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Old 04-10-2009, 10:44 AM   #41
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Michael Jackson Gangstalking-Murder Conspiracy
Submitted Monday, August 24, 2009

"Don't leave me, they're trying to kill me" - Michael Jackson to a close friend.

What was really behind the sudden untimely death of Michael Jackson at age 50?

Looking at Michael's life history and the media, it could be explained by drugs or stress, and it appears he did not have his health, but did The King of Pop expect to die?

I stand by the claim that Michael Jackson was in fact intentionally murdered, only days away from embarking on, what looked like would be, his last overseas tour.

There are very clear indicators that the perpetrators belong to a gangstalking group, and the murder weapons were DEW: Directed Energy Weapons technology.

Throughout his entire public and personal life Michael was a target of this hidden evil, called gangstalking, which is particularly crawling and prevalent in California.

Perhaps the only time Michael may have experienced some respite from gangstalking may have been whenever he stayed in non-Western countries such as in the Mid-East.

The West was out to destroy - as well as mercilessly take advantage of - Michael in every possible way: spiritually, psychologically, emotionally, socially, reputationally, financially, and physically.

The world may at last have a chance to wake up and realize the existence of the disturbing truth that gangstalking, may be happening to you or someone you love, and you may not even realize it.

The international covert gangstalking system needs to be collapsed and now is as good a time as any to expose it and educate everyone.

Whilst I myself am not subjected to the untold terrors of DEW, I am one of millions of TI's: Targeted Individuals, subjected to covert gangstalking - organized stalking of one individual by more than one person.

However I truly believe and support other TI's who are 'held to ransom' through gangstalking, as well as suffering DEW, technology of which I am still trying to grasp a fuller understanding of.

Having gained much insight from being a TI myself, as well as from reading legitimate contributions from others, there were numerous signs plainly showing me that Michael was a TI of this often intricate type of crime.

Trying to 'connect the dots' as to who instigated or requested the gangstalking activity, and the plot to cut Michael's life shockingly short, and why, proves much more extensive.

It is highly probable that gangstalking is related to another seemingly elusive and elaborate conspiracy, involving the creation of a 'New World Order', of which Michael was most likely aware of, and probably more than most.

Michael was one of many targets around the world subjected to continually sustained intense gangstalking in an attempt to weaken him, and which also involved DEW, finally resulting in his early death.

The goal from the start would have been to eliminate Michael's considerable power, prestige, influence, and of course, his vast fortune.

His sister La Toya Jackson claimed from day one that during his last days alive, particularly since becoming committed to his final tour, she saw Michael surrounded by a bad crowd of shadowy hangers-on who were preying on his compassionate nature.

These vipers quite overtly were treating her 'meek, quiet, loving' brother highly inappropriately, and they did not seem to care about his welfare but were putting him at risk, in fact conspiring to bring about his death.

As for the rehearsals required of Michael, according to accounts, until his final 2 weeks Michael did his best to avoid and was nervous about attending them.

This strengthens the assertion that Michael was crucified over a period of years, to eventually be killed before his time in a premeditated murder, by gangstalking members who have been sworn and bound to secrecy.

In the days shortly before his death Michael feared his life was in danger, telling people close to him that 'they' were trying to murder him.

This is quite the revelation, judging by voice-mails dated from when he was living in Las Vegas, released post-death to the media by his former manager.

In these messages Michael is recorded as saying he cannot sleep, that he is 'very concerned' for his safety and that of his family's, and 'we are being stalked'.

There is much to prove that 'they' were the 'shadowy entourage' whom La Toya spoke of - and the 'leeches' who, as his ex-wife Lisa Marie Presley said, 'always managed to magnetize around him'.

Michael told loved ones that he would, some day, end up like Elvis, and that this is 'inevitable'.

The equally famous Princess Diana was a close confidant of Michael's for a good decade until her death, and he said they had a similar understanding, and she 'knew what it was like to be hunted, like I am hunted'.

Some think that in the end he came to realize he was worth more dead than alive, and while renting at what was to be his final home, Michael was taking precautions from allowing his drinks to be spiked.

With his murder likely having been planned for years, and with Michael reportedly living in fear of his life for the last two years, he figured that once he was dead 'they' could somehow gain access to his money or assets.

Michael felt they were after his music catalog, the Northern ATV catalog which he had invested in the mid-80's, and which had proven a successful and lucrative deal over the years.

With the large following he garnered, starting with Motown and following on with his successful solo career - and with his business nous - Michael became increasingly independent.

His music style gradually moved on from themes like lust - or the occult - which as Michael said in his disclaimer to Thriller 'in no way endorses a belief in the occult', being a Jehovah Witness at the time.

Instead, Michael broke through more barriers with his songwriting and music, which began to fully embody the virtues of love, compassion, peace, harmony, uniting people of all races, and charity.

However Michael very soon would have to withstand many continuous attempts, none of them at all random or merely coincidence, over his career and with his large fan-base, to bring him to an early demise.

So was it race, religion, a grudge, detesting Michael's enormous influence, an attempt to obtain his money, perhaps even a political assassination, or a show of power... or even all of the above?

There may have been a collaboration of more than one entity with untoward interests in bringing Michael down, and maybe more than just the plundering of Michael's fortune, as a motive for his murder.

Michael increasingly spoke out or became embroiled in disputes, against certain corporations and personalities, in his search for the truth and as to the enormous 'conspiracy all around' him.

Michael had spoken in the past, and probably was about to speak out again on a public platform, about some 'thing' of which he had 'already said too much' about.

Perhaps he was for a long time a major threat to 'their' power structure, or maybe not 'allowed' to leave or reject some type of 'deal' for which he had no other option.

Then again maybe the early demise of Michael is due to 'destiny', he was on a train he could not get off of, and there was nothing he did during his career, or could do, that influenced or changed this fate.

One thing we are already certain of at least, is that Michael's murder was a well-executed and planned, highly organized crime.

The following are - by no means exhaustive - many examples of the tactics used against Michael Jackson, by at least several different gangstalking cells, that we are aware of through observation or news accounts.

These are easily identified as being classic gangstalking methods, and in Michael's case these tactics have been used very publicly, both persistently over many years, or more recently right up to his final moments:

* Isolating Michael from any support networks, family or friends, through disconnecting or not notifying him of phone messages, and keeping his family away;

* Mysteriously firing his loyal employees, or rehiring previously dismissed employees, in the weeks surrounding his death;

* Assigning to him an unknown group of minders, enablers, and entourage, before his tour, as well as hiring his physician, through the promoter - to infiltrate his life, and gain intimate access to him;

* Attempting to create psychological stressors through crowd-swarming, mobbing, blocking his way, and violating his personal space;

* Constantly hounding, filming, and following him everywhere in groups by foot or vehicle, likely appearing as paparazzi;

* Surveillance 24/7 is a given, being an essential part of most gangstalking programs - to monitor his whereabouts at all times in a temporary LA residency, rented by the promoter - where perpetrators knew exactly where he was staying;

* Creating gigantic debts and generating financial oppression through any of the numerous false law-suits, as well as through the enormous insurance put up for his liability in completing the grueling upcoming tour;

* Using debts and suits as excuses to harass, disrespect, victimize, use aggression, and disturb his life-style, forcing him into a type of refugee status, leaving him uncomfortable;

* Imposing themselves as 'advisor's' and bankers in influencing major decisions such as with his estate or will, with the potential of even forging signatures, or altering and declaring false financial values in documents like appraisals;

* Wresting control over his financial situation, outside of his authority, and after likely illegal financial surveillance over the course of his career;

* Systematically subjected to stealing through extortion attempts, lawsuits, and in all probability, opportunely deceitful accounting practices, in a campaign to ruin him or seize his assets, acquire some of his jet-set lifestyle;

* Removing thousands of personal items and memorabilia from his unresided Neverland property without permission, announcing they were to be auctioned off - and declaring his ranch for sale last year, most assuredly to cause him destabilization;

* Forcing his requirement to undertake taxing rehearsals, for an extensive world tour which was controlled by others, and which was not of his own choice to do - with him having previously refused many proposals since 2005 to do another tour;

* Dishonoring or breaching legal contracts, and likely other such malpractice, which may include the overnight changing of his tour list to 50 concerts in departure to his agreement with the promoters to do only 10;

* Disrespecting his supreme decision-making authority in his personal or professional undertakings, such as orchestrating overtly demanding work schedules so he is unavailable to his family;

* Arranging for a range of strong addictive drugs to be served or offered to him even if not requested and encouraging it, while he would really prefer to have his wits about him - in order to control, manipulate, and harm him;

* Organizing frame-ups and set-ups, to place him in compromising situations - perhaps talking him into holding some 'sleepovers' or giving other bad advice - so it looks like it was child molestation;

* Planting of a wide range of drugs to make it appear like a self-inflicted drug-overdose, as well as the opportune theft of at least $2million in jewels and cash at his death;

* Saturating the media and internet with fabricated news and disinformation, 'true' documentaries and movies, angled interviews, and dubious unauthorized books and biographies - to illustrate what they want the public to believe happened, and to deflect attention from the murderers;

* Violating personal boundaries through humiliating, abusing, or ridiculing him during physical searches, and including apparent brutality, in an attempt to cause traumatization;

* International-scale public character assassination over many years, continually repeated to the point that the tarnish on his reputation might become believable;

* Successfully creating a negative stigma surrounding his good name and charitable works, to cause him alienation or turn the community against him;

* Cultivating an ongoing stream of false rumors, slander, and defamation, such as with the allegations of serial child molestation over the last decade and a half, with its court trials, 'testimonies', and entrapments;

* Exaggeration of his 'eccentricities' and individuality through media manipulation and planting false stories of 'deviant' activity and craziness - even posthumously;

* Career sabotage, where he truly believed his post-millennium album Invincible, was deliberately under-marketed in the States;

* Media and verbal accounts from 'authorities' or past 'associates' of his, making unsubstantiated claims that he was a drug abuser;

* Gossip media establishing not long before his passing, and trying to get the public used to the idea, that he was in poor health, 'broke', and even dying or suicidal;

* Bugging, property theft, 'intelligence' collection, and irrelevant personal-document seizes - being highly likely during any of the malicious illegal entries or official' searches into his private Neverland residence;

* And, the raids on his private property being timed for while he was out of the city such as when he was in Las Vegas, or even when out of the country such as during the second leg of his Dangerous tour in the summer of '93;
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Old 04-10-2009, 10:45 AM   #42
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Continued..........

I'm sure you will agree, all of the occurrences above have got to be only a small taste, of the many methods of cruelty used against Michael.

Along with these there is the very high likelihood, supported with substantial scientific evidence, that gangstalkers and their associates took part together in killing Michael through covert means:

* Engaging the use of 'through-wall' non-lethal DEW to remotely trigger health problems, continually keep him awake, or cause bodily pains;

* Pain and insomnia caused from the DEW genuinely requiring a temporary need for powerful, known to be physiologically damaging, sedative drug relief, with its incumbent often overwhelming side-effects;

* Probably had received threats, or intimidation and menacing comments, to produce fear and keep him awake - a highly used tactic of perpetrators;

* And, a highly concentrated application of lethal DEW to harm him physically and fatally.

Now declassified Directed Energy Weapons are virtually untraceable, and even medical professionals rarely find any tangible evidence of their use against the individual target.

The target themselves may not even be aware the mysterious illnesses come from outside of their body.

I understand this advanced warfare is found in the military and in government research or intelligence networks, and have been utilized or obtained by criminal elements who are illegally attacking innocent civilians with it.

Some of these devices can even be made at home in the garage.

I am still trying to learn about the scope of their existence, and as to the variety, type, and portability of such weapons, and whether they are mainly enormous in size, or if some can be much smaller.

These weapons of pain and suffering are operated silently and invisibly from a distance, while zeroing in on and affecting a person physically, triggering a myriad of health problems over a period of time.

Such health problems covertly caused from the use of DEW, and other such 'experimental' electromagnetic weapons and microwave radiation, can include:

* Unexplained and excruciating pains, skin burns;

* Prick marks in various locations;

* Dizziness;

* Exhaustion, weakness, fatigue;

* Lung infections;

* Health degradation, environmental illnesses, allergies;

* Heating or 'cooking' of the body, dehydration;

* Changes to the central nervous system;

* Jolt a person suddenly to make them collapse;

* Trigger cancers, including of the skin;

* Noise harassment, such as ringing in the ears;

* Induce heart palpitations, strokes, cardiac arrest, or a heart attack;

* and, Cause an inability to sleep.

Many weapons are inevitably or intentionally fatal, some bringing about death for the target through stimulating a heart attack or cardiac arrest, from using precisely aimed radiated energy.

Michael displayed classic hallmarks of being subjected to more than one silent strike from these weapons, or complained of such symptoms, proving their use against him.

This included: feeling 'hot on one side' of his body and 'cold on the other', exhaustion, needle marks found over his body, dehydration, unforeseen collapses on several separate occasions, as well as physical pains, and continually not being able to sleep.

That's right, Michael was subjected to DEW - which equals torture and slow murder!

This covert method of murder is conducted slowly over time, with perpetrators operating the weapons and other nefarious activities, from vans disguised as legitimate businesses.

They may also operate from neighboring buildings, and even from the room next door, all of this ensuring there are no witnesses to its effects, and the unsuspecting majority of the public remain unaware a murder is taking place.

All this technology sounds like something from Star Trek - the likes of ray guns, x-ray vision, laser weapons, and psychic phenomena.

However similar weapons do exist, or are said to exist, are available to criminal gangstalking groups, and can really go through walls!

For those who are aware of these practices the crime was a thinly disguised murder.

This was merely a cover-up that included the creation of several attempted false leads, such as the apparent planting and 'ingestion' of numerous drugs, or his so-called many prescriptions taken under several other staffers' names - in fact the perpetrators themselves were probably using illicit drugs.

He had said he was against drugs, and any legal drugs requested by Michael himself during his high-profile career would have been temporary, and for legitimate physical reasons.

For example, Michael had to use sedatives after his scalp was, apparently accidentally, painfully burnt during a Pepsi commercial filmed in the early 80's.

Michael's pain from covert weapons attacks, would have also been joined with the emotional pain of having others' actively mistreating him, and perhaps also anxiety about not knowing what will happen next.

I believe Michael did not have an addictive personality and instead believe he was very strong, and even if he needed medication to cope, he could be forgiven it as an understandable reaction to the strange and demoralizing situational abuse he suffered.

The murderers would have been able to maximize on his alleged 'illicit substance abuse', by really using drugs to kill Michael, then covering it up by making it look self-inflicted.

Then there is Michael's physician Dr Murray, assigned to him by the tour promoter, who was likely a pawn.

Postmortem speculation situated on further considering whether Michael had died in his bed or in fact somewhere else, how many minutes or even hours had he in reality been dead for, and the length of time it took to call the authorities.

Michael's final rental home was huge and there were many, many people coming and going out of his house, most of whom were apparently working for the star.

To ensure Michael didn't survive to leave for his tour, the perpetrators might have held him down and force fed him a cocktail of dangerous drugs, in combination with the DEW.

There may have been cell-phone jamming devices in use, while they definitely would have used radio air-wave readers, to listen in to emergency calls remotely so they can anticipate and cover their tracks.

There is likely no charging the real killers, who will have appeared innocent to outsiders with their false public fronts, looking like people who were employed to 'help' Michael.

This group of seemingly unrelated 'witnesses' to the scene would be readily available to vouch for each other with believable alibi's.

These very witnesses I personally believe are really joined together as part of an organized stalking group, and in Michael's final moments they finalized their strangle-hold, deliberately pooling together all their best efforts to murder him.

I am certain that besides Michael's physician and children, some of the only other people inside as well as in the vicinity outside of his home in the hours leading up to his death, included his killers.

His killers would have cooperation from some collaborating members of the authorities, even from some in the legal fraternity, from planted or coerced insiders, or with intelligence collected from contacts of Michael's.

I believe his killers may have loitered near the scene of the crime, even outside Michael's memorial, and then his private interment, probably disguised as anything from media to furniture removers.

As for the perpetrators directly contracted to kill him, besides some or all members of his entourage, my suspicions extend also to some members of the LA police and fire departments, and paramedics, who were present and surrounding Michael at the time of the 'desperate' attempts made to 'resuscitate him'.

This illegal, well-organized, and financed activity of gangstalking, is not only happening to high-profile celebrities either, but to all kinds of people from every background.

It is difficult to comprehend why perpetrators would carry out gangstalking activity, covertly on innocent people all over the world, or have a 'need' to cut the targets' life short.

If some perpetrators take part in this evil charade, perhaps it is because they've become entrapped within some type of mob - where they either willingly signed up to be involved in some clandestine activity, or most likely had been tricked into thinking they would be carrying out good work.

Some or all of them believed they would take part in important top-secret missions as spies, while they've been brainwashed or as has been suggested, even hypnotized.

Then once the perpetrators have been threatened themselves, or involved in a murder, then they may be in too deep to leave.

Trained gangstalking perpetrators could well pose as security guards, assistants, cable men, plumbers, or even occasionally, as intimate acquaintances.

They are all mixed in together amongst genuine employees and the normal public, to barely be regarded with much suspicion.

I am saying that, in reality there weren't many, if anyone, whom Michael could trust, even if he thought he could - that the conspiracy against him involved many years of torture and a good many number of people spread throughout many sectors of society - and that, yes, this was an 'inside job'.

The concept of gangstalking is difficult for many non-targets to fathom or even be bothered by, because of the impossibility that there could be such a large number of people all in on it, all keeping this secret, and keeping up an act.

Gangstalking is of a high occurrence in Hollywood and LA, where many perpetrators or operatives would include the monied, with connections to secretive, or criminal organizations.

Undoubtedly, there will also be the involvement of unknown actors, posing as if they come from a totally different background, in order to leave false trails by placing suspicion onto a completely different group or entity.

Many theorists like myself believe there is a global conspiracy involving a powerful and rich 'elite' whose agenda, mostly unknown by the world at large, is to create a New World Order in order to gain domination over the world.

With their financial hold, they are able to fund incredibly large-scale ambitions, and pull the strings behind the powerhouses of the world, using covert methods and activities like mind-control, the influence of satanism and occultism, and 'divide and rule'.

This elite I believe aims to consolidate and control all of the world's governments, finance, health, military, large corporations, the entertainment industry, space research, universities, and the media, using evil means to fulfill an ultimately evil end.

I personally have no doubt that this is true and if Michael 'knew too much', or even, was some type of 'ritual sacrifice', then logic barely even registers as a motive for Michael's murder.

Many of the often faceless gangstalkers, planners, wranglers, surveillance scouts - and ultimately his murderers - would have been working behind or in conjunction with various front-organizations, personalities, informants, handlers, controllers, doctors, and disinformation agents.

Telling everyone the TI is a child molester is historically a highly popular and effective gangstalking tactic, in terms of trying to discredit a target before the population, so no one will listen to them but will refrain from supporting them.

At the same time the gangstalkers are deceiving, bribing, or threatening the targets' loved ones, peers, colleagues, or friends, to turn away from helping the TI.

This could include how La Toya felt she was forced by her former manager, to imply her brother was a child molester in her autobiography, when his initial allegations came out.

The Living with Michael Jackson documentary, which Michael understandably was betrayed by, is one example of distorted journalistic reporting.

The much anticipated show seemed to have been intentionally edited and reconstructed to falsely portray his life from a very suggestive sinister angle.

Gangstalkers punish every little 'victory' a target has during their tribulations.

Several authoritative personalities failed to have Michael found guilty on false charges of molestation, more than once over the second half of his career, including when allegations first surfaced in the early '90's.

It has been suggested that any of the children at the center of the allegations could have been positioned as false 'victims', and afterwards given a type of truth serum known to produce false memories of being abused.

Since Michael's passing, the alleged victims have now come out saying that they were made to lie by the adults.

With just a little search on the internet, countless other examples of disinformation, as well as obvious occurrences of gangstalking activities used against the superstar, will be easy to come across.

After the surprise campaign, of 'lies' as Michael correctly called them, to demonize him, a group of conspirators using gangstalking techniques then planned to really kill Michael at their appointed time.

I am in no personal doubt as a lot of other TI's are, that the internationally famous and dogged star was a target and fatal victim to the murderous perpetrators of gangstalking.

Michael succumbed to an apparent cardiac arrest as a man alone, feeling unsafe, and surrounded by dedicated demonic agents of darkness.

This hero of our generation placed his purpose in God and The Lord used him for good, with his enormous talent, compassion, and gifting to many charities.

Michael showed an amazing perseverance, meekness, peacefulness in response to his accusers, and strength, during his persecution by gangstalking.

His strength remains a beacon of inspiration, confidence, and hope, to all civilian targets' of this criminal activity.

May his legacy continue through inspiring others to love people, the poor and downtrodden.

Rest in Peace Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009
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Old 08-10-2009, 10:57 PM   #43
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As always Giaschild your posts are brilliant and really informative. Also, just wanted to let everyone know if you don't already about the 'This Is Not It Campaign: http://this-is-not-it.proboards.com/index.cgi
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hello and thankyou Julia, and thank you for the link, I've also joined the "this is not it" campaign

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I discovered a few days ago that the This is not it campaign which was started by a follower fan just happens to be a JOURNALIST. No wonder it has hit the media. Why would a journalist be a follower fan, are they really a follower fan or a journalist posing as a follower fan to get to Michael. I guess it is possible to be a fan and a journalist, maybe I'm just too suspicious,but our perceptions are manipulated by the media

I was a little suspicious of this campaign simply because it seemed so professionally put together as if someone professional was behind it.

I can't help thinking if MIchael was murdered, this is not it campaign is a distraction from that.

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I discovered a few days ago that the This is not it campaign which was started by a follower fan just happens to be a JOURNALIST. No wonder it has hit the media. Why would a journalist be a follower fan, are they really a follower fan or a journalist posing as a follower fan to get to Michael. I guess it is possible to be a fan and a journalist, maybe I'm just too suspicious,but our perceptions are manipulated by the media

I was a little suspicious of this campaign simply because it seemed so professionally put together as if someone professional was behind it.

I can't help thinking if MIchael was murdered, this is not it campaign is a distraction from that.
I agree with you I feel in my heart Michael Jackson was murdered. I don't know what to make of the "follower fans" and Karen Faye. Why are the "follower fans" more special than MJ's many other fans?? How did they get into Michael's life??
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I have been researching MJs "death" for 4 months now, and I know he is still alive.

Like FrankdiLeo said recently on an interview "why would anybody wanna kill Michael? He is the sweetest most talented man alive ever"

No one would GAIN anything of it. Sony gets the Beatles catalogue, not MJs kids? How can Sony get back what's NOT THEIRS? Sorry, I am confused.

gaiaschild - can I ask you how you found of this is not it are journalists? do you know where they are from?

Those crazy followers have been stalking Michael, and messed up some of his formal charity stuff too in the past because they got so hysterical and injured him. I think its funny if they really care about MJ - why do they say NOTHING about the suspect - Dr Murray? Makes no sense. Karen Faye - is it really her? Then she must have some serious anger issues. She on FB posts hate msgs to all fans of MJ who for instance shared photos of MJs "grave" at Forest Lawn. As if she doesnt know internet is all public. And Karen is also dissing a lot of stuff on the THIS IS IT tour, workers, designers etc. And she got fired from Michael. So maybe she is bitter and crazy? Funny how she neither, just like the THIS IS NOT IT people, seem to say a word of hate then against Dr Murray, but to MJs fans on FB who share photos of MJ?!?

Kenny Ortega and Randy Philips - wow - I am speechless. They are liars yes but they love Michael so much. They are in on the death hoax. It's all a huge project, did you not see Larry Kings blog on "will Mj show up at his own premiere?" He is in on it, he and Jermaine talks about it every day and they slip up so often. Jermaine said on the premiere of THIS IS IT "this is not it. well it is IT, but there is so much more to come. this is NOT the final curtain call"

Different theories have come up lately on how Michael has created a virtual reality game, where players are involved.

And we know that Michael's dancers has moved to L.A. yeah, and working on a "secret" project.

You know Omar Bhatti, Michael's good friend? He told his friends that he could not say anything right now, but that things were not like they seemed. He then flew from Norway and back to LA - hanging out with Paris, Prince, and smiling so big.
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Only one of the this is it people is a journalist. The one who led the campaign. Some of the others are genuine follower fans, but I think they have been manipulated.

I don't think MJ is alive I would like too but I know he would not cause grief to his family fans and friends.

This would be an evil thing to do and it doesn't fit the spiritual side I see of Michael

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The charity stuff was messed up by deepak chopra daugher malika and employees who did not file tax returns and run charity properly. I believe the financial situation for Michael was created deliberately by the false allegations on Michael intended to destroy his career and force him to sell his half of his catelogue which was originally 100% his to Sony, but he refused.


The heal the kids charity, 100.000 dollars was stolen from it by Rabbi Schumely, this was all shortly before the allegations.

False allegations were made toward Michael to destroy his character and his spiritual message in his songs like heal the world the earth song. Michael was going to come back and he would have been able to pay off his debt to Sony . Michael was a global icon with a lot of influence around the globe and certain people in the world would benefit from him being dead. Especially when the NWO agenda is ready for final stages, they didn't want there plans delayed.

They are also using some symbolism in this is it movie too, that Michael would not have used. Advertising that Michael's message is being corrupted.

The will is fake. It does not have correct names of children. He was not in LA when it was supposed to be signed. If he hoaxed his death, he would at least have a genuine will, and I don't think John Branca would be executor. Frank Dileo is now on the board of Sony and he supposedly brought John Branca in. John Branca has a letter from Michael telling him he want him to handle his affairs 8 days before he died, Branca is a corrupt person who was working against Michael's financial interests, this info came out in the trials if you read the transcripts and Branca was fired, so I doubt very much Michael would have conveniently forgotten, that branca was conspiring against him

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No one would GAIN anything of it. Sony gets the Beatles catalogue, not MJs kids? How can Sony get back what's NOT THEIRS? Sorry, I am confused.
The catelogue was Michael's originally but now Sony own half. There were clauses over the catelogue that Michael signed, which Dick Gregory as his close friend has info on. After the concerts he would have been able to pay off Sony and be 100% in control of his catelogue. At present sony have 50%,if he hadn't died he would have got 100% control. I'm not even certain that MJ was killed for catelogue , but if he had 100% control of catelogue he would be the most powerful person in the music industry with a powerful spiritual message, This is why he was dangerous to them the powers that be it is multi faceted. Frank Dileo is now on board of Sony and he brought John Branca in. It is very complex. In my opinion he fits the same pattern as others that have mysteriously died when they have a similar spiritual message and they happen to be influential people.

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Kenny Ortega and Randy Philips - wow - I am speechless. They are liars yes but they love Michael so much. They are in on the death hoax. It's all a huge project, did you not see Larry Kings blog on "will Mj show up at his own premiere
Randy Phillips loathes Michael, have you heard his interview on Michael, calling him names and he imitated and belittled him on a recent interview . The man loathes MJ with a passion and MJ did not like Randy Phillips.

There is no evidence that Mj is alive and I know in my heart and spirit that he isn't

The hoax death stuff is just to distract, from his murder. It was a media company that set that up to see how easy it was for people to believe conspiracy theories, it is very clever too because then they throw all conspiracy theories including the genuine one into the same pot.

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I believe MJ is dead. I want him to be alive so badly but sadly I believe he is dead. What would his reasons be to fake his death? To get away from the lime light? To make money and get out of debt? To be No 1 artist in the world again with more fame? MJ wouldn't hurt his fans and let them down by doing a death hoax. MJ was murdered!!!!
Randy Phillips loathes Michael, have you heard his interview on Michael, calling him names and he imitated and belittled him on a recent interview . The man loathes MJ with a passion and MJ did not like Randy Phillips.
Randy Phillips is now spending a lot of time with MJ's kids this is VERY bad news!!!! Also Grace Rwaramba is back looking after MJ's kids the woman MJ sacked. I heard Grace Rwaramba is into 'Voodoo' and I don't trust her.
I don't trust Jermaine Jackson either.
Randy Jackson, La Toya, Joe Jackson and Karen Faye all pretty much say MJ was murdered.

The 'Michael Jackson Death Hoax' site. I am really not sure about who set that up and why??
How are the "Follower" fans being manipulated??
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Does this website still work: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/
I can't make the MJ hoax death website work?? Does it still work??
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People who wanna believe Michael is alive will believe that no matter how many sites on the web there is that are there for talking about this issue of if he hoaxed his death. There are rumours but nothing confirmed that the MJHD forum was owned by Sony and is now down because the fans got too close to the truth. It's only a rumour, and no one can prove it.

If Sony is behind that hoaxdeath forum that means they are also in control of all the dancers and people that worked for Michael then. These people tweet and blog about the weirdest things such as what we have talked a lot about - dancers saying AFTER Michael's death that they are at a "place. and thank you Michael" and saying things like thisis NOT it. I have never in my life heard of someone saying such a thing IF they truly know someone they care about just died. That's no way to show someone respect.

I wanna listen to the Randy interview people talk about on where he disses Michael. Anyone have a link?

edit: I listened to one long radio interview with Randy
and yes I heard Randy try and imitate his voice but haha are you guys serious? You think Randy disses MJ? He does the opposite. He said 1 million times how much of a genius MJ is, even refers to him as Mike. Randy is open and honest and intelligent. The way he talks - no one can be so open and empathic yet be a lying murderer. No way.

I know from experience that when people see interviews with these people out there, they are projecting their own suspicions onto them, so everything gets all blurry.

I have not seen all that much about Randy yet, but of Kenny yes. People seem to forget that he is a highly creative person who loves being involved with tours and such, he worked with MJ for over 20 years. And he only talk positive about MJ, always. Seems to me he is the one being controlled by Michael actually, to do a good job. Did you guys see the Oprah interview of Kenny when he promoted THIS IS IT? Once again he says the words "Michael still is so much alive for me. Thank God." and he looks so happy and enigmatic there it's spooky.

The kids and family know that he is alive, so they are fine of course.

The reason MJ faked his death? To create the biggest show on earth - for himself? Yes that too, but for earth and mankind. He wants to awaken people. Did you see his last words on THIS IS IT? He says he will be back in his own time. "Let me play with them for a while, and then bam" fade out. You see his shoes in the light and he laughs in an off screen voice.

Also the "voice over" about mankind and the craziness of the planet on Earth song - Seems it is directed by Michael himself actually. The whole film has Michaels presence in it. I dont think Kenny Ortega is THAT good at directing Michaels music and dancing.

MJ feels injustly treated by the media and the whole world, so he probably decided at one point he would not go down like that. It is necessary he does this. People will not hate him when finding out in the end because they will UNDERSTAND and they also love him.

MJ wants to transform the world. I have seen so many people experiencing the same as I have over these months - you become transformed. You lived a normal life, but suddenly MJ strikes you with all this stuff, even if you did not even like him, and you wake up and go on a intense emotional journey. Or like MJ says "it's a great adventure. I wanna take them places they've never been before".

I believe everything, all interviews, the people being related to MJs death are all players yeah. It will surface in the end. It is hopefully to make everybody aware that the media is not the gospel. And we cant go on with letting them report whats going on out there..

I have no idea when he will be back though. I feel it might take some time. He said in THIS IS IT "we have 4 years to reverse the damage" so maybe he means by 2012.

LaToya and Joe says MJ was murdered - its a part of the game. To draw attention. And we know that Joe lies a lot, he even said Omar is MJs son. LaToya has changed back and forth on her story so many times, like the time of death of Michael. She is only playing games with the media and making money at the same time.

But Joe and Al Sharpton, all those other guys there - they are so keen on protecting and fight for the legacy of black artists. Thats why they might also be in on it.
We know Michael hated the thing about how great black artists were taken advantage of and used, and he wont take it anymore.

Anyway, 90% of the income for the movie goes to Jackson estate, so Sony does not get that much. So there is no link as I see, that Sony would wanna murder him...


Some people believe this guy is actually Michael Jackson. Look at his eyes. In real life he has blue eyes, not brown. His body language and VOICE is the same as Michaels. Someone made a voice comparision but I can't find it, here is the interview though:


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Does this website still work: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/
I can't make the MJ hoax death website work?? Does it still work??
A lot of crazy stuff has been going on over there lately. Threads being deleted, a site called thisisalsoit.com playing games with the members. And now we are told the forum is down for maintenance. Let's hope it will be back up again by the end of the week.
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I agree many things about MJ's death don't add up at all. Do you believe in the illuminati and the New World Order because I do. I understand why the illuminati would want to take MJ out. MJ's power, message of love and peace and so on. MJ was leaving Sony. MJ said: "Sony Sucks".
I believe what MJ's "Follower fans" say about MJ. I believe what Karen Faye says.
MJ was a 'MK Ultra' mind control victim that is what I believe and Roseanne Barr believes that as well so I am not alone. MJ wasn't in control of his life or the 'This Is It' tour. MJ was very intelligent but even intelligent people can be brainwashed, abused and controlled with drugs.
There are many, many theories. But I believe MJ was murdered.
I believe MJ was a 'moon child' who had some psychic ability. MJ was very sensitive and intuitive. MJ was spiritual and he wanted the world to see his 'This Is It' show properly not the rehearsals but the finished project. MJ was a perfectionist!!!!
Why would Sony run http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/ ?? I heard the site was run by a woman called Amy or something like that from Australia and then she stopped running the site recently I don't know the reason why she did this and I am not sure she is a fan of MJ? Maybe Sony would want you to believe MJ is still alive so you carry on buying Sony MJ related products and make Sony even richer!! I believe Sony stands for "STANDARD OIL NEW YORK".
Why would MJ have a fake will with Frank DiLeo and John Branca on it?? There are so many people going to make so much money out of MJ's death!!!!
MJ's death is like Bob Marley's and John Lennon's. It is very, very tragic for the whole world. I want MJ to be alive so much I really do because he really could change things. There are some fans who have committed suicide that is true the media did NOT make that up. But sadly I believe MJ was murderd.
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Andiliz, I agree with you, and much of what you say, there is so much info around and disinfo too, but things do not add up. I do not belive he has hoaxed his death as this would mean TPTB who were behind character assassinating him and trying to destroy his career would also be part of this and protecting him so why would they help MJ now. They seek to make big money out of him and prevent him getting 100% control of his sony catelogue. Also there is no way Mj would have wanted that movie going out as the last memory of him. It is him only giving 50%, he was marking it, even though he was still brilliant. He was perfectionist and would have wanted to be remembered giving 100%. I also don't believe he would do this to the fans friends and family.

The will has John Branca and John McClain as executors they were also the witnesses, only in MJ world would this be legal. They are also exectutive producers of this is it movie, MJ fired John Branca in 2006 when he found out during trials that Branca was working for Sony's interests not Michael's. I doubt he would have forgotten that. He also made wills every 5 years so the real will has gone missing. Philip Answutz who owns AEG and the staples centre where the memorial was held also have a special deal with Sony to stock all Sony digital equipment and he also owns all the cinemas the movie is being shown in. Frank Dileo is also now on the board of Sony. Michael said himself there was conspiracy all around him.

Tom Barrack of colony capital who bought neverland, is also a buddy of Jacob Rothschild, they bought Savoy Hotels together. Rothchild is definitely illuminati.

Here is an article from 2005 so it is old you might find interesting around mind control and whether Uri Geller and magik magestica were MJ mind control handlers. Uri Geller is an ex paratrooper ex cia who says he was reactivated, by the CIA he was also friends with John Lennon before he died and JOhn gave him a talisman that looked like a bullet saying aliens gave it too him an dhe thought it meant his time was up on the planet. There is link to the info in this thread. The guy who killed John Lennon was NOT A FAN and he was under mind control, was this Uri Geller job, did he put the guy under hypnosis to kill JOhn Lennon, I believe that is a possibiltiy, he set MJ up deliberatly with Martin Bashir and implied on ITN news 2003 that MJ was guilty but yet recently he says he knew he was innocent because he hypnotised him. So it is curious he did not say this in 2003. It is possible that he was part of the plot to frame Michael, character assassinate him and destroy his career and create a financial situation. He also accused Michael of being anti semitic for they don't care about us song.

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/20...ontrol-victim/


While we’re on the topic of magicians, I’d like to go back to this whole thing about Michael Jackson having a “personal magician”. I mean, I know the dude is weird, but let’s just say that doesn’t necessarily justify having a person who travels around with you acting as your not tongue-in-cheek personal magician. I mean, this guy also “controls” interviews with Jackson and even speaks on his behalf sometimes.
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At first I just thought Jackson having a personal assistant was hilarious. Now I’m beginning to wonder if there’s not more to it than meets the eye. Let’s examine some more of the facts. First of all, Jackson is currently involved in an extremely public trial over child sex abuse. Jackson has maintained his innocence throughout. Regular readers of sites like Rigorous Intuition ought to be standing up and taking notice at this point. The author of that site, Jeff Wells, frequently delves into far out stories about ritual child abuse, and also blackmailing powerful public figures by forcing them into compromising situations.

I know it’s a pretty far-out leap for most “normal” people, but could Majestic Magnificent be more than just a “magician” - could he also be some sort of CIA Monarch mind-control handler for Jackson? Is there any possibility that Michael Jackson is actually a victim of or “asset” of some occult-intelligence organization? I personally have a hard time believing that Jackson is a pedophile (check out my archetypal analysis of him and his Peter Pan myth) - although if he had alternate personalities covered by layers of trauma, he might not even know about it himself. Or, conversely he might have figured it out, and trying to overcome it, and reclaim his lost innocence is what drove him into the whole Peter Pan fantasy to begin with. Maybe it’s all an attempt by Jackson to reclaim his inner “Paperboy”. I know I’m a bit of a weirdo, but for some reason, it’s more plausible to me that Jackson is a split-personality mind-control asset gone haywire than just a celebrity freak who likes to fool around with little boys. Maybe that’s just a more “fun” and less creepy explanation though. Who knows.

Anyway, the question of Jackson’s involvement with the CIA was first raised to me by Garrett. He tracked down a link to the CIA through Jackson’s close personal friend Uri Geller (who I have another story about in a minute). An article on the Scotsman explains a possible Geller-CIA link:

Ronson began his journey into the US army’s heart of cerebral darkness in London, where he got a tip from Uri Geller - the psychic famed for bending spoons on TV in the 1970s. “Under Clinton, the nuttiness was at the fringes but the dynamic changed when the Bushes got into power and it felt like the nuttiness was now at the core of things,” Ronson tells me at his Soho club. “So I started asking around and then I heard about remote viewers and psychic spies and, right here on the roof terrace in this building, Uri Geller told me that he’d been ‘re-activated’.”

I ask why the US military might have brought Geller back in from the cold. The simple answer is that Geller once belonged to an unofficial unit of psychic spies, formed in the 1970s to read the future and conduct experiments into the supernatural for the US military. Geller’s tip led Ronson to Glenn Wheaton, a retired sergeant and former Special Forces psychic spy who confirmed that the military funded this unofficial unit. There was more to the psychics, however, than trying to “remotely access” Soviet weapons plans or predict China’s next move. They were looking at new forms of warfare, including walking through walls, adopting a cloak of invisibility, even stopping an animal’s heartbeat by staring at it.

The guy in this quote, Jon Ronson is the author of the new book, The Men Who Stare At Goats which is making a bit of a splash among fringe counter-cultural groups. Many other sources seem to connect Uri Geller to working for both the CIA, FBI, KGB and Mossad at various points in his career. Even a seemingly official site of his says:



Interesting factoid: Michael Jackson’s 1995 album HIStory included a song called “Tabloid Junkie” one of the opening lines of which is:

Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
As the hounding media in hysteria
Who’s the next for you to resurrect
Jfk exposed the cia
Truth be told the grassy knoll
As the blackmail story in all your glory

I know this doesn’t “prove” anything, but it seems noteworthy that Jackson mentions exposing the CIA in a line on a popular record. And shortly thereafter talks about blackmail. The weirdest part is I didn’t even know this before I started writing this post. WHOA! This is even weirder. Apparently also on that album is a song called “D.S.” the opening lyrics of which are:

They wanna get my ass
Dead or alive
You know he really tried to take me
Down by surprise
I bet he missioned with the CIA
He don’t do half what he say

Don Standdon is a cold man
Don Standdon is a cold man
Don Standdon is a cold man
Don Standdon is a cold man

There is also a theory circulating online about this song - that it’s actually about a District Attorney from Santa Barbara county named Thomas Sneddon. This article claims that the Don Standdon mentioned above is actually “Dom S. Sheldon” which when sung sounds like “ThomaS Sneddon”. Apparently Sneddon has been trying to build a case against Jackson since the 1990’s. Other lyrics sites online also confirm the “Dom Sheldon” interpretation, and some even say outright “Tom Sneddon.”

I’m also curious about this later line in the song:

Does he send letters to the FBI?
Did he say to either do it or die?

Was Sneddon trying to blackmail Jackson with the child abuse stuff, and then Jackson didn’t go for it, so Sneddon launched his trap? To me, the picture looks more and more like Jackson began trying to “out” CIA agents in this album. Whether it was real or imagined, it’s an extremely creepy connection worth investigating more. I don’t actually have or know that album much at all. But if anybody could offer a more detailed reading of it with this theory in mind, I’d love to read it. Majestic Magnificent seems to have come on the seen shortly before Jackson released this album. Was he a last ditch effort by the CIA to send somebody in to reign Jackson in again to their control? Maybe that’s a flawed direction of research - especially in light of the information about the Nation of Islam acting as bodyguards for Jackson. Why would Jackson hire basically an ideological para-military force for protection? Who’s he afraid of? This shit just gets deeper and deeper.

UPDATE!

Thanks to some responses to a posting I did about this on the Rigorous Intuition Forum, I tracked down a very very interesting connection. Let me give you a little background information first before we go on. After 9/11, there was a benefit concert somewhere near Washington, which Michael Jackson was invited to play. An LA Times article explains that Jackson was looking for a place to stay during this time period:

Jackson’s visit came about as a result of a call from “a friend from the White House,” Coe said. The call came from David Kuo, deputy director of the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, who helped put together the United We Stand concert. When Kuo learned that Jackson needed a place to stay, he thought of Cedars. “It’s a private unknown place that offers anonymity in a peaceful environment,” he said. “Part of the whole Fellowship belief is you can help people who are down and out by helping people who are up and out.”

The place they are referring to is called Cedars. It is the headquarters of a behind-the-scenes Christian Reconstructionist group called the Fellowship, also known as the International Foundation. Wayne Madsen’s article, Christian Mafia Part II has more about the Fellowship and their dealings. But let’s look first at what they say about this place called Cedars. First and foremost we have this absolutely juicy tidbit:

According to a senior Pentagon official, the Cedars had been used as a CIA safe house prior to the Fellowship’s purchase of the estate.

Now, I don’t know how the CIA works, but I do know that expression: “Once a company man, always a company man,” and I suspect the same goes for their locations, though they get shuffled around through various front groups. A simple real life example: a friend of mine used to be a minor player in the Miami club scene some years back. He helped run various venues, and worked behind the scenes as a promoter. He told me stories about what happens to clubs where bad shit goes down - like a shooting or other high profile crime. Everybody gets freaked out and stops going there. So the clubs close down. The real owners go through all the paper-work to sell the club, put it under “new” ownership and management and then re-open it. But it’s all just sleight-of-hand. No real change has been made except in public perception - the only kind of change that actually seems to matter.

Another article has some interesting information about the Fellowship’s other activities:

The Fellowship (Getter’s preferred label for the group) also has brought several notorious, right-wing Latin American generals to Washington for prayer meetings — men connected to the torture of civilians and CIA-linked death squads.

Well, as long as they’re only praying, right? Whew! What a relief!

Getter quotes the group’s long-time leader, Doug Coe, 73, as saying that its mission is to establish a “family of friends” around the world by spreading the word of Jesus to powerful people: “The people that are involved in this association . . . are the worst and the best. Some are total despots. Some are totally religious. You can find what you want to find.”

And a supporting quote from the LA Times article:

Coe said the group’s mission is to create a worldwide “family of friends” by spreading the words of Jesus to those in power. He believes that people of every religion–including Muslims, Jews and Hindus–are swayed by Jesus. If he can change leaders’ hearts, he said, then the benefits will flow naturally to the oppressed and underprivileged.

So, was Michael Jackson’s stay with this group “purely a matter of convenience” or was there more going on here? Just who was that guy who invited Michael to stay there again? The Madsen article explains:

According to a September 27, 2002 Los Angeles Times article by Lisa Getter, Jackson’s stay at the Cedars was arranged through David Kuo, George W. Bush’s White House director of the Office of Faith-based Initiatives. Kuo, a former CIA employee who co-wrote a book with Ralph Reed, had been Executive Director of the Center for Effective Compassion, founded in 1995 by Arianna Huffington and Marvin Olasky. Olasky is a Jewish convert to evangelical Christianity, a major Christian reconstructionist proponent, and an ardent supporter of George W. Bush. Kuo also previously worked for the Christian Coalition and Senator John Ashcroft.

And there we have it. We started out with magicians and end up with plans by Christians to institute theocracy in America. Just what are Jackson’s religious views, I’m trying to figure out. I’ve heard he’s a Jehovah’s witness, but I also just read he denounced his faith in 1987. Here’s a more elaborate article on whether or not he still is one. I guess I’m just wondering what he’s doing staying with Christian Reconstructionists one day, and cozying up to the Nation of Islam the next. This just gets deeper and deeper still

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Michael was also very much against war and for healing the planet with love and unity and was also an advocator for taking care of the environment, he used all biodegradable products in his stage show. He stood for everything that is against the tptb who profit from wars and division in the world. I love this recent song of Michael's




Love was taken from a young life
And no one told her why
Her direction has a dimlight
From one more violent crime

She innocently questioned why
Why her father had to die
She asked the men in blue
How is it that you get to choose
Who will live and who will die
Did god say that you could decide ?
You saw he didn't run
And that my daddy had no gun

In the middle of a village
Way in a distant land
Lies a poor boy with his broken toy
Too young to understand

He's awaken, ground is shakin
His father grabs his hand
Screaming, crying, his wife's dying
Now he's left to explain

He innocently questioned why
Why his mother had to die
What did these soldiers come here for ?
If they're for peace, why is there war ?

Did God say that they could decide
Who will live and who will die ?
All my mama ever did
Was try to take care of her kids

We're innocently standing by
Watching people lose their lives
It seems as if we have no voice
It's time for us to make a choice

Only god could decide
Who will live and who will die

There's nothing that can't be done
If we raise our voice as one

They've gotta hear it from me
They've gotta hear it from you
They've gotta hear it from us
We can't take it

We've already had enough

They've gotta hear it from me
They've gotta hear it from you
They've gotta hear it from us

We can't take it
We've already had enough

They've gotta hear it from me
They've gotta hear it from you
They've gotta hear it from you baby

We can't take it
We've already had enough

Deep in my soul baby

Deep in your soul and let God decide

Deep in my soul

It's up to me and i'm still alive

They've gotta hear it from us

We can't take it
We've already had enough

It's going down baby
Just let God decide,

It's going on baby
Just let God decide

Deep in my soul baby

We've already had enough

They've gotta hear it from me
They've gotta hear it from you
They've gotta hear it from us

We can't, we can't
We've already had enough

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Michael is not a "weirdo" whatsoever. He has a lot of integrity, is highly religious, spiritual, honest, sweet and creative. He is just too big of a heart for the other ego maniac people out there. If you open yourself up and listen to the man speak, you will figure this out

I too thought at first that MJ was into this CIA thing, magician thing. Then thought ok maybe he just likes magicians? He always says that he loves magic. And has worked with David Copperfield, David Blaine, and I believe Uri Geller was one of those magicians that MJ stumbled over. Creative people has a thing for magic, I doo too. That's where the Moonwalk came from, in his mind. The outer wordly thing. He has the astrological moon sign in pisces - which explains his need to escape into dreamland (Neverland) and his intuitive, empathic, helpful behaviour.

Would MJ be controlled? He appears to be more the controller, rather. This is what Randy Phillips also said, that they could argue about this issue of who's in control. And the people closest to MJ always know that he got what he wanted. Like that's why he always fired and rehired people. He did not like that anyone opposed him. And that's also why he did not have much contact with his family for periods.

Now I realize Lisa Marie Presley's anger a little more, I thought she was just being bitter when talking negative about MJ on Oprah and such, but according to her, the last 8 months of the relationship was so manipulated by MJ, lots of fighting etc, that she needed years to recover, her immune system was down, coldn't eat any food because of allergies etc. She tells how MJ would suddenly just disapppear for like 6 weeks and she had no idea where he was. I believe her, she is too honest, not a liar at all. So this is an example of how Michael controlled his life.

Other people that have worked with MJ, also say how he is demanding and controlling and manipulative. So that shows to me at least, that he was not weak or being controlled.

Know what's really funny - the movie THIS IS IT - the Smooth Criminal part, a black and white old movie - it's the movie GILDA - about a man who hoaxes his death. And the man in the movie that does that, is the person that Michael plays. Not to mention - the actor in the movie has the same birthday as Michael, August 29th.

John Branca I think is an honest man. He said he quit working for MJ because he did not want to be a part of the madness going on some years back, regarding all the "yes" people for Michael.
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March 14 2009. Randy Phillips: "He's 50 but he's going to dance his ass off" "If Mike gets too nervous to go on, I'll throw him over my shoulder and carry him on stage. He's light enough." telegraph.co.uk
There are loads of quotes from Randy Phillips and others. Randy Phillips didn't like Michael Jackson.
I agree Michael Jackson is NOT strange or weird or odd at all. Michael Jackson is amazing!!!!! Michael Jackson loved magic everything from P. T. Barnum, to David Copperfield, to David Blaine, to Chris Angel. I don't think 'Magestik Magnificent' is anything to do Michael Jackson's death and I don't think he was his handler. 'Magestik Magnificent' is a black man who is very loyal to the whole Jackson family and loves them like they are like his own family and is good friends with Joe Jackson! 'Magestik Magnificent' was also the 'personal magician' to Muhammad Ali!
Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega and Travis Payne knew how sick Michael was yet they did nothing to help him. They knew he wouldn't make the 'This Is It' tour.
Dr. Tohme Tohme the Lebanese man needs looking into I don't trust him at all. Tom Barrack of Colony Capital is also Lebanese and is to do with the Savoy Hotels and Jacob Rothschild and the 'Brownstones' company or what ever it is called?
'Colony Capital' and 'Fortress Investment Group' private investment group need looking into. Sony and AEG need looking into. Some say AEG is AIG??
'Sir Howard Stringer' is the Chairman, President and CEO of the Sony Corporation. Sir Howard Stringer doesn't like Michael Jackson and seems almost pleased he has died he needs looking into. I believe Sony stands for: "Standard Oil New York".
AEG President and CEO is 'Tim Leiweke' and he needs looking into. Others from AEG like Phillip Anschutz and Randy Phillips also need looking into.
There are many doctors who need looking into Dr. Conrad Murray and Dr. Arnold Klein (who is friends with Liz Taylor and Debbie Rowe) are just two of them.
Tommy Mottola needs looking into I don't trust him at all.
David Geffen needs looking into. David Geffen is on the '400 Richest Americans' list and he was around when John Lennon was murdered, when Kurt Cobain died and when Michael Jackson died it is very weird!!
Uri Geller needs looking into. Uri Geller was around when John Lennon was murdered and when Michael Jackson died!! Uri Geller set up the Martin Bashir interview. Uri Geller also did a strange drawing inside the cover on Michael Jackson's "Invincible" album.
'Deepak Chopra' and 'Rabbi Shmuley Boteach' need looking into.
So called 'friends' of Michael Jackson's need looking into from Alvin Malnik and his wife Nancy Malnik (who have mafia connections), to Dr. Susan Etok, to Mark Lester and so on.
Gloria Allred we know didn't like Michael Jackson all the people from MJ's trials need looking into like Tom Sneddon.
There are also MJ's staff, aides, servants, security team that need looking into and everyone from his managers to his PAs and PR team need looking into such as the Nanny Grace Rwaramba who is said to practice Voodoo, Alberto Alverez (known as 'Tippy') the man who made the 911 call I don't trust him at all, Michael Amir, Raymone Bain who sued Michael. I believe Frank DiLeo was MJ's handler in the past as well as his manager. Quincy Jones was maybe a programmer or controller or handler or something like that in the past. I also don't trust John Branca and John McClain.
How about the LAPD what is their part in this? What about the media and people in the media what is "TMZ" who owns it?? What about Larry King??
How about MJ's own family his own flesh and blood? what do we make of people like Jermaine Jackson?? La Toya Jackson? and Joe Jackson? I like La Toya I have a soft spot for her but it is strange how she changes her story. I don't trust Jermaine. Both Joe Jackson and Jermaine Jackson seem very jealous of Michael Jackson.
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Michael is not a "weirdo" whatsoever. He has a lot of integrity, is highly religious, spiritual, honest, sweet and creative. He is just too big of a heart for the other ego maniac people out there. If you open yourself up and listen to the man speak, you will figure this out

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It was not me that said MJ was a weirdo, I agree he was very spiritual loving person, this is clear in all my posts, the link was cut and pasted from an old article written by someone else.

I do not agree with all of it but I thought there was interesting information about uri geller and majik majestica which is why I posted it

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Other people that have worked with MJ, also say how he is demanding and controlling and manipulative. So that shows to me at least, that he was not weak or being controlled
Michael spoke several times about the conspiracy against him and I take his own words seriously. What about Dr Tohme where Michael had signed away power of attorney to Dr Tohme, he had got complete control of Michael's finances and Michael had no idea what was going on. Michael was very humble and gentle, not controlling or demanding, I don't think he was naive though, maybe too trusting


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Old 14-11-2009, 11:35 AM   #59
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March 14 2009. Randy Phillips: "He's 50 but he's going to dance his ass off" "If Mike gets too nervous to go on, I'll throw him over my shoulder and carry him on stage. He's light enough." telegraph.co.uk
There are loads of quotes from Randy Phillips and others. Randy Phillips didn't like Michael Jackson.
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Dr. Tohme Tohme the Lebanese man needs looking into I don't trust him at all. Tom Barrack of Colony Capital is also Lebanese and is to do with the Savoy Hotels and Jacob Rothschild and the 'Brownstones' company or what ever it is called
Good point, I've also posted info on this in this thread somewhere.

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Uri Geller needs looking into. Uri Geller was around when John Lennon was murdered and when Michael Jackson died!! Uri Geller set up the Martin Bashir interview. Uri Geller also did a strange drawing inside the cover on Michael Jackson's "Invincible" album
Brilliant point, I also posted some on this. Funny that Michael did not sign a contract and the reason the documentary was put out without michael final consent was because he had not signed a contract, everyone said this was completely out of character for someone as suspicious as MJ. I guess he may have been too trusting. I think it is possible Uri mind manipulated him in some way or hypnotised him to trust Martin Bashir. Uri also is ex paratrooper, creme de la creme of the military, ex cia, ex mossad .

John lennon also gave him a talisman that looks like a bullet , (Uri calls it a magic egg) thinking his time up on the planet two days before he died. There is alink and I've seen john with this bullet but the youtube got removed when I pointed this out Creepy!!

http://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2...hn-lennon.html

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'Deepak Chopra' and 'Rabbi Shmuley Boteach' need looking into.
Very strange how these people go running to the media with stories about Michael, some friend. Deepak was in the media, less than 24 hours after MJ passed. If they have got something to say, they should go to the authorities, so they clearly haven't, but they get $$$$$ for saying controversial stuff about MJ in media. What about professional ethics like confidentiality, these two obviously have no ethics so cannot be trusted. deepak is in illuminati club of rome.


The rest of your points are excellent too, thank you for contributing all of this

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I think Uri Geller was one of MJ's handlers, possibly Liz Taylor too... The other guys you mention are all COINTELPRO agents, Chopra etc. products of the sinister Esalen Institute. Michael fell out with spooky Geller six years ago but still this 'magician' acts as his self-appointed official spokesman.
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