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Vatican forced to deny senior cardinal is mastermind of Vatileaks scandal
The Vatican has been forced to deny that a senior cardinal is the mastermind behind the so-called Vatileaks scandal that has seen the Pope's personal butler arrested.
Vatican forced to deny senior cardinal is mastermind of Vatileaks scandal
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Paolo Gabriele, front left, has worked for Benedict XVI for five years Photo: EPA

By Nick Pisa, Rome

5:41PM BST 28 May 2012

Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope's official spokesman, was forced to speak out after several Italian newspapers claimed that the brains of the operation – where potentially embarrassing Vatican documents found their way into the Italian press – was an unidentified "prince of the church."

Speculation has continued to gather pace that senior Church figures are behind the leaking of sensitive Vatican documents and that butler Paolo Gabriele, who has worked for Benedict XVI for five years, is nothing more than a scapegoat. Gabriele was arrested last week after documents were found inside his Vatican apartment.

Several Italian newspaper carried an interview with an anonymous whistle-blower who explained why the documents were being leaked.

"There's a group of us: the real brains behind it are cardinals, then there are monsignors, secretaries, small fry", the informer said.

"The valet is just a delivery boy that somebody wants to set up. Vatican intelligence has security systems more advanced than anything the CIA has but cardinals are still in the habit of writing their messages by hand and dictating them.
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"It's open warfare, with everyone against everyone else. Those doing it are acting to protect the Pope."

He added: "There are those opposed to the Secretary of State, Tarcisio Bertone. And those who think that Benedict XVI is too weak to lead the church. And those who think that this is the time to step forward. So it's become everyone against everyone."

The source also explained how Benedict had gathered a select group of five people to act as his eyes and ears within the Vatican "to protect himself".

Within hours of the interview being published Father Lombardi issued a denial categorically stating "no cardinal was involved and no one else is under investigation."

Elsewhere Cardinal Robert Sarah, 67, head of the Pontifical Council Cor Um, which handles church missions around the world was the first senior figure within the Curia to speak out about the scandal.

"Let's hope that the arrest of the butler is an isolated case and that there are no other traitors plotting in the Vatican," he said. "There is much sadness. It is painful to see someone like the Holy Father betrayed by someone who is so close to him.

"However it would be even more serious if other accomplices came to light. That's why we must let the magistrates investigate fully to clarify this shocking situation and until then nothing can be excluded including a plot or some other guided hand."
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The Vatican Secret Archives (Latin: Archivum Secretum Vaticanum), located in Vatican City, is the central repository for all of the acts promulgated by the Holy See. The Pope, having primal incumbency until death, owns the archives until the next appointed Papal successor. The archives also contain the state papers, correspondence, papal account books,[1] and many other documents which the church has accumulated over the centuries. In the 17th century, under the orders of Pope Paul V, the Secret Archives were separated from the Vatican Library, where scholars had some very limited access to them, and remained absolutely closed to outsiders until 1881, when Pope Leo XIII opened them to researchers, of whom now more than a thousand examine its documents each year.[2]

The use of the word "secret" in the title "Vatican Secret Archives" does not denote the modern meaning of confidentiality. Instead, it indicates that the archives are the Pope's personal property, not belonging to those of any particular department of the Roman Curia or the Holy See. The word "secret" was generally used in this sense as also reflected in phrases such as "secret servants", "secret cupbearer", "secret carver", much like an esteemed position of honor and regard comparable to a VIP.[3]
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Old 29-05-2012, 08:57 AM   #23
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Just think!


The Pope is deep in Jewish banksters plots.
The UK is to have a Jewish King - Will I Am
The USA's military, white house, senate, congress, corporations, FED and all media are Jewish run!


Anyone else see these connections?
Protocols come to mind!

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Old 30-05-2012, 06:02 PM   #24
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The Pope is deep in Jewish banksters plots.
The UK is to have a Jewish King - Will I Am
The USA's military, white house, senate, congress, corporations, FED and all media are Jewish run!


Anyone else see these connections?
Protocols come to mind!

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Quite right dolores1
haven't seen anymore update news on this, have any of you?
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Old 30-05-2012, 08:00 PM   #25
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i wonder if this is to divert ppl away from the 'girl kidnapped for vatican sex parties' story?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1536531.html
Emanuela Orlandini Vatican Sex Parties.
(Kidnapping, and murder of sexual nature)


Oh could very well be. These guys stopped being religious, or having anything to do with God, they are all about curruption, sex money murder and power. Have become just like any corrupt politician.
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I think (with regreet) CC will hide this scandal, and continue to do all the evil that it did through centuries.

Butler will be judged, and all Cardinals will save their faces in public eyes. There will be status quo, because if all thiese scandal goe to far, these scandals will realy shake fountain of CC, and many priest's merely have not interest for such development of events.

In all of that, butler is minor figure. He will be sacrificed lamb.
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The Vatican record throough history is a horrorr story.

Here is an update:


Pope condemns 'gratuitous' media coverage of Vatican leaks


The Pope has condemned as "gratuitous" the media's coverage of a scandal involving the arrest of his butler on suspicion of stealing confidential Vatican documents.

Pope condemns 'gratuitous' media coverage of Vatican leaks
Pope Benedict XVI is flanked by his private secretary Georg Gaenswein, top left, and his butler Paolo Gabiele Photo: AP
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By Nick Squires, Rome

3:22PM BST 30 May 2012

In his first public comments on the affair, Pope Benedict XVI spoke in unusually forthright terms about the scandal, which has led to days of fevered speculation in the Italian press.

The Pope's butler, Paolo Gabriele, was arrested last week and is being held in "secure rooms" inside the Vatican by the city state's Gendarmerie.

His cell, and an attached bathroom, is subjected to 24-hour camera surveillance.

He has agreed to co-operate fully with Vatican investigators, suggesting that he may implicate others in the scandal, possibly much more senior figures within the Catholic Church.

Vatican magistrates are reportedly collaborating with the Italian secret service in intercepting suspects' mobile phone calls and emails
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Just think!


The Pope is deep in Jewish banksters plots.
The UK is to have a Jewish King - Will I Am
The USA's military, white house, senate, congress, corporations, FED and all media are Jewish run!


Anyone else see these connections?
Protocols come to mind!

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You aint on stormfront mate, no one can see the connections apart from a few racist idiots like yourself..


Icke ,its not the jews

william cooper its not the jews


90%of forum members know its not the jews,i duno why you keep repeating yourself when the majority think you are full of shit?
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You aint on stormfront mate, no one can see the connections apart from a few racist idiots like yourself..


Icke ,its not the jews

william cooper its not the jews


90%of forum members know its not the jews,i duno why you keep repeating yourself when the majority think you are full of shit?
Please do check out the meaning of the word race.


And what is stormfront? You appear well cognizent of it?

My family has 4 races in it!

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Catholic jails and the Vatileaks Scandal 31-May-2012

In Rome in the last few days, Paolo Gabriele, the Pope’s butler accused of leaking damaging documents from the papal apartments, was moved to another jail cell in Vatican City. There he is being kept under constant surveillance with CCTV cameras working 24 hours a day both in his cell and toilet in the rarely discussed Vatican jail. Not only in the Vatican, but also most Catholic establishments have their jail cells. It is a little known fact of Christian history that ‘there were prisons under control of religious authorities. Each convent had one or at times two prisons in which the religious were incarcerated’ (‘Catholic Encyclopedia’, Farley Ed., xii, 431). Monasteries also had ‘prisons for members of religious orders and we find them recorded in decrees dealing with the incorrigibility of those who have lost the spirit of their vocation’ (‘Catholic Encyclopedia’, Farley Ed. xii, 436).

Incarcerated Bishops

The ‘Catholic Encyclopedia’ refers to the fate of more than fifty per cent of dissenting bishops at the first Vatican Council I (1869-70) who opposed the decision of Pope Pius IX (1792-1878) to declare himself ‘infallible’. Members of the ‘recalcitrant group were confined in special quarters to reconsider their irreverent decision. Many left the State, never to return’ (‘Catholic Encyclopedia’, Pecci Ed., ii, 328). In other words, some escaped incarceration by getting out of Vatican City.

‘Vatican Prison for Bad Priests’

Vatican City State is governed by the Code of Canon Law, meaning that those who work or reside within its precincts are subject to specific Church laws established at earlier council meetings. Matthew Bunson, in The Pope Encyclopedia revealed this information:

The legal system [of the Church] is generally based on the Code of Canon Law, with the cooperation of Italian authorities in cases where canon law may not apply … such as murder, assassination attempts on the pope, burglary, or assault. After all, the dungeons of the Vatican were closed long ago and there is no jail in a formal sense, although clerics who are summoned to Rome for censure or investigation for dubious theological theories are often said to have been sent to the Vatican Prison for Bad Priests.

(‘The Pope Encyclopedia’, Matthew Bunson, Crown Trade Publishers, New York, 1995, p. 358)

With the imprisonment of Paolo Gabriele in the last week or so, the Vatican is obviously still using its jail cells, and if the claims of a pious Catholic tourist on a trip to the Vatican in 1986 are to be credited, the Holy See has long been imprisoning employees in cells under the Catholic headquarters.

How the Holy See silences its critics

During an organized sight-seeing tour of the Vatican in 1986, an Australian man claimed he became detached from his tour leader and the group, and while trying to relocate his party, he mistakenly entered a slightly ajar door that lead along a passage and down a flight of stairs to a lower level. Thinking that his group had travelled in this direction, he walked down the stairs and came into a foyer that opened onto a ‘poorly-lit detention centre’. He alleged that confined behind steel bars were pale-skinned, under-nourished, longhaired unkempt ex-nuns and priests who said that they were only fed to be kept alive. They pleaded for his help, saying they had been imprisoned in the smelly dungeons to prevent them revealing what they had learnt in their vocation as Vatican archivists (‘The Christ Scandal’, Tony Bushby, Stanford House Publishing, 2008).

Why the Cardinals drugged a Vatican nun

In recent years, rumours from Rome maintain that the alleged cells have been modernized with fluorescent lighting and other facilities. If this claim is correct, there are parallels to the story of an ex-Vatican archival nun who was drugged and removed unconscious from the Vatican City State the night after she raised concerns with two Vatican Cardinals about her findings on the non-historical nature of Virgin Mary. Her bizarre story is the subject of an up-coming posting on this website, and is supported by Italian police records.


Tony Bushby's Book - The Christ Scandal
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The fact that Sister Lucia of the Fatima miracles has been replaced with a stand in is kept secret! Check the third secret site!

www.thirdsecret,org - I think that's the link but third secret will get you there.
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Icke ,its not the jews

william cooper its not the jews


90%of forum members know its not the jews,i duno why you keep repeating yourself when the majority think you are full of shit?
90% of the forum DON`T KNOW. Who is to blame for the Talmudic Abrahamic Horror Story? TELL US !!!
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(CNN) -- Pope Benedict XVI's spokesman has denied the pontiff will resign over the arrest of his butler on suspicion of leaking confidential documents, the Vatican press office said Thursday.

During a Wednesday meeting with journalists to answer questions about the situation, the Rev. Frederico Lombardi said the "hypothesis" advanced by some media outlets that the pope would resign are "baseless creations of some journalists, which have no foundation in reality."

Butler Paolo Gabriele, 46, was arrested last week and accused of illegal possession of confidential documents. Lombardi said Wednesday that Gabriele has met with his attorneys, "who will probably request monitored surveillance or house arrest for their client."

Gabriele, one of only a handful of people with access to the pontiff's private desk, has been charged with aggravated theft for allegedly stealing private documents, Lombardi said earlier. He is suspected of leaking the papers to an Italian journalist.
Vatican butler's arrest

The Vatican has said confidential documents were found in Gabriele's apartment in Vatican territory.

But Lombardi said Wednesday that media reports that said packets of documents, prepared for sending to specific people, were found in Gabriele's home were unfounded. Material found in Gabriele's possession is being studied and catalogued, he said.

"It seems to me," Lombardi said, "that there is a line of desire for truth and clarity, a desire for transparency that, although it will take time, continues forward. I thus honestly believe that we are trying to handle this new situation: We are seeking the truth and trying to objectively understand what may have happened."

The investigation, he said, is still in its preliminary stages.

Last month, the Vatican gave Cardinal Julian Herranz a "pontifical mandate" to uncover the source of hundreds of personal letters and confidential documents given to Gianluigi Nuzzi, an Italian journalist and author of "Sua Santita," a book that translates to "His Holiness" and includes the documents.

Nuzzi would not divulge his sources but previously told CNN that his primary source -- whom he referred to as "Maria" in his book -- "risked life and limb" if ever discovered.

He said the source worked inside the Vatican but would not reveal details, including the source's gender, age and whether or not they were clergy. He said this week that he had not been questioned in connection with Gabriele's arrest.

The Vatican called publication of Nuzzi's book "criminal" when it was released in Italian this month.

A top Roman Catholic Church official, Archbishop Angelo Becciu, told the Vatican's official newspaper Wednesday the theft of the documents was "an immoral act of unprecedented gravity" and a "despicable abuse of the relationship of trust that exists between Benedict XVI and those who turn to him." With the leaks, he said, the pope's very ministry "has come under attack."

But observers say the scandal lifts the lid on a secret power struggle going on behind the closed doors of the Catholic Church. The alleged documents leak, along with the firing of the head of the Vatican Bank, are aimed at weakening the authority of the pope's second-in-command, they say.

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican's secretary of state, is involved in a power struggle with his predecessor, the observers said. "The reason for this fight is that the secretary of state will have a strong influence over the next conclave which will choose the next pope," said Giacomo Galeazzi, a journalist at the Italian daily La Stampa.

Cardinal Angelo Sodano, secretary of state to the late John Paul II, is trying to sideline Bertone and put one of his own proteges in place before Benedict dies, he said. "The leaks will end when Bertone is out as secretary of state," Galeazzi said.

When he became Vatican secretary of state, Bertone "did what normally happens," said the Rev. Thomas Reese, author of "Inside the Vatican." "He brought in his team, the people he likes, the people he trusts, and put them in key positions in the Vatican."

"There are people who had hitched their star to the previous secretary of state, who thought by now they would become an archbishop or a cardinal, and they didn't," Reese said. "These people are unhappy and don't like Bertone."
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VATICAN CITY, May 29 (Reuters) - The Vatican on Tuesday denounced the theft of secret papal documents as a "brutal" personal attack on Pope Benedict as a powerful group of cardinals hunted more culprits behind the biggest crisis of his pontificate.

With the crisis over leaks of sensitive documents deepening, the third most senior figure in the Vatican fired a bitter salvo in the Vatican's official newspaper L'Osservatore Romano.

Vatican deputy secretary of state, Archbishop Angelo Becciu said in an interview that the publication of stolen documents in a recent book by Italian journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi was a "criminal" act.

It was the first time the paper has reported on the arrest of Benedict's butler nearly a week ago and it reflected the anger in the Holy See over what is seen as a betrayal of Benedict.

The newspaper also said the butler, Paolo Gabriele, 46, had been in possession of "a large number" of the pope's private documents, the first time the Holy See has come close to publicly quantifying how many documents Gabriele held.

"The act he (the pope) has been subjected to is brutal," Becciu said. "Benedict XVI has seen the publication of papers stolen from his house."

The scandal exploded last week when within a few days, the head of the Vatican's own bank was abruptly dismissed, the butler was arrested and Nuzzi's book was published alleging conspiracies among cardinals, the "princes of the Church".

Gabriele was formally charged with aggravated theft on Saturday when a preliminary inquiry that began with his arrest was upgraded to a formal investigation.

The butler, who was one of the people closest to the pope and is still being held in a "safe room" in the Vatican's police station, will face Vatican magistrates again later this week or next when formal hearings start.

The Vatican says a powerful cardinals commission investigating the scandal, "can decide to hear anyone they think might have information in this case".

"I can confirm that a number of people have been heard or interrogated and naturally this is something that can continue because we are still in the investigative phase," spokesman Father Federico Lombardi told a briefing earlier.

Lombardi denied that any cardinals were suspects in a scandal that has rocked the very top of the Roman Catholic Church since Gabriele's arrest.

Vatican investigators are still sifting through documents found in Gabriele's home, which Lombardi told a briefing likely included printed and electronic material.

"This touched the pope very closely and created a situation of pain. Naturally he wants to know the truth and (determine) the correct interpretation of these events," Lombardi said.

AFFAIR HAS TESTED THE FAITHFUL

While denying reports that the butler was merely a pawn in a larger power struggle among clerics in the Holy See, the Vatican has acknowledged that the affair would test the faith of Catholics in their Church.

Documents leaked to journalists over several months allege corruption in the Church's vast financial dealings with Italian business including infrastructure contracts awarded at inflated prices.

In one example, the Vatican was said to have paid 550,000 euros for a traditional nativity scene in St Peter's Square, thought to be at least double its real value.

Italian newspapers, quoting other whistle blowers in the Vatican, said the arrested butler was merely a scapegoat doing the bidding of more powerful figures, punished because the Church did not dare implicate cardinals behind the leaks.

Becciu said some of what he called "a media flood" about the leaks was part of the media's "underlying hypocrisy" and "fantasy with no relation to reality".

The leaks scandal has touched the Secretariat of State led by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the pope's powerful right-hand man, with Italian media saying the affair appears to involve a struggle between his allies and enemies, reminiscent of Renaissance conspiracies inside the Vatican.

Gabriele's lawyers say their client would cooperate fully with investigators, raising the possibility that he could name other informants.

Critics of the pope say a lack of strong leadership has opened the door to infighting among his powerful aides - and potentially to the corruption alleged in the leaked documents.

Many Vatican insiders believe the butler, who had access to the pope's private apartment, could not have acted alone.

Now known in Vatican statements as "the defendant" - he was until Wednesday night the quiet man who served the pope's meals, helped him dress and held his umbrella on rainy days.

The Vatican's announcement of the arrest of the butler came a day after the president of the Vatican bank, Italian Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, left the bank after a no confidence vote by its board of external financial experts, who come from Germany, Spain, the United States and Italy.

Gotti Tedeschi's abrupt departure was also seen as a blow to Bertone, who as secretary of state was instrumental in bringing him in from Spain's Banco Santander to run the Vatican bank in 2009.

The Vatican bank, officially known as the Institute for the Works of Religion (IOR), was set up during World War Two to manage the accounts of Vatican agencies, church organisations, bishops and religious orders.

It has been involved in financial scandals, most notably in 1982 when it was embroiled in the collapse of what was then Italy's largest private bank, Banco Ambrosiano, with more than a billion dollars in debts.

Banco Ambrosiano's chairman Roberto Calvi was found hanged under London's Blackfriar's Bridge.

In September 2010, Italian investigators froze millions of euros in funds in Italian banks after opening a probe into alleged money laundering involving IOR accounts. The bank denies any illegal activity.

The Vatican is trying to make the IOR more transparent and join an international "white list" of countries that comply with international safeguards against money laundering and fraud. A decision on that application is expected within months. (Reporting By Philip Pullella; editing by Barry Moody)
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It would be interesting if the Butler was interviewed, or his lawyers,
the vatican people will only lie, in their own vested interests.
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I am beginning to 'really see' the demonic reality that is the religions like the catholic church.

These priests and everyone else involved are obviously demon-possessed psychopaths of the worst kind and I am starting to realise how truely 'dangerous' they are & can be!
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AP Interview: Papal leaks author calm amid storm
Posted: May 30, 2012 4:40 PM Updated: May 30, 2012 4:40 PM
By NICOLE WINFIELD
Associated Press

ROME (AP) - For someone at the center of one of the Vatican's greatest scandals in recent decades, Gianluigi Nuzzi seems awfully cool.

The investigative journalist who published a book of leaked papal documents begs to get off the phone one day because he's playing with his two kids at home in Milan. A day later he's ensconced in a swank hotel on Rome's Via Veneto, joking about cutting his journalistic chops as a 13-year-old writing for a weekly Mickey Mouse magazine.

But Nuzzi, 42, is very much in the hot seat for revealing the secrets of one of the most secretive institutions in the world, accused of an unprecedented attack on both the pope and the Catholic Church.

"His Holiness: The Secret Papers of Benedict XVI" was published last week. In the few days since, it has become the most-talked about book in Italy and the Vatican, 273 pages of leaked Holy See documents and analysis of the Vatican's internal machinery that represents its biggest security breach in recent history.

The documents expose episodes of political infighting, intrigue and accusations of corruption and homosexual liaisons going on under the watch of the 85-year-old Benedict. Taken together with other leaks that have emerged in the Italian press in recent months, they paint a picture of a Catholic Church hierarchy in utter disarray.

The papers include letters to the pope and his private secretary, bank statements, a handwritten memo the pope's personal secretary wrote in his native German about a meeting with a member of the disgraced Legion of Christ.

None of the documents represents a smoking gun that will bring down the papacy. Most are of interest only to Italians, as they concern relations between Italy and the Vatican and a few local scandals and personalities. But their very existence and the fact that they were taken from the pope's own desk has provoked an unprecedented reaction from the Vatican. A criminal probe, a high-level internal investigation and administrative whodunit is under way, and Nuzzi has been put on notice that legal action is pending.

Nuzzi, who as a child used to ring the church bells at his local parish, is unfazed.

Asked Wednesday how he was doing, Nuzzi smiled and says he's living "with the serenity of someone who did his job, who found news and made it public."

"This is news," he said of his book, and then revealed news of his own about his sources. "We have a group of people - I can count more than 10 - who decided to make things public. When they made this choice months ago, I think and believe they were perfectly aware of what would happen."

So far only one person has been arrested in the scandal: Paolo Gabriele, the pope's personal butler, who was taken into custody by Vatican security last week after a trove of Benedict's documents were found in his Vatican City apartment.

The arrest gave the scandal an unfathomable Dan Brown twist: the pope's trusted butler, a citizen and employee of the Vatican city state, a devout 46-year-old father of three accused of stealing the pope's secret papers.

But few believe that Gabriele acted alone and he has promised to cooperate with the investigation, suggesting that other heads may roll.

Unless he is a very good actor, Nuzzi's demeanor implied that the butler actually didn't do it. The author stumbled when he pronounced Gabriele's last name and seemed to genuinely ache for a fellow father of young children who was deprived of his freedom.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Nuzzi said he had spoken to his key source - identified only by the code name "Maria" - since the whirlwind erupted and said the source projected "an absolute serenity" about what was transpiring.

Benedict on Wednesday broke his silence about the case, saying in his general audience that the turmoil of recent days had "brought sadness to my heart." But he added that he renewed his trust and faith in his assistants who "every day, with loyalty and a spirit of sacrifice and in silence, help me fulfill my ministry."

A day earlier, the No. 2 in the Vatican secretariat of state, Archbishop Angelo Becciu, accused those responsible of an unprecedented "brutal" attack on the pope, saying the stolen papers didn't just concern matters of internal church governance but represented the thoughts of people who in writing to the pope believed they were essentially speaking before God.

Nuzzi acknowledged the sentiments, but has stressed that the documents weren't private papers so much as documentation about relations between states and issues of interest to the public - data that his sources risked their livelihoods to expose because they couldn't bear to keep them secret.

"I understand the pain that this news has caused. And I respect the pain and also people's anger," he said. "Just as I understand the pain of these people who were living with these issues - secrets that they just couldn't endure."

The motivations for the leaks remain unclear: Some commentators say they appear designed to discredit Benedict's No. 2, the Vatican secretary of state, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone. Others say they're aimed at undermining the Vatican's efforts to become more financially transparent. Still others say they aim to show Benedict's weakness in running the church.

Nuzzi, who isn't a Vatican reporter by trade, refuses to speculate on the motivations of his sources. But he rejects the idea that warring factions of cardinals are behind them.

"I'm not lucky enough to meet with cardinals," he says.

He also says the book is not an attack on the pope or the church.

"There is not a word in this book that is against the Holy Father," he said.

Nuzzi gained prominence with his 2009 book Vatican SpA, based on a trove of leaked documents detailing scandals at the Vatican bank. He believes his sources approached him with the new documents based on the even-handed way he wrote the previous book.

Some of the best parts of the new book are in the introduction, where Nuzzi recounts the cloak-and-dagger nature of his meetings with his source, more secretive than his many meetings with Mafia turncoats. The first meeting was a test; he was being watched to see if he was trustworthy. Then there was an invitation he didn't refuse to get into a car for a long drive around Rome to ensure he wasn't being followed. Finally, a meeting in an unfurnished apartment, with a single chair in the living room where his source was sitting.

Nuzzi found the level of precaution "exaggerated," laughable even.

"But then I understood that working inside the Vatican, these people have an obsession with secrecy," he explained.

He picks up a copy of the book and reads aloud the citation on the back cover, attributed to "Maria."

"My courage is to make known the most tortuous events of the church, make public secrets big and small that would otherwise never escape the Bronze Door (of the Apostolic Palace)," he read. "Only now do I feel free, liberated from the unbearable complicity of those who know yet kept quiet."
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