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Old 11-01-2016, 02:18 PM   #21
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Didn't Iggy Pop write the lyric for that?
Co-written, well spotted nontheless, I never knew Iggy was involved with this song.
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:22 PM   #22
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Co-written, well spotted nontheless, I never knew Iggy was involved with this song.
Iggy wrote the words about Kuelan Nguyen, (who may actually be Vietnamese) who he had a brief affair with.
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:24 PM   #23
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It's amazing what a hard sell it is to some people on a conspiracy theory forum how manipulated their reality is

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Old 11-01-2016, 02:31 PM   #24
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no i think humanity are infinately creative but i think that the music industry is a tightly controlled area where many creative and talented people are frozen out of it

The 'successful' people who gain 'success' because they are promoted by the corporate media are the ones who are helping further the agendas of the el-ite who have such a tight cotnrol over the industry

To think otherwise is naive
Bowie was creative and talented (understatement!). I understand this is impossible for you to see because his music isn't your cup of tea, and you can't separate him from what you perceive as his role in an agenda. But the music speaks for itself. The testimonies of the people across the board he collaborated with or who respected his work, also. The artists he influenced says it all. Sorry to disappoint a few folks, but this isn't purely about some celebrity fawning. It comes back to the quality of the work.
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Bowie was creative and talented (understatement!). I understand this is impossible for you to see because his music isn't your cup of tea, and you can't separate him from what you perceive as his role in an agenda. But the music speaks for itself. The testimonies of the people across the board he collaborated with or who respected his work, also. The artists he influenced says it all. Sorry to disappoint a few folks, but this isn't purely about some celebrity fawning. It comes back to the quality of the work.
and i'm saying you don't know how much of his output was him and how much of it was from his handlers and you willl refuse to admit that you don't know because you 'can't seperate him from what you perceive' as his role in your life
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Old 11-01-2016, 03:47 PM   #26
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You've offered conjectures and theories about supposed 'handlers', iamthewaveofthesea. You actually don't KNOW this to be the truth.

And while you may like to counter that statement with something like "You don't know it ISN'T the truth", all I have to do is check out the testimonies of Bowie's many great collaborators - the musicians in his various bands over the decades, the producers etc all speaks for itself. Not just the tributes today, but statements they've made throughout the man's career.

Of course it wasn't just him. Like many solo artists he had some important collaborators such as the likes of Mick Ronson, Brian Eno, Nile Rodgers, the list goes on. They were part of the creative package and that's been well documented, but he still wrote the songs; he was the one delivering them in the studio and on the stage.

Unless of course, his collaborators were marginally talented individuals who've all been paid by social engineers to shut up and say how wonderful he was, when I weigh up their actual experiences against your secondhand hypothesis, I can't find a great deal of validity in your suspicions.
i have posted quotes by bowie that have shown how divided he was in his own mind at different ti mes and how he felt under pressure to push certain agendas (all of which are then soaked up by starstruck youngsters)

Those agendas all feed into the aims of tavistock. His work has all the hall marks

I don't want that to be reality but once you put all the pieces together that is unfortunately the picture staring back

Don't shoot the messenger...just go and gather the pieces for yourself...or not
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Old 11-01-2016, 03:52 PM   #27
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i have posted quotes by bowie that have shown how divided he was in his own mind at different ti mes and how he felt under pressure to push certain agendas (all soaked up by starstruck youngsters)

Those agendas all feed into the aims of tavistock. His work has all the hall marks

I don't want that to be reality but once you put all the pieces together that is unfortunately the picture staring back

Don't shoot the messenger...just go and gather the pieces for yourself
Let me clarify - that's the picture staring back at you based upon a bit of cherry-picking on Wikipedia. Never fails. (Well, it does actually.)
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Old 11-01-2016, 03:55 PM   #28
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Read today he was a practicing satanist and also liked little boys....
Been a recluse for years...could have faked his death....far more lucrative now..
Watched Amy wine house doc the other day, her dad is a strange character, think that was faked too.
Now just coming out with something like that on this thread, on the day a true creative genius dies is pathetic. You 'read' it? So fucking what? Anybody can write or say anything they want doesn't make it true. The rest of your post is bullshit too. Sad.
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Old 11-01-2016, 04:35 PM   #29
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I have been getting my arse chewed off for posting links on Facebook groups about Bowie having consensual sex with a 13 year old. Am I the only one here who sees something wrong with him doing that? http://www.debriefdaily.com/lifestyl...o-david-bowie/
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I know one thing for sure: if I had terminal cancer, and death on its way, I wouldn't have made music videos like his last two creepy offerings (Blackstar, Lazarus). I'd probably have made my final music video with the Teletubbies actually.

I wouldn't want to be remembered for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kszLwBaC4Sw
Well....that was weird.

Credit where it's due, my all time favorite "music video" is Ashes To Ashes. There are echoes of that video in the one above, along with a big nod to Major Tom (dead astronaut) who becomes some sort of mythic God figure, to Cat People (the girl with the tail has a passing resemblance to Nastassja Kinski) and the far away black, monolithic city recalls 2001 and The Lord of the Rings. The religious/occult overtones are there, but that's to be expected... It's also very vague, and I get the impression that it was done that way to hide the fact that this concept isn't complete, and you can then make up your own meanings.

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Old 11-01-2016, 04:50 PM   #31
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Well....that was weird.
Shit! That's some Saturn, Illuminati and Satanic symbolism right there. With a video like that, he deserved what was coming to him (foreshadowing?), its horrendous, possessive, manipulative, 'dark/black' magic like, lol. These music videos nowadays are atrocious.

I like his hair in the labyrinth and as Nikola Tesla in the Prestige. I bet one can find all sort of goodies or nasties in this case through-out his music career, letalone other aspects.
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I have been getting my arse chewed off for posting links on Facebook groups about Bowie having consensual sex with a 13 year old. Am I the only one here who sees something wrong with him doing that? http://www.debriefdaily.com/lifestyl...o-david-bowie/
It wasn't "wrong" at the time. It was encouraged. She was with all the big stars at that time. If it wasn't Bowie, it would have been Page, or Bonham, or Moon, or Iggy, or.... but it was Bowie. Her first sexual experience was with a coked out bisexual who was dressing like a tranny. Charming.

I wouldn't have had sex with a 13 year old when I was in my 20's. But that's me.
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:10 PM   #33
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I have been getting my arse chewed off for posting links on Facebook groups about Bowie having consensual sex with a 13 year old. Am I the only one here who sees something wrong with him doing that? http://www.debriefdaily.com/lifestyl...o-david-bowie/
Im hearing you Phantom
the reaction is a result of idol worship

if their holding it high their telling a lie
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:13 PM   #34
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I have been getting my arse chewed off for posting links on Facebook groups about Bowie having consensual sex with a 13 year old. Am I the only one here who sees something wrong with him doing that? http://www.debriefdaily.com/lifestyl...o-david-bowie/
If we had this info, on say, Cliff Richard or some other similar wankstain, he'd have been thrown under the bus by now. Amazing how blinded even people on a conspiracy forum can be.
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:20 PM   #35
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Let's see the reaction I get from Bowie idols on this post.

You do know that Bowie had sex with Lori Maddox when she was 13 years old. Whether she consented or not, she was still a child.

I am wondering if anyone will now come forward to reveal they too had sex with Bowie while they were under-age.

After having sex with Bowie, Maddox went on to sleep with guitarist and founder of the rock band Led Zeppelin, Jimmy Page when she was 14 years old.

Listen to her laughing about the time Bowie took her virginity. She does not reveal her age at the time but it was before she had sex with Jimmy Page and she was 14 when she have sex with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnViqstGsYs&t=11m24s
Where were her parents?
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:21 PM   #36
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more confusion....

he made statements that expressed support for fascism and perceived admiration for Adolf Hitler in interviews with Playboy, NME and a Swedish publication. Bowie was quoted as saying: "Britain is ready for a fascist leader... I think Britain could benefit from a fascist leader. After all, fascism is really nationalism... I believe very strongly in fascism, people have always responded with greater efficiency under a regimental leadership." He was also quoted as saying: "Adolf Hitler was one of the first rock stars" and "You've got to have an extreme right front come up and sweep everything off its feet and tidy everything up."[225][226] Bowie later retracted these comments and blamed them on mental instability caused by his drug problems at the time, saying: "I was out of my mind, totally, completely crazed." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowie

The star who makes a pro-Fascist/National-Socialist statement, only to apologise later (generally, the day after), and even to say that he « was not in his right mind » when he made it, is an old trick used in psy-op, meant to discredit even further these two regimes: a star has millions of fans who identify with him, some of whom might have sympathies for these regimes ; because of their strong identification with their stars, each time one of these confesses that he « was not in his right mind » when he praised Fascism/ National-Socialism, they, too, are led to believe that they are « crazy» to praise these regimes.

«  It was the promotion of Change in all forms. To what end? The promotion of trade. The Jews and Gentiles that would run the 20th century were masters of trade. They were money lenders and money changers and money makers.
These families had always been very good at making money, but in the 20th century they discovered a way to accelerate this money making beyond even their own dreams. They discovered that accelerated trade depended directly on accelerated change. The more change of any kind they could introduce into society, the more money they would make. This is simply because change can always be accompanied with new products. New products = new wealth. More products = more wealth. Therefore, the fundamental and underlying Operation of the 20th century has been CHANGE.
This was revolutionary in every way, since humans don't really like change. Like cats and all other animals, they prefer things to stay as they are. Living creatures tend to equate change with discomfort.
So to promote change was to go against human nature. It wasn't something that would happen on its own. It had to be manufactured and constantly sold.
It was revolutionary in another way, since it went against all tradition. Tradition had always taught that change was something to be avoided. All the major religions sought balance and harmony, neither of which could be maintained in times of rapid change.
It was revolutionary in a third way, since traditionally trade had been considered dirty. Thoreau was still teaching in the 1840's that “trade curses everything it touches.” Gentlemen in the early 19th century looked down on trade, as we see from reading Dickens or Austen, or watching Downton Abbey. The English aristocracy mocked American wealth, since it came from trade. So you would think it would be difficult to flip the world 180 degrees, taking us to the present where most believe that trade sanctifies everything it touches.

The religion of progress has ended up in the worship of something mobsters do not have in their pockets : change, and Bowie was one those who were « chosen » in a Biblical sense to promote it :

"Oh, yeah
Mmm
Still don't know what I was waitin' for
And my time was runnin' wild
A million dead end streets and
Every time I thought I'd got it made
It seemed the taste was not so sweet
So I turned myself to face me
But I've never caught a glimpse of
How the others must see the faker
I'm much too fast to take that test
Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes
Turn and face the strange
Ch-ch-changes
Don't want to be a richer man
Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes
Turn and face the strange
Ch-ch-changes
Just gonna have to be a different man
… But never leave the stream
Of warm impermanence
So the days float through my eyes
But still the days seem the same
And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're goin' through
Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes
Turn and face the strange
Ch-ch-changes »
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I have been getting my arse chewed off for posting links on Facebook groups about Bowie having consensual sex with a 13 year old. Am I the only one here who sees something wrong with him doing that? http://www.debriefdaily.com/lifestyl...o-david-bowie/
Were you posting the links everywhere before he died? If not, why now?

Bill Wyman did the same and also nothing done..
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i'm amazed how people fawn over these idols and how they all rush out to buy their stuff after they die thereby helping to fill the coffers of the illuminati record companies and their tavistock handlers

The system gives people their idols

Just as I am amazed over people who fawn over AJ and anyone who does not like him or disagrees with him is working for the other side according to his groupies.
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Trash to me is people who accuse someone of something the day they die, with no evidence and when they cant defend themselves. Total trash.

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Trash to me is people who accuse someone of something the day they die, with no evidence and when they cant defend themselves. Total trash.
Here's what I reckon. I actually think some members don't like the idea of anybody enjoying music, or films, or ANY form of entertainment. They are the first ones to post oversized pictures on a thread with magnified symbolism to prove how 'awakened' they are. The wahhabis may have some serious competition.

Unfortunately some of them have gone so deeply into this 'everything is fake' meme (and clearly everything ISN'T fake), it's practically impossible for them not to pull everything down as a default response. So, anyone into music that gives you a buzz, inspires you, relieves stress? Oh, simply not good enough for them - the artists must be satanists, and you're nothing but a brainwashed idolator.

That's why they can make all kinds of allegations - from the safety of their own keyboards. When the person was alive, they were indifferent. Again, some guys just don't like the idea of anyone liking a popular artist, one whom they actually know very little about, going by their responses.

As for the allegations, well let's look at that. Posting a Youtube video by someone making such an allegation a) may not necessarily be true, and b) there are legal implications in doing so. To actually do it on the day someone dies is about as insensitive as it gets. If they're sincere, then have they sent their findings to the police? If they truly believe what they say then they should do this by all means...but I kind of doubt they will go through the proper channels.

And it's this kind of thing that in part demonstrates why the alternative movement is becoming a nasty parody of itself, and something the majority of people wish to have no part of.

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