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Old 10-07-2010, 06:50 PM   #21
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And what exactly was the purpose of releasing this very distasteful picture ????


Amazing what the make-up department can do these days!
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Old 10-07-2010, 06:53 PM   #22
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Amazing what the make-up department can do these days!
Exactly what I was thinking

I want to see want Moats ex girlfirend Samantha Sobbat has to say on camera.
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Old 10-07-2010, 06:57 PM   #23
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I really got a horrible feeling this is all just one giant hoax

It just dosent ring true

Pherhaps they just pulled their biggest made up scam yet - to see how stupid people are into believing any bogus thing they fabricate

Who is Raoul Moat ?

Where did he come from ?

He got a mother - but conviently she had not spoken to him in years

Something bogus about all of this.
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Old 10-07-2010, 06:59 PM   #24
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The nail in the coffin was how the whole story end

Completly bogus

He had been staying near the town centre all along

And Sky News could capture the final momnets just a few feet away from the scene

But of course without showing Mr Moat himself - with a gun to his head

They even fabricated a bogus picture of what could be absouletly anyone lying on the ground

They even caught the final moment - the gun shot - or frireworks display - whichever it was - on Camera

It was like a scene off casualty.
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Old 10-07-2010, 07:05 PM   #25
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When someone dies as a result of a police exercise, don't they usually issue statements that generally say they cannot comment on circumstances surrounding the death until a full investigation has taken place?

Seems very quick to conclude the circumstances in this case.

I've been sceptical about this story from the start and knew there would be a death at the end of it. God knows who that chap was who died, but a death they had to have to conclude how safe they can keep the public and also to cover up the real story of what happened to that man.
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Old 10-07-2010, 07:08 PM   #26
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When someone dies as a result of a police exercise, don't they usually issue statements that generally say they cannot comment on circumstances surrounding the death until a full investigation has taken place?

Seems very quick to conclude the circumstances in this case.

I've been sceptical about this story from the start and knew there would be a death at the end of it. God knows who that chap was who died, but a death they had to have to conclude how safe they can keep the public and also to cover up the real story of what happened to that man.
Are you saying Raol Moat was disposed of by Police at a earlier time - and they sitiched him up as a fugitive in a complete bogus circumstances - to make it look like they killed the bad guy ?
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Old 10-07-2010, 07:11 PM   #27
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When someone dies as a result of a police exercise, don't they usually issue statements that generally say they cannot comment on circumstances surrounding the death until a full investigation has taken place?

Seems very quick to conclude the circumstances in this case.

I've been sceptical about this story from the start and knew there would be a death at the end of it. God knows who that chap was who died, but a death they had to have to conclude how safe they can keep the public and also to cover up the real story of what happened to that man.
I dont beleive anyone died in the stand off

I really dont believe anyone was there

They showed live footage of the stand off - with the Police standing one side

And we were expected to believe just out of camera view - Raol Moat was there on his knees with a gun to his head

I just cant believe it - seems silly - you could tell no-one was really there.

The end - when it came - sounded like they let off a few bangers - and got the dogs to bark for some effect.
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Old 10-07-2010, 07:12 PM   #28
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This whole episode now in hindsight feels like a farce.

It feels hollow - like its all been done for show.

First off I am not a conspiracy nut - and do NOT think everything that happens in the news is some evil conspiracy.

But this story wether its real not - I certainly have suspcions about the whole thing.

Someone earlier today posted they felt that Raoul Moat was not even a real person he was made up idea just to create this story.........

While I would not go that far - here are some points as to why I think this whole saga seems a bit artificial.....................


1.) He was let out of jail - 37 years old - could have got on with his life - but
said his life was over - still a relatively young man - but he just chose to
throw it all away. Conviently caught on CCTV at B&Q.

2.) Said he was outside his girlfriends window for a hour or so - listening to
her and her new boyfriend mock him - but how did they not see a hulking
body builder standing outside her window with the window open ?

3.) Said he was not planning to hurt his Ex or her new man - but flipped when
they mocked him - if he had no bad intentions up until that point - what
the fuck was he doing casually carrying a shot gun about ?

4.) He shot a bloke dead - and shot his ex missus - but she survied and made
a statment - but we have seen no footage of her.

5.) Some random cop that gets shot - his photo is released covered in blood
for some kind of dramatic effect. What was the point of releasing that
pic ?

6.) 49 page letter given to the police - conviently telling them all about his
life and intentions of what he was going to do. Seems to good to be true.

7.) Ridicoluous over the top police presence and manhunt and helciopters and
SAS and etc , etc, etc - all backed up by obssesive media coverage.

8.) Spreading fear and panic - shutting down the whole town, cars getting
searched - while a armed police officer holds a machine gun to the head
of old lady driving her car (see pic in Clarksons column in the SUN today)

9.)They cant find him - but convienetly the police come into more of Moats
thoughts and intentions thanks to discovering 3 of his mobile phones-
another letter he wrote - and a voice recorder - telling them all they need
to know. Sounds too good to be true. Find his car to which they plaster
all over the news. That car means he MUST be in Rothbury area and so
on the strength of that - the whole town gets shut down and a mass
police search over the woods goes on for days.

10.) Missing him by "minutes" from where he had been camping - yet still
dont find him. Meanwhile his Mother is on the front page of the papers
saying she has not spoken to him in years and he is better off dead.

11.) Finally find him - and funny enough - its not miles out in the woods
somewhere - but its right outside the town centre. And Sky News
can get the TV coverage right outside the Police Corden - which is
very convient for exclusive TV.

12.) They show the stand off - and show the Police - but dont show him
he is just out of sight of the camera - apparantly with a gun to his
head.

13.) Said they gave him food and water - how on earth did they get it
to him ?

14. ) Notice the Police in the stand off - relaxed as hell - one officer is
just lying down looking bored - while the guy holding the tazer
gun is not looking at Moat - he is looking at the camera taking pictures
of him. They dont seem focused on Moat - and far to relaxed in the face
of a crazy man holding a shotgun in front of them.

15.) Witnesses seemed like they were acting and making stuff up.

16.) Paul Gazza turning up pissed just added to the farce - saying he would
talk to Moat.

17.) Some suspect picture of some guy lying down - but you cant see his face - where was the photographer when he took that - standing in the
river behind him ? - and why would he be allowed to get so close to a armed gunman ?

18.) Finally Sky News are close enough to the action to capture the dramatic ending which they said was only one shot but sounded more like a fire works display.

Moat is dead and gone - but with no clear pictures or video footage of him as emerged.

All seems a bit bogus to me.

Agree or disagree ?
Totally agree. It makes about as much sense as a tin of alphabet spaghetti!

But even more farcical are the names of the key players.

BTW Sue Sim - perhaps an anagram for 'misuse' (of police powers)?!?!

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Totally agree. It makes about as much sense as a tin of alphabet spaghetti!

But even more ridiculous are the names of the key players.

BTW Sue Sim - perhaps an anagram for 'misuse' (of police powers)?!?!
What is the meaning behind the name of Raol Moat ?

I know someone already said Moat - as in water around a castle ?

But is there any hidden symbol meaning in his full name ?

Odd name - unique name -
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Old 10-07-2010, 07:24 PM   #30
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What is the meaning behind the name of Raol Moat ?

I know someone already said Moat - as in water around a castle ?

But is there any hidden symbol meaning in his full name ?

Odd name - unique name -
In the other thread I posted a few ideas:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...post1059031695

And I also came up with a few anagrams here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...post1059037623

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Old 10-07-2010, 07:26 PM   #31
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Have been looking into his name - Raoul Moat.

The significance of 'moat' is obvious. But Raoul less so; that is until you see it is originated from a name that has developed various forms, including Raul, Ralph and RAFE, to mention but a few. This last one is very interesting, as Rafe has a definition in both Germanic origins and Arabic. The Germanic meaning of Rafe is Wolf Council, while in Arabic it means exalted.

I may be reading too much into it, but I thought it was interesting.
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Old 10-07-2010, 07:30 PM   #32
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Fox hunting ritual.

It's all for show, with public participation; to reinforce the ideas that the police are there to protect you, that a member of the public who carries a gun is an evil psychopathic criminal...unless they are connected to government, in which case you can trust them implicitly to do the right thing.

Not to mention that the public fell lockstep into the idea of a manhunt simply on the basis of him being labeled a danger by the media and the police. People were practically frothing at the mouth at the thought of this guy being caught and killed.

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Old 10-07-2010, 07:41 PM   #33
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Have been looking into his name - Raoul Moat.

The significance of 'moat' is obvious. But Raoul less so; that is until you see it is originated from a name that has developed various forms, including Raul, Ralph and RAFE, to mention but a few. This last one is very interesting, as Rafe has a definition in both Germanic origins and Arabic. The Germanic meaning of Rafe is Wolf Council, while in Arabic it means exalted.

I may be reading too much into it, but I thought it was interesting.
When thinking of a moat most people think of a ditch surrounding a castle or fortress. However, a moat is also used in zoos to contain animals and separate them from spectators.
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In the other thread I posted a few ideas:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...post1059031695

And I also came up with a few anagrams here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...post1059037623

Chris Brown - interesting name

Big story in the media - how singer Chris Brown - beat up his girl Rhinna - and got in trouble with the Police

Now in this story - Chris Brown is the saviour - coming to protect his girl from her abusive ex - who gets in trouble with the police.
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A 'news behind the news' style dissection is probably what this case needs.

other possible 'triggers or keywords. Tornado, Rothbury(Wrath buried) Tazer and i'm sure others can think of more.
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A 'news behind the news' style dissection is probably what this case needs.

other possible 'triggers or keywords. Tornado, Rothbury(Wrath buried) Tazer and i'm sure others can think of more.
And let's not forget the cameo appearance by Paul Gascoingne aka "Gazza". If looking for the news behind the news then a possible ref to the Gaza Strip (where tensions in recent years/months/weeks have remained high)?!

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1100415.ece

MY PROFILE From The Times August 27, 2003

Toddler in 35ft fall escapes with bruisesBy Adam Fresco
A GIRL aged 2 survived a 35ft fall on to a concrete path with just scratches and bruises after tumbling out of her bedroom window.
Ambulancemen called to Chantelle Moat’s third-storey home in the North Kenton area of Newcastle upon Tyne feared that she had broken her spine and put her in a neck brace and splints. But after four days in hospital the only damage doctors could find was bruising and she was released.

Chantelle was found lying on the ground by her father, Raoul Moat, as he returned home from the gym. He said yesterday: “It was the worst moment of my life . . . I looked down and she was just lying there motionless. I felt sick and thought for sure she was dead. When I got there I was relieved to see her moving, she was even trying to get up, and I just rushed over to her.

“I think she must have been in shock, she had bruising and scratches all over her face. It’s amazing how well she survived it; it is a miracle that she is alive at all.”

Chantelle had been put down for her afternoon nap by her mother, Marissa Ree, 25, when the accident happened.

Mr Moat said: “Chantelle is a very big girl and very strong for her age. She had managed to pull her bed under the window – it’s not a very big bed and she somehow managed to drag it across the room.

“She is, as I said, very strong for her age – I’m a nightclub bouncer, so maybe she gets it from me.”

The couple have now had locks fitted to their windows.

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raoul thomas moat (age 37
marissa ree (former gilfriend? age 33 in 2011)
chantelle (their kid age 10)
samantha stobbart (wife, age 22?)
Chris Brown (age 29)

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also two persons arrested with intention to commit murder
one person assisting police even tho the have already recieved all clues from the letters
one person is said to have recieved a confirmation of the "job" via phone

no info on who they are

mother says that she dont recognise raoul by his looks. (the "hes better of dead statement")

anything else?
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1100415.ece

MY PROFILE From The Times August 27, 2003

Toddler in 35ft fall escapes with bruisesBy Adam Fresco
A GIRL aged 2 survived a 35ft fall on to a concrete path with just scratches and bruises after tumbling out of her bedroom window.
Ambulancemen called to Chantelle Moat’s third-storey home in the North Kenton area of Newcastle upon Tyne feared that she had broken her spine and put her in a neck brace and splints. But after four days in hospital the only damage doctors could find was bruising and she was released.

Chantelle was found lying on the ground by her father, Raoul Moat, as he returned home from the gym. He said yesterday: “It was the worst moment of my life . . . I looked down and she was just lying there motionless. I felt sick and thought for sure she was dead. When I got there I was relieved to see her moving, she was even trying to get up, and I just rushed over to her.

“I think she must have been in shock, she had bruising and scratches all over her face. It’s amazing how well she survived it; it is a miracle that she is alive at all.”

Chantelle had been put down for her afternoon nap by her mother, Marissa Ree, 25, when the accident happened.

Mr Moat said: “Chantelle is a very big girl and very strong for her age. She had managed to pull her bed under the window – it’s not a very big bed and she somehow managed to drag it across the room.

“She is, as I said, very strong for her age – I’m a nightclub bouncer, so maybe she gets it from me.”

The couple have now had locks fitted to their windows.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

raoul thomas moat (age 37
marissa ree (former gilfriend? age 33 in 2011)
chantelle (their kid age 10)
samantha stobbart (wife, age 22?)
Chris Brown (age 29)

-------------------------------------------------

also two persons arrested with intention to commit murder
one person assisting police even tho the have already recieved all clues from the letters
one person is said to have recieved a confirmation of the "job" via phone

no info on who they are

mother says that she dont recognise raoul by his looks. (the "hes better of dead statement")

anything else?
WOW! Very interesting! Top find!!

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Mr Moat said: “Chantelle is a very big girl and very strong for her age. She had managed to pull her bed under the window – it’s not a very big bed and she somehow managed to drag it across the room.
That last bit sounds a bit far-fetched. I wonder if someone was in Chanetelle's room and actually pushed her out of the window? If so, who pushed her? And why?

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And let's not forget the cameo appearance by Paul Gascoingne aka "Gazza". If looking for the news behind the news then a possible ref to the Gaza Strip (where tensions in recent years/months/weeks have remained high)?!
oh yeah, never considered that.

I actually met him(gazza) some years ago when i was working in a hotel , and he truly is a tragic case.
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Look how relaxed the officer is at the back lying on the ground -seems bored just acting as if a person is there

Seems waaaay too relaxed - considering there is supposed to be a crazy police killer with a shot gun 20 feet in front of him


Ha! A picture says a thousand words!! In that photo there are 2 policemen who have their backs turned towards the crazed gunman!! Your survival instinct alone would tell you never to turn your back on an armed man but rather to keep your eye on the ball at all times. The facts really do not add up!!
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