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Old 09-10-2013, 08:35 AM   #21
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Why would the bbc want to do a re-enactment now? Isn't it too soon? Why not leave it another 5 or so years...
I wonder will they show Gezzer effing and Jeffing?
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:52 AM   #22
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Brilliant letter, everything that doesn't add up from the McCann's statements.

I hope that Scotland yard are aware of all this and are pushing the McCann's into doing the appeal so they slip up! After all, everything that has been in the media recently about making arrests and new 'suspects' has come from anonymous sources and not Scotland yard themselves.
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:55 AM   #23
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I wonder will they show Gezzer effing and Jeffing?


it will be stage managed from start to finish, to make the mccanns look like innocent victims of a child abduction and then victims of horrific accusations via the uncontrolled internet

the solution..help find maddie and control internet forums and blogs

imho

and the TVsheople will lap it up!
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Brilliant letter, everything that doesn't add up from the McCann's statements.

I hope that Scotland yard are aware of all this and are pushing the McCann's into doing the appeal so they slip up! After all, everything that has been in the media recently about making arrests and new 'suspects' has come from anonymous sources and not Scotland yard themselves.
"pushing the McCann's into doing the appeal so they slip up!"

Just what i was thinking.

Whilst the Beeb are never going to vomit up their darkest secrets to all and sundry, they 'seem' to be trying to clean out their closet to improve PR and repair their damaged (beyond repair) profile. A whole host of ex BBC frontline staff have been outed in the glare of the media. I'd be surprised if their involvement in this, along with scotland yard, was, as you touched upon... all part of a potential sting operation to draw them out and trip them up. A shoddy Beeb crimewatch programme, even if appearing to go along with the Mccann's version of events will do them more harm than good, as the TV zombie nation realises collectively, what a sham their version of events is.

Doubtfull. But the good will out.

Here's hoping.
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Great letter by the police soop.
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Old 09-10-2013, 09:52 AM   #25
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i checked link, and letter is there
but absolutely no mention of who letter is by
http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann....html?spref=tw

just to be on safe side, do we know this ex-copper exists?
My doubting Thomas OH said exactly the same.

I said, there's people on here working and retired from top of the tree backgrounds or just have noses to sniff the truth beavering away at all of this stuff. This man will have been checked and double checked.

( I think and hope.)
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"pushing the McCann's into doing the appeal so they slip up!"

Just what i was thinking.

Whilst the Beeb are never going to vomit up their darkest secrets to all and sundry, they 'seem' to be trying to clean out their closet to improve PR and repair their damaged (beyond repair) profile. A whole host of ex BBC frontline staff have been outed in the glare of the media. I'd be surprised if their involvement in this, along with scotland yard, was, as you touched upon... all part of a potential sting operation to draw them out and trip them up. A shoddy Beeb crimewatch programme, even if appearing to go along with the Mccann's version of events will do them more harm than good, as the TV zombie nation realises collectively, what a sham their version of events is.

Doubtfull. But the good will out.

Here's hoping.
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Great letter by the police soop.
Getting them to trip up would be fantastic. Let's hope there are Lenny Harper type cops still there in the shadows.
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Old 09-10-2013, 10:16 AM   #27
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not to mention that they apparently are not actually taking part in the 're-construction' themselves and that is/has been filmed in Spain not Portugal
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unfortunately as it is the BBC I can only think they are doing it purely for money as I imagine that the amount of people viewing will be very high..

I want a live arrest not a bloody re.enactment in another country. get the whole lot of them back in one room and let that dectective loose on em

I spent time watching videos on youtube last night of Gerry and kate...the whole overwhelming feeling i had was when they spoke was it was as emotional as if they had lost a bus ticket...bloody hell less than a bus ticket tbh, and each interview is a contradiction to the last
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unfortunately as it is the BBC I can only think they are doing it purely for money as I imagine that the amount of people viewing will be very high..

I want a live arrest not a bloody re.enactment in another country. get the whole lot of them back in one room and let that dectective loose on em

I spent time watching videos on youtube last night of Gerry and kate...the whole overwhelming feeling i had was when they spoke was it was as emotional as if they had lost a bus ticket...bloody hell less than a bus ticket tbh, and each interview is a contradiction to the last

Indeed.

Regardless. They are guilty of neglect at the very least.

I've travelled all over the world with my young children. NEVER have i left them alone. Not just because i feared for their safety but simply because i involved them in every experience. No excuses.

If any of my children went missing, not only would i answer every single one of those 48 questions, i'd answer a million more in the hope that it would help to get them back.

There is nothing normal about their behaviour. They are guilty of many things in my book. the level of that guilt remains to be seen.
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"pushing the McCann's into doing the appeal so they slip up!"

Just what i was thinking.....

.....Here's hoping.
Stranger things have happened.

Great letter by the police soop.
Well I far from trust the BBC. What makes me think along these lines is how does a crime watch appeal come to be? Is it the investigating police force that requests it? Then they tell the BBC how the reconstruction should go. If the police requested it the Mc's could hardly refuse.

It is highly unlikely the Mc's requested it because A, they would not take part in a reconstruction as part of the original investigation and B, they have tried to refuse aspects of this one such as filming in Portugal or allowing the M's bedroom to be filmed. That all speaks of going along with it grudgingly and we've had no headlines about the Mc's requesting it, just that they are doing it.

I honestly don't know how the crimewatch reconstruction can avoid looking far fetched if it's based on the Mc's timings of events. which again leads me to hope that Scotland Yard are on to them and all the news spin lately is an attempt to soften the blow of the crimewatch reconstruction, as you said, we can hope.
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Well I far from trust the BBC. What makes me think along these lines is how does a crime watch appeal come to be? Is it the investigating police force that requests it? Then they tell the BBC how the reconstruction should go. If the police requested it the Mc's could hardly refuse.

It is highly unlikely the Mc's requested it because A, they would not take part in a reconstruction as part of the original investigation and B, they have tried to refuse aspects of this one such as filming in Portugal or allowing the M's bedroom to be filmed. That all speaks of going along with it grudgingly and we've had no headlines about the Mc's requesting it, just that they are doing it.

I honestly don't know how the crimewatch reconstruction can avoid looking far fetched if it's based on the Mc's timings of events. which again leads me to hope that Scotland Yard are on to them and all the news spin lately is an attempt to soften the blow of the crimewatch reconstruction, as you said, we can hope.
Yeah, i'm with you on all that.... A strange turn of events. As my dear ole Gran used to say.... Eventually, it'll all come out in the wash.
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A brilliant letter

I've sent a letter now too. Have you?
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It's gonna be very quick isn't it, this reconstruction ? I can picture it now, group of parents sitting at a table in the Tapas, constantly looking at their watches with concern on their faces saying "must check on the children now".

Then it's the one and a half to three minute window when Maddie disappears, blink and you'll miss it.

The Mccanns wouldn't entertain the thought of a "re-enactment"

as requested by the Portugal police, because that was to use the real people involved and to check the timings, which didn't add up, far too risky.

With the influence these Mccanns seem to have, wouldn't be surprised if they got a scriptwriter in specially.
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The following letter was written by an Ex Police Superintendent.
The letter is long, but really worth reading in its entirety .
The letter is served as a warinng to the BBC that the re-con better be kosher!

Open letter re: Proposed Crimewatch programme 14 October 2013 - Madeleine McCann.

Post admin Today at 8:05 am
Open letter re: Proposed Crimewatch programme 14 October 2013 - Madeleine McCann.

The letter is from PeterMac and he suggests that others also write to Crimewatch to express concerns about its likely content:

http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann....html?spref=tw



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Mr Gavin Cappelle, Production Co-ordinator and Mr Joe Mather, Series Editor,
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Also for the attention of presenters Kirsty Young, Matthew Amroliwala and Martin Bayfield

By email to:
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Dear Mr Cappelle and Mr Mather

Proposed Crimewatch programme 14 October 2013 - Madeleine McCann

I have a number of concerns about the above proposed programme.

I understand that there is to be a ‘live’ interview with the McCanns and that a reconstruction of events will be shown, presumably of part of Thursday evening 3 May 2007, the day Madeleine was reported missing.

The BBC has said that it will be showing a reconstruction of Madeleine’s ‘abduction’.

The alleged ‘reconstruction’ is reported in various media as taking place ‘abroad’ or in Spain but not in Portugal, and certainly not, therefore in Praia da Luz.

The duties of the BBC and Crimewatch

I understand that the BBC Charter requires that it be truthful and accurate and, where appropriate, must provide 'balanced' coverage of any issue, and that OFCOM has the power to investigate complaints.

‘Crimewatch’ has a formidable reputation, based on setting before the public accurate information about a crime, and asking for the public’s help in identifying the perpetrators. These principles must apply just as rigourously to the case of the reported disappearance of Madeleine.

Given the controversial, sensitive and high profile nature of this case, I must assume that the research done by Crimewatch into the background for any reconstruction and interview of the McCanns has been exceptionally thorough and meticulous. You will be aware that there are thousands of pages of witness statements, experts’ reports, forensic reports, photographs, videos and other material, which was made public on DVDs by the Portuguese Police as long ago as August 2008, and all of which has been translated into English, read and analysed in great detail on numerous internet websites, blogs and fora. You will no doubt for example have read all the relevant information on the McCannfiles blog (www.mccannfiles.com), a library of factual material about the case.

Was Madeleine McCann abducted?

Given the claim by the BBC in its advance publicity for your proposed programme that Madeleine McCann was ‘abducted’, the first question that the producers and editors of any Crimewatch programme have to answer is whether or not this is established as a fact

I hope, therefore, that you have considered the following:

• The detailed investigation Interim report by Inspector Tavares de Almeida dated 10 September, and publicly available on the internet, giving numerous clear reasons for concluding that Madeleine died in the McCanns’ holiday apartment and that they and/or others hid her body
• The contents of the book ‘The Truth Of The Lie’, written by Dr Gonçalo Amaral, which as you will be well aware is currently the subject of the final trial in the-long running libel action the McCanns brought against him

• The fact that the content of Dr Amaral’s book has been repeatedly shown to be entirely consistent with the contents of the police files released to the general public in 2008 (indeed this fact has been repeatedly emphasised during the first six days of this trial)
• The fact that the concluding report signed off by the regional Attorney-General in July 2008, whilst archiving the investigation and deciding there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone, made it plain that the Portuguese judicial authorities by no means established as a fact the McCanns’ claim that Madeleine had been abducted
Indeed the probability that Madeleine had died in her parents’ apartment and her body hidden was explicitly acknowledged in the very same report.
If you have considered the above facts, I am not sure how the BBC can proceed with this programme at all, or to continue to refer to ‘the abduction’ of Madeleine. The alerts of two sniffer dogs belonging to top police dog handler Martin Grime cannot be ignored in considering whether or not Madeleine was abducted. The McCanns for example have never been able to explain the dogs’ alerts to the past presence of a human corpse in four locations in the McCanns’ flat, on three items of their clothing, in the hired car and other locations associated with them, and in no other places. Dr Gerald McCann has claimed that sniffer dogs are ‘incredibly unreliable’ despite the fact that their reliability is well established and their use in ever more fields of detection, drugs, explosives, medicine and other disciplines is growing rapidly. There are excellent BBC programmes on this very subject, the most recent showing a dog detecting early cancer of the kidney from urine.
To reinforce this point, let it be stated clearly - the only ‘evidence’ of abduction is the say-so of the McCanns themselves.
I believe that a complaint may be made to the disciplinary body of the National Union of Journalists if any member of the NUJ had contributed to a dishonest programme which ignored or set aside relevant facts.

The history of reconstructions or attempted reconstructions

In the Portuguese criminal justice system, reconstructions of events surrounding a murder or disappearance or other crime are used to test the validity of the witnesses’ statements. The actual persons involved in such events are the witnesses themselves. They will be invited to the scene of the crime. Such reconstructions are commonly video-recorded for the benefit of the criminal investigation. This is especially true where there are obvious contradictions between the witnesses’ statement, as is manifestly the case regarding Madeleine’s disappearance. Your researchers must be fully aware of these. They have been extensively catalogued and analysed (a) in the interim report of Tavares de Almeida (b) in the Attorney-General’s final report (c) in Dr Gonçalo Amaral’s book and (d) on numerous Madeleine McCann information and discussion sites on the internet.

This type of ‘reconstruction’ is very different from a ‘Crimewatch’-style televised reconstruction.

Dr Amaral wanted to do such a reconstruction as it was clear in the first days of the investigation that there were significant inconsistencies in the witnesses’ statements, even between various statements made by the same witness. As he explains in his book, he decided not to do one because of the intense media spotlight he and his team were under.
A reconstruction of some of the events of 3 May 2007 was shown on the BBC’s Panorama programme on 19 November 2007.

A second attempt by the Portuguese police to hold a reconstruction occurred in the spring of 2008. The McCanns and their friends all declined to take part, after taking legal advice, giving a variety of reasons for not doing so. Dr Gerald McCann specifically said at the time that he saw no purpose in such a reconstruction as the police would not be showing the reconstruction on TV. He said he wanted a ‘Crimewatch-style’ reconstruction. Therefore the proposed Portuguese police reconstruction could not proceed.

The Channel 4 reconstruction, 2009

In May 2009, Channel 4 screened a reconstruction made by Mentorn Media. This was heavily criticised by many on a number of grounds, including these:

• It featured the description of a possible abductor by Jane Tanner, despite numerous indications that her alleged ‘sighting’ was fabricated (see below)

• It attempted to link an alleged sighting of a man carrying a child by Martin Smith, at around 10.00pm in a different part of Praia da Luz, with Jane Tanner’s claimed ‘sighting’ at 9.15pm. The improbability of any abductor walking around the village for 45 minutes or more carrying a child is so obvious as to hardly require mention

• It attempted to suggest that the man allegedly seen by Jane Tanner and the man allegedly seen by Martin Smith were one and the same, despite Jane Tanner describing the man as having ‘long, black hair’ whilst the man described by Martin Smith had ‘short, brown hair’

• Three witnesses, namely Jane Tanner, Jeremy Wilkins and Dr Gerald McCann gave significantly contradictory statements about the very moment when Jane Tanner claimed to have seen the abductor at 9.15pm. These were contemptuously dismissed on the TV reconstruction by the McCanns’ then chief private investigator, ex-Detective Inspector Dave Edgar, as ‘inevitable inconsistencies’. Any serious detective would have probed the contradictions, which should have been fully aired on the programme

• The man shown in the documentary as carrying a child away from near the McCanns’ apartment did not look the same as Jane Tanner’s description. In any case, of course, Jane Tanner admitted to not seeing his face.

Severe doubts about the credibility of Jane Tanner

The reasons for doubting the evidence of Jane Tanner are many but include:

• changes in her accounts, such as changing the direction in which the person she claimed to have seen was walking

• her recollection of details about the abductor and the child improving with time, such as ‘recollecting’ on a second interview precise details of the pattern of the pyjamas of the girl being carried (in line with what she then knew about Madeleine’s pyjamas, but crucially miscalculating the length of the pyjama bottoms )

• rambling and over-elaborate descriptions of the abductor and what he was wearing, both when interviewed by the Portuguese police and later when re-interviewed by Leicestershire Police

• her positive identification on 13 May 2007 of Robert Murat as the person she’d seen carrying a child away from near the McCanns’ apartment - only for her to change her mind about this months later

• her willingness to claim that the person she claimed to have seen looked like a moustachioed man seen in a sketch by a Mrs Gail Cooper, despite the fact that Jane Tanner admitted on 3 May never having seen the man’s face

• the fact that at a press conference in August 2009, the McCanns’ chief investigator, Dave Edgar, said that Jane Tanner might have been mistaken and seen a woman carrying a child, not a man

• the fact that her story was so vague and inconsistent that the Portuguese police dismissed it as a fabrication from very early on in their investigation.

Other facts that the BBC should perhaps take into account if they are to proceed with this broadcast

I invite you to consider the following additional points:

• The thread of criminality running through the McCann Team’s investigators. If the BBC has researched the background material to this case then you will be aware that the McCanns’ first preferred detectives, the Spanish firm Metodo3, has a long record of criminal conduct. Two of Metodo3’s investigators who worked very closely with the head of the McCann Team’s private investigators, Cheshire businessman Brian Kennedy, have served time in prison.

• Antonio Giminez Raso spent four years in prison on remand due to his association with a 27 strong gang of drug-dealers who were convicted of serious criminal charges in a Barcelona court last year.

• Julian Peribañez who also worked very closely with Brian Kennedy has spent much of this year after his arrest for illegally taping the conversations of Spanish politicians, an offence he has now admitted and for which he is awaiting sentence.

• The McCanns also employed Kevin Halligen, who charged the McCann Team £500,000 plus expenses yet, as exposed in a 2009 article in the Evening Standard and elsewhere, spent most of the time he was employed by them on high living in London, Oxfordshire and the U.S. with his girlfriend Shirin Trachiotis, and was arrested in 2009 on serious fraud charges in the U.S. which he eventually admitted. He spent a total of four years in Belmarsh and another top security prison in the U.S. None of these investigators had any experience in locating missing children but most had expertise in such areas as money laundering and fraud.

These private detectives have together with the McCann Team produced a bewildering variety of so-called ‘suspects’ and ‘persons tightly of interest’, 21 in total so far, two of them women, a fact which also undermines the credibility of the McCann Team’s private investigators, not to mention Tanner’s statements.

Should the BBC continue to promote the claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted, you must take full account of these and indeed many other matters of real concern about the McCanns’ private investigations, which again your researchers must know.

• Dr Kate McCann’s refusal to answer any one of 48 questions put to her on interview by the Portuguese police on 7 September 2007.

• The numerous contradictions in the witnesses’ evidence about the events of 3 May 2007.

This is a vast subject. Again, no doubt your researchers, together with D.C.I. Andy Redwood and his team, are aware of the following contradictions and changes of story etc. These contradictions would need to be resolved if possible before any realistic reconstruction could possibly take place. If you proceed with a reconstruction, you will be faced with the problem of which version of events you will be presenting to viewers. I believe the only honest way for the BBC to proceed would be to present the viewer with all the contradictions, letting the viewer see what they are, and allowing us to draw our own conclusions. Among the main contradictions are the following:

• Three different versions about a claimed ‘high tea’ that Madeleine is said to have had with her parents and crèche staff at about 5.30pm

• Two entirely different versions (Dr Kate McCann and Dr David Payne) of an alleged visit by Dr Payne to the McCanns’ apartment, when he claims to have seen all three children alive

• Three different accounts (Dr Gerald McCann, Jane Tanner and Jeremy Wilkins (whom we understand may have worked for Crimewatch before)) about events at around 9.15pm on 3 May, the time when Jane Tanner claims she saw a man carrying a child

• Whether or not the curtains of the children’s room in the apartment were wide open (Dr Kate McCann’s first version) or closed (Dr Kate McCann’s later version)

• Whether you will be showing the shutters smashed, broken, and jemmied open (the McCanns’ first versions) or completely undamaged (reality - and subsequently admitted as such by the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell)

• Whether you will be showing Dr Gerald McCann entering through the ‘front door using his key’ (Dr McCann’s first police statement), or ‘going in through the unlocked patio door’ (Dr Gerald McCann’s second police statement)

• Whether you will be showing Madeleine tucked up in bed because it was a cold night (Dr Kate McCann’s version - the cold also being testified to by the rest of the McCanns’ friends and indeed by weather records ) - or lying on top of the covers because it was so hot (Dr Gerald McCann’s version).

• The extremely limited ‘window of opportunity’ for any claimed abductor to have removed Madeleine from the apartment.

On the basis of statements made by Dr Gerald McCann, Jane Tanner and Jeremy Wilkins, with very precise timing included within them ( Dr McCann for example says he left the table at 9:04 by his watch, and the apartment at 9.10pm, and Jane Tanner says she saw a man carrying a child in the area at 9.15pm ) the time available for the abductor to remove Madeleine is somewhere between 1 minute 20 seconds, and three minutes. During this time, the McCann Team suggest that an intruder could have entered the apartment (either via the open patio door with the father directly outside, or by having a key to the front door), sedated three children, selected one of them, picked her up, turned her round so that her feet are now to the right, opened the curtains, window and shutters as some kind of ‘red herring’ (see ‘red herring’ statement made by Dr Kate McCann) and then exit, all of this being accomplished without being seen or heard by anyone except Jane Tanner and without leaving any forensic trace. (The suggestion that Madeleine and the twins were sedated is a repeated theme of the McCanns and their team over the past six years. They moved from strong denials and threats to sue, to an acceptance that it must have happened, even though there is no known substance which could have been used within that time frame. Dr Kate McCann is a qualified anaesthetist and must be aware of this ).

• The only fingerprints on the window found by police being those of Dr Kate McCann, strongly suggesting that she opened the window in order to promote the abduction scenario.

• In the very unlikely event that Madeleine is still alive and is being held by the abductor or others, has BBC Crimewatch assessed the risk that its programme could lead to Madeleine being harmed by the person who now has her ?

A useful summary of the many contradictions, changes of story and other inconsistencies amongst the witness statements in this case can be read in an e-book by Michael McLean at:

http://freepdfhosting.com/9099bef539.pdf
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http://freepdfhosting.com/d2238cdf6b.pdf

Yours sincerely

Peter MacLeod
BSc LLB MA
Retired Police Superintendent
Nottinghamshire 1972 - 2000

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Related link: http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t79...ountrys-police

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Mcanns killed her it is so obvious but he is a Mason and cover ups have happened and he is a Labour member....someone at long last feels passionate and sickened enough to write this and good on them for doing so. I hope they get the come uppance they richly deserve and that it turns on them and bites them both hard. Seems to me corrupt paedophilia at the heart of Establishments is thwarting this case.

Lets not forget our Gov't isn't the only corrupt one as in 2004 Portugal Childrens Home was at centre of abuse scandal whereby someone would turn up late at night and remove deaf and dumb children for sex abuse both from Gov't Officials and Entertainment industry this was just some 9 miles from PDL. There was some noise about Barroso being involved in Satanic abuse...see David Icke's Archives a about Where Have All The Children Gone.

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Old 09-10-2013, 11:16 AM   #35
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ahh there must be no phones or watches in the reconstruction - Clarence Mitchell told us none of them had any - yes really

Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened.

The Guardian 06 April 2008

then he altered it to

"It was made out to be the biggest 'conspiracy' since the Diana 'conspiracy,'" says Mitchell. "Some of the group (of friends in the tapas restaurant) had their watches on that night, and others didn't...

Yorkshire Post 29 May 2008

great site for anyone wanting to read real facts about this case

http://www.mccannfiles.com/index.html
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:36 AM   #36
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You will be aware that there are thousands of pages of witness statements, experts’ reports, forensic reports, photographs, videos and other material, which was made public on DVDs by the Portuguese Police as long ago as August 2008, and all of which has been translated into English, read and analysed in great detail on numerous internet websites, blogs and fora.
If the material was translated into English, are the English translations official and what language was the material in originally, i.e. did English speakers have their statements translated into and recorded in Portuguese then re-translated into English?
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The checking on the kids story is bollocks!

They said at various times they checked every 15 mins, 30 mins 45 mins etc. All of the parents there left their kids in this manner too and they all apparently went up and down all night like a fiddlers elbow to check the kids.

Why not one member of the party do the checking seen as they were all in the same block?

Why didn't they just hire the FREE checking system at the complex and save them selves getting up every 5 minutes?

Why didn't they hire their own baby sitters? after all, they were happy to leave the kids all day long in the hotel creche.

Why not leave the kids in one room, to make it easier?

The answer is... They didn't check like they said. Holiday makers had made complaints to the front desk about crying children left for hours, Mrs Fenn who lived up stairs heard a child cry for nearly 2 hours until someone returned. One of the group, Dr Russel O Brien admits he left his children like this even though they were vomiting and were ill!

I believe they did not employ this system of checks. Waiters at the tapas bar said they didn't see them leave the restaurant. They made it up to cover up whatever really took place. Either they all knew their kids were sound asleep as a result of being sedated, or the kids were all in one room and left to their own devices or under the 'care' of one person who had an 'accident' that needed to be covered up to protect them all. The worst theory of all is that M McCann was the intentional victim of people or persons in the group.

Hopefully the reconstruction will look as ridiculous as their fictional account.
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:41 AM   #38
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Indeed.

Regardless. They are guilty of neglect at the very least.

I've travelled all over the world with my young children. NEVER have i left them alone. Not just because i feared for their safety but simply because i involved them in every experience. No excuses.

If any of my children went missing, not only would i answer every single one of those 48 questions, i'd answer a million more in the hope that it would help to get them back.

There is nothing normal about their behaviour. They are guilty of many things in my book. the level of that guilt remains to be seen.
thats it isnt it...the thoughts of a normal parent!
I have 5 children, we were brought up without money etc when i was young but you know what, I do know that leaving children alone is wrong!!!
the thing is so did Kate according to one interview where the landlady of her local said Kate didnt leave her children alone etc
so she knew she wouldnt leave them alone at home but abroad next to a pool at night its ok
the way she is as well with the twins It struck me as odd that it was behaviour she would do, very strange altogether.
If you take your children away, they go out with you, especially abroad..the whole part of family holidays is just that...being a family
and no person leaves their children in daycare during the day but refuses to use same day care at night...theres no rationality to that!!
I do not know what happened to that child, but one thing I feel and always have felt since the start is that her parents were involved.
hopefully this new campaign of theirs will turn back on them..and godwilling peace can be found at last.
My middle daughter was same age as Madeliene and looked very similar, i remember a woman questioning my daughter in sainsburys cafe in devon when we were on holiday, repeating my daughters name and then coming over to look in her eyes for that defect, it made me angry and sad, sad for Madeliene and angry that anyone could put me and my daughter under suspicion because of the Mccanns stupidity
As a mother i hurt for anyone who has lost a child but for them I cant at all, whatever happened they are guilty...odd that they show no remorse...
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:42 AM   #39
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Another fact is why didn't Portuguese authorities charge them with Neglect of a Minor as I think it's unlawful in that country to leave children home alone. I don't understand the mentality of those calling themselves doctors to leave such young children alone as well know home is biggest source of accidents for one thing. Fact is they couldn't care less and are irresponsible and been caught out and their jobs or his anyway were more important to cover tracks of themselves with never ending confusion and lies. In my experience Dr's are deviants anyway and liars mostly.

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Old 09-10-2013, 11:52 AM   #40
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thats it isnt it...the thoughts of a normal parent!
I have 5 children, we were brought up without money etc when i was young but you know what, I do know that leaving children alone is wrong!!!
the thing is so did Kate according to one interview where the landlady of her local said Kate didnt leave her children alone etc
so she knew she wouldnt leave them alone at home but abroad next to a pool at night its ok
...
I totally agree and how bizarre about someone checking your daughter out!

I don't know anyone of my family or friends who goes on holiday and leaves the kids with strangers all day, every day!
I know people who sometimes leave the kids with grandparents for a weekend but that's it, why take the kids at all.....I don't really want to answer that one!
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