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Old 16-01-2012, 06:44 AM   #221
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Lunar surface temperature swings from roughly 180K to 250K over a month.


http://www.monstein.de/astronomypubl...Moon2001V2.htm



In what way does the moon not act like a big rock?
I stand corrected on the surface temperature on the moon.

Motion studies and the determined density of the moon indicate it is, if not hollow, extremely cavernous, whereas a rock is generally solid.
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I stand corrected on the surface temperature on the moon.
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Motion studies and the determined density of the moon indicate it is, if not hollow, extremely cavernous, whereas a rock is generally solid.
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It's my understanding that the moon's density is agreed upon by scientists, 60% of Earth's density. As far as I know, the only explanation for this which makes sense is that large portions of the interior are hollow.


from Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon:
"In 1962, Dr. Gordon McDonald, a leading scientist at NASA, published a report in the July issue of ŒAstronautics.¹ In it he stated that, according to an analysis of the Moon¹s motion, it appears that the Moon is hollow: ŒIf the astronomical data are reduced, it is found that the data require that the interior of the Moon be less dense than the outer parts. Indeed, it would seem that the Moon is more like a hollow than a homogenous sphere.¹ Œ¹Astronautics¹ magazine‹July, 1962 issue.)
NOTE: The importance of this is immediately seen if one considers the possibility that our Moon is an artificial satellite. Another important question also comes to mind: Could the method used to analyze the Moon¹s motion be applied to the Earth¹s motion as well, to determine if it, also, is hollow? Scientists have never had the opportunity to study Earth from a distance, thus making the carrying out of such observations impossible. But from orbiting space-stations (like the Soviet ŒMir¹ station), these studies would be QUITE possible to carry out. If this has not already been done, (and realizing how much our government really tells the public, it probably HAS been), it SHOULD be, and SOON!
This would add another LARGE piece of evidence in the already PONDEROUS case in favor of the Hollow Earth Theory. In fact, the more one studies our mysterious Moon, the more light is thrown onto the Hollow Earth Theory as well." ~p.72.


I'm led to believe there are other motion studies though I have not found any references for them.

The seismic studies also indicate a hollow sphere with a rigid internal structure which, when struck, acted like a huge gong, vibrating for hours. This evidence is also presented in the same book.

If you have evidence contradicting these findings, I'd like to see them. Thanks for your interest.
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Old 20-01-2012, 03:39 AM   #224
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For your edification, courtesy of David Icke, from his book, Human Race.

http://www.wariscrime.com/2012/01/16...-a-spacecraft/



The Moon Is A Spacecraft


I don’t know if there are men on the moon, but if there are they must be using the earth as their lunatic asylum. – George Bernard Shaw.

… I was sitting at the computer writing this book when I had the overwhelming feeling out of ‘nowhere’ that the Moon was not ‘real’. By ‘real’, I mean not a ‘heavenly body’, but an artificial construct (or a hollowed-out planetoid) that has been put there to control life on Earth – which it does. I have pondered on this possibility a few times over the years, but this time I just ‘knew’. It was like an enormous penny had suddenly dropped…

When the very powerful intuition hit me, I went on the Internet to see if there was anything about the Moon being artificial. Within a couple of minutes, I found a book called Who Built the Moon? by Christopher Knight and Alan Butler. Knight and Butler also worked together on another book, Civilization One; and Knight was the author of The Hiram Key, an investigation into the origins of Freemasonry. Their book about the Moon arrived in a few days, and I read it immediately. Other information about the Moon was coming to me by that time and a familiar pattern was emerging. First a new subject comes into my life and then information about it comes from all angles. Who Built the Moon? details many extraordinary mathematical and other connections between the Moon, Earth and the Sun. The key to these alignments and connections is the size, position and movement of the Moon. It is well beyond miraculous ‘chance’ that the Moon is what it is and where it is. Moon anomalies are so many and so various that Irwin Shapiro, from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said: ‘The best explanation for the Moon is observational error – the Moon doesn’t exist.’ Knight and Butler write:
The Moon is bigger than it should be, apparently older than it should be and much lighter in mass than it should be. It occupies an unlikely orbit and is so extraordinary that all existing explanations for its presence are fraught with difficulties and none of them could be considered remotely watertight.

Isaac Asimov, a Russian professor of biochemistry and writer of popular science books, said that the Moon, which has no atmosphere and no magnetic field, is basically a freak of nature in that Earth is the only planet in the solar system orbited by a satellite so enormous in relation to the world it circles. It is bigger than the planet Pluto. Some scientists have even called it a twin-planet system, rather than a planet and a satellite. Asimov said that by all cosmic laws, the Moon should not be orbiting Earth. He went on:
… we cannot help but come to the conclusion that the Moon by rights ought not to be there. The fact that it is, is one of those strokes of luck almost too good to accept … Small planets, such as Earth, with weak gravitational fields, might well lack satellites …
… In general, then, when a planet does have satellites, those satellites are much smaller than the planet itself. Therefore, even if the Earth has a satellite, there would be every reason to suspect … that at best it would be a tiny world, perhaps 30 miles in diameter. But that is not so. Earth not only has a satellite, but it is a giant satellite, 2,160 miles in diameter. How is it then, that tiny Earth has one? Amazing.

There are so many anomalies with the Moon. It has no magnetic field, and yet moon rocks are magnetised. It has the phenomenon known as ‘mascons’ (mass concentrations), which are large circular areas of unusually high density and a higher gravitational ‘pull’. Don Wilson, author of Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon, says it appears that mascons could be some kind of artificial construction. They are found in the vast plains on the Moon known as ‘maria’ that were once believed to be seas. About a third of the Moon facing the Earth is made up of these maria while there are few on the ‘dark side’, and no-one can explain why the two sides are so different.

The Moon produces precisely the same seismic vibrational effects every time it moves closer to the Earth. How can this be if it is a natural phenomenon that would be bound to change over time? New York Times writer, Walter Sullivan, said it was ‘as though the ups and downs of the stockmarket repeated themselves precisely for each period of fluctuation’.

The oldest rocks collected from the Moon are far older than any found on Earth. Some moon rocks are said to date back 4.5 billion years and that makes them a billion years older than any found on this planet. Harvard’s astronomy journal, Sky and Telescope, reported that the 1973 Lunar Conference was told how one moon rock was dated at 5.3 billion years old. This would make it nearly a billion years older than the predicted age of Earth. The rocks were also discovered to have a different composition to the lunar dust in which they were found, and the dust has apparently been estimated to be a billion years older than the rocks. Huh?

Science has no idea where the Moon came from and how it was formed, and none of its theories stand up to scrutiny. One theory was that it was captured by the Earth’s magnetic field, but the science of that doesn’t add up. Another is that a body the size of Mars smashed into the Earth and a great chunk of the Earth broke off to form the Moon. This is known as the ‘Big Whack’ theory, but when the science of that didn’t stand up, either, someone postured the ‘Double Big Whack’ theory. This is that the ‘Mars’ planet smacked into the Earth and then came back for another go. Talk about desperate. The truth is that they have no idea where the Moon came from or how it came to be where it is. Earl Ubell, a former science editor with CBS, asked:
If the Earth and Moon were created at the same time, near each other, why has one got all the iron and the other [the Moon] not much? The differences suggest that Earth and Moon came into being far from each other, an idea that stumbles over the inability of astrophysicists to explain how exactly the Moon became a satellite of Earth.

Extraordinary ‘Coincidences’

Christopher Knight and Alan Butler reveal in Who Built the Moon? many remarkable mathematical connections with regard to the Moon, Earth and the Sun using the base number of ten. These mathematical synchronicities only work with these three bodies and not with any of the other planets or moons in the solar system.

The Moon is 400 times smaller than the Sun, and at a solar eclipse it is 400 times closer to Earth. This makes the Moon appear from Earth to be the same size as the Sun – hence a total eclipse.
The Moon has astonishing synchronicity with the Sun. When the Sun is at its lowest and weakest in mid-winter, the Moon is at its highest and brightest, and the reverse occurs in mid-summer. Both set at the same point on the horizon at the equinoxes and at the opposite point at the solstices. What are the chances that the Moon would naturally find an orbit so perfect that it would cover the Sun at an eclipse and appear from Earth to be the same size? What are chances that the alignments would be so perfect at the equinoxes and solstices?

The Moon always shows the same side or ‘face’ to the Earth during the period when we can see it. We never see what is called the ‘dark’ or far side of the Moon from the Earth. This is due to the synchronicity of the Moon’s rotation. It rotates on its axis in about the same time it takes to orbit the Earth, and this means that the same ‘face’ is turned towards Earth at all times. The Moon’s rotation is extremely slow compared with Earth’s, and in the time it takes for the Moon to complete just one turn, Earth will rotate more than 27 times.

Earth rotates at a speed 400 times faster than the Moon, and turns 40,000 kilometres on its axis in a day to the Moon’s 400. Earth spins 366.259 times during one orbit of the Sun, and the polar circumference of the Earth is 366.175 times bigger than that of the Moon. The polar circumference of the Moon is 27.31 per cent the size of the earth and the Moon makes 27.396 turns per orbit of the Earth. Knight and Butler say that if you multiply the circumference of the Moon by that of the Earth, the result is 436,669,140 kilometres. If this number is divided by 100 it becomes 436,669 kilometres – the circumference of the Sun correct to 99.9 per cent.

If you divide the circumference of the Sun by that of the Moon and multiply by 100 you get the circumference of the Earth. Divide the size of the Sun by the size of the Earth and multiply by 100 and you get the size of the Moon. The writers correctly conclude that the number-play involved with the Earth-Moon-Sun system is ‘nothing less than staggering’, and the Moon appears to have been inserted into the Sun-Earth relationship ‘with the accuracy of the proverbial Swiss watchmaker’.

Knight and Butler also say that the Moon, Earth and the Sun are encoded with the unit of measurement known as the ‘megalithic yard’. This was discovered by Professor Alexander Thom, a Scottish engineer, when he made a detailed study of stone circles, such as Stonehenge, and other megalithic structures in Britain and France. He found that they all used a standard measurement equal to 0.829 metres (or 2.72 feet) and he called this the ‘megalithic yard’. Knight and Butler say that the circumferences of the Moon, Earth and the Sun all conform to the megalithic yard. They write:
This all seemed very odd. The Megalithic structures that were built across Western Europe were frequently used to observe the movements of the Sun and the Moon, but how could the unit of measure upon which these structures were based be so beautifully integer to the circumference of these bodies as well as the Earth?

I would say that it is because the Reptilians who control the Moon were also involved in the building of the Megalithic structures. Knight and Butler say that megalithic-yard mathematics can be found in other units of measurement such as the pound and the pint. The ancients worked with a circle based on 366 degrees to match the number of Earth rotations in an orbit of the Sun, a number dictated by the position and influence of the Moon on Earth’s speed of spin. The Sumerians changed the mathematics when they introduced the 360-degree circle and the units of 60 minutes and 60 seconds.

Hollow Moon

There are countless indications that the Moon is hollow, and it is acknowledged that the core is far less dense than the outer layers. Some scientists say it may even have no core at all. NASA scientist, Dr Gordon MacDonald, said in the early 1960s that ‘it would seem that the Moon is more like a hollow than a homogeneous sphere’. He surmised that the data must have been wrong – but it wasn’t. MacDonald was right the first time. Dr Sean C Solomon of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology said the Lunar Orbiter experiments had vastly improved knowledge of the Moon’s gravitational field and indicated the ‘frightening possibility that the Moon might be hollow’. Cosmologist, Carl Sagan, made the point that ‘a natural satellite cannot be a hollow object’.

The Moon has only 60 per cent of the density of Earth, and an equal amount of Earth material would appear to weigh almost twice as much as that of the Moon. This has led some scientists to believe that the Moon either does not have an iron core and/or that it is partially hollow.

A team at the University of Arizona said they believed that the Moon does have a core, but that it is tiny. Lon Hood, the team leader, said: ‘We knew that the Moon’s core was small, but we didn’t know it was this small … This really does add weight to the idea that the Moon’s origin is unique, unlike any other terrestrial body – Earth, Venus, Mars or Mercury.’ Yeah, it’s artificial.

The Apollo 12 mission to the Moon in November 1969 set up seismometers and then intentionally crashed the Lunar Module causing an impact equivalent to one ton of TNT. The shockwaves built up for eight minutes, and NASA scientists said the Moon ‘rang like a bell’. Maurice Ewing, a co-director of the seismic experiment, told a news conference that he had no idea why this had happened: ‘As for the meaning of it, I’d rather not make an interpretation right now, but it is as though someone had struck a bell, say, in the belfry of a church a single blow and found that the reverberation from it continued for 30 minutes.’ Dr Frank Press from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology said that for a ‘rather small impact’ to produce an effect that lasted for 30 minutes was ‘quite beyond the range of our experience’. The Apollo 13 mission to the Moon in 1970 was aborted due to potentially catastrophic technical problems, and the Saturn V launch vehicle, weighing 15 tonnes, was crashed into the Moon about 100 miles from where the previous mission had left the seismometer. When the launch vehicle made impact with the equivalent of eleven tonnes of TNT, NASA scientists said the Moon ‘reacted like a gong’ and continued to vibrate for three hours and twenty minutes to a depth of up to 25 miles. Ken Johnson was a supervisor of the Data and Photo Control department during the Apollo missions, working for a company contracted to NASA. He told Who Built the Moon? author, Alan Butler, that the Moon not only rang like a bell, but the whole Moon ‘wobbled’ in such a precise way that it was ‘almost as though it had gigantic hydraulic damper struts inside it’. All of which would explain why the Moon vibrates in exactly the same way every time it moves closer to Earth. The Moon was hit by a meteor with the power of 200 tonnes of TNT in 1972. This unleashed enormous shockwaves deep into the interior, but none came back.

The outer surface of the Moon is extremely hard and contains minerals like titanium. Moon rocks have been found to contain processed metals, including brass and mica, and the elements uranium 236 and neptunium 237 that have never been found to occur naturally. Uranium 236 is a long-lived radioactive nuclear waste and is found in spent nuclear fuel and reprocessed uranium. Neptunium 237 is a radioactive metallic element and a by-product of nuclear reactors and the production of plutonium. How the heck did this stuff get into Moon rocks? They also found iron particles that don’t rust, and again, this does not happen naturally.

The Moon is a Spacecraft

Two members of the Soviet Academy of Sciences wrote an article in 1970 in the Soviet Sputnik magazine called ‘Is the Moon the Creation of Alien Intelligence?’. I would answer that question with a resounding ‘Yes’. Mikhail Vasin and Alexander Shcherbakov suggested that the Moon was a planetoid that had been hollowed out using huge machines by unknown beings with highly advanced technology. If this technology was nuclear in nature it would explain the presence of the uranium 236 and neptunium 237. Vasin and Shcherbakov said the machines would have melted rock to form cavities within the Moon and the lava would have poured out onto the surface to produce a lunar landscape made from metallic rocky slag. They said that for whatever reason the Moon was eventually placed in orbit around the Earth. This is part of what they wrote in Sputnik magazine:
If you are going to launch an artificial sputnik, then it is advisable to make it hollow. At the same time it would be naïve to imagine that anyone capable of such a tremendous space project would be satisfied simply with some kind of giant empty trunk hurled into near-Earth trajectory.
It is more likely that what we have here is a very ancient spaceship, the interior of which was filled with fuel for the engines, materials and appliances for repair work, navigation instruments, observation equipment and all manner of machinery … in other words, everything necessary to enable this ‘caravelle of the Universe’ to serve as a Noah’s Ark of intelligence, perhaps even as the home of a whole civilisation envisaging a prolonged (thousands of millions of years) existence and long wanderings through space (thousands of millions of miles).

Naturally, the hull of such a spaceship must be super-tough in order to stand up to the blows of meteorites and sharp fluctuations between extreme heat and extreme cold. Probably the shell is a double-layered affair – the basis a dark armouring of about 20 miles in thickness, and outside it some kind of more loosely-packed covering (a thinner layer – averaging about three miles). In certain areas – where the lunar ’seas’ and ‘craters’ are, the upper layer is quite thin, in some cases, non-existent.

The facts support this thesis and explain the long list of anomolies. Dr D L Anderson, a professor of geophysics and director of the seismological laboratory at the California Institute of Technology, said ‘the Moon is made inside out’ and that its inner and outer compositions should be the other way round. Vasin and Shcherbakov said that material inside the Moon was brought to the surface to make the outer shell. The thinner outer layer, averaging about two and a half to three miles, but sometimes going deeper, would explain why moon craters are nothing like as deep as they should be given the width of the impact. They are uniformly shallow. Foreign bodies like meteorites are prevented from going deeper when they hit the ‘dark armouring of about 20 miles in thickness’. Vasin and Shcherbakov said that when a meteorite strikes the Moon the outer layer plays the role of a buffer before the foreign body strikes the impenetrable 20- mile armour plating, which is only slightly dented. ‘Bearing in mind that the Moon’s defence coating is, according our calculations, 2.5 miles thick, one sees that this is approximately the maximum depth of the craters.’ They pointed out that surface lunar rocks have been found to contain titanium, chromium and circonium, which are all metals ‘with refractory, mechanically-strong and anticorrosive properties’. ‘Refractory’ metals are extraordinarily resistant to heat and to wear, and the scientists said that the combination found on the surface of the Moon would have ‘enviable resistance to heat and the ability to stand up to means of aggression’. Vasin and Shcherbakov continue:
If a material had to be devised to protect a giant artificial satellite from the unfavourable effects of temperature, from cosmic radiation and meteorite bombardment, the experts would probably have hit upon precisely these metals. In that case is it not clear why lunar rock is such an extraordinarily poor heat conductor – a factor which so amazed the astronauts? Wasn’t that what the designers of this supersputnik of the Earth were after? From the engineers’ point of view, this spaceship of ages long past which we call the Moon is superbly constructed.

Some lunar rocks have been found to contain ten times more titanium than titaniumrich rocks on Earth. Titanium is used in supersonic jets, deep-diving submarines and spacecraft. Dr Harold Urey, a winner of the Nobel Prize for Chemistry, said he was ‘terribly puzzled by the rocks from the Moon and in particular their titanium content’. He said the samples were ‘mind-blowers’ and that he could not account for the titanium. Dr S Ross Taylor, the geochemist in charge of lunar chemical analysis, said the problem was that maria plains the size of Texas had to be covered with melted rock containing fluid titanium. He said you would not expect titanium ever to be hot enough to do that, even on Earth, and no one had ever suggested that the Moon was hotter than Earth. What could distribute titanium in this way? Highly advanced technology developed and operated by entities that are immensely more technologically advanced than humans.

Vasin and Shcherbakov say that the strange variations in gravitation fields called ‘mascons’ in the flat maria plains can be explained from this perspective. The maria are areas from which the protective coating was torn from the armour cladding, and to make good the damage ‘the installation producing the repair substance would have had to be brought immediately beneath the site so that it could flood the area with its ‘cement’ – a lava-like material.’ The resulting flat stretches are what look like seas to the terrestrial observer, the scientists say, and ‘the stocks of materials and machinery for doing this are no doubt still where they were, and are sufficiently massive to give rise to these gravitational anomalies’.

The enormously different ages of lunar rocks and lunar dust can be explained by the cosmic travels of the spaceship Moon in which it would have picked up material from many places and of many ages. The Moon has a large bulge on the ‘dark side’ that can only be satisfactorily explained by the immense strength of a spaceship hull preventing the Moon from breaking apart. Unexplained eruptions of water vapour have been detected over areas of the Moon of some 100 square miles, with some reports saying they are coming from beneath the surface. Farouk El Baz, who worked with NASA on the scientific exploration of the Moon, said: ‘If water vapour is coming from the Moon’s interior this is serious. It means that there is a drastic distinction between the different phases of the lunar interior – that the interior is quite different from what we have seen on the surface.’ Vasin and Shcherbakov said there are gases within the Moon which creates an atmosphere that sustains life. If they escaped to the surface from time to time it would explain the vapour clouds that have bewildered scientists.

Author and researcher Don Wilson lists some of the major lunar mysteries in his book, Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon, but they can be explained once we realise that the Moon is an artificially-constructed spacecraft. These ‘mysteries’ include:
Why the Moon is a freak world – too big and too far out to be a natural satellite of Earth?
Why the Moon has such shallow craters?
Why and how the Moon can sustain its bulge?
Why some moon rocks are older than Earth, and as old (at least) as the solar system?
Why the Moon seems ‘inside out’?
The various mysteries of the maria and mascons?
How the Moon can be a dry-as-dust world and yet have occasional clouds of water vapour?
Why the Moon vibrates like a ‘huge gong’, transmitting tremors great distances around and through itself?
How the Moon can produce so many contradictions of data and findings?

I hadn’t read any of this until I had that overwhelming feeling at my computer that the Moon was artificial and was being used to control life on this planet. It is the Reptilians’ control system. The placement of the Moon dictates the speed of Earth’s rotation and the angle at which it rotates – 22.5 degrees from vertical. This angle creates the four seasons because of the way planet faces the Sun during its annual orbit. The Moon has a major influence on the tides – far more than the Sun – and with the human body consisting of some 70 per cent water it is bound to have a fantastic influence on us, even on that level alone. The Moon also dictates so much of our relationship with time, and the term ‘month’ is really Moonth, a period based on the cycles of the Moon.

The realisation that the Moon is a gigantic spacecraft is the strand that connects all the rest, not just in relation to Moon anomalies, but also to life on Earth and the conspiracy to enslave humanity. The fact is that the Reptilians in the Moon and in underground bases on Mars depend on humans and the Earth for food – their very survival. This is one key reason why they are desperate not to be exposed. Water and other resources are constantly being taken from this planet to the Moon and Mars and this is not a new phenomena, either. Ancient Zulu stories say the same.

Interestingly, the Sumerian accounts of the Anunnaki say that they came to Earth to mine gold and they genetically-engineered their human slave population to do this in Africa. In early 2010, the Pakistan Daily, an online news agency, ran a story that apparently no one in the mainstream media would touch. It alleged that vast amounts of gold bars all over the world had gone missing to be replaced by tungsten bars with a gold coating. Tungsten apparently has exactly the same density as gold, to three decimal places. The Pakistan Daily article said that during the Bill Clinton administration, in which financial policy was controlled by Robert E Rubin (Rothschild Zionist), Larry Summers (Rothschild Zionist) and Alan Greenspan (Rothschild Zionist), ‘between 1.3 and 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten blanks were allegedly manufactured by a very high-end, sophisticated refiner in the USA’ – more than 16 thousand metric tonnes. Subsequently, it said, 640,000 of these tungsten blanks received their gold plating and were shipped to the US ‘gold’ depository at Fort Knox where they remain to this day. The article reported that in October 2009 the Chinese received a shipment of gold bars in payment of debts and the government asked that special tests be performed to guarantee their purity and weight. Four small holes were drilled into the bars and the metal analysed. Officials were shocked to learn, the article claimed, that the ‘gold’ bars were fake. They were made of tungsten with only a outer coating of gold. The bars contained serial numbers for tracking purposes, the article went on, and they proved that the bars originated in the US and had been stored in Fort Knox for years. The shipment reportedly consisted of between 5,600 to 5,700 bars. The House of Rothschild has always been the dominant force in the global gold market and the price of gold was set every day at the offices of N M Rothschild in London from 1919 until 2004 when the Rothschilds suddenly announced that they were withdrawing from the gold market. Mmmm. More to know about all this, for sure. What if gold is essential to sustain activities in the Moon? If so, how much of the ‘gold’ in enormous vaults all over the world is really ‘gold’ anymore?…
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Old 20-01-2012, 07:39 AM   #225
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When the investigator mentions the studies done on moon rocks ,can he be certain they are really moon rocks ? How can he be 100% sure.

We can never know the truth about the moon .We can only have a choice of many different beliefs about the moon.

The sun maybe a spaceship or a lost city now i could search and read lots of stories and books that support this ,and in doing this, program my subconscious to believe the sun really is alost city.

Who can argue with me or prove other wise?

Lets be honest with our selves . We dont know where the moon came from ,we dont know where the sun came from, we dont know where mars came from,we dont know where pluto came from.

But in the future when the conspiracy industry needs more material to sell to the truth consumers these books will come out.
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Old 22-01-2012, 02:34 PM   #226
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indolering, post #224,

thanks very much for that. very interesting indeed!
( I did kind of know lots of it, but it was summed up very well).
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indolering, post #224,

thanks very much for that. very interesting indeed!
( I did kind of know lots of it, but it was summed up very well).
You're welcome. Thanks for your participation.
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Old 22-01-2012, 05:11 PM   #228
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Your brash statement that we can never know the truth about the moon is utter nonsense. You probably would have said the same about the Earth when some men claimed it was round, not flat. Great mysteries are eventually solved, and not necessarily by direct, hands-on inspection. No one can see an atom but we know they exist. No one has been to the Sun but we know its temperature.

The moon rocks are authentic, agreed upon by scientists around the world. And they tell us much about the composition and age of the moon. The rocks have characteristics which are unique, unlike anything on Earth. There are a host of reasons to believe they are lunar material and not terrestrial. Further, mathematical calculations and the laws of celestial mechanics also tell us a great deal about the moon's composition and how it came to be our neighbor.

You're obviously not a scientist and there's nothing wrong with that. But making wild statements that no one can know what you don't know serves no purpose.
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Here's a condensed version of what Icke says about the moon:



Spaceship moon
the moon is bigger and lighter in mass than it should be, its massive. It should be about 30 miles in diameter-but is 2160.

No magnetic field-yet rocks are magnetised. Large circular areas of high density and higher gravitational pull-once believed to be oceans, appear artificial, very few on dark side of moon.

Rocks on the moon of 4.5 billion years old-that's 1 billion years old than the Earth, said the whack theory does not make sense and the Earth has all the iron and the moon has none.

Coincidences
the moon is 400 times smaller than the Sun, at the solar eclipse is 400 times closer to the Earth-this makes the moon appear the same size as the sun. When the sun is at its lowest/weakest, the moon is at its highest/brightest. Both set at the same point on the horizon at the equinoxes and opposite points at solstices. We never see the dark side due to synchronicity of the moons rotation-it rotates on its axis in about the same time it takes to orbit the Earth. Very slow rotation-one turnover every 27 Earth turns. The Earth rotates 400 times faster than the moon and turns 40,000 km on its axis in a day to the moons 400 turns. Earth spins 366 times in one solar orbit and polar circumference of the Earth is 366 times bigger than the moon. Circumference of the moon is 27% the size Earth and the Moon makes 27 turns per orbit of Earth,.

Multiply circumference of moon by that of Earth= 436, 669, 140KM. Divide by hundred= 436, 669-the circumference of the Sun which is correct to 99.9%. Divide circumference of the Sun by that of the moon x 100 = circumference of the Earth. Divide the size of the Sun by the size of the Earth and x 100= size of the moon.
Precision of the proverbial Swiss watchmaker.

Moon, Earth and Sun encoded with unit of measurement called the megalithic yard. I.e. used for measuring stone circles etc.

Structures were built to observe movements of Sun/moon etc-but how would they know the circumference?

Hollow moon
it is known that the core is far less dense than the outer layers-it may have no core at all. But a natural satellite cannot be hollow.

It has only 60% the density of the Earth. The moon may not have a core or is partially hollow.

They crashed a lunar module causing impact equal to 1 tons of TNT. Shockwaves built up 8 min-rang like a bell 30 min. Another module equal to 11 tons of TNT-the moon reacted like a gong-vibrated three hours and 20 min to a depth of 25 km. The moon wobbled very precisely as if it had big hydraulic dampers struts. The moon was hit by a meteor equivalent 200 tons of TNT-massive shockwaves deep into the interior...... but none came back!!

The outer surface of the moon is very hard and has minerals like titanium. Moon rocks contained processed metals including brass and Mica, and elements uranium 236 (radioactive waste found in spent nuclear fuel and reprocessed uranium) Neptunium 237-byproduct of nuclear reactors-neither are ever found naturally. They also found iron particles that never rust-that doesn't happen naturally.

The moon is a spacecraft
hollowed out using nuclear drills and poured radioactive metallic slag onto the surface.

Artificial Sputnik
filled with fuel and machinery. The hull is supertough-double layered and 20 mile thick-then a loosely packed covering (about 3 miles back). Where the lunar seas and craters are-Delay is then and in some cases non-existent.

The moon is inside out. The outer layer is tough-hence why craters are so shallow. The outer layer acts as a buffer. Rocks contain titanium, chromium, and circonium-refractory and mechanically strong and anticorrosive properties. Very resistant to heat and wear. From an engineer's point of view, superb construction.

10 x titanium as Earth rocks. Maria Plains are the size of Texas and covered with fluid titanium. Protective coating was damaged and repaired with liquid titanium.

The age of the moon dust can be explained by space travels of the moon.

Large bulge on dark side-the immense hull of a spaceship.

Unexplained eruptions of water vapour i.e. there is an atmosphere that sustains life inside.

Irregularities:
Moon is too big and too far out.
Moon has such shallow craters.
How can the moon sustain its bulge.
Age of moon rocks.
Moon is inside out.
Mysteries of Maria and Mascons.
Dry as dust-but there are clouds of water vapour erupting from the surface.
Moon vibrates like a gong.

The placement of the moons dictate the speed of Earth rotation and angle at which it rotates-22.5° from vertical. This angle create the four seasons (before the moon there were no seasons)-influences the tides and the water in our bodies too.

Dictate our relationship to time. Months= moonths i.e. based on moon cycles.

Water and resources taken from the Earth to moon and Mars. Zulus confirm this.

Sumerian accounts of Anunaki say they came to mine gold. There is no gold in Fort Knox-just tungsten blanks.

The death Star
the moon and phobos= spaceship/base/modus operandi of the reptilians.

Arrival of the moon ended the golden age-ancients blame the serpent gods.

War in the heavens-planets between Mars and Jupiter was destroyed to become asteroid belt, solar system totally disrupted. The Earth turned over i.e. when moon Drew close and moved again to adjust its position. Created seasons-hence 'gods talk to people about the seasons'(why would we need to be taught?)

Ancient confirmation
moon=' chariot' of the gods/Goddess.
Zulu say the moon is hollow and home of the Python and moon was brought here 100 generations ago by two brothers (corresponds with Anunaki - Enki&Enlil) Zulus say the brothers stole the moon in the form of an egg from a great fire dragon and emptied out the yoke.
Semiramis came from the moon in an egg that fell into the Euphrates at the time of the first full moon after the spring equinox.

Accounts say reptilians come to Earth at the full moon when Satanic rituals abound and legends say people become vampires and werewolves.

Sun worship originates from reptilians having eyes as bright as the sun.

Before the moon there were no seasons and the planet was permanently surrounded by Caribbean water vapour. People did not feel the fierce glare of the sun and could only see it through a watery mist. That was beautiful, a gentle place, lush and green and the fury of the Sun was not there. Then the water canopy fell to Earth as a deluge of rain when the moon came.

Reptilians manipulate from the moon where the Python lives-accounts warned to never upset the moon. If the sun is forgiving but never the moon. Moon was built faraway to travel the universe.

The moon was the Ark in the Bible where new genetic material was saved-an new post-flood, genetically manipulated version of man went forth.

Accounts :Reptilians come to earth in saucers. Moon is a 'magician'.

Reptilians created by the Sun to cause havoc for creation 'given authority to really mess things up in the universe'. Change rotation and angle of Earth 'Earth turned over'. Brought tidal systems, women didn't menstruate before. Moon stops Earth getting too fertile and moon/Earth in a silent war.' The moon, out of jealousy is a bad sister'. Reptilians threatened to take the moon away if humans didn't do what they are told.

Humans are from Orion
from a world among the stars. A paradise world with red rocks, Earth, sand, seas. Credo says is the real Garden of Eden-survivors banished for their greed and lust after a war between man and woman. Zulus call planet Matfieng/Lord of the flies-insulting depiction of the survivors (Beelzebub also Lord of the flies) survivors were brought here in the moon.

Calling cards of the gods.
There are lots of unexplained structures on the moon-a 'bridge'12 miles long. Hundred 50 obelisks-huge shadows cast by spires. Others are taller than the tallest buildings on earth-two or three times taller and much lighter in colour than surrounding lava fields.

Strange lights on moon. Astronauts reported object 25,000 mph heading to moon emitting radio signals.

Moon base.
Photographer "discovered a base on the back side of the moon, geometrical shapes/towers, spherical buildings, tall towers at radar dishes. Some structures half a mile in size. Some look like cooling towers. Some are very straight and tall with flat roof. Some were round and domed structures and new UFOs get airbrushed out. (Not a base, but it's an entrance to the moon)

The moonsters
reptilian headquarters. Also have interdimensional portal that allows fourth density reptilians to enter third density. Then via spacecraft/teleport-still cocooned from third density, two locations under the Earth. The third density reptilians are part of this too. Genetic manipulation experiments with abductees, also genetically manipulated royal bloodlines at the moon.

Monarchy/moonarchy.


The fake moon landing
secret government including ex-Nazis longer have access to flying saucer technology.

The first moon landing was a total fraud. An Exposé says Kubrick directed the 1969 moon landings in a studio. Kennedy was shown flying saucer technology after his election and realise potential for other uses i.e. cheap benign energy for everyone. Soon after JFK made a speech asking NASA to land a man on the moon before the decade was out-ploy to get them to release technology to fulfil the vision.

In return Kubrick negotiated unlimited budget for 2001 space Odyssey (and allowed to make any film he wants with no oversight). Same special effects and visual anomalies seen in moon landings and space Odyssey.
Long list of contradictions in lighting etc. He purposely included anomalies so the truth would later be uncovered.

Kubrick died in 1999 after showing 'eyes wide shut'to Warner Brothers. Tom Cruise/Kidman-story of Satanic mind control. Film release date was 16th of July 1999-30 years to the day after moon landing.
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When the investigator mentions the studies done on moon rocks ,can he be certain they are really moon rocks ? How can he be 100% sure.

We can never know the truth about the moon .We can only have a choice of many different beliefs about the moon.

The sun maybe a spaceship or a lost city now i could search and read lots of stories and books that support this ,and in doing this, program my subconscious to believe the sun really is alost city.

Who can argue with me or prove other wise?

Lets be honest with our selves . We dont know where the moon came from ,we dont know where the sun came from, we dont know where mars came from,we dont know where pluto came from.

But in the future when the conspiracy industry needs more material to sell to the truth consumers these books will come out.
You cant argue with maths. Look at mine an Indolering's posts and look at the strange dimensions of the moon - Id like to hear what you think.
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Good interview with David about the moon.



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It's my understanding that the moon's density is agreed upon by scientists, 60% of Earth's density. As far as I know, the only explanation for this which makes sense is that large portions of the interior are hollow.


from Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon:
"In 1962, Dr. Gordon McDonald, a leading scientist at NASA, published a report in the July issue of ŒAstronautics.¹ In it he stated that, according to an analysis of the Moon¹s motion, it appears that the Moon is hollow: ŒIf the astronomical data are reduced, it is found that the data require that the interior of the Moon be less dense than the outer parts. Indeed, it would seem that the Moon is more like a hollow than a homogenous sphere.¹ Œ¹Astronautics¹ magazine‹July, 1962 issue.)
NOTE: The importance of this is immediately seen if one considers the possibility that our Moon is an artificial satellite. Another important question also comes to mind: Could the method used to analyze the Moon¹s motion be applied to the Earth¹s motion as well, to determine if it, also, is hollow? Scientists have never had the opportunity to study Earth from a distance, thus making the carrying out of such observations impossible. But from orbiting space-stations (like the Soviet ŒMir¹ station), these studies would be QUITE possible to carry out. If this has not already been done, (and realizing how much our government really tells the public, it probably HAS been), it SHOULD be, and SOON!
This would add another LARGE piece of evidence in the already PONDEROUS case in favor of the Hollow Earth Theory. In fact, the more one studies our mysterious Moon, the more light is thrown onto the Hollow Earth Theory as well." ~p.72.


I'm led to believe there are other motion studies though I have not found any references for them.

The seismic studies also indicate a hollow sphere with a rigid internal structure which, when struck, acted like a huge gong, vibrating for hours. This evidence is also presented in the same book.

If you have evidence contradicting these findings, I'd like to see them. Thanks for your interest.
The moon is indeed less dense than the Earth, but that does not imply that the moon is hollow, merely that the materials from which it is constructed are less dense overall. It is qute possible, as on earth, to have dense cores and less dense outer crusts.

The seismic data from the moon support anything but a hollow moon. As we know how seismic waves propagate on earth, and how different materials affect that propagation, we can infer the interior structure of the moon by the way that lunar quake waves behave.

The whole 'ringing like a bell' thing is misleading, and does not imply hollow.

This report contains a wealth of data;

http://scripts.mit.edu/~paleomag/art...zorek_etal.pdf

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The lunar seismic signals were found to differ from terrestrial ones in their anomalously long continuance and high frequency content. For instance, the signal from the S-IVB impact continued for up to 4 hours. First arrivals typically are small, with slowly building amplitudes obscuring much of the information usually present in terrestrial seismograms. These characteristics are believed to be due to intense scattering in the highly heterogeneous and
porous lunar regolith coupled with a low level of attenuation.
In words it is the less dense upper part of the lunar crust that causes the longer vibrarion period, not a hollow interior. The report also details a nubmer of 'discontuinities' at different depths. This is not where a signal stops, but where the nature of a signal changes.

See also:

http://www.ipgp.fr/~wieczor/MyPapers...t_etal2006.pdf

http://www.eos.ubc.ca/~cjohnson/CJPAPERS/paper21.pdf

This is perhaps a less technical read:

http://www.ipgp.fr/~wieczor/MyPapers/Wieczorek_2009.pdf

and this is less technical still:

http://dps.aas.org/files/lunarcore.pdf

The interesting thing about the quote in 'Our mysterious spaceship moon' is that if you google it, you only ever see it referenced on conspiracy.fringe science/hollow moon websites. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that it is probably misquoting someone!
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What an awesome subject. What I say is can anyone prove it's not a spaceship? we only have Nasa's say, and we all know what that's worth. I found it quite interesting what Michael Tsarion had to say about the moon in this video - about 7.20 into video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yNIsCHRc2Mhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yNIsCHRc2M

He talks about the moon being a magnetic key or lock. And the true star-gate, and why earth is in quarantine.
Food for thought!
Michael Tsarion claims John Dee was head of MI5 and that he signed all his letters to the Queen with the letters 007.

Sounds like horse manure to me. I've checked out a few letters from John Dee to the Queen and there's no 007 whatsoever.

John Dee (1537-1609), the mathematician, astrologer and consultant to Queen Elizabeth, wrote a letter to the Queen on the occasion of the defeat of the Armada.
http://zephyr.nsysu.edu.tw/prof_so/T...John%20Dee.jpg

Most conspiracy theorists are all the same. They simply repeat the same BS like a mantra and the idiotic sheep believe it wholeheartedly without checking out the facts themselves. If they did, they'd know it's all BS.
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You cant argue with maths. Look at mine an Indolering's posts and look at the strange dimensions of the moon - Id like to hear what you think.
I'm still waiting for some conspiracy theorist to write a book claiming that Aliens brought the sun to this solar system and put it exactly in the right place so that life on Earth could thrive.
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I'm still waiting for some conspiracy theorist to write a book claiming that Aliens brought the sun to this solar system and put it exactly in the right place so that life on Earth could thrive.


Actually my mate larry from the gym is a reptilian and he can remember helping putting the sun in a place.

He also told me it took a bout a thousand of them to spin the earth around he said this is what killed the dinasaurs.
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LOL! When it comes to conspiracy theories, it sounds as good as any other theory I've heard.
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Well i think that sun is a giant hexagon and is washing out minds out.

David check that thing out ( im serious)


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The moon is indeed less dense than the Earth, but that does not imply that the moon is hollow, merely that the materials from which it is constructed are less dense overall. It is qute possible, as on earth, to have dense cores and less dense outer crusts.

The seismic data from the moon support anything but a hollow moon. As we know how seismic waves propagate on earth, and how different materials affect that propagation, we can infer the interior structure of the moon by the way that lunar quake waves behave.

The whole 'ringing like a bell' thing is misleading, and does not imply hollow.

This report contains a wealth of data;

http://scripts.mit.edu/~paleomag/art...zorek_etal.pdf



In words it is the less dense upper part of the lunar crust that causes the longer vibrarion period, not a hollow interior. The report also details a nubmer of 'discontuinities' at different depths. This is not where a signal stops, but where the nature of a signal changes.

See also:

http://www.ipgp.fr/~wieczor/MyPapers...t_etal2006.pdf

http://www.eos.ubc.ca/~cjohnson/CJPAPERS/paper21.pdf

This is perhaps a less technical read:

http://www.ipgp.fr/~wieczor/MyPapers/Wieczorek_2009.pdf

and this is less technical still:

http://dps.aas.org/files/lunarcore.pdf

The interesting thing about the quote in 'Our mysterious spaceship moon' is that if you google it, you only ever see it referenced on conspiracy.fringe science/hollow moon websites. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that it is probably misquoting someone!
The moon is indeed less dense than Earth, much less, almost by half! This certainly does indicate that the moon may be cavernous within. Further, the moon apparently has only a small core which could not account for the discrepancy of density.

The seismic data shows that the vibrations traveled to a depth of 20-25 miles, and traveled extensively across the surface; vibrations were detected over a hundred miles from the point of impact, whereas on Earth, similar vibrations travel only a few miles or so. Moreover, the speed at which these vibrations travel are consistent with the speed through which vibrations travel through most metals. It's extremely unlikely that lunar regolith would carry vibrations at that velocity. These facts indicate that there is a large metallic component to the near surface structure of the moon, which accords with the soviet theory which postulates a metallic hull.

The 'ringing' aspect of the seismic data is only misleading if one posits an earth-like planetoid; the ringing aspect completely supports the idea of a cavernous interior with a metallic hull.

The articles you linked are indeed technical, but I waded through most of it. As I expected, they all begin with the assumption that the moon was formed by the accretion of debris from an impact with the Earth by a giant meteor or planetoid. This basic assumption, supported by NASA, has been shown to be if not impossible, then highly unlikely. The age and composition of lunar rocks and dirt mitigate against it also. This theory was essentially abandoned decades ago when Apollo data first came in. But NASA, desperate for a theory of its origin resurrected it, Frankenstein-style and stitched it back together. They then came up with the idea of a magma ocean, meaning, I guess, that most of the accreted material was melted...it's all so hodge-podge, slapped together nonsense, I can't understand that many scientists actually fall for this stuff. Like it or not, the soviet theory is the only theory to date which reasonably accounts for the data. Tweak and digitize the 40 year old data any way you like, it doesn't change the original signals or the composition of lunar material.

Finally, when NASA can explain even a few of the incredible statistics associated with Luna, then I will take notice. How about you, MF? Any explanation for the pure metallic iron which does not rust? How about the identical seismic signals recorded periodically over ten years...? There's nothing 'natural' about those facts. Only the soviet theory can account for them.
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Jim Marrs has also dug up some interesting facts abuout the moon being hollow and artificial.
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