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Old 30-01-2010, 11:30 AM   #1
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It is one of the strangest phenomena reported. Something that can't happen, but stories saying it does turn up again and again anyway. Stories of animals found alive locked deep within stone or wood, with no observable way they could have entered. This is the mystery of entombed animals:

Being at my seat near the village of Meudon, and overlooking a quarryman whom I had set to break some very large and hard stones, in the middle of one we found a huge toad, full of life and without any visible aperture by which it could get there...The laborer told me it was not the first time he had met with a toad and the like creatures within huge blocks of stone...

This account, which appeared in the 1761 edition of Annual Register, was attributed to Ambroise Pare, the chief surgeon of Henry III of France in the 16th century. It is an early example of phenomenon. Logically this report is impossible. The stone had to be thousands, if not millions of years old. The toad shouldn't have a lifetime of more than a few years. If it was really sealed in the stone, how did it get there? Or if it was entombed when the stone was made, how did it survive?

Perhaps one such story over a period of hundreds of years can just be dismissed as a folktale or a hoax, but there are others. Workers doing an excavation in Hartlepool, England, on April 7, 1865, split open a block of magnesium limestone to discover a living toad. The Hartlepool Free Press reported, "The cavity was no larger than its body, and presented the appearance of being cast for it. The toad's eyes shone with unusual brilliancy, and it was full of vivacity on its liberation." The animal was very pale when first discovered with a color similar to that of the rock that had encased it, but later the toad turned to an olive-brown. "It appeared," the Free Press continued, "when first discovered, desirous to perform the process of respiration, but evidently experienced some difficulty, and the only sign of success consisted of a 'barking' noise, which it continues to make invariably at present on being touched. The toad is in the possession of Mr. S. Horner, the president of the Natural Historical Society, and continues in as lively a state as when found. On a minute examination of its mouth it is found to be completely closed, and the barking noise it makes proceeds from its nostrils. The claws of its fore feet are turned inwards, and its hind ones are of extraordinary length and unlike the present English toad."

We can also see an example of a wood entombment by looking at a story from South Africa. In 1876 the Uitenhage Times printed an article reporting that a timberman who was cutting a tree into planks came across a cache of 69 tiny toads, each the size of a grape. The toads were confined to a hole in the tree. "They were of a light brown, almost yellow color, and perfectly happy, hopping about and away as if nothing had happened. All about them was solid yellow wood, with nothing to indicate how they could have got there, how long they had been there, or how they could have lived without food, drink or air."

Another toad-in-a-tree story comes from the Memoir's of the French Academy of Sciences in 1719. The article reads "in a the foot of an elm, of the bigness of a pretty corpulent man, three or four feet above the root and exactly in the center, has been found a live toad, middle-sized but lean and filling up the whole vacant space."

According to the Michigan Argus of December 1st, 1871, one man was so curious about these stories he tried his own experiment to see if such things were possible.. M. Herissan, a French savant enclosed three live toads in separate cases of plaster in February of 1771. In April of 1784 Herissan opened the cases, which were still whole, and found two of the toads still alive, though the third was "a martyr to science." The article continued saying that the animals were handed over to the Academy of Science and a careful examination showed that "the animals had no communication with the external air, and must have existed without the least nourishment."

Toads aren't the only subject of these stories. An 1821 edition of Tilloch's Philosophical Magazine reported a stone mason named David Virture discovered a "lizard imbedded in the stone. It was about an inch and a quarter long, of a brownish-yellow color, and had a round head, with bright sparkling projecting eyes. It was apparently dead, but after being about five minutes exposed to the air it showed signs of life." The rock the lizard had been found within had been some 22 feet underground. "It was coiled up in a round cavity of its own form, being an exact impression of the animal," the article continues, "This stone is naturally a little damp; and about half an inch around the lizard was soft sand, the same color as the animal...The stone had no fissure, was quite hard, and one of the best to be got from the quarry of Cullaloe..."

Turtles have also gotten this treatment. In August 1975 construction workers in Fort Worth, Texas, were breaking up concrete that had been laid down more than a year before when they came across a living green turtle. The animal must have been caught in the concrete as it had been poured because the body-shaped hole in which it had stayed during that time was clearly visible.

Sometimes two different types of animals have been found together as the account from a World War II British soldier reported in Jerome Clark's book Unexplained shows:

In Algeria in the early part of 1943, I was working with a team whose job it was to quarry stone that was then used for making roads and filling bomb craters...One morning, we had set off the charges as usual and I started to prise away the rock from the quarry face when I saw in a pocket in the rock a large toad, and beside it a lizard at least nine inches long. Both these animals were alive, and the amazing thing was that the cavity they were in was at least 20 feet from the top of the quarry face. Try as we might, we couldn't find how it was possible for the two creatures to be where they were - there were no inlets, cracks or fissures leading to the cavity...

Parts of the scientific establishment have taken both an interest in the phenomena, while other members scoff at it. In an article in an 1890 Scientific American a writer declared "Many well authenticated stories of the finding of live toads and frogs in solid rock are on record." While a few years later the editor for the magazine Nature argued, "It matters little to tell the reporters of such occurrences that the thing is absolutely impossible, and that our believing it would involve the conclusion that the whole science of geology (not to speak of biology also) is a mass of nonsense."

Most explanations for these events depend on the reporters being hoaxers or bad observers. "The true interpretation of these alleged occurrences appears to be simply this - a frog or toad is hopping about while a stone is being broken, and the nonscientific observer immediately rushes to the conclusion that he has seen the creature dropping out of the stone itself," says a writer in Nature. This explanation runs in the face of many of the reports where the animal was found in a cavity shaped like the animal itself.

Some reports, however, are just so fantastic that it seems the reader is left with no conclusion but to believe the writer has been pulling their leg. For example:

In 1856 workmen in France were digging a tunnel for a railway line through some Jurassic limestone when a large creature stumbled out from inside. It flapped it wings, croaked, and then died. Workers said it had a 10-foot wingspan, black leathery skin and a toothed mouth. It was identified by a paleontology student as a pterodactyl...

Cases of entombed animals remain a mystery. Clearly the Scientific American writer is correct in saying that there seems to be no answer to this puzzle unless we are willing to rewrite the science of geology or biology. Still, it seems the phenomena exists. Undoubtedly some of the reports are hoaxes, others are errors, but many remain a true mystery for a future scientist to resolve.

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There are several documented cases where frogs, toads, and other small animals are found concealed within solid stone – alive. There are other instances too, where workers would cut down trees, and find hoards of frogs within the interior. Weirder still, people have found creatures within not just natural formations such as rocks and trees, but manmade establishments. In 1976, a Texas construction crew was breaking up concrete they set over a year ago. To their disbelief, the crew found a live green turtle within the concrete, in an air pocket that matched the shape of the small reptile. If, somehow, it got in when the concrete was poured a year earlier, how did it manage to survive during that time? After all, there were no signs of holes or cracks in the concrete through which the turtle could have entered.

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Old 31-01-2010, 04:36 AM   #2
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This could of been the origin of the gargoyle tales this is an excellent thread and one that deserves more attention.
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Weird. Could this happen to a human? I suppose so. Not me!
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Old 01-02-2010, 11:39 PM   #5
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Bhaktivedanta Swami in a lecture he gave in Bombay, February 25, 1974, states:

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The frogs, they can become in samadhi, (trance) situated in samadhi, for many, many years. So these things are not very great things, to have samadhi, to have yogic principles. Even in the animals you will find. I read long, long ago that in the coal mine, while they were digging coals, one frog came out from the coal and jumped over and died. That means the frog was buried within the lump of coal for many, many thousands of years, and he was keeping samadhi. Kumbhaka, kumbhaka-yoga they know.
So he calls it "kumbhaka-yoga" and further explains the process in his commentary to Bhagavada-gita in chapter 4 text 29

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This system of yoga for controlling the breathing process is called pranayama, and in the beginning it is practiced in the hatha-yoga system through different sitting postures. All of these processes are recommended for controlling the senses and for advancement in spiritual realization. This practice involves controlling the air within the body to enable simultaneous passage in opposite directions. The apana air goes downward, and the prana air goes up. The pranayama yogi practices breathing the opposite way until the currents are neutralized into puraka, equilibrium. Similarly, when the exhaled breathing is offered to inhaled breathing, it is called recaka. When both air currents are completely stopped, it is called kumbhaka-yoga. By practice of kumbhaka-yoga, the yogis increase the duration of life by many, many years.
Although this is baffling to the Western mind-set, it is comprehended by yogis.
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Old 01-02-2010, 11:52 PM   #6
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Weird. Could this happen to a human? I suppose so. Not me!
In India you will find yogis who can perform pastimes which challenge our perception of so-called reality. The following is about Haridasa Sadhu...

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The famous sannyasi, Haridasa Sadhu, was born in a small village in Maharastra. When he was about fifteen or sixteen years old, a sannyasi arrived from Tailangadesa (a south Indian district) now in the vicinity of Andhra and Telingana, and sat down under a tree near Haridasa's house. This sannyasi was a Vaisnava of the Kuver sect.
Haridasa had great respect for this sannyasi and spent considerable time with him. Suddenly one day the sannyasi was found missing from his usual place under the tree, and simultaneously Haridasa also disappeared from the village.

Haridasa accompanied the Tailangasvami to Puskara where he took initiation in sannyasadharma. After spending a few months at Puskara, Haridasa went to Kuruksetra with his guru, and devoted himself to the difficult practices of yogasiksa. He began by learning the art of the intake of food, asanavandhana, vaksamyama, and pranayama.
Eventually, Haridasa became conversant with the entire difficult procedures related to yoga and successfully mastered the control of his respiratory system.

By following 'khecuri mudra', Haridasa mastered the art of locking the tongue in reverse which increased his capacity to retain air required for samadhi-asana. At last as a result of his complete mastery over Yogabhayasa, Haridasa acquired certain supernatural powers which earned him a great deal of respect and admiration not only from the general public, but from such personalities as the Raja, associates and ministers from the royal court, Mussalmen of the sunni-sect, and even Hindu-hating Christians.

By 1815 AD. stories of the miraculous achievements of Haridasa Sadhu had spread far and wide. During his stay at Jambu, Raja Dhyana Simha, a minister of Maharaja Ranjitsimha, came to know, through his messenger, that a sannyasi named Haridasa had remained alive after a four months stay under mounds of earth in Amritsar.
Dhyanasimha then sent a messenger to bring Haridasa back to Jambu. Despite the messengers insistence, Haridasa refused to go to Jambu. Then Dhyanasimha himself went to Amritsar and brought Haridasa and his associate disciples back to Jambu. In Jambu, Haridasa remained like an inanimate object under the earth for four months which Dhyanasimha observed with his own eyes.
Prior to entering the prescribed spot Haridasa had his face clean shaven, yet when he emerged after four months, no growth of hair could be seen on his face.

When many accounts of such episodes regarding Haridasa began to appear in various magazines, many people refused to accept them as facts. It has been said (Visvakos) that Lord Bentinck and Lord Auckland, both wrote letters to political agents at Rajaputana and Punjab asking them to verify the authenticity of the published reports.
But Haridasa Sadhu refused to go to Calcutta as he thought that the Englishmen would, somehow or other, try to destroy a person like himself, who possessed extraordinary miraculous power.
However, Mr. McNaughton, the political agent of Rajaputana, was determined to find out the truth. He brought Haridasa to Puskara where Haridasa performed asanavandhana and entered into a state of dhyana (meditation) in the presence of an audience of many respectable persons. McNaughton then locked Haridasa in a safe and kept the safe in his own room. When the safe was unlocked and opened on the thirteenth day, Haridasa was found in an unconscious state and his body had become stiff like dried wood. However, within a short time, signs of life appeared in his body.

Maharaval of Jalsamir was childless. Under the advice of his minister, Isvarlala, he brought Haridasa to his capital. On behalf of Maharavala, in order to nullify the effect of the antagonism existing on the planet, Haridasa, after performing the pre-samadhi rituals at his own residence, positioned himself in samadhi-asana within a very small pit about 3ft. long, 2 1/2 ft. deep, which was covered on top with earth. When the pit was cleared of earth after one month in the presence of Lieutenant Baylow and other high officials of the royal government, Haridasa was found still alive.

Such extraordinary happenings were witnessed by many dignitaries at that time and these became widely known not only within India but in many countries overseas. Rumor mongers became active; Some expressed views that Sadhu Haridasa was actually a Frenchman and had migrated to India in Punjab after the battle of Waterloo.
He became conversant with charlatanism while in Europe and had become an expert in the line; A section of the orthodox Hindu community claimed that Haridasa was the great saint Vedavyasa in his past incarnation and at the advent of Kaliyuga had kept himself in hiding (samahita) under the earth, and the Englishmen had discovered him while digging the earth; The Sikh community in Punjab regarded him with love and devotion, considering Haridasa Sadhu as an incarnation of Guru Nanak.
To Englishmen such as Lt. Baylow and others, Haridasa explained in brief three rules to be practiced for yogabhyasa. These were; pranayama, khecurimudra, and rules for the intake of food. By observing the said rules during samadhi-asana, the activities within the human body cease to work and the body becomes inert like a corpse.

Haridasa arrived at Lahore in 1835 Ad. on the occasion of the marriage ceremony of Navanihalsimha. Raja Dhyanasimha, the minister of Maharaja Ranjitasimha, who had previously met Haridasa, told the Maharaja about Haridasa's arrival at the palace and of his miraculous powers. Out of curiosity the Maharaja called for Haridasa, but upon seeing him the Maharaja suspected that all this talk about miraculous power was nothing but a fabricated story.
To verify the truth, the Maharaja ensured that Haridasa, after his routine rituals, was placed inside a small wooden safe under lock and key. He had his men affix the royal seal on the lock and had the safe buried in the palace courtyard. As a further precaution against any loop holes, the Maharaja had his men sow barley seeds on the land covering the area under which the safe was buried.

After forty days, when the seeds had grown into plants, the safe was excavated in the presence of Capt. Wade and other English officials. After the safe was unlocked, Haridasa's inert body was taken out and subjected to medical examination by Dr. McGregor, Dr. Murray and others. The doctors not only declared that Haridasa was dead, but remarked sarcastically that if Haridasa were able to regain his life then they would be prepared to believe that even the creation of a human being were possible.

Disciples of Haridasa began to apply various methods for the revival of Haridasa's respiratory system and slowly signs of life appeared in the inert body, while everyone present stood watching the performance anxiously.

After this incident no one had any furter doubts regarding Haridasa's miraculous power. In the course of discussing the subject of samadhi, Haridasa Sadhu spoke as follows: In the state of samadhi he enjoyed such blissful pleasure that he did not consider the exercise as a form of self-castigation. Actually the rituals to be performed prior to getting into the samadhi-asana were very painful and that is why Haridasa preferred to stay in the samahita state for a long period of time.

The renowned Honigueburger, in his comments on yoga-nidra, said that animals like frogs are known to live hundreds of years in a state of deep sleep in the darkness of mountains. But as soon as they are brought into the presence of light and allowed to breath air, they become like regular live species. The same explanation may be offered in respect to yogis; once in a yoga-state, yogis also sleep in the same way as the frogs.

Only on one more occasion Haridasa, at the request of Maharaja Ranjitsimha, remained buried underground for nearly ten months, that was his last demonstration. On various excuses, he declined the request of Englishmen like Mr. Osborne and others at Adinanagara.

Haridasa's death also took place under extraordinary circumstances. One day he called his disciples and announced that his end was near. No one would be able to bring him back to life from the samadhi-asana he was going to perform. True enough he got into his usual samadhi-asana and passed away in a samahita posture.
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Bhaktivedanta Swami in a lecture he gave in Bombay, February 25, 1974, states:



So he calls it "kumbhaka-yoga" and further explains the process in his commentary to Bhagavada-gita in chapter 4 text 29



Although this is baffling to the Western mind-set, it is comprehended by yogis.
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Was that Prabhupada?
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In India you will find yogis who can perform pastimes which challenge our perception of so-called reality. The following is about Haridasa Sadhu...
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Old 20-02-2010, 11:02 AM   #9
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I've forgotten where I read it but I remember an account of a great Tibetan Buddhist master of the 20th century travelling on pilgrimage with his entourage through Tibet and he became very uncharacteristically agitated and distressed as they approached and entered a ravine leading through a mountain range.

According to the account he lead the party to a particular rock formation and dismounted from his horse, taking an extended period of time to silently examine the face of the mountain before tapping it several times with his walking stick in a particular place.

The mountainside cracked open and a cavity inside the rock was revealed where a small lizard had been entombed alive.

The Master knelt and performed a transference of consciousness ritual on the 'wretched being' whereby it instantly died.

He later explained to his entourage that the poor creature had fallen victim to one of the rare hell realms and had now been liberated from it's indefinite state of suffering.

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Old 26-03-2010, 10:20 PM   #10
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I read this recently and remembered this interesting thread.This is an excerpt from Folklore of Northamptonshire by Peter Hill.

Stories have been told through the centuries of toads surviving incarcerations in trees,coal seams and rock,enclosed in cavities which fit round them snugly.Without food or air for several years,living on moisture generated from their skin or a humid substance exuding from the stone:Toad in the hole anyone [British grub].In 1825 an experiment was conducted at Oxford where six cells were made in a block of Limestone and six in a block of Ironstone.Toads were then sealed inside them with glass and putty and they were buried 3ft down in the ground.After a year they were opened;those in limestone had survived but those in ironstone were dead,apparantly because of a crack in the glass.This may have led to an experiment taking place in Rushton,when a new road and bridge was built replacing the old route over the river Ise in 1829.Live toads were placed in small slate and cement hatches at the foundations to see if they could survive for a thousand years.Today the hatches under the bridge are cracked and some are empty-perhaps they have escaped.

That's quite interesting about the ones under the bridge,it's only just up the road from me,i might go and have a look at them.
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Fascinating thread!
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