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Old 11-02-2019, 02:41 PM   #41
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how could it be when i already told you that i am opposed to the people that want to justify their right to do that?

I'm the guy on the jury who is going to see you released for self-defence

so can you find that common ground and agree you would protect your family?

last try here....lets see if you can do it...
But you're the only person threatening me at present.
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Old 11-02-2019, 02:42 PM   #42
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But you're the only person threatening me at present.
no what i said is that some people will use extreme force to protect their families from attack by malevolent forces. Why would you feel threatened if you are not one of those malevolent forces?

there ARE people threatening you through their ideological drives and i am exposing those

clearly you are not willing to find common ground or mutual understanding...

these are dark times indeed
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Old 11-02-2019, 02:47 PM   #43
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no what i said is that some people will use extreme force to protect their families from attack by malevolent forces

there ARE people threatening you through their ideological drives and i am exposing those

clearly you are not willing to find common ground or mutual understanding...

these are dark times indeed
Yeah, but that's the difference between spirituality and the occult. With the occult you imagine future stuff and try to influence it, based on fear. With spirituality you live in the present and deal with the present. No fear. Just a realisation that the present is all there is.
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Old 11-02-2019, 02:50 PM   #44
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Yeah, but that's the difference between spirituality and the occult. With the occult you imagine future stuff and try to influence it, based on fear. With spirituality you live in the present and deal with the present. No fear. Just a realisation that the present is all there is.
so why would you feel fear of being threatened if you are not one of the malevolent forces?
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Old 11-02-2019, 02:51 PM   #45
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so why would you feel fear of being threatened if you are not one of the malevolent forces?
Do I look like I fear being threatened? Am I not talking to you despite your threats?
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Old 11-02-2019, 02:53 PM   #46
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Do I look like I fear being threatened? Am I not talking to you despite your threats?
but i didn't threaten you

i said some people will defend their families from malevolent forces

you then said you were being threatened which implies that you see yourself as one of the malevolent forces

so for example there were labour politicians who supported PIE who wanted to lower the age of consent

how do you feel about that?
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Old 11-02-2019, 02:54 PM   #47
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but i didn't threaten you

i said some people will defend their families from malevolent forces

you then said you were being threatened which implies that you see yourself as one of the malevolent forces

so for example there were labour politicians who supported PIE who wanted to lower the age of consent

how do you feel about that?
You can lie about it all you like. There is no reason for you to have replied to my first post in this thread in the way that you did if it wasn't directed at me.
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Old 11-02-2019, 02:56 PM   #48
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You can lie about it all you like. There is no reason for you to have replied to my first post in this thread in the way that you did if it wasn't directed at me.
i haven't lied

i have repeatedly asked you to tell us your views on things

for some inexplicable reason you have constantly refused to state your position
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Old 11-02-2019, 02:57 PM   #49
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i haven't lied

i have repeatedly asked you to tell us your views on things

for some inexplicable reason you have constantly refused to state your position
No, you are creating narrative all by yourself and attempting to embroil me in it. I'm simply not taking the bait.
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Old 11-02-2019, 03:01 PM   #50
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No, you are creating narrative all by yourself and attempting to embroil me in it. I'm simply not taking the bait.
no you are being cagey because you have consistently across many threads and debates sided with the various planks of the rothschild cabal agenda

i have told you in this thread that the reason some people want to argue that morality is subjective is because then it takes the brakes off their behaviour

It then allows them to behave how they like

So psychopaths for example will embrace dog eat dog creedos such as 'do as thou wilt' because they want to be able to behave how they want to behave without any moral impediment

In fact they reason that because they are 'strong' enough to get away with the behaviour that they want to carry out that it is in fact the fault of the victim for being weak

I'm saying that you want to open up a pandoras box that then leads society down a very dark path
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Old 11-02-2019, 03:05 PM   #51
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no you are being cagey because you have consistently across many threads and debates sided with the various planks of the rothschild cabal agenda

i have told you in this thread that the reason some people want to argue that morality is subjective is because then it takes the brakes off their behaviour

It then allows them to behave how they like

So psychopaths for example will embrace dog eat dog creedos such as 'do as thou wilt' because they want to be able to behave how they want to behave without any moral impediment

In fact they reason that because they are 'strong' enough to get away with the behaviour that they want to carry out that it is in fact the fault of the victim for being weak

I'm saying that you want to open up a pandoras box that then leads society down a very dark path
And I'm saying that you are creating a subjective narrative.
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Old 11-02-2019, 03:07 PM   #52
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And I'm saying that you are creating a subjective narrative.
and i'm saying you are talking bunk

when you go to the shops to buy your food you don't eat it there in the aisles

you take it home. Some of it goes in the cupboard and some goes in the fridge for later

You do this because you know that you will be hungry in the future and that if you don't eat you will die

So you take action because you are afraid of starving to death in the future
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Old 11-02-2019, 03:12 PM   #53
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and i'm saying you are talking bunk

when you go to the shops to buy your food you don't eat it there in the aisles

you take it home. Some of it goes in the cupboard and some goes in the fridge for later

You do this because you know that you will be hungry in the future and that if you don't eat you will die

So you take action because you are afraid of starving to death in the future
There's a difference between practical living / planning and creating political narratives.

I'm saying that you are creating subjective narratives pertaining to me. "you are this, you are that, hypothetically what would you do", etc, etc.

None of that is real.

Anyways, I'm not against subjectivity if you learn from it. But you gotta see for yourself how you create the narratives in order to learn from it. Some self scrutiny.
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Old 11-02-2019, 03:14 PM   #54
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There's a difference between practical living / planning and creating political narratives.

I'm saying that you are creating subjective narratives pertaining to me. "you are this, you are that, hypothetically what would you do", etc, etc.

None of that is real.

Anyways, I'm not against subjectivity if you learn from it. But you gotta see for yourself how you create the narratives in order to learn from it. Some self scrutiny.
no i asked you to tell us what you are

you refused

this then leaves us only your behaviour and arguments and viewpoints to go on

however having debated with you now since 2014 i have a lot of information to go on

lets see if we can find any common ground

where do you stand on vaccines for example?
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no i asked you to tell us what you are

you refused

this then leaves us only your behaviour and arguments and viewpoints to go on

however having debated with you now since 2014 i have a lot of information to go on

lets see if we can find any common ground

where do you stand on vaccines for example?
What I am? Heck! I don't know.

Vaccines are things developed to create immunities to disease. Or so I'm told. I'm also told that they are an evil plot to genocide people.
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What I am? Heck! I don't know.
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Vaccines are things developed to create immunities to disease. Or so I'm told. I'm also told that they are an evil plot to genocide people.
uh huh

but what is your subjective viewpoint on them?

jeez its like getting blood from a stone!
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sure you do



uh huh

but what is your subjective viewpoint on them?

jeez its like getting blood from a stone!
My subjective viewpoint is that I can read 100 pro vaccine articles and a 100 anti vaccine articles and.......

a) I would probably feel none the wiser as to having a viewpoint from a whole bunch of stuff that I would have been told and not experienced first hand with any real knowledge of the subject and that I've wasted my time.

b) I would probably surmise that there are people on both sides of the debate that embroil themselves in the debate so as to fill their time, because they have a vested (or otherwise) interest in doing so.

c) I would probably also surmise that iamawaveofthesea is attempting to make some dumb political point about my not having an interest in it, and that he blindly believes stuff he is told, whereas I do not.
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My subjective viewpoint is that I can read 100 pro vaccine articles and a 100 anti vaccine articles and.......

a) I would probably feel none the wiser as to having a viewpoint from a whole bunch of stuff that I would have been told and not experienced first hand with any real knowledge of the subject and that I've wasted my time.

b) I would probably surmise that there are people on both sides of the debate that embroil themselves in the debate so as to fill their time, because they have a vested (or otherwise) interest in doing so.

c) I would probably also surmise that iamawaveofthesea is attempting to make some dumb political point about my not having an interest in it, and that he blindly believes stuff he is told, whereas I do not.
right so what you are doing is refusing to take a position on it

ok you are sitting at home. The letter box bangs and some mail drops through the door

you go and you pick it up. One of the letters is from the government. It says that they are going to be pushing through a new vaccination drive involving some new combined vaccines and that all school children who attend state schools will need to receive the vaccinations or they will not be able to continue attending state school

your child is at state school and therefore will have to receive the vaccinations

what do you do?
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right so what you are doing is refusing to take a position on it

ok you are sitting at home. The letter box bangs and some mail drops through the door

you go and you pick it up. One of the letters is from the government. It says that they are going to be pushing through a new vaccination drive involving some new combined vaccines and that all school children who attend state schools will need to receive the vaccinations or they will not be able to continue attending state school

your child is at state school and therefore will have to receive the vaccinations

what do you do?
I don't have a child of that age.
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Old 11-02-2019, 03:42 PM   #60
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I don't have a child of that age.
no but you did and there are parents around the world that are now having to face these sorts of situations

so i'm asking you how you feel about these issues

do you support the pressure on parents to vaccinate or do you disagree with it?

For example do you think that vaccines cause 'non specific' effects and that those effects are not being studied?

if they are not being studied then we cannot make a judgment on the benefit to cost ratio can we?
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