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Old 30-01-2017, 04:49 PM   #21
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Time was you could have a polite debate with people from a different political spectrum. Seems to me, since Leave won the EU referendum - only the new right populists are still up for discussion and debate.
I go on another forum that has some Nazis as members. It aint a Nazi forum they just join in. Bar one you can talk to them all and agree to disagree. The resident loony lefties on there though, all they do is shout abuse and troll threads. Never even attempt a sensible chat, just vitriol. Same goes for these pussy-hat lasses IMO.
The new left just won't listen or participate, all they seem to want do is scream and shout about THEIR own feelings, THEIR perceived grievances, how bad it is they lost and why the winning side never really won at all cos THEY don't like it. Boo Hoo.
Shutting down debate is a totalitarian tactic so I reckon that you might be on to something here Iam.
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Old 30-01-2017, 04:52 PM   #22
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It appears civilisation is reaching a markedly obvious situation, where the whole political edifice is now resting on feet composed of iron and clay. The two just won't mix.








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Off topic but fact check based on a rotten summer job in a foundry.
Molten iron is often cast in clay moulds.
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Old 30-01-2017, 04:54 PM   #23
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Off topic but fact check based on a rotten summer job in a foundry.
Molten iron is often cast in clay moulds.
But they don't mix, and this political polarisation is becoming more acute.
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Old 30-01-2017, 05:01 PM   #24
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But they don't mix, and this political polarisation is becoming more acute.
Fair play on the iron /clay issue.
Do you think it is polarisation these days though?
We sorta knew where we stood with old right versus old left.
Commies v Capitalists.
West v East
That sorta thing.
Nowadays who the feck is what?
The Revolutionary Communist Party morphed into the Libertarian Party.
Alt-right has some old left ideas.
UKIP targets former Labour voters here in the UK and wins them over.
Working class Democrats voted for Trump.
'New' left everywhere is pretty right wing insofar as authoritarianism goes.
IMO since 2016 we're into a new political paradigm where old terms like 'left' and 'right' have become pretty slippery.

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Old 30-01-2017, 05:03 PM   #25
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Ah, you must be finding what I am finding, that this forum is full of trolls.
I have noticed, as you and I'm sure others have, that as soon as someone makes a relevant post, it triggers a deluge of troll posts. Who keeps screaming about flat earth? Lot's of posts and opinions on that irelevant cack because the trolls know it goes nowhere.
Lot's of stupid UFO posts that also go nowhere.
Don't feed the trolls.
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Old 30-01-2017, 05:04 PM   #26
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There's certainly a lot of volatility at the moment and the iron and clay pieces appear all mixed up in the excitement, but fundamentally, IMO, the iron represents government and the clay people.

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Old 30-01-2017, 05:08 PM   #27
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Ive always considered myself to be politically "left wing", some people hold the opinion that my political beliefs are extreme, bordering on trotskyite.

Although I'd strongly disagree with most of their political views, If I had to pick 3 political commentators who currently represented my position the closest, I'd probably have to go for Nigel Farage, Milo and Paul Joseph Watson.

I find it absolutely fucking shocking that there isnt a single voice of reason on the left, and that the only people making any sense, or confronting the truth are conservatives.

As a group, politicians are deeply hypocritical, but even within that community, the hypocrisy from the left is quite staggering.
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Old 30-01-2017, 05:11 PM   #28
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Time was you could have a polite debate with people from a different political spectrum. Seems to me, since Leave won the EU referendum - only the new right populists are still up for discussion and debate.
I go on another forum that has some Nazis as members. It aint a Nazi forum they just join in. Bar one you can talk to them all and agree to disagree. The resident loony lefties on there though, all they do is shout abuse and troll threads. Never even attempt a sensible chat, just vitriol. Same goes for these pussy-hat lasses IMO.
The new left just won't listen or participate, all they seem to want do is scream and shout about THEIR own feelings, THEIR perceived grievances, how bad it is they lost and why the winning side never really won at all cos THEY don't like it. Boo Hoo.
Shutting down debate is a totalitarian tactic so I reckon that you might be on to something here Iam.
you must have seen that same process going on here on this forum GMP?

the authoritarian-fascist-left people or what you call the 'looney left' people do exactly the same on this forum; they just endlessly abuse other forum members and refuse to break things down so that we can get down to the foundational stuff and really understand what the driving forces are behind all these things

I have various theories for this

One reason is because much of their programming comes from 'critical theory' which is pushed in universities and in New Left media which teaches young people to be critical of their country, their society, their religion and their history but without ever offering any viable solution

This is done to make them hate not only their own society but also themselves so that they willingly accept any crimes that are then done to them by the technocracts eg forced, orchestrated mass immigration

Exponents of critical theory cannot give a solution to the problems of the west to the young people they are brainwashing to hate themselves because to do so would be to admit what their reasons are for what they do which is to assist the breakdown of western society so that the NWO oligarchs can impose a new technocratic police state on them

Another reason why so many 'looney-left' ie authoritarian-fascist-left or what i call the 'fake-left' people don't behave in a resonable way is because they are not motivated by rational thought. They are motivated by hatred. These are the people that critical theory and political correctness has conditioned to believe have an axe to grind with western society

These are the poeple who are handed victim cards by political correctness and who are then told that the people responsible for all the pain in their life are for example 'men', if they are feminists or 'white people' if they are black or hispanic or 'white aryans' if they are jewish

All these groups have been radicalised by the oligarchs to be used as shock troops against western society and they are either too dull or to hate driven to realise that they are being duped and used by the capitalist oligarchs who were the true players behind the crimes perpetrated throughout history against various peoples

you can't reason with angry people until they calm down and the oligarch controlled corporate-fascist media will not let people calm down; their job is to whip everyone into a frenzy so that they cannot engage their rational mind
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Mowgli is a bit like humanity growing up, and government is like King Louis trying to maintain the status quo, maintaining the ancient Babylon system / political edifice/empire...





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Old 30-01-2017, 05:14 PM   #30
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Ive always considered myself to be politically "left wing", some people hold the opinion that my political beliefs are extreme, bordering on trotskyite.

Although I'd strongly disagree with most of their political views, If I had to pick 3 political commentators who currently represented my position the closest, I'd probably have to go for Nigel Farage, Milo and Paul Joseph Watson.

I find it absolutely fucking shocking that there isnt a single voice of reason on the left, and that the only people making any sense, or confronting the truth are conservatives.

As a group, politicians are deeply hypocritical, but even within that community, the hypocrisy from the left is quite staggering.
Populism mate.
Neither left nor right, just what the voters want to hear.
UKIP will win in Stoke yet Stoke was an old Labour stronghold.
Tony Blair did for the Labour Party that stood for the workers.
It's been downhill ever since.
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Using common sense and facts is now nazism, fascism, racism and islamophobia.
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Old 30-01-2017, 05:16 PM   #32
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Ive always considered myself to be politically "left wing", some people hold the opinion that my political beliefs are extreme, bordering on trotskyite.

Although I'd strongly disagree with most of their political views, If I had to pick 3 political commentators who currently represented my position the closest, I'd probably have to go for Nigel Farage, Milo and Paul Joseph Watson.

I find it absolutely fucking shocking that there isnt a single voice of reason on the left, and that the only people making any sense, or confronting the truth are conservatives.

As a group, politicians are deeply hypocritical, but even within that community, the hypocrisy from the left is quite staggering.
its because what is being called the 'left' is really run by the same people who financed the nazis

they have a scheme to create a fourth reich or what is being called a 'new world order' which would involve a centralised world government that uses computers, robots and other technology to micro-manage the human slave class who have not been depopulated through various means
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Old 30-01-2017, 05:18 PM   #33
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you must have seen that same process going on here on this forum GMP?

the authoritarian-fascist-left people or what you call the 'looney left' people do exactly the same on this forum; they just endlessly abuse other forum members and refuse to break things down so that we can get down to the foundational stuff and really understand what the driving forces are behind all these things

I have various theories for this

One reason is because much of their programming comes from 'critical theory' which is pushed in universities and in New Left media which teaches young people to be critical of their country, their society, their religion and their history but without ever offering any viable solution

This is done to make them hate not only their own society but also themselves so that they willingly accept any crimes that are then done to them by the technocracts eg forced, orchestrated mass immigration

Exponents of critical theory cannot give a solution to the problems of the west to the young people they are brainwashing to hate themselves because to do so would be to admit what their reasons are for what they do which is to assist the breakdown of western society so that the NWO oligarchs can impose a new technocratic police state on them

Another reason why so many 'looney-left' ie authoritarian-fascist-left or what i call the 'fake-left' people don't behave in a resonable way is because they are not motivated by rational thought. They are motivated by hatred. These are the people that critical theory and political correctness has conditioned to believe have an axe to grind with western society

These are the poeple who are handed victim cards by political correctness and who are then told that the people responsible for all the pain in their life are for example 'men', if they are feminists or 'white people' if they are black or hispanic or 'white aryans' if they are jewish

All these groups have been radicalised by the oligarchs to be used as shock troops against western society and they are either too dull or to hate driven to realise that they are being duped and used by the capitalist oligarchs who were the true players behind the crimes perpetrated throughout history against various peoples

you can't reason with angry people until they calm down and the oligarch controlled corporate-fascist media will not let people calm down; their job is to whip everyone into a frenzy so that they cannot engage their rational mind
Spot on.
Amazing innit.
There's you from what I presume is a traditionally right wing sorta background.
Me from a quite left leaning background , yet we totes agree.
What da feck happened?

Maybe now we can get rid of those old fashioned right v left BS labels and fashion something that people really want.
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Old 30-01-2017, 05:21 PM   #34
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Spot on.
Amazing innit.
There's you from what I presume is a traditionally right wing sorta background.
Me from a quite left leaning background , yet we totes agree.
What da feck happened?

Maybe now we can get rid of those old fashioned right v left BS labels and fashion something that people really want.
Now yer talkin'.

Calling all Iranians swarthy coves and a rum lot isn't bigotry at all. Lol. It's plumb centre.

Nice to see you've changed your ways since yesterday and are no longer part of a self confessed alt right conspiracy to infiltrate and subvert.

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Spot on.
Amazing innit.
There's you from what I presume is a traditionally right wing sorta background.
Me from a quite left leaning background , yet we totes agree.
What da feck happened?

Maybe now we can get rid of those old fashioned right v left BS labels and fashion something that people really want.
no my sympathies lie with libertarianism with a leaning towards the left!

I have never considered myself 'right wing' although i do admire some qualities of the libertarian right for example: innovation, independence and a can-do attitude

this is why i call these 'looney-left' people the 'fake-left' because i consider libertarian socialism to be the true left

if the 'left' is about empowering the workers then it MUST be about decentralising power and decision making down to the workers but the 'looney left' is about handing more centralised power to the oligarchs and government so they are anti-worker and pro-oligarch (pro-NWO)
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The opposition to the alt-right/populism/common sense is the fake left, which is an irrational, highly emotional, cognitively dissonant, media driven, cult of histrionic hysteria.
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The opposition to the alt-right/populism/common sense is the fake left, which is an irrational, highly emotional, cognitively dissonant, media driven, cult of histrionic hysteria.
What about the real left? Are they not in opposition to the right, or is the alt right the real left? Perhaps the mainstream right is the fake left?

All I see here is obfuscation and discombobulation. Or perhaps just tactics. Darn this place is getting dull.

Like it's come down to a sad and sorry insult fest as to who's the most politically correct.

F-in' bullshit, the lot of it.

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Old 30-01-2017, 09:55 PM   #38
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The opposition to the alt-right/populism/common sense is the fake left, which is an irrational, highly emotional, cognitively dissonant, media driven, cult of histrionic hysteria.
But which came first? Each is a reaction/over-reaction to the other....

Seems to me like they were both designed and promoted to do exactly what they're doing....Divide, label and pidgeon-hole.

It's working a treat. Everywhere.
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What about the real left? Are they not in opposition to the right, or is the alt right the real left? Perhaps the mainstream right is the fake left?

All I see here is obfuscation and discombobulation. Or perhaps just tactics. Darn this place is getting dull.

Like it's come down to a sad and sorry insult fest as to who's the most politically correct.

F-in' bullshit, the lot of it.

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Can you imagine these "alt right" mob on here are pretending to actually be "left leaning" but because of the "fake left" they now have no choice but to be a bunch of Neo Nazi's.

You seriously cannot make this shit up. Crazy times we live in.

The whole anti-PC charade was simply to normalize bigotry and hatred. I've been saying this for a while, and we are seeing it manifest now.

Suddenly bigotry and xenophobia is now "common sense" by "ex leftists"

Who the fuck are they fooling ?
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Its not like we were never warned of the dangers of Idol worship, and its like lessons never learned, it takes a right and left leg to goose step.
The OP suggests the left should of done more to stop the wars, but the left was right and the right started it..

People need to cop on..
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