white light]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

lol

you can't do it

your need to protect the narrative overrides your ability to be open and honest

Where I stand is that you appear to be completely f'-n' insane. I'm not gonna answer the hypothetical ramblings of a madman who is seeking to manipulate the discourse to his own insane ends.

I'd be mad to do so. So I won't.

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by white light

Where I stand is that you appear to be completely f'-n' insane. I'm not gonna answer the hypothetical ramblings of a madman who is seeking to manipulate the discourse to his own insane ends.

I'd be mad to do so. So I won't.

yeah so you are unwilling to acknowledge any common ground with me

i offer a scenario where you could protect your family from harm because it would be common ground that you share with me

But you spit in my face

this is because you will not seek any reproachment. In your mind you have already dehumanised me and you do not want to find any common ground as it would undermine that

How can you hate me if you recognise yourself in me?

[white light]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

yeah so you are unwilling to acknowledge any common ground with me

i offer a scenario where you could protect your family from harm because it would be common ground that you share with me

But you spit in my face

this is because you will not seek any reproachment. In your mind you have already dehumanised me and you do not want to find any common ground as it would undermine that

How can you hate me if you recognise yourself in me?

You've arrived at this insanely subjective viewpoint all by yourself and with no help from me. Well done.

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by white light

You've arrived at this insanely subjective viewpoint all by yourself and with no help from me. Well done.

lets find that common ground

lets find some mutual understanding

lets stand together in our shared human condition

lets play this it out and heal the hurt between us...

the stranger shoves you against the wall. They reassert that they are going to attack your family

they say they have a knife!

what are you going to do?

[white light]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

lets find that common ground

lets find some mutual understanding

hands across the ocean!

lets stand together in our shared human condition

lets play this it out and heal the hurt between us...

the stranger shoves you against the wall. They reassert that they are going to attack your family

they say they have a knife!

what are you going to do?

Is that stranger you?

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by white light

Is that stranger you?

how could it be when i already told you that i am opposed to the people that want to justify their right to do that?

I'm the guy on the jury who is going to see you released for self-defence

so can you find that common ground and agree you would protect your family?

last try here....lets see if you can do it...