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Old 10-07-2010, 05:31 PM   #1
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Default The "Raoul Moat Fugitive" Farce

This whole episode now in hindsight feels like a farce.

It feels hollow - like its all been done for show.

First off I am not a conspiracy nut - and do NOT think everything that happens in the news is some evil conspiracy.

But this story wether its real not - I certainly have suspcions about the whole thing.

Someone earlier today posted they felt that Raoul Moat was not even a real person he was made up idea just to create this story.........

While I would not go that far - here are some points as to why I think this whole saga seems a bit artificial.....................


1.) He was let out of jail - 37 years old - could have got on with his life - but
said his life was over - still a relatively young man - but he just chose to
throw it all away. Conviently caught on CCTV at B&Q.

2.) Said he was outside his girlfriends window for a hour or so - listening to
her and her new boyfriend mock him - but how did they not see a hulking
body builder standing outside her window with the window open ?

3.) Said he was not planning to hurt his Ex or her new man - but flipped when
they mocked him - if he had no bad intentions up until that point - what
the fuck was he doing casually carrying a shot gun about ?

4.) He shot a bloke dead - and shot his ex missus - but she survied and made
a statment - but we have seen no footage of her.

5.) Some random cop that gets shot - his photo is released covered in blood
for some kind of dramatic effect. What was the point of releasing that
pic ?

6.) 49 page letter given to the police - conviently telling them all about his
life and intentions of what he was going to do. Seems to good to be true.

7.) Ridicoluous over the top police presence and manhunt and helciopters and
SAS and etc , etc, etc - all backed up by obssesive media coverage.

8.) Spreading fear and panic - shutting down the whole town, cars getting
searched - while a armed police officer holds a machine gun to the head
of old lady driving her car (see pic in Clarksons column in the SUN today)

9.)They cant find him - but convienetly the police come into more of Moats
thoughts and intentions thanks to discovering 3 of his mobile phones-
another letter he wrote - and a voice recorder - telling them all they need
to know. Sounds too good to be true. Find his car to which they plaster
all over the news. That car means he MUST be in Rothbury area and so
on the strength of that - the whole town gets shut down and a mass
police search over the woods goes on for days.

10.) Missing him by "minutes" from where he had been camping - yet still
dont find him. Meanwhile his Mother is on the front page of the papers
saying she has not spoken to him in years and he is better off dead.

11.) Finally find him - and funny enough - its not miles out in the woods
somewhere - but its right outside the town centre. And Sky News
can get the TV coverage right outside the Police Corden - which is
very convient for exclusive TV.

12.) They show the stand off - and show the Police - but dont show him
he is just out of sight of the camera - apparantly with a gun to his
head.

13.) Said they gave him food and water - how on earth did they get it
to him ?

14. ) Notice the Police in the stand off - relaxed as hell - one officer is
just lying down looking bored - while the guy holding the tazer
gun is not looking at Moat - he is looking at the camera taking pictures
of him. They dont seem focused on Moat - and far to relaxed in the face
of a crazy man holding a shotgun in front of them.

15.) Witnesses seemed like they were acting and making stuff up.

16.) Paul Gazza turning up pissed just added to the farce - saying he would
talk to Moat.

17.) Some suspect picture of some guy lying down - but you cant see his face - where was the photographer when he took that - standing in the
river behind him ? - and why would he be allowed to get so close to a armed gunman ?

18.) Finally Sky News are close enough to the action to capture the dramatic ending which they said was only one shot but sounded more like a fire works display.

Moat is dead and gone - but with no clear pictures or video footage of him as emerged.

All seems a bit bogus to me.

Agree or disagree ?

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Old 10-07-2010, 05:54 PM   #2
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Agreed. And for a similar point of reference, you could Google the name Andrew Cunanan. He supposedly murdered Gianni Versace, during a spree where 4 other gay men he supposedly had contact with were turning up dead. They cornered him on a houseboat after a CNN filmed manhunt, and he then committed suicide by gunshot. Or was murdered because he was a patsy.

The big speculation was that he was always crazy, and that he finally went all the way because he became HIV positive. However, his autopsy showed no HIV..... so then he was just a psycho gay man, who went on a killing spree for no apparent reason. He was known to frequent gay bars, and while cruising would use different names and sometimes lie about how much money he had, and other sure "tell tale signs" that this was a potential killer....... of course, this is the norm for a lot of hetero and homo people who cruise bars for sex, but when applied to Cunanan it was sinister.

These kinds of things are created sometimes.
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Old 10-07-2010, 05:55 PM   #3
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Old 10-07-2010, 05:57 PM   #4
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Ive been saying to myself since it all began that this thing is probably a mind control exercise.

They want to desensitise the population to armed police. They put them in front of schools!

Look at the photos being presented in the media. The police look like enraged nazi thugs in some shots but the media is saying - Good job police, well done.
Noone is getting upset to the site of our police looking like this because they are rationalizing it due to the supposed threat from Moat.


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Police negotiate with fugitive gunman Raoul Moat in Rothbury
Right now in the US the same desensitizing is happening, but with the national guard!
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Old 10-07-2010, 06:01 PM   #5
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These kinds of things are created sometimes.

All that just to get him out the way? Did he know something he shouldn't? Was it just another step to saying police should have guns? I agree with the op, all very suspect to me too but I'm still amazed they would go to all that trouble to set something up just to either get rid of a man or to make a point . . . . then again I was only made aware of the 9/11 fiasco about a year ago so forgive me for being new to all this skullduggery
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Ive been saying to myself since it all began that this thing is probably a mind control exercise.

They want to desensitise the population to armed police. They put them in front of schools!

Look at the photos being presented in the media. The police look like enraged nazi thugs in some shots but the media is saying - Good job police, well done.
Noone is getting upset to the site of our police looking like this because they are rationalizing it due to the supposed threat from Moat.


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Right now in the US the same desensitizing is happening, but with the national guard!
Just been watching the msm on channel 3 and they had this picture up on the screen, but the dude pulling the screw face was blurred? everyone elses faces wasclear, why is this?
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Old 10-07-2010, 06:05 PM   #7
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The silly over the top Police presence was insane

This man - a single man - brought Britain to a stand still

When a real dangerous man is on the loose - they usually just show his mug in the paper in a tiny article or a brief mention on crime watch and say "do not approach him he is believed to be dangerous just call the police"

But all this silly stuff just seemed for show - from start to finish

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Old 10-07-2010, 06:11 PM   #8
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Look how relaxed the officer is at the back lying on the ground -seems bored just acting as if a person is there

Seems waaaay too relaxed - considering there is supposed to be a crazy police killer with a shot gun 20 feet in front of him



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Old 10-07-2010, 06:14 PM   #9
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he might've been tired
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Old 10-07-2010, 06:18 PM   #10
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Raoul Moats tent was found - where the mad man fugitive was supposed to have lived in the wild for days

however - hie tent looks brand new un used and looks as if it had been just planted there 2 minutes ago

Look how clean his tent is - !!!!


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Old 10-07-2010, 06:18 PM   #11
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You forgot the most insane part of it all.

The scrambling of a £44,000 an hour tornado to take reconnaissance photos.
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Look how relaxed the officer is at the back lying on the ground -seems bored just acting as if a person is there

Seems waaaay too relaxed - considering there is supposed to be a crazy police killer with a shot gun 20 feet in front of him



I saw this on the news earlier. He was lying like that talking on his mobile . . . maybe ordering dinner or letting the missus know he'd be home soon.
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Agreed it bordered on farce,scary,comical and then downright sinister.
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You forgot the most insane part of it all.

The scrambling of a £44,000 an hour tornado to take reconnaissance photos.
WTF was that about. They wouldn't have spotted London let alone some sun burnt dude in the woods.
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And what exactly was the purpose of releasing this very distasteful picture ????


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Yes, lots about this story seems very manipulated to me.

even the name Moat- a defensive ditch filled with water around a castle.
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WTF was that about. They wouldn't have spotted London let alone some sun burnt dude in the woods.
yes, the jet-fighter thing struck me as very strange - surely a helicopter would have been far more suffiecient for the task at hand - tracking a man in a forested area.
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Old 10-07-2010, 06:30 PM   #18
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Yes - what seems bogus about this - is the whole event seemed to be a picture show not a proper operation...........


They were too keen to show you EVERYTHING - (except of course Mr Moat when they found him)

They caught him on CCTV in B&Q a couple of hours before the killing

Daily dramatic press confernces - including public direct messages to Mr Moat

Supposed to be hiding in the forest - but Police believed he had access to media

He shot a officer in the face - they released the pic of him to media

They had a 49 page letter - he was targeting police

They found his car - and showed it on the news -some random black car - the public found suspicious.

Silly amounts of police presence - everywhere - helicopters - machine guns, etc

They found 3 mobiles

They found his tent - release the pics

They found a new letter - and voice recorder - now he wants to shoot the public too (just crank the fear up a notch)

They found him - and a pic of him lying on the ground - but no facial image

Sky News captured the stand off and the gun shoots - they were only a few meteres from the scene by the Police Corden

Paul Gasgoine comes down

Witnesses on camera - I seen him in my garden

Show for show for show for show for show

Everything just seemed for show.

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Just been watching the msm on channel 3 and they had this picture up on the screen, but the dude pulling the screw face was blurred? everyone elses faces wasclear, why is this?
I think the people In power didn't want the make the police look like the Idiotic animals that they are, It makes sense that they cover his face because they're trying to cover this whole thing up.

When I heard about this story I Immediately thought of John Charles demenizez story, Seemed similar.
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They claim the Tornado was fitted with a 'Raptor' pod. The MOD claims they have a number of these and they are allegedly used in afghanistan to 'track' Taliban. And as we know that little story is a den of lies, it shed no light on why they would need a fast jet to search a village.
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