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Old 02-04-2011, 01:48 AM   #21
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I provided you with two very suitable videos showing that the layman who CLEARY admitted he was "commonly called Raymond of the St.Clair family"

making a clear distinction to the judge what his common law GIVEN name is.
No one is denying that. The question is, is there any evidence of a judge taking that fact into consideration when they decide a case?
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:42 AM   #22
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The judge can only get jurisdiction over you if you create a joinder between the name on your birth certificate and you. To avoid this you must make a clear distinction between the given name John-Doe and the birth certicates name John Doe. I do not claim that the name wins or loses a case. I only claim that by not letting the judge gain jurisdiction over you, you will be asserting your common law rights as a sovereign. Sovereigns are named and called in the fashion of John-Doe: Smith.
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:55 AM   #23
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you will be asserting your common law rights as a sovereign.
And this gives you the benefit of?.....
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:56 AM   #24
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The judge can only get jurisdiction over you if you create a joinder between the name on your birth certificate and you. To avoid this you must make a clear distinction between the given name John-Doe and the birth certicates name John Doe. I do not claim that the name wins or loses a case. I only claim that by not letting the judge gain jurisdiction over you, you will be asserting your common law rights as a sovereign. Sovereigns are named and called in the fashion of John-Doe: Smith.
Than why has ever case of someone trying this failed?
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:13 AM   #25
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The judge can only get jurisdiction over you if you create a joinder between the name on your birth certificate and you. To avoid this you must make a clear distinction between the given name John-Doe and the birth certicates name John Doe. I do not claim that the name wins or loses a case. I only claim that by not letting the judge gain jurisdiction over you, you will be asserting your common law rights as a sovereign. Sovereigns are named and called in the fashion of John-Doe: Smith.
Is there any evidence of this?
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:29 AM   #26
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^ Allow me:

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It's not my responsibility to prove to you anything. You should try to find the evidence yourself.
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:40 AM   #27
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"What's your name?"

"I am Dan-the-man from the Sanderson Clan."

"OK, Mr Sanderson."

"I object! I am not a Mister and I am not a Trust. I am Dan-the-man from the Sanderson Clan."


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Old 02-04-2011, 04:12 AM   #28
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Okay, if you insist:

http://www.adl.org/mwd/suss4.asp#punctuation

That's in reference to American cases, obviously, but I don't think it would be much different anywhere else.
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Old 02-04-2011, 05:35 AM   #29
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Okay, if you insist:

http://www.adl.org/mwd/suss4.asp#punctuation

That's in reference to American cases, obviously, but I don't think it would be much different anywhere else.
Not sure if you're referring to me or not. If you were in fact referring to me, I was just poking a little fun at mikefromtheuk1. Trust me, I'm the last person you need to convince.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:00 AM   #30
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The judge can only get jurisdiction over you if you create a joinder between the name on your birth certificate and you.
That is simply untrue.
We saw recently in the Hayes case what happened when a defendant refused to identify himself.
I too have personal knowledge of a similar incident.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:17 AM   #31
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The judge can only get jurisdiction over you if you create a joinder between the name on your birth certificate and you. To avoid this you must make a clear distinction between the given name John-Doe and the birth certicates name John Doe. I do not claim that the name wins or loses a case. I only claim that by not letting the judge gain jurisdiction over you, you will be asserting your common law rights as a sovereign. Sovereigns are named and called in the fashion of John-Doe: Smith.
Where did you hear that that the was case mike, and why do you believe it?
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:26 PM   #32
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The theory is that "The judge can only get jurisdiction over you if you create a joinder between the name on your birth certificate and you. To avoid this you must make a clear distinction between the given name John-Doe and the birth certicates name John Doe. I do not claim that the name wins or loses a case. I only claim that by not letting the judge gain jurisdiction over you, you will be asserting your common law rights as a sovereign. Sovereigns are named and called in the fashion of John-Doe: Smith." To date this has not been proven in court.
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:35 PM   #34
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Ok. Now do you think they all studied the law and came to the conclusion seperately, or do you think that it came from one source and taken as truth by the others?

BTW: what do you think is now the current situation of that bloke in the video?
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:40 PM   #35
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What have you learned about this subject?
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:45 PM   #36
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BTW: what do you think is now the current situation of that bloke in the video?
Why do you care? Being noble again?
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:51 PM   #37
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What have you learned about this subject?
That it doesn't work for people and is a con.
Some choose to believe it regardless or get angry when challenged about it. When you ask them for proof they accuse you of being a 'shill' or 'co-intel', or even a lover of 'the system'. They never do provide proof though.

Some folk are just fed up of how crap life can be for the majority of people and want a better, fairer sociey.
Some just want to believe in it because it exists in the conspiracy field and so think 'well if they can do that then why not this?'.

Some believers are good folk, some are nuts and some are nobs. Some just make money.

Hope that answers your question - will you answer mine?
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:52 PM   #38
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Why do you care? Being noble again?
Because mike posted that as proof that the bloke's tactics worked when they didn't.
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:56 PM   #39
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Judge: "Are you Alfred Keith Thompson?" (trying to gain jurisdiction)
Keith: "Ergh, that's not what I normally go by no." (judge fails to gain jurisdiction)

Judge: "So your name is Keith Thompson?" (trying to gain jurisdiction)
Keith: "My name is Keith thats all nothing more." (judge fails to gain jurisdiction)

Judge: "You don't have a last name sir?"
Keith: "I have a family name, but that's irrelevant today"

Judge: "So you are not Alfred Keith Thompson?"
Keith: "One more time on and for the record I am Keith"

Judge: "SIT DOWN SIR!"
(if he did sit down this would give the judge admiralty jurisdiction over him)

Keith: "This is the person"
(handing the bailiff the person/birth certificate, which has the name Alfred Keith Thompson.)

Later in the video...

Keith: "This is a common law jurisdiction which I established as soon as I came in this morning and reestablished again."

(common law is above statute law)
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:01 PM   #40
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Because mike posted that as proof that the bloke's tactics worked when they didn't.
Of course they worked, the judge failed to get any jurisdiction of the man known as Keith.

Did you not watch the video?
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