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Old 07-02-2013, 08:40 PM   #21
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Cameron said that having a smart meter, would be optional but don't be surprised, if they just roll them out anyway. Bet they won't take any notice of what we say, with our submissions.

Don't forget the EU wants us, to have smart meters in our homes by 2020.

No way will I be having one. Make sure you all refuse. Say NO to smart meters.

http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/

http://stopsmartmeters.org/
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:18 PM   #22
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Smart Meter Activist Tells All

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Old 07-02-2013, 09:31 PM   #23
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If u r outside the USA try to get yr hands on whatever weapons can find. In UK shotguns and .22 rifles are still legal - its not great but its better than nothing; its enough to make them think twice b4 entering yr home.

You can use BB shot in a shotgun. Its like one large ball rather than lots of small shot iirc.
U can get a shotgun for about $ US 150.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:24 PM   #24
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Remember the only form of communication that's truly secure is using pen n paper face to face. Not even talking in person is secure afaia.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:25 PM   #25
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Just Say No to Smart Meters with Activist Deborah Tavares

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Old 07-02-2013, 10:47 PM   #26
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I had a gentleman from Scottish Power in my home today doing a meter inspection. During the course of our conversation he brought up the topic of smart meters saying that they were going to start being introduced within about a year or so, taking the next decade to convert all homes (presumably he meant all Scottish homes but I would guess the UK as whole would be on a similar timetable). When I mentioned the health effects that have been reported in the US he fiercely automatically attacked such claims and he wasn't even open to discussion on the matter. I didn't even bring up the topic of the bluetooth stuck in his ear the entire time he was here.
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Old 08-02-2013, 12:27 AM   #27
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1) Change providers. If they're not going to acknowledge the dangers, take your business elsewhere.

2) Keep gas and electricity with separate suppliers. They're trying to tempt everyone to consolidate everything with one company. This just makes it easier for them to implement the whole smart-meter technology.
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Old 08-02-2013, 09:18 AM   #28
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the link to make a complaint still works.

i think more people can have input still.
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:43 AM   #29
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the link to make a complaint still works.
i think more people can have input still.
Here is my complaint "form" which has the advantage of two "inputs":
I hope y'all find it in good taste and form.

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Old 08-02-2013, 04:05 PM   #30
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"Smart" Meters exposed Part 1

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maybe cell phones were invented and made available exactly bcoz they ARE so bad 4 u.
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:10 PM   #31
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Here is my complaint "form" which has the advantage of two "inputs":
I hope y'all find it in good taste and form.

yip. i don't have shite meter...i mean dumb...i mean smart smeter.

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Old 08-02-2013, 10:15 PM   #32
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maybe cell phones were invented and made available exactly bcoz they ARE so bad 4 u.
yes, and yes "they" would be seeking centralized control. becuase these devices are disguised mass genocide weapons, and you can now either control billions of minds and bodies through the scalar wave tech engineering, or cause slow death, or set the devices off at once to just kill people off.

mark of the beast. that beast doesn't just deny, it kills.

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Old 09-02-2013, 07:55 PM   #34
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Could these meters be bypassed altogether? a small alteration to the pipework before and after the meter would do the trick.
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Old 09-02-2013, 09:42 PM   #35
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Could these meters be bypassed altogether? a small alteration to the pipework before and after the meter would do the trick.
Not unless you want to kill yourself. The power has to be turned off by, the Distribution Network Operator.

The other problem is if you tamper with the main power, they could cut you off or you could end up with a very big bill. It's not that simple but if things got desperate, that may be the only way.

See here for your Distribution Network Operator
http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Elect...tionCompanies/
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If you know what your doing you CAN WORK WITH LIVE POWER

You gotta wear RUBBER BOOTS AND RUBBER GLOVES .. (Thats how linemen work on the lines)
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:03 PM   #37
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Old 11-02-2013, 02:23 PM   #38
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Spoke with my NETWORK provider (SSE)
who told me that they own the supply into the property,
But they do not own the meters.
They can only provide wholesale,
and cannot supply gas or electric direct to consumers.

Nor can they provide meters for consumers.
They told me the meters are installed and owned by the SUPPLIERS,
with each supplier separately responsible for installing SMART meters.

Their understanding was that the smart meters were not mandatory,
but SUPPLIERS had until 2019 to complete their installation. (?)
He suggested speaking to my SUPPLIER for more info.

Called British Gas, my SUPPLIER for both gas and electric services.
They confirmed that smart meters aren’t mandatory yet,
but said it will be in 2019.
He told me that in 2019, I will receive a letter telling me that I will have to install one.
He couldn’t quote the law that specified this,
but was insistent that was the case, and he referred me to the website for more info.

Can’t see anything on the website that quotes any law, or refers to 2019, as being mandatory.

It simply states:
If you don’t want to have a smart meter installed yet,
just tell us.
(my bold)


This is the 3 December 2012 House of Commons Library note on Smart Meters;
www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn06179.pdf

Page 8
The Government will place regulatory obligations on energy suppliers to “take all reasonable steps” to install smart meters for all their domestic and smaller non-domestic customers, including in rural areas, by 31 December 2019. However, it recognises that there “may be some circumstances where it would not be practical to install a smart meter”. Also: 31
We have made it clear that we do not expect suppliers to seek an entry warrant simply to fit a smart meter and it will not be an offence for householders to refuse to accept a smart meter.

A further question was asked in March 2012 by Bill Esterson MP: 32
Charles Hendry: Smart meters will be rolled out as standard across the country by 2019, but it will not be a legal obligation on individuals to have one.

The roll-out of smart meters is an important national modernisation programme, which will bring big benefits to consumers, as well as the nation. We therefore expect consumers to welcome their installation.
British Gas has also confirmed that although it is now installing smart meters where possible now, it is company policy to offer customers the ability not to have a smart meter.

(My bold above)

British Gas is clearly interpreting this as being that they are legally charged to ensure that Smart Meters are fitted to all their customers by 2019, but until then, opt out is fine.

And the above HoC Note is ambiguous - it appears not to be mandatory for the consumer, but is mandatory for the supplier?

The only exception for non completion by 2019 for the supplier appears to be; “there may be some circumstances where it would not be practical to install a smart meter”.

This will be a tough battle.
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Could these meters be bypassed altogether? a small alteration to the pipework before and after the meter would do the trick.
Wrap them in several layers of aluminium foil.

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Called British Gas, my SUPPLIER for both gas and electric services.
They confirmed that smart meters aren’t mandatory yet,
but said it will be in 2019.
He told me that in 2019, I will receive a letter telling me that I will have to install one.
He couldn’t quote the law that specified this,
but was insistent that was the case, and he referred me to the website for more info.

Can’t see anything on the website that quotes any law, or refers to 2019, as being mandatory.

It simply states:
If you don’t want to have a smart meter installed yet,
just tell us. (my bold)


This is the 3 December 2012 House of Commons Library note on Smart Meters;
www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn06179.pdf

Page 8
The Government will place regulatory obligations on energy suppliers to “take all reasonable steps” to install smart meters for all their domestic and smaller non-domestic customers, including in rural areas, by 31 December 2019. However, it recognises that there “may be some circumstances where it would not be practical to install a smart meter”. Also: 31
We have made it clear that we do not expect suppliers to seek an entry warrant simply to fit a smart meter and it will not be an offence for householders to refuse to accept a smart meter.

A further question was asked in March 2012 by Bill Esterson MP: 32
Charles Hendry: Smart meters will be rolled out as standard across the country by 2019, but it will not be a legal obligation on individuals to have one.

The roll-out of smart meters is an important national modernisation programme, which will bring big benefits to consumers, as well as the nation. We therefore expect consumers to welcome their installation.
British Gas has also confirmed that although it is now installing smart meters where possible now, it is company policy to offer customers the ability not to have a smart meter.
(My bold above)

British Gas is clearly interpreting this as being that they are legally charged to ensure that Smart Meters are fitted to all their customers by 2019, but until then, opt out is fine.

....

Copy/paste of an email from British Gas
I emailed them - email at the bottom of their reply.
I refuse to have a smart meter.
They agree there is no legal requirement to have one,
and that I don't have to have one, even when they change
over to smart meters from analog meters.
BG 'phoned me, and we discussed the situation
(I informed him of the dangers of emf etc)
and he agreed that one wouldn't be fitted,
and my account would be flagged against an SM.




Thanks for the email you sent and for taking the time to speak with me today.

I'm emailing you to confirm what we discussed. When your meters reach the end of their life time we will contact you to arrange an appointment to exchange them. This initial contact may advise we will be replacing them with new Smart Meters. However, in line with current Government policy you will be able to have your meters replaced with regular meters if you still do not want Smart Meters in your property.

If you receive a letter or phone call asking you to book an appointment, please advise us of the above when arranging a date.
If you require any further help, please do not hesitate to contact our Smart Homes team on 0800 980 6121* or simply reply to my e-mail and I will be happy to help.


Please contact us should you need any help in the future and thank you for contacting British Gas.


We're listening, so tell us what you think - if you've got a moment please complete my survey to let me know how I've done.

Kind regards


Dale Casper
Customer Service Advisor

britishgas.co.uk - Looking after your world

We've delivered on our promise and responded to your enquiry within 24 hours.

Your enquiry ref: xxxxxxx
letter ref wel_check
Greetings,
Today we had a leaflet from yourselves. In that leaflet was a section on smart meters, and a url link http://*******/Smartmeters. The link goes to Which, and that page is not at that link any more. You might want to look at the link below: http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cm...s/faq/faq.aspx particularly at question 11 Do I have to have a smart meter? ANSWER Smart meters will be rolled out as standard across the country by 2019. But it will not be a legal obligation on individuals to have one. The roll-out of smart meters is an important national modernisation programme. This will bring big benefits to consumers and the nation. We expect consumers to welcome the benefits smart meters will bring. We aim for all homes to have smart meters by 2019. Energy companies will be required to install smart meters and take all reasonable steps to reach everyone. However, we do not expect energy companies to take legal action to fit a smart meter if they cannot get the householder’s co-operation. NB. it will not be a legal obligation on individuals to have one. I am minded to think that your leaflet, wording of, and URL are misleading, giving the impression that smart meters are i) compulsory - they are not, ii) a benefit to consumers - thay are not - they are harmful! Therefore I am putting you - British Gas - on NOTICE, that I am refusing to have a smart meter installed at my address. If any attempt is made to install a smart meter, I well stop the installation, and either change supplier, or have the gas supply capped off altogether. The radiation emitted by smart meters is unacceptable, and what ever your protestations, is unsafe. Please make sure that my account details are amended accordingly i.e. NO SMART METERS at my address. Thank you for your consideration.

Your Gas Customer Reference Number:xxxxxxxx


My bottom line is simple.
No smart meter on my property!
If the supplier tries to install a smart meter,
they they can remove all their equipment from my property,
ie wires and pipes and junction boxes,
(which will bugger up their supply to houses nearby ie they will
have to find a route around my property instead of across it),
and if they dont remove it, I will!
They cannot make me have their services at my property.

Please don't go refering me to videos on youtube where people
get arrested etc while SM's are installed. These are mainly USA,
and those in the UK are installing pre-payment meters.

Smart Meters are not coming to my property!
Any, and all means will be use to prevent them!
If we all refuse - they won't be used! (Little humourous poem there! )
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