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Old 02-04-2011, 01:02 PM   #41
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Judge: "Are you Alfred Keith Thompson?" (trying to gain jurisdiction)
Keith: "Ergh, that's not what I normally go by no." (judge fails to gain jurisdiction)

Judge: "So your name is Keith Thompson?" (trying to gain jurisdiction)
Keith: "My name is Keith thats all nothing more." (judge fails to gain jurisdiction)

Judge: "You don't have a last name sir?"
Keith: "I have a family name, but that's irrelevant today"

Judge: "So you are not Alfred Keith Thompson?"
Keith: "One more time on and for the record I am Keith"

Judge: "SIT DOWN SIR!"
(if he did sit down this would give the judge admiralty jurisdiction over him)

Keith: "This is the person"
(handing the bailiff the person/birth certificate, which has the name Alfred Keith Thompson.)

Later in the video...

Keith: "This is a common law jurisdiction which I established as soon as I came in this morning and reestablished again."

(common law is above statute law)
What exactly does the above prove?
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:04 PM   #42
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What exactly are you asking?
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:04 PM   #43
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Judge: "Are you Alfred Keith Thompson?" (trying to gain jurisdiction)
Keith: "Ergh, that's not what I normally go by no." (judge fails to gain jurisdiction)

wrong.

you where summoned, and showed,you where asked,and answered

whom is subject and whom is authority?

acquiescence in custom

go try some stuff before you preach it, go try the scenario you wrote

before you hold me responsible for the outcome, remember you heard it on the internet
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:06 PM   #44
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Right, I've bolded the bits I put in.

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Judge: "Are you Alfred Keith Thompson?" (trying to gain jurisdiction) (Or is he trying to confirm who he is talking to?)
Keith: "Ergh, that's not what I normally go by no." (judge fails to gain jurisdiction) (So what's your name then?)

Judge: "So your name is Keith Thompson?" (trying to gain jurisdiction) (Same)
Keith: "My name is Keith thats all nothing more." (judge fails to gain jurisdiction) (Judge is failing to find out his name)

Judge: "You don't have a last name sir?"
Keith: "I have a family name, but that's irrelevant today"(So who are you?)

Judge: "So you are not Alfred Keith Thompson?"
Keith: "One more time on and for the record I am Keith"(If you aren't Alfred Keith Thompson, who are you?)

Judge: "SIT DOWN SIR!"
(if he did sit down this would give the judge admiralty jurisdiction over him)(getting pissed off at not having a reasonable question answered. If the judge is trying to get admiralty jurisdiction over him, does that mean the judge is 'in on it'? Are they all 'in on it'?)

Keith: "This is the person"
(handing the bailiff the person/birth certificate, which has the name Alfred Keith Thompson.)
(judge thinks the man is mentally ill or takeing the piss)
Later in the video...

Keith: "This is a common law jurisdiction which I established as soon as I came in this morning and reestablished again."

(common law is above statute law)
So what happened to keith?

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Old 02-04-2011, 01:09 PM   #45
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Why don't you find out yourself if you are so intent on proving me wrong?

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Old 02-04-2011, 01:12 PM   #46
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What exactly are you asking?
I am asking what the video proves? Your assertion is that there is some proof in there of freeman remedies working I am asking what and as an expansion to the what I ask a how does it prove it?
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:15 PM   #47
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What do you think the video proves, is it not clear enough for you?
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:15 PM   #48
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Why don't you find out yourself if you are so intent on proving me wrong?
Why didn't you find out yourself before you posted it?

Im trying to make an important point here.
Why did you choose to believe this without getting appropriate evidence? This is a conspiracy site where we say the TPTB are conning the 'sheeple', yet many conspiracy theorists don't do there own research and are in the same level of ignorance as they were before. They are still slaves with a different master.

To answer your previous question - "what did happen to him", he got fined and suspended;

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org...hp?f=23&t=9344
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:20 PM   #49
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Where is the evidence that he got fined and suspended?
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:25 PM   #50
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I don't believe that the way the name is written matters. But if you think it does and that writing it in certain ways gives some sort of implied agreement to something, you could add something like the following to all written communications (and in verbal communications when making official statements):

'I speak and write in English as it is understood by the majority of English speakers in the UK. I am not legally trained, and all my English words are to be understood by what they mean in commonly used English. A name is just an arbitrary word that is given to or assumed by someone and it has no meaning except what the bearer chooses to give to it, regardless of what upper or lower case letters it consists of or what titles it appears with. For an explanation of this seemingly strange paragraph, please ask.'

If anyone does ask, you could say that you want to protect yourself from inadvertently using the wrong form of address as there is some speculation about such matters, and you are erring on the side of verbosity to be on the safe side.
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:25 PM   #51
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Where is the evidence that he got fined and suspended?
In that link I gave you, written by KT on a freeman site and commented on by other freemen.
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:27 PM   #52
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What do you think the video proves, is it not clear enough for you?
I think the video shows a man annoying a judge and asserting his position and getting nowhere with it.

I am asking how you came to a different conclusion. Not because I intend to ridicule nor because I have a vested interest in 'proving you wrong' as I don't believe that there is a wrong or right as such more a case that I believe that freeman remedies are so far not proven to be remedies within the courts we have set up currently.

As you seem to have gained from these videos a sense of 'victory' from them I am merely curious as to whether I have missed something that you can shed some light on.
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:31 PM   #53
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It's my understanding that the correct way to write my given name in conjunction with my family name is:

John-Doe: Smith

or

John: Smith

Is this correct and if so why?

This is the source of my current understanding:
i write my name as: Lee

i think it is how you sign it that maters.

if you sign it, you're agreeing to something or entering into agreement.

Don't sign anything, simples
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:13 PM   #54
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Where is the evidence that he got fined and suspended?
http://www.guelphmercury.com/news/ar...ideo-fined-260
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:26 PM   #55
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i think it is how you sign it that maters.
its the act of signing, whether you place a "b" one day, a "B" the next, or a B~ or C or e


none of that matters, if asked, you will be asked, is that your signature?

not anything else
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Old 02-04-2011, 04:06 PM   #56
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I love trolls.
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Old 02-04-2011, 04:25 PM   #57
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I love trolls.
Why, because you just posted on here, asked about KT, showed he got fined, posted your videos that don't show anything about his name working and haven't provided any proof to it work?
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I love trolls.
If you have to resort to the troll accusation, I'll take that as an admittance you have nothing to counter my points with.
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Old 02-04-2011, 05:28 PM   #59
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If you have to resort to the troll accusation, I'll take that as an admittance you have nothing to counter my points with.
agreed. I think the biggest failing on this section of the forum is the seeming inability to discuss aspects of fmotl from both sides. It is blatantly obvious that the majority of people here are merely asking for evidence of something working rather then just general naysaying. We arern't opposed to change infact it seems we would like to see change implemented, we just arent prepared to support theories that aren't proven.
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Old 02-04-2011, 05:47 PM   #60
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Why not learn more about this yourselves. Wouldn't it be much easier to do that than to pester me into giving you what you ask for?
I don't see any reason to continue this conversation. Choose what you want to believe and leave it at that. I have provided you with ample information for you to look at and study.
Study it, learn about it and then either choose to accept it or not. I cannot make you believe in what I have seen. That's your choice. Now stop trolling me with your comments and go do something constructive with your time.

I have given you all the information necessary to answer some of your questions in my previous postings. If that's not good enough for you then fine. Leave it be and live life how you want to.
I think critically about all information I read and by the the looks of it you all do too. But I can't stay here on this thread all day trying to answer your questions. It's not my job to prove to you the understandings I have are right or wrong. I have being fair and honourable in trying to show you what I know. Like I said before what I believe to be true is only my understanding.

If you want answers then read through this book, it's a good place to start if you want to understand Common Law (I am on page 64):
http://www.yourstrawman.com/VeronicaChapman.pdf

If you cannot respond to me with reason and fairness I will not be carrying on this conversation. Thank you for your messages.
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