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Old 13-01-2013, 10:08 AM   #1
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Default Black slave owners outnumbered whites ...

..not just in America but also the Caribbean. Slavery was actually an equal opportunity institution. Blacks owned their own including whites right from the founding of America.
One thing is clear-Irish slave numbers in America outnumbered blacks. They were cheaper and less valued.
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It seems as early as the mid 1600s Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves-ever since James 2 sold 30,000 Irish prisoners.
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The evidence shows Blacks appear to have been beneficiaries of slavery. They were proportionally greater slave owners than whites.
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The census also determined that there were fewer than 400,000 individuals who owned slaves . Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves). In fact Duke University professor professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.
Its therefore no surprise why they fought for the South til the end.


The Irish suffered terribly.
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"Surplus poor," and hated Catholics were considered "inside out niggers" and 80% didn't survive their first year on the cane fields since they were anyway undervalued compared to their black counterparts.In Trinidad Fr Anthony De Verteuil (Seven Slaves and Slavery: Trinidad 1777-1838) estimated that at least 60 per cent of the owners were coloured, and concluded "with certainty" that at least half to two-thirds of the slave-owners in Trinidad were coloured and that they owned about 20 per cent of the slaves.
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Interesting info. Thanks for sharing.
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Very interesting. I knew there had to be more to the story. Now with "Django Unchained" they are pushing this 'blacks vs. whites' story more to the youth. Probably to divide the races subconsciously. But I know they spin history for their benefit.
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There is a fairly decent book about 'white slavery' written by Michael A Hoffman..."They Were White & They Were Slaves", about white indentured slaves. Yes Hollywood cinema has a 'Hate Whitey' campaign where dorks like Tarrantino are allowed to flourish with very little, if any appreciable talent.
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There is a fairly decent book about 'white slavery' written by Michael A Hoffman..."They Were White & They Were Slaves", about white indentured slaves. Yes Hollywood cinema has a 'Hate Whitey' campaign where dorks like Tarrantino are allowed to flourish with very little, if any appreciable talent.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150012
That & a lot of other stuff here, great thread, if you wade through it.
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..not just in America but also the Caribbean. Slavery was actually an equal opportunity institution. Blacks owned their own including whites right from the founding of America.
One thing is clear-Irish slave numbers in America outnumbered blacks. They were cheaper and less valued.

http://karanjazplace.blogspot.com/20...ack-thing.html





The evidence shows Blacks appear to have been beneficiaries of slavery. They were proportionally greater slave owners than whites.

Its therefore no surprise why they fought for the South til the end.


The Irish suffered terribly.

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It must be pointed out that it was Jews who ran the slave trade. Good thread though O.P.
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Old 22-01-2013, 08:15 PM   #7
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Very interesting. I knew there had to be more to the story. Now with "Django Unchained" they are pushing this 'blacks vs. whites' story more to the youth. Probably to divide the races subconsciously. But I know they spin history for their benefit.
Our Marxist rulers are verhemently promoting "white guilt" in the schools and media.
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Old 22-01-2013, 09:06 PM   #8
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shhh...its all so politically incorrect
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what a load of tosh... In 1861 there were 3 million African Americans in the Southern States, most of whom were slaves. 3000 free African-Americans in New Orleans (the biggest city in the South, the only metropolitan city, the french creole city) that owned slaves (if it is true...) would be what..? max 12000 slaves... That still leaves 3 million... Also, New Orleans surrendered to the Union and General Butler without a fight or a siege. Those African-Americans in New Orleans didn't lift a finger to save their slaveholding'right'. Of 3 million African-Americans in the South, half a million were combatready males (in accordance with CS conscription laws, disregarding race) - only a couple of hundred of them served in the Confederate armies...

Wade Hampton III - the South Carolinan slaveholder and namesake to the Hampton's Legion of 1st Manassas fame owned A HUNDRED THOUSAND black slaves on his private plantation.

The OP is just revisionist bullshit...

edit: also, in the USA, there were never a 'peculiar institution' of white slavery... Sure the Irish might have been subjected to financial slavery by loansharks and creditors and suffered in sweatshops for nothing but lodging and scarce foods, but they were, in theory at least, allways free to leave, move, settle somewhere else, emmigrate, hit the road, skip town, tuck tail...

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Slavery has been around since way before recorded history. It is not limited to one race. Men have tried to use other men (and women) as slaves whenever the opportunity happened. People from all races have been enslaved at some point in history.

Claiming that you are owned something because people of your race have been enslaved is a false belief. This attitude only divides people.
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Slavery has been around since way before recorded history. It is not limited to one race. Men have tried to use other men (and women) as slaves whenever the opportunity happened. People from all races have been enslaved at some point in history.

Claiming that you are owned something because people of your race have been enslaved is a false belief. This attitude only divides people.
Owed?( Sorry, I don´t understand )
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Old 23-01-2013, 12:48 PM   #12
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Owed?( Sorry, I don´t understand )
I guess she means owed?... As in the other race that supposedly enslaved you must pay the price by reparations and eternal guilt... e.g black hate on white for no just cause or reason. Blaming white people for slavery is of course utterly ridiculous because the vast majority, over 99% that is, of white people never owned slaves themselves in the first place, had anything to do with slavery, or profiteered from it in any way whatsoever. Yet the collective guilt always remains firmly on white people. Interestingly though around 70% of jewish families owned slaves according to their own historical records (which probably refers to the middle and upper classes and of course doesn't account for poor ghetto jews), plus they owned practically every slave ship that sailed. This isn't me being ''racist'' or anti-semitic, it's documented in their own books, which of course conveniently gets hidden from the trash history that the masses get to read. There's been a number of good scholary books and speeches that document how the jews ran the slave trade, that even name the ship owners and trace their ancestory back largely to a group of exciled Jews from Spain and Portugal known as marrano jews. Aaron Lopez (1731–1782), a Jewish merchant and philanthropist was one of the major players in the slave trade who later became the wealthiest person in Newport Rhode Island. Wikipedia unsurprisingly plays down his significant role in the slave trade, along with all the other Jewish merchants. It says ''The reason he was successful was that his business interests were so ''diverse'', though it does mention his role in the slave trade. Funny how hollywood never makes a movie about this isn't it. I take issue with anybody who blames white people for slavery, though I always allow for such ignorance, giving the lack of sound information and lack of quality in the ''education'' system.

Who Brought the Slaves to America?

By Walter White Jr., 1968

The story of the slaves in America begins with Christopher Columbus. His voyage to America was not financed by Queen Isabella, but by Luis de Santangelo, who advanced the sum of 17,000 ducats (about 5,000 pounds-today equal to 50,000 pounds) to finance the voyage, which began on August 3, 1492.

Columbus was accompanied by five 'maranos' (Jews who had foresworn their religion and supposedly became Catholics), Luis de Torres, interpreter, Marco, the surgeon, Bemal, the physician, Alonzo de la Calle and Gabriel Sanchez (1).

Gabriel Sanchez, abetted by the other four Jews, sold Columbus on the idea of capturing 500 Indians and selling them as slaves in Seville, Spain, which was done. Columbus did not receive any of the money from the sale of the slaves, but he became the victim of a conspiracy fostered by Bemal, the ship's doctor. He, Columbus, suffered injustice and imprisonment as his reward. Betrayed by the five maranos (Jews) whom he had trusted and helped. This, ironically, was the beginning of slavery in the Americas (2).

The Jews were expelled from Spain on August 2, 1492, and from Portugal in 1497. Many of these Jews emigrated to Holland, where they set up the Dutch West Indies Company to exploit the new world.

In 1654, the first Jew, Jacob Barsimson, emigrated from Holland to New Amsterdam (New York) and in the next decade many more followed him, settling along the East Coast, principally in New Amsterdam and Newport, Rhode Island. They were prevented by ordinances issued by Governor Peter Stuyvesant from engaging in the domestic economy, so they quickly discovered that the territory inhabited by the Indians would be a fertile field. There were no laws preventing the Jews from trading with the Indians.

The first Jew to begin trading with the Indians was Hayman Levy, who imported cheap glass beads, textiles, earrings, armbands and other cheap adornments from Holland which were traded for valuable fur pelts. Hayman Levy was soon joined by Jews Nicholas Lowe and Joseph Simon. Lowe conceived the idea of trading rum and whiskey to the Indians and set up a distillery in Newport, where these two liquors were produced. Within a short time there were 22 distilleries in Newport, all of them owned by Jews, manufacturing and distributing 'firewater.' The story of the debauching of the Indians with its resultant massacres of the early settlers, is a dramatic story in itself.

It is essential to comprehend the seaport of Newport. It is important in order to recognize the Jewish share in the Slave commerce. There was a period when it was commonly referred to as 'The Jewish Newport-World center of Slave Commerce.' All together, at this time, there were in North America six Jewish communities: Newport, Charleston, New York, Philadelphia, Richmond, and Savanuah. There were also many other Jews, scattered over the entire East Coast. Although New York held first place in the settlers of Jews in North America, Newport held second place.

New York was also the main source of Kosher meat, supplying the North American settlements, then the West Indies and also South America. Now Newport took over! Newport also became the great trade harbour of the East Coast of North America. There, vessels from other ports met, to exchange commodities. Newport, as previously mentioned, represented the foremost place in the commerce of rum, whiskey, and liquor dealings. And to conclude, it finally became the Main Center of Slave dealings. It was from this port that the ships left on their way across the ocean, to gather their black human cargo and then derive great sums of money in exchange for them. Read more here: http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/W...to.America.htm
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I guess she means owed?... As in the other race that supposedly enslaved you must pay the price by reparations and eternal guilt... e.g black hate on white for no just cause or reason. Blaming white people for slavery is of course utterly ridiculous because the vast majority, over 99% that is, of white people never owned slaves themselves in the first place, had anything to do with slavery, or profiteered from it in any way whatsoever. Yet the collective guilt always remains firmly on white people. Interestingly though around 70% of jewish families owned slaves according to their own historical records, plus they owned practically every slave ship that sailed. This isn't me being ''racist'' or anti-semitic, it's documented in their own books, which of course conveniently gets hidden from the trash history that the masses get to read. There's been a number of good scholary books and speeches that document how the jews ran the slave trade, that even name the ship owners and trace their ancestory back largely to a group of exciled Jews from Spain and Portugal known as marrano jews. Aaron Lopez (1731–1782), a Jewish merchant and philanthropist was one of the major players in the slave trade who later became the wealthiest person in Newport Rhode Island. Wikipedia unsuprisingly plays down his significant role in the slave trade, along with all the other Jewish merchants. It says ''The reason he was successful was that his business interests were so ''diverse'', though it does mention his role in the slave trade. Funny how hollywood never makes a movie about this isn't it. In take issue with anybody who blames white people for slavery, though I always allow for such ignorance, giving the lack of sound information and lack of quality in the ''education'' system.

Who Brought the Slaves to America?

By Walter White Jr., 1968

The story of the slaves in America begins with Christopher Columbus. His voyage to America was not financed by Queen Isabella, but by Luis de Santangelo, who advanced the sum of 17,000 ducats (about 5,000 pounds-today equal to 50,000 pounds) to finance the voyage, which began on August 3, 1492.

Columbus was accompanied by five 'maranos' (Jews who had foresworn their religion and supposedly became Catholics), Luis de Torres, interpreter, Marco, the surgeon, Bemal, the physician, Alonzo de la Calle and Gabriel Sanchez (1).

Gabriel Sanchez, abetted by the other four Jews, sold Columbus on the idea of capturing 500 Indians and selling them as slaves in Seville, Spain, which was done. Columbus did not receive any of the money from the sale of the slaves, but he became the victim of a conspiracy fostered by Bemal, the ship's doctor. He, Columbus, suffered injustice and imprisonment as his reward. Betrayed by the five maranos (Jews) whom he had trusted and helped. This, ironically, was the beginning of slavery in the Americas (2).

The Jews were expelled from Spain on August 2, 1492, and from Portugal in 1497. Many of these Jews emigrated to Holland, where they set up the Dutch West Indies Company to exploit the new world.

In 1654, the first Jew, Jacob Barsimson, emigrated from Holland to New Amsterdam (New York) and in the next decade many more followed him, settling along the East Coast, principally in New Amsterdam and Newport, Rhode Island. They were prevented by ordinances issued by Governor Peter Stuyvesant from engaging in the domestic economy, so they quickly discovered that the territory inhabited by the Indians would be a fertile field. There were no laws preventing the Jews from trading with the Indians.

The first Jew to begin trading with the Indians was Hayman Levy, who imported cheap glass beads, textiles, earrings, armbands and other cheap adornments from Holland which were traded for valuable fur pelts. Hayman Levy was soon joined by Jews Nicholas Lowe and Joseph Simon. Lowe conceived the idea of trading rum and whiskey to the Indians and set up a distillery in Newport, where these two liquors were produced. Within a short time there were 22 distilleries in Newport, all of them owned by Jews, manufacturing and distributing 'firewater.' The story of the debauching of the Indians with its resultant massacres of the early settlers, is a dramatic story in itself.

It is essential to comprehend the seaport of Newport. It is important in order to recognize the Jewish share in the Slave commerce. There was a period when it was commonly referred to as 'The Jewish Newport-World center of Slave Commerce.' All together, at this time, there were in North America six Jewish communities: Newport, Charleston, New York, Philadelphia, Richmond, and Savanuah. There were also many other Jews, scattered over the entire East Coast. Although New York held first place in the settlers of Jews in North America, Newport held second place.

New York was also the main source of Kosher meat, supplying the North American settlements, then the West Indies and also South America. Now Newport took over! Newport also became the great trade harbour of the East Coast of North America. There, vessels from other ports met, to exchange commodities. Newport, as previously mentioned, represented the foremost place in the commerce of rum, whiskey, and liquor dealings. And to conclude, it finally became the Main Center of Slave dealings. It was from this port that the ships left on their way across the ocean, to gather their black human cargo and then derive great sums of money in exchange for them. Read more here: http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/W...to.America.htm
Excellent post, resistance. Thanks.
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Excellent post, resistance. Thanks.
Yes, I think it's important to bear in mind when the figure of 70% of jews owning slaves gets mentioned that's no doubt referring to the middle and upper classes. Plenty of Jews were poor and lived in ghettos themselves, and wouldn't have been in the position to own slaves. Also some Gentile middle and upper class families owned slaves and profiteered from the slave trade too. But you can't ignore the big part that these wealthy jewish families played. People like Aaron Lopez et al. It's a travesty to blame white people in general for the slave trade.
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That & a lot of other stuff here, great thread, if you wade through it.
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Slavery has been around since way before recorded history. It is not limited to one race. Men have tried to use other men (and women) as slaves whenever the opportunity happened. People from all races have been enslaved at some point in history.

Claiming that you are owned something because people of your race have been enslaved is a false belief. This attitude only divides people.
Indeed & is a point constantly spoken in the thread linked.
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To blame white people as a collective for slavery is a stupid and ignorant thing to do. To do so would really just be a lack of education on the subject. However what is equally as ignorant and disingenuous is the objective of this OP as other similar posts to this. This false narrative of there being as many black slave owners is historical revisionism aimed at specific agendas of trying to trivialize the suffering blacks have withstood in the New World.

We have seen all sorts of books and articles of white slavery etc., however despite all the spin of facts, it remains that most whites who were servants in the Americas chose to be in their position, and were not captured or treated anywhere near as harshly. You really have to question the motives of guys like Hoffman Jr. when he seems to be more angry at black people than the British who "enslaved" Irish people. Many of these so called slaves were in fact criminals (now whether or not they deserved to be arrested is another topic entirely) The whole objective again is to downplay black suffering, and not to educate about white people who also suffered, though not nearly to the same extent.

Regarding reparations, yes the descendants of black slaves deserve reparations. If a woman can get millions of dollars for burning her mouth on McDonnalds coffee, then descendants of slaves deserve to be paid for the atrocities suffered by their ancestors which have dire consequences to the present day. This money shouldn't come from tax payers however, it should come from the private corporations and banks who profited from the slave trade. Lehman Brothters who was bought out by Goldman Sachs was started by 2 Jewish brothers who made money from the cotton trade which used black slave labour. The irony is that the Jews get reparations for exaggerated or non existant atrocities from WW2, yet they are silent when it comes to this topic.
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I agree with resistance it wasn't the lower strata of Jews who benefited same as Europeans & Africans, the African tribal leaders (elites prospered by selling their own people, slavery has always been the way in Africa still is in places) some would say the slaves brought to America often had it better than they would if they stayed in Africa (them being slaves of their own race back there). Of course such behaviourism is not isolated to Africa.

Would like to add the Portuguese and Spanish Jews slavers were Sephardics, not Askenazis.

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If there's a sniff of compo then this one'll run and run.
Can't see it happening myself but good luck to anybody who might manage to screw a bit of compensation from the bankers.
I come from a long line of cotton mill workers many of whom died young through bisinosis ( cotton lung) way back in the cotton famine in Lancashire when the Civil War was on, thousands of mill workers starved, maybe we could dip our bread into that compensation egg too.
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