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View Poll Results: What Brought Down WTC 7?
Fell down as per the official version 9 13.04%
Pre-planned, pre-rigged controlled demolition 57 82.61%
Emergency demolition on the day 1 1.45%
Alternative theory - give details in post. 2 2.90%
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Old 10-02-2011, 04:52 PM   #821
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Why is it absurd? I have shown it can be done.
It is absurd and there is no proof it can be done, and you have not shown it.


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Only in a normal demolition, not an emergency demolition as shown.
There is no evidence that an 'emergency demo' could prepare such a big building in such a short time.
None.

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I have shown an expert that had estimated the time it would take.
You've simply taken what this guy said out of context and used it to back up your failed argument.

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Now, can you show me evidence or experts that state explosives were planted while people were working in the building?
We know the building was a controlled demo, so there is no other way...
apart from other technology that could have brought down the building.

Can you show any demo team or expert that would be prepared to demolish the building while people are still potentially lay dying in the rubble?
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I mean which would be easier,

1. To prep a building for demo while security with bomb dogs and people are working.

OR

2. Having a building cleared of security and people to prep it for demo.
It would be easier to have it pre-rigged, simply because the emergency demo scenario is not possible.
Anybody doing it would be aware of how to avoid security to achieve the objective, or the plan would fail.

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Old 10-02-2011, 05:41 PM   #822
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Why is it absurd? I have shown it can be done.



Only in a normal demolition, not an emergency demolition as shown.



I have shown an expert that had estimated the time it would take.

Now, can you show me evidence or experts that state explosives were planted while people were working in the building?

I mean which would be easier,

1. To prep a building for demo while security with bomb dogs and people are working.

OR

2. Having a building cleared of security and people to prep it for demo.
you have shown nothing to convince anyone. face this ulmita you stand alone. but you will respond to this, you have to, you cant help it.
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Old 10-02-2011, 07:44 PM   #823
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It is absurd and there is no proof it can be done, and you have not shown it.
I have shown proof of emergency demos and estimates from an expert on hoiw long it would take

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There is no evidence that an 'emergency demo' could prepare such a big building in such a short time.None.
The expert gave his estimate on how long it would take.

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You've simply taken what this guy said out of context and used it to back up your failed argument.
Sorry but it is clear to see what he stated, you just do not want to accept it.

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Can you show any demo team or expert that would be prepared to demolish the building while people are still potentially lay dying in the rubble?
Why, thats what they had all the rescue teams for?

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It would be easier to have it pre-rigged, simply because the emergency demo scenario is not possible.
Too bad you cannot show one shred of logic that would support this, let alone any real evidence.
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Old 10-02-2011, 07:45 PM   #824
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you have shown nothing to convince anyone. face this ulmita you stand alone. but you will respond to this, you have to, you cant help it.
I am still waiting for any semblence of logic or proof of pre-planted explosvies.

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Old 10-02-2011, 07:53 PM   #825
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I have shown proof of emergency demos
Show one involving explosives please.
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Old 10-02-2011, 07:58 PM   #826
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While we are all arguing over who has the biggest evidence, the facts in respect of each of the WTC7 collapse theories remain lost now.

If members choose to lock this thread in furtherance of cyclical debate, i see no reason to leave the thread open.

As far as i can see there has been no evidence posted to prove one theory over another.

If evidence existed then such would HAVE A LEGAL BEARING in the official report AND insurance documentations. Neither of these instances are actuated.

So, we are left with looking at what facts can be gleaned from the information that we DO have.

And it is this information that needs to be debated in order to allow interested parties to make an educated and informed decision on what they feel is the most likely occurrence in respect of WTC7 collapse.

Arguing ourselves into a cul-de-sac as to who has evidence or who doesn't is not getting the discussion anywhere - because there is NO EVIDENCE. If there was then the commission and US Gvt could be bought to task through legal channels and i am sure that the insurance company would be more than interested too.

This forum is a place of open and free discussion, and not a place to saturate threads with obfuscation from facts. Please bear that in mind when posting.

Thanks.

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Old 10-02-2011, 08:08 PM   #827
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Show one involving explosives please.
I think the source that stated high rises IMPLODED was one.
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:09 PM   #828
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I think the source that stated high rises IMPLODED was one.
As I thought - thanks...


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Old 10-02-2011, 08:11 PM   #829
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[COLOR="blue"]While we are all arguing over who has the biggest evidence, the facts in respect of each of the WTC7 collapse theories remain lost now.
I have been very patient and shown what i believe would hold up in court as evidence of the theory i stated.

I have not seen any actual evidence to debate me or prove another theory.

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Old 10-02-2011, 10:41 PM   #830
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57 members (56) carrying over 82% of the vote have looked at the facts and concluded that WTC 7 fell due to pre-planted explosives.

9 members have looked at the facts and concluded that they agree with WTC 7 falling down as per the official version.

2 members feel have looked at the facts and concluded that WTC 7 fell due to an alternative theory.

1 member has looked at the facts and concluded that WTC 7 fell due to Emergency demolition on the day.

No one has provided any evidence to support any theory of how WTC 7 fell, as there is strikingly very little evidence to support the theories discussed.

Readers are advised to look at the content posted in support of claims made and make an educated and discerned judgment for themselves.

As this thread is now grid locked into repetitive discussion that leads only in circles, it will be closed.

Thank you.
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