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Old 17-05-2013, 05:09 PM   #21
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You are completely overlooking the British Establishment ... you still haven't read the Savile thread ... have you?
haha ... not even close.
saville and his cronies were a mere handful.
the RCC has been employing pedophile priests for 2000 years.
it is endemic in the institution, and right to the top ...ratzinger's resignation is a dead give away.
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Old 18-05-2013, 04:08 AM   #22
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Concordats human rights separation of church and state

A concordat is a legal agreement between a country and the Vatican. It can set up a theological fiefdom where certain human rights do not apply—and where they can never again be reintroduced without the consent of the Church. This is why concordats represent a fundamental threat to both democracy and human rights. The Vatican finds many uses for its concordats: in May 2012 the Italian bishops said that their concordat excused them from having to report to the police suspected cases of child abuse by fellow priests. Concordat Watch is an online resource containing dozens of concordat translations, (most appearing in English for the first time), as well as related documents, general background articles and expert commentary.

What are concordats? Concordats are international treaties with the Vatican that may range from granting little more than diplomatic recognition to a legally binding commitment to observe key aspects of Vatican doctrine and to have taxpayers subsidise the Church. Because the state may be put under pressure to enforce these Vatican policies, Concordat Watch also includes material on church-state separation, (political, but not religious secularism). As Bishop Charles Scicluna has said, “Sacred power, with all its trappings, is probably one of the most seductive things in the world ...”


What’s the harm?


1. Once in place, concordats are removed from democratic control forever

Laws can be changed by parliaments, but concordats can’t. That's because they’re supposed to be international treaties, that is, agreements between a real country and the Holy See (the Vatican).
Even in democracies there is only a brief period, when the legislature has any say over a concordat. That is the time between when the treaty text is revealed and when the ratification vote takes place. This can sometimes be only a matter of days, which does not allow proper legal scrutiny of a very complicated document. A number of other legislative tricks may be used to help get the concordat through: sixteen of these are revealed here. Once the concordat is ratified it is set in stone. That's because treaties cannot be changed unilaterally. Any alteration requires the consent of the Vatican.
And in a dictorship it's still worse. The concordat may be rubber-stamped by the military junta or even go through with no ratification at all, for the signature of the dictator or his foreign minister is enough. Yet when the dictator is toppled, his concordat remains. Read more




2. Concordats can ensure a never-ending transfer of state funds to the Church
Sometimes the money transfer is justified as compensation for church property nationalised as long as 200 years ago. Concordats can lock in inflation-adjusted payments that cannot be ended unless the Vatican agrees.
Concordats often shift funds to the church by requiring that Catholic schools, hospitals and other agencies must be paid for by the state. This gives the Church the say over what is taught and what services are offered, without having to pay the tab. A concordat can also help Church agencies get tax exemptions, even for Church-run commercial enterprises. And, despite all the state money flowing in, a concordat can ensure that the finances of the Church are kept secret. Read more


3. Concordats can infringe on human rights
By giving advantages to one religious group, concordats can violate the requirement that all citizens and all religions be treated equally. Occasionally concordats have outlawed divorce, even for non-Catholics. Concordats can also anchor other parts of Canon (or church) Law by stipulating that this is to be used within Church institutions. However, since these also include social agencies, many non-clerics and even non-Catholics may find themselves legally obliged to obey Church rules. Read more


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It is clear that the Roman Catholic Church is a state that has made concordats which not only brings them great wealth and prestige, but the right to not report child abuse.


What the Vatican has also done when one of it's clergy gets found out or is accused they then shift the abuser to another parish or to another country if needs be.


No other country in the world could do that, such is the power of the Roman catholic church.




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Old 19-05-2013, 10:13 PM   #23
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The Catholic church has become one of the biggest paedophile rings in the world.
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Old 20-05-2013, 05:06 AM   #24
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Defiant Cardinal George Pell says sex abuse royal commission will 'separate fact from fiction'



CARDINAL George Pell says priests who hear confessions from colleagues who commit child sex abuse should remain bound by the Seal of Confession.


Addressing the media in Sydney in relation to the royal commission into child sex abuse, Cardinal Pell explained church protocol for priests who confess to child sex abuse to another priest.


"If that is done outside the confessional (it can be passed on)," he said.
"(But) the Seal of Confession is inviolable."


He said priests should avoid hearing confession from colleagues suspected of committing child sex abuse to avoid being bound by the Seal of Confession.


"If the priest knows beforehand about such a situation, the priest should refuse to hear the confession," said Cardinal Pell.


"That would be my advice, and I would never hear the confession of a priest who is suspected of such a thing."


His remarks prompted an emotional response from NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell in the NSW Parliament this afternoon.


Mr O'Farrell said he doesn't understand how Catholic priests who admit to paedophilia in confession aren't reported to police.


Cardinal Pell defended the church’s handling of complaints in a defiant press conference in Sydney, saying the church had been the subject of “general smears” in the media.


"What is important for the press and the public to realise is that because there is a persistent press campaign against the Catholic Church's adequacies and inadequacies in this area, that does not necessarily represent the percentage of the problem that we offer," he said.


Allegations that the church had failed to deal with abusers and that it was “inefficient, covering up, that we are moving people around” were false, he said.


“It’s not the case,” Cardinal Pell said.

“It’s demonstrably not the case.”


He denied ever being involved in a case where victims were offered money so they wouldn't go through the courts.


Cardinal Pell, who was Archbishop of Melbourne before his current post as Archbishop of Sydney, said the church had shown it was committed to addressing allegations of sexual abuse by clergy through its internal complaints system, dubbed the Melbourne Response, and its independent commissioner.


Church protocol for dealing with contemporary allegations of child sex abuse were up to scratch, Cardinal Pell said.


He also denied the Catholic Church knowingly transferred priests suspected of child sex abuse to other parishes.




He said it was completely prohibited to shift priests who had been charged.
"It is completely prohibited to shift priests who have been charged, to shift them around," he said.


"If and where that has been done, that is against the protocols."
Cardinal Pell said his comments on the weekend that a royal commission wasn't needed had been taken out of context.


"I remain unconvinced there was a need for a royal commission exclusively for the Catholic Church," he said.


He explained as a "priestly act of solidarity" his 1993 decision to accompany in court Ballarat priest Father Gerald Ridsdale, who was subsequently jailed for child sex offences.


"In retrospect I didn't realise then what a wrong impression that would give to the victims," he said.




http://www.news.com.au/national-news...-1226515895912


Hear no evil, speak no evil, is the motto of the Catholic church


Get this, Cardinal Pell states that Priests aren't moved around when they have be found to have abused Children....


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Old 20-05-2013, 05:14 AM   #25
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Calls for paedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale to face child sex abuse royal commission.





ONE of Australia's worst paedophiles - Catholic priest Gerald Ridsdale - could be freed in months.

And he is being urged to reveal how the church helped cover up his illegal activities.


The child sex offender, who molested at least 40 children over three decades, is eligible for parole in June.


His victims say he should give evidence to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.


"If he started to talk about what he knew, the Catholic Church house of cards would come tumbling down," victim Stephen Woods said.


Evidence of a church cover-up emerged at Ridsdale's 1994 plea hearing. Witnesses explained how he was moved from one parish to another when claims of abuse were raised.


Ridsdale was one of the priests who preyed on children at Ballarat's St Alipius school.


The Herald Sun can reveal another of those men, Brother Edward Dowlan, is the subject of a police investigation into up to 12 more abuse complaints.


He was jailed for 6 1/2 years in 1996 for abusing 11 children, and is believed to be living in suburban Melbourne.


http://www.news.com.au/national-news...-1226600162070


No they dont move priest around, do they Cardinal Pell?




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Old 20-05-2013, 06:13 AM   #26
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Catholic Church 'like outlaw bikie gangs'




BARRISTER Bryan Keon-Cohen has likened the Catholic Church to outlaw motorcycle gangs, drug cartels and people-smugglers over its treatment of child-abuse victims.
Speaking at a legal conference yesterday, Dr Keon-Cohen, president of abuse organisation Commission of Inquiry Now, said the church had put the welfare of priests above concern for child rape victims, treated abuse as a sin rather than a crime, and its protocols for dealing with abuse were insufficient and objectionable.


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Child-sex abuse inquiry hits home as Anglican bishop quits

  • by: Stephen Fitzpatrick, Mitchell Nadin
  • From: The Australian
  • May 18, 2013 12:00AM


THE royal commission into child-sex abuse has claimed its first significant scalp, with the sudden resignation yesterday of the Anglican bishop of Grafton in NSW.



Bishop Keith Slater, who had headed the Grafton diocese since 2003, said investigations undertaken to support the national inquiry had revealed he failed to deal properly with decades-old abuse cases at a children's home in Lismore in northern NSW..


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226645649476


Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Thats the motto of Christian Churches.



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The Catholic church has become one of the biggest paedophile rings in the world.

They have and they have had years of practice at it since the formation of the Vatican.

Imagine that? Years of coverups and destroyed childhoods. Makes me sick to the stomach.
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Old 30-06-2013, 09:04 AM   #29
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NSW Education Department covers up teacher’s alleged 18-year child sex abuse spree
http://www.independentaustralia.net/...x-abuse-spree/

NSW police protects alleged Tweed Heads paedophile ring
http://www.independentaustralia.net/...edophile-ring/

Alleged 18-year spree of sexual abuse at Tweed Shire schools
http://www.mydailynews.com.au/news/a...abuse/1926748/
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Old 30-06-2013, 04:31 PM   #30
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The Catholic church has become one of the biggest paedophile rings in the world.
yes they have ... and have hidden their own atrocities for centuries.
in the last century,they just moved offending priests to other parishes.
the RCC is corrupt and evil.
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NSW Education Department covers up teacher’s alleged 18-year child sex abuse spree
http://www.independentaustralia.net/...x-abuse-spree/

NSW police protects alleged Tweed Heads paedophile ring
http://www.independentaustralia.net/...edophile-ring/

Alleged 18-year spree of sexual abuse at Tweed Shire schools
http://www.mydailynews.com.au/news/a...abuse/1926748/

Thanks for these links kate gardiner.
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From the very beginning mate. Those that formed the RRC didn't do so for the benefit of Christ, far from it.

Suffer the little children?





Interesting how there are two versions, maybe some of these Priest took the term "Suffer the little children" literally.


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Christ is their nemesis and they are conscious of it in those exact terms.
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The Weekend Australian June 22-23 contains an article about a Victorian Detective Denis Ryan (now aged 81) who tried to investigate a paedophile priest Monsignor John Day.

The by-line says, ' Denis Ryan never imagined the dark forces that would stand in his way....

Then this quote... 'I had a raving child sex offender and no one seemed to give two hoots.'

The priest died in 1978, having been moved from one parish to another and was never charged with any offences.
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