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Old 23-06-2013, 11:37 PM   #1
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Default True survivors have no money at all?

Im realising that if you need money then you contribute to every problem the earth has facing it!

Im no hippie or ganja smoking renegade (NOTHING WRONG WITH EITHER), im a construction worker and father who whenever I have money its like holding a hot brick and cant wait to get rid of it!!! Every vice costs you money! Therefore you are killing yourself by earning it or just needing it!

Surely we can survive without having to earn money!

Try convincing anyone of that, even yourself is difficult I know!

A piece of paper with a promise of value?

Its fucking bogroll with blood on it really!

Someone tell me (without a charity) why we really need it! Other than to prop up the system that most of us want to destroy!
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Old 23-06-2013, 11:46 PM   #2
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The only reason I can see that we need it to survive is because there are not enough people (in each community or town or whatever) who are willing or able to source & supply locally, and therefore able to go without money.

The Armish (& I only really know about for them from KingPin ) for example are a community who are self sufficient.

But difference between existing & living - I don't know how you keep production on non essential items going without money though?

- The real underlying problem I think is that too few people have too much of the money/assets, so this will never be solved that I can see.

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Old 23-06-2013, 11:49 PM   #3
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Im realising that if you need money then you contribute to every problem the earth has facing it!

Im no hippie or ganja smoking renegade (NOTHING WRONG WITH EITHER), im a construction worker and father who whenever I have money its like holding a hot brick and cant wait to get rid of it!!! Every vice costs you money! Therefore you are killing yourself by earning it or just needing it!

Surely we can survive without having to earn money!

Try convincing anyone of that, even yourself is difficult I know!

A piece of paper with a promise of value?

Its fucking bogroll with blood on it really!

Someone tell me (without a charity) why we really need it! Other than to prop up the system that most of us want to destroy!
you are right, this is why the global consciousness of man is still in the gutter, because they cherish material objects more than knowledge and understanding.

It will never change my friend, not in our life times. Alas, we all shall soon be out'a'ere to leave the zombies too it!
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Old 24-06-2013, 12:04 AM   #4
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I now go to bed, only to wake up and get my going to work head back on.

Its pitiful maybe, but what choice don't I have?

Im angry all the time and just want to not be, just sell myself weekly (weakly morelike!)

Money its a gas!

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Old 24-06-2013, 12:49 AM   #5
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Money is needed as we need something to trade for goods , otherwise paying for a service would be difficult, well more so than today.

Money itself isnt bad , its just how much power is put into it thats the problem , or the incentive /greed to acquire money at any cost just about is what is wrong.

Before money people would war over fertile lands and grazing patches etc.

I mean in order for this world to "turn" there has to be a reason in theory , otherwise if nobody was getting paid nobody would work(not in the sence we know it as today anyway , unless at gun point) , well there wouldnt be any internet, no water , no hospitals etc, all these people are there because the incentive of money seams worth enough for them to get out of bed. At the very least the quality of these things would slowly become worse and worse as there no paid technicians etc to maintain it etc.

The argument about pay and rent/cost of living being to high due to inflation tho , thats a whole other ball park.
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Old 15-08-2013, 07:55 PM   #6
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If we all had land like we were supposed to, things would be different. Over the years money has been used to take land away, creating a world of serfs and tennants. Just like the banks are doing nowadays.
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Old 15-08-2013, 09:58 PM   #7
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If we all had land like we were supposed to, things would be different. Over the years money has been used to take land away, creating a world of serfs and tennants. Just like the banks are doing nowadays.
Yeah and the one they sing about "god saving..." is one of the biggest culprits!

Raped the earth and people still pay her to do so.

The banks/gangsters are just utilizing the peoples weaknesses. A mouldy carrot dangling in front of a blind donkey!
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Old 15-08-2013, 10:13 PM   #8
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The Mafia (I mean Government ) make sure you need it! It's to control you.
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Old 15-08-2013, 11:34 PM   #9
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The only reason I can see that we need it to survive is because there are not enough people (in each community or town or whatever) who are willing or able to source & supply locally, and therefore able to go without money.

The Armish (& I only really know about for them from KingPin ) for example are a community who are self sufficient.

But difference between existing & living - I don't know how you keep production on non essential items going without money though?

- The real underlying problem I think is that too few people have too much of the money/assets, so this will never be solved that I can see.
Imagine if everyone went to work as normal
And imagine if everyone didn't use any of their pay packet .
right across the board no exemptions ,
What would all those ceos do .

the infrastructure for self reliance is out there in front of our eyes is what I'm saying ,
If you couldn't pay your gas bill or mortage who would cut you off or evict you if they were onside with you ,
it's a far get he'd idea but not far off socialism yet socialism is less respected than anal herpes .
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Old 15-08-2013, 11:50 PM   #10
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Only thing wrong with money is that working stiffs don't have enough of it and rich feckers have way too much.
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Old 16-08-2013, 12:31 AM   #11
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Im realising that if you need money then you contribute to every problem the earth has facing it!

Im no hippie or ganja smoking renegade (NOTHING WRONG WITH EITHER), im a construction worker and father who whenever I have money its like holding a hot brick and cant wait to get rid of it!!! Every vice costs you money! Therefore you are killing yourself by earning it or just needing it!

Surely we can survive without having to earn money!

Try convincing anyone of that, even yourself is difficult I know!

A piece of paper with a promise of value?

Its fucking bogroll with blood on it really!

Someone tell me (without a charity) why we really need it! Other than to prop up the system that most of us want to destroy!
We need it to buy goods and services. Your kids need food, clothes, etc.

You could probably do without it if you didn't own property and lived in the woods somewhere, and had useful skills which you traded for the things you need that you couldn't grow or make yourself.

How about this: instead of blaming your money for your vices, you just put the blame where it belongs and admit you're weak? Maybe you could work on your vices if you knew what they were and how to control them. Then you could save money instead of getting lottery tickets and booze (or whatever your vices are).
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Old 16-08-2013, 12:39 AM   #12
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get off the grid and learn to live independantly what few dollars you earn will go much farther
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Old 16-08-2013, 12:46 AM   #13
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The ptb possess all the resources, and they say that we can't have any of those resources unless we use their green pieces of paper. And it's gonna get even worse, cos they are soon getting rid of the paper and are gonna use nanochips instead.

So what is the answer to this conundrum ? Take the power back ?
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Old 16-08-2013, 12:59 AM   #14
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The ptb possess all the resources, and they say that we can't have any of those resources unless we use their green pieces of paper. And it's gonna get even worse, cos they are soon getting rid of the paper and are gonna use nanochips instead.

So what is the answer to this conundrum ? Take the power back ?
They don't possess all the resources. If you buy some low-value real estate and use it cleverly you can be almost entirely self-sufficient.

If you go on thinking that it's utterly, utterly hopeless then you have created a prophecy for your own downfall.
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Old 16-08-2013, 01:17 AM   #15
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They don't possess all the resources. If you buy some low-value real estate and use it cleverly you can be almost entirely self-sufficient.

If you go on thinking that it's utterly, utterly hopeless then you have created a prophecy for your own downfall.
I'm aware of all that self fullfilling prophecy stuff, but sometimes you gotta do a simple analysis, to work out where it's all going wrong for us. If you do the maths, you will see that we simply cant all live like you are suggesting....that is unless we get wise to all this, and do something about it.

Btw I'm not saying that it is hopeless. The ptb have control of everything pretty much, cos we have given our power away. Take it back I say. Humanity needs to remember who they really are (to coin a phrase )
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Old 16-08-2013, 01:32 AM   #16
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I believe what you are saying is true - but feel kind of opposite about money these days - why? Because it is easier for most of us than anything else would be. Work x hours get paid x dollars buy whatever is needed. End of. Alternative? Collectives where a few people do the work and the rest bludge? Bartering? On cow for 6 chickens? For fudge sake, who could be bothered? Some form of socialism? Working for the the greater good? People just aren't capable of it. I think the elites whoever or whatever they are realise that without selfish motivation people would not do a single thing.
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If we all had land like we were supposed to, things would be different. Over the years money has been used to take land away, creating a world of serfs and tennants. Just like the banks are doing nowadays.
I think that this is one of the most true comments I have seen on this entire site.
The concept of reducing others to a state of want (lacking basic necessities) is a form of control and power. Greed, selfishness and the ego is at the root. Who is any human to decide that only some should have land, and others not? Access to a place on this earth to stand, to lay your head, to keep safe your necessary possessions, and to feed and provide shelter for your children is a basic human need. I wonder, too, who are these humans to dictate that wild things such as birds should not inhabit the air, small creatures not inhabit the soil and other creatures not inhabit the waters?

Now, even someone has taken to 'selling real estate' on the moon.

"Officially authorized by the Luna Society, the leading advocacy group for private ownership of land on the Moon, and in accordance with the Lunar Settlement Initiative, your lunar land claim purchase benefits the Kennedy 2 Lunar Exploration Project and other public-private programs to return humans to the Moon."

http://lunarregistry.com/
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Humans could live off the land, all they would need would be just enough to sustain them.

But there will always be those who want more than just enough to survive.

We've been growing fruit trees and next year hope to have enough to start exchanging with our farmer for eggs - we buy them from him at a fraction of the price of the supermarkets as it is, so we're hoping this is going to work out!

To be honest all we use is our local butchers and farm - we don't use supermarkets for very much at all now, there's a local shop that sells toiletries etc, and if they don't have what we need, then that's when we have to use the supermarket.
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Old 16-08-2013, 10:49 AM   #19
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The Amish got it right from the start....no modern tech...at all

Someone called me a fuken hippie down at Blackpool punk fest.......lol

Kinda liked it .......
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Im realising that if you need money then you contribute to every problem the earth has facing it!

Im no hippie or ganja smoking renegade (NOTHING WRONG WITH EITHER), im a construction worker and father who whenever I have money its like holding a hot brick and cant wait to get rid of it!!! Every vice costs you money! Therefore you are killing yourself by earning it or just needing it!

Surely we can survive without having to earn money!

Try convincing anyone of that, even yourself is difficult I know!

A piece of paper with a promise of value?

Its fucking bogroll with blood on it really!

Someone tell me (without a charity) why we really need it! Other than to prop up the system that most of us want to destroy!
We dont need money (piece of paper with a promise of value) but we need some thing of value of which to barter be it goods, resources or labour..
Thing is what we commonly use as money (fiat) is a scam and a fraud.

I am a hippie and ganja smoking renegade, in my youth i travelled working on farms..we didnt need money as such in mays cases, just the stuff money could buy like fuel, food and ganja which could of been grown by the farmers we worked for and would of been accepted by us as payment for our labour.
But say we needed some thing like a tyre that the farmer/employer could not provide a common means of exchange (money of some kind) would be needed..why it was always good to have a stash of metal
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