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Old 01-08-2011, 04:41 PM   #21
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A soul (I/you/me) can go back "in" the golden light, but will end up going back to forgetting itself and starting the "journey" again once more.
Does this mean you disagree with the David Icke quote I posted on page one of this thread?

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"If you are interested in 'New Age' thought or some of the Eastern religions and philosophies the next bit might be a bit of a surprise. The voice explained to me that the vast majority of 'incarnate' consciousness that left the 'physical' body at what we call 'death' did not consciously reconnect with the Infinite. Instead it moved to other 'non-physical' dimensions of the Matrix. Consciousness may have withdrawn from the Time Loop, but it was still in the flytrap, albeit a less dense expression of it. Reincarnation was the cycle of consciousness moving in and out of the Time Loop from other levels of the Matrix. The concept of reincarnation is another creation of the Matrix entity to hold consciousness in a cycle of servitude while believing it is 'evolving' through experience in line with the New Age belief. 'Do you think the Infinite has to reincarnate?' the voice said. 'Consciousness in the Matrix is also the Infinite, so why does that have to reincarnate?' It doesn't, it just believes that it does. As with the saying 'death is no cure for ignorance,' so it was the case that consciousness in other levels of the Matrix was also trapped by illusions. When consciousness withdrew from the 'physical' body it did not become immediately re-enlightened. That depended on its reality. In the five-sense realm what we think we should see is what we appear to see and experience. This, the voice explained, is what also happened in other frequencies of the Matrix. If consiousness left the body believing totally that it was going to the heaven of Jesus and the Christian version of God, this would be its experience; that is what it would 'see' because that is what it believed it would see. It was the same with the other religious beliefs and the Matrix maintained a Christian 'heaven,' Islamic 'heaven,' Hindu 'heaven,' and Jewish 'heaven,' etc. But these were nothing more than figments of expectation. Only that which was free of conditioned belief was able to transcend the vibratory illusions of the Matrix and become consciously one with the Infinite. Belief was the prison and other levels of the Matrix were different levels of illusion. This meant that the overwhelming majority of information 'channelled' through psychics in the Time Loop was from consciousness still caught in the Matrix. This might know more than those in the Time Loop density, but it was still in the web of illusion....

"The voice told me how 'New Age' thought and some philosophies of the East and native peoples were more enlightened than those of the purely Time Loop religions and sciences of mainstream society. The 'New Age' reality understood that the 'physical' realm was only one dimension of existence and there were many more beyond the vibrational walls of human senses. That was good, but what was not understood is that these other vibrating dimensions were still levels of the Matrix. They provided the constant 'supply' of consciousness to inhabit the Time Loop and generate the fear necessary to keep the Matrix 'alive.' New Age beliefs in a 'Great White Brotherhood' or an 'Ashtar Command' communicating with their chosen people were manipulations of the Time Loop from other levels of the Matrix. In fact, some were even communications from within the Time Loop planted in the minds of the 'psychic' by mind-control and forms of technological 'telepathy.' When psychics, like those in stage shows and television, were communicating with the deceased relatives of the audience, there were contacting levels of the Matrix very close to the Time Loop reality. Their other-frequency communicators may realise that there are other 'worlds' beyond the 'physical,' but they were still in the realms of Matrix delusion. They communicated about going to 'Halls of Learning' in their non-physical world and how the Earth was a spiritual 'university' where people came to learn some tough lessons and work out their 'karma.' This was illusion, the voice said, total illuuuuusion! 'Do you think the Infinite has to go to school to learn anything when it knows everything there is to know?' the voice said. As for 'karma,' the idea that you experience what you have made others experience, the voice asked: 'Why should the Infinite have to experience what it has made itself experience?' The idea of karma was a Matrix manipulation to indoctrinate beliefs in the passage of 'time' -- it's my karma from a past life or I am building karma for the future -- and to maintain people in a state of guilt and self-loathing." [Emphasis original]
-- David Icke, Tales from the Time Loop, pp. 337-39
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Old 01-08-2011, 07:17 PM   #22
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Does this mean you disagree with the David Icke quote I posted on page one of this thread?

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"If you are interested in 'New Age' thought or some of the Eastern religions and philosophies the next bit might be a bit of a surprise. The voice explained to me that the vast majority of 'incarnate' consciousness that left the 'physical' body at what we call 'death' did not consciously reconnect with the Infinite. Instead it moved to other 'non-physical' dimensions of the Matrix. Consciousness may have withdrawn from the Time Loop, but it was still in the flytrap, albeit a less dense expression of it. Reincarnation was the cycle of consciousness moving in and out of the Time Loop from other levels of the Matrix. The concept of reincarnation is another creation of the Matrix entity to hold consciousness in a cycle of servitude while believing it is 'evolving' through experience in line with the New Age belief. 'Do you think the Infinite has to reincarnate?' the voice said. 'Consciousness in the Matrix is also the Infinite, so why does that have to reincarnate?' It doesn't, it just believes that it does. As with the saying 'death is no cure for ignorance,' so it was the case that consciousness in other levels of the Matrix was also trapped by illusions. When consciousness withdrew from the 'physical' body it did not become immediately re-enlightened. That depended on its reality. In the five-sense realm what we think we should see is what we appear to see and experience. This, the voice explained, is what also happened in other frequencies of the Matrix. If consiousness left the body believing totally that it was going to the heaven of Jesus and the Christian version of God, this would be its experience; that is what it would 'see' because that is what it believed it would see. It was the same with the other religious beliefs and the Matrix maintained a Christian 'heaven,' Islamic 'heaven,' Hindu 'heaven,' and Jewish 'heaven,' etc. But these were nothing more than figments of expectation. Only that which was free of conditioned belief was able to transcend the vibratory illusions of the Matrix and become consciously one with the Infinite. Belief was the prison and other levels of the Matrix were different levels of illusion. This meant that the overwhelming majority of information 'channelled' through psychics in the Time Loop was from consciousness still caught in the Matrix. This might know more than those in the Time Loop density, but it was still in the web of illusion....

"The voice told me how 'New Age' thought and some philosophies of the East and native peoples were more enlightened than those of the purely Time Loop religions and sciences of mainstream society. The 'New Age' reality understood that the 'physical' realm was only one dimension of existence and there were many more beyond the vibrational walls of human senses. That was good, but what was not understood is that these other vibrating dimensions were still levels of the Matrix. They provided the constant 'supply' of consciousness to inhabit the Time Loop and generate the fear necessary to keep the Matrix 'alive.' New Age beliefs in a 'Great White Brotherhood' or an 'Ashtar Command' communicating with their chosen people were manipulations of the Time Loop from other levels of the Matrix. In fact, some were even communications from within the Time Loop planted in the minds of the 'psychic' by mind-control and forms of technological 'telepathy.' When psychics, like those in stage shows and television, were communicating with the deceased relatives of the audience, there were contacting levels of the Matrix very close to the Time Loop reality. Their other-frequency communicators may realise that there are other 'worlds' beyond the 'physical,' but they were still in the realms of Matrix delusion. They communicated about going to 'Halls of Learning' in their non-physical world and how the Earth was a spiritual 'university' where people came to learn some tough lessons and work out their 'karma.' This was illusion, the voice said, total illuuuuusion! 'Do you think the Infinite has to go to school to learn anything when it knows everything there is to know?' the voice said. As for 'karma,' the idea that you experience what you have made others experience, the voice asked: 'Why should the Infinite have to experience what it has made itself experience?' The idea of karma was a Matrix manipulation to indoctrinate beliefs in the passage of 'time' -- it's my karma from a past life or I am building karma for the future -- and to maintain people in a state of guilt and self-loathing." [Emphasis original]
-- David Icke, Tales from the Time Loop, pp. 337-39
No not all, but labeling it a “matrix “is a pretty negative outlet to describe the phenomenon.

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The voice explained to me that the vast majority of 'incarnate' consciousness that left the 'physical' body at what we call 'death' did not consciously reconnect with the Infinite.
If a soul were to connect completely to the infinite it would not know itself because there would be no “you” to reference, as you lose yourself of identity and focal point of recognition.


(not to be taken literally)
[loop (Golden light (void emptiness) <-less density "you"(hub) -> * <-high density "you" (heaven) -> (transcend above) white light (reincarnate)-> * <-Physical(you) -> * < (reincarnate) white light (transcend above) <-high density "high" "you" (heaven)-> * <-less density "you"(hub) -> Golden light (void emptiness) loop]
* = self exploration


There would be no point in experience.



As I said earlier, “Absolute perfect state outside time is blissful but would be purposeless or as answers/viewpoints are neutralized (“given”). We
"forget" ourselves to rediscover our Divinity through the reflection of the infinite”. If we become the infinite (golden light) there would be no dot/point to contrast too. And if there’s no dot to contrast too then it’s like resetting all of your soul’s experiences. Hence why I said it's like "forgetting" yourself and starting the journey again.

You can choose to go in the golden light (reset yourself) or you can choose to explore "your"self, create, go in(white light:heaven belief systems/reincarnate) creation, etc. from your souls focal point(mind that develops from experiences).
It’s all about expressing divinity.
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Old 01-08-2011, 08:13 PM   #23
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As I said because it does not accord with my personal experience.

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and does this mean you remember your last transition phase of only seeing a white light and entering it then?
Not sure that I said that I only saw a white light glitter. But yes I do remember it, whilst dying in hospital. Whetehr it was spiritual, religious or brain chemicals going do lally does not matter much, for it was quite a journey.

If you search this forum you will will no doubt find an account of it somewhere.
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Stewart Swerdlow said the white light is a technology that traps your soul and that you should go to a violet or gold light instead!
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I really wouldnt stress about it, if my own experience is anything to go by you will find your way ok.
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Stewart Swerdlow said the white light is a technology that traps your soul and that you should go to a violet or gold light instead!
I thought the violet light was associated with st. germaine/ascended masters. Arn't those guys the fake ones trying to trick humans into worshipping them?

Stewart I'll look out for you account on your experience with the light.....

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If you search this forum you will will no doubt find an account of it somewhere.
ok you have way too many posts to get through! Have you got a link, that will be easier?
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My Great Grandma claimed to have seen a bright white light in her room the night before she passed away. She said she was very scared of it, the next morning the pastor from the local church was called to her house and informed her that she will be going to heaven now, she smiled and passed away.

Not sure if she saw the white light again as she passed, but hopefully her smile was a sign that she knew where she was going was good.
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ok you have way too many posts to get through! Have you got a link, that will be easier?
Somewhere but it would be quiker for me to retype, so here goes.

A couple of years ago I got a small cut in my ear that got infected and which nearly killed me. I lost my energy, was in a fever etc and my doctor was so worried that she had me admitted to hospital once golfballs appeared on my face which antibiotics werent working on. After a few days in hospital banged full of antibiotics I tried to persuade the doctor to discharge me as I felt fine. Fortunately for me she showed caution and said one more night.

Early that evening I felt my body begin to close down on me, bit by bit, and I remember struggling to get form the toilet to the nurses station. I was told to sit on a chair and to stay awake. When I was next checked I said that I could keep awake no longer so I got permission to sleep but was warned that I would be checked on again in 2 hours.

Feeling myself dying my only concern at that moment in time was whether I had "done enough" in life, and as I passed into sleep, in a fever spike, fulled by antibiotics (so yes I do know about hallucinations and brain chemicals) I found myself going through what I can only describe as an ancient Egyptian judgement ceremony. Which to my suprise I passed. I remember asking the Gods if they were sure Anyhow it was confirmed and I was told that I could now pass trhough the door and walk with them. But I hesitated, still in disbelief that I had "done enough" and before I could do much else I was then whisked through a more traditional Christian scene though the easiest way for me to explain it is to use the anology of an underground train. There was me in a carriage going through a tunnel passing a station full of demons trying to get at me and once I had passed through that I entered a more traditional tunnel of white light, at the end of which I found myself chatting at the old gates of heaven, where again as I was being invited to pass over I was reassured again that I had done enough and that I could walk forwards and pass through. At which point I was asked if I would consider returning, but it was a completely free choice and I was told that God understood that i may not want to, and I certainly didnt have to. But some requests are difficult to turn down and while I very nearly did pass over I made the free will choice to return.

At which point I was immediately workn up by a nurse checking on me, my fever had gone completely and I felt like I could run, I was so full of energy, and comfort and peace. Worried the doctor no end though and I was transferred to a specialist surgical ward the following morning in another hospital (apparently the fever spike combined with my facial golfballs - worried about abscesses affecting my brain etc), where I stayed for a week, escaping the knifes after missing a good breakfast one morning after my golfballs made good overnight recovery.

While it took me a year to regain my energy, I have never felt more content or at peace. For whetehr it was a rligious/spiritual experience where I now have a divine link, or whether it was simply brain chemicals going dolally in a antibiotic fuelled fever spike leaving me in this state, or whetehr I have simply grown up, who knows. But since then my esoteric knowledge has developed with leaps and bounds and while the daily grind of life still frustrates me at times, the divine connection that I have remains with me.

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I can assure you form my own personal experience and from others that I have been around, that one you are ready to go you are content and happy with it. There is no fear. There may be a lot of fear for those left behind, but not for the person who is moving on.
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I have heard a slight variant of the white light as soul catcher. This is based upon the premise that humanity is an artificial race created to be slaves to their alien master who genetically engineered first man from the indigenous hominids of earth. Humanity was imbued with the intelligence required to be useful but also with a soul. That was a problem as reincarnated humans remembering their past lives in slavery would become difficult to control. Hence the alien creators made the soul catcher machines (allegedly physically real and located on Mars and on the Moon) to trap the souls of the dead and wipe the memories before reimplanting the soul in a new body. The memory-wiped slave shows much slower spiritual development and can be a useful slave time and time again.

This is quite interesting because it suggests that reincarnation, perhaps by choice, is the natural course of a soul seeking spiritual development and eventual integration into the universal consciousness, but that under natural circumstances the soul should bring memory of past lives and therefore an opportunity for more rapid development. If so, then we must surely seek to avoid the white, but I'm guessing there are also grave risks in prematurely seeking to end the reincarnation cycle. I'm guessing it is not good to seek to move on from this cycle without being spiritually prepared.

Those people on this thread who think they have much volition in where they go after death are likely deluding themselves. Avoiding the white light will require a degree of control, volition and soul-awareness that you will not possess without arduous preparation through meditation etc. I am told that certain Buddhist sects in Tibet teach precisely what you must do. Although it is not likely to be quite like this the soul should "look" over its "shoulder" to find the "door" to leave the cycle and avoid the white light. I did not learn what colour of light came from the door.
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I found myself going through what I can only describe as an ancient Egyptian judgement ceremony. Which to my suprise I passed. I remember asking the Gods if they were sure Anyhow it was confirmed and I was told that I could now pass trhough the door and walk with them. But I hesitated, still in disbelief that I had "done enough" and before I could do much else I was then whisked through a more traditional Christian scene though the easiest way for me to explain it is to use the anology of an underground train.
Thanks for sharing your story with us. Its interesting that you describe an egyptian type of judgment and ceremony going on, did you have any relgious beliefs connected to the egyptians or even christianity prior to this experience you described?
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Thanks for sharing your story with us. Its interesting that you describe an egyptian type of judgment and ceremony going on, did you have any relgious beliefs connected to the egyptians or even christianity prior to this experience you described?
I am facinated by Ancient Egypt and what is known as the Book of the Dead is very dear to me (though I see it more as a book of living). Re christianity I consider myself to be a gnostic christian.

Hence the ancient sgyptian ceremony is perhaps understanable. Re the christian bit, well my gnosticism proved itself - first hand knowledge. And at that moment of my body closing down on me, my fever spiking, and me standing at the old gates being invited through them, before being asked to consider returning, it appeared that God has no problem with it. Even if some religions in our world today do (to think in this part of the world a few generations ago I could be brutally tortured in the name of God and ultimately murdered because of my personal knoweldge of the Divine). Nowadays at least those who fear such truth can put it down to hallucination under the influence of hospital antibiotics combined with a fever spike.
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So the fact you had a religion in christianity and being fascinated by ancient eyptian proves the reason why you saw these in the after life because of your pre-beliefs right.

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So the fact you had a religion in christianity and being fascinated by ancient eyptian proves the reason why you saw these in the after life because of your pre-beliefs right.
Glitter I have always said that it could be:-

1. A religious/spiritual experience (in terms that I am comfortable with, presumably the case for all of us), or
2. My brain chemicals going do lally as my body drifted out of action and into sleep during a fever spike while being extensively dosed up on antibiotics in hospital.

There are no facts here, only experiences.
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Brilliant OP! Check out Diane Gobles books on conscious dying, she differentiates between the WHITE LIEGHT (Reincarnation) and the CLEAR LYGHT (Emancipation) most people would not be able to recognize the CLEAR LYGHT when dying as they are not ready for it (Just yet) don't worry you still have ummm...eternity to figure it out, people who are ready will get flashes of this clear LYGHT during life which will bring forth knowledge and understanding and will help them recognize and see it at the moment of physical death.
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Brilliant OP! Check out Diane Gobles books on conscious dying, she differentiates between the WHITE LIEGHT (Reincarnation) and the CLEAR LYGHT (Emancipation) most people would not be able to recognize the CLEAR LYGHT when dying as they are not ready for it (Just yet)
If an individual isn't "ready" to be free from the reincarnation trap, then why isn't he ready? Because the individual himself doesn't want to be free of this trap, or because some self-appointed tyrant of the spirit world doesn't want him to be free of it?

If the latter, then who exactly is this tyrant, and why should anyone presume that his professed authority over others is legitimate?

Sounds like another form of mind control to me. Another way of conning people into thinking they have neither the right nor the power to control their own spiritual destiny.

Anyone who says that a spirit can be rightfully forced to incarnate -- against its will -- in this abomination called physical reality is no friend of mine, no matter how "loving" and "caring" he portrays himself to be.
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If an individual isn't "ready" to be free from the reincarnation trap, then why isn't he ready? Because the individual himself doesn't want to be free of this trap, or because some self-appointed tyrant of the spirit world doesn't want him to be free of it?

If the latter, then who exactly is this tyrant, and why should anyone presume that his professed authority over others is legitimate?

Sounds like another form of mind control to me. Another way of conning people into thinking they have neither the right nor the power to control their own spiritual destiny.

Anyone who says that a spirit can be rightfully forced to incarnate -- against its will -- in this abomination called physical reality is no friend of mine, no matter how "loving" and "caring" he portrays himself to be.
Nah, the Higher Self, the individual is just a programmed organic robot.
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Nah, the Higher Self, the individual is just a programmed organic robot.
I'm highly suspicious of the "higher self" theory as well, because this just sounds like another glorified way of conning the victims of institutionalized injustice into blaming themselves instead of their victimizers.

If taken to its logical conclusion, you find torture victims saying: "My higher self must have wanted me to experience this, so it's really I who am responsible for the unspeakable pain I feel, not my uniformed tormentor."

Isn't that just the sort of thing the Hitlers of the world want their victims to think?
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Sounds like this Desteni has copied the Martin Gman post about the white light. Gman posted this in 2004, Desteni in 2010
Very interesting. Desteni has something interesting things, but for the most part i don't agree with them. However, their self forgiviness "technique" work a charm.

Other things like their "accounts" of ancient earth and space history is just wrong.
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I'm highly suspicious of the "higher self" theory as well, because this just sounds like another glorified way of conning the victims of institutionalized injustice into blaming themselves instead of their victimizers.

If taken to its logical conclusion, you find torture victims saying: "My higher self must have wanted me to experience this, so it's really I who am responsible for the unspeakable pain I feel, not my uniformed tormentor."

Isn't that just the sort of thing the Hitlers of the world want their victims to think?
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