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Old 26-03-2010, 07:28 AM   #21
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They must be pretty easy to fuck up though

just rub it with a neodymium magnet, right?

Tbh I'm not too worries about RFID chips, so long as they are voluntary
This will be the deal

RFID chip or no free health care. or no banking. etc

Like you have a choice
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Old 26-03-2010, 07:41 AM   #22
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This will be the deal

RFID chip or no free health care. or no banking. etc

Like you have a choice
exactly...

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Old 26-03-2010, 07:46 AM   #23
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This will be the deal

RFID chip or no free health care. or no banking. etc

Like you have a choice
I don't want free health care; it's not free anyway.

And if there really was a free Market, a non-RFID bank would exist.

anything else (such as a monopolised banking cartel) is tax-funded government coercion and therefore not voluntary
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Old 26-03-2010, 07:49 AM   #24
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I don't want free health care; it's not free anyway.

And if there really was a free Market, a non-RFID bank would exist.

anything else (such as a monopolised banking cartel) is tax-funded government coercion and therefore not voluntary
My point

You will have no real choice

Living outside the system will be made illegal by laws preventing you from simply living off your land with no contact with the banking system
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Old 26-03-2010, 07:53 AM   #25
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My point

You will have no real choice
My point

I'm only happy if it's voluntary, and it won't be...
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Old 26-03-2010, 07:58 AM   #26
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Read this articleon Rense

Nobody will want a cancer inducing device in their body.

http://www.rense.com/general90/chip.htm

Chipped Dogs Develop Fast-Growing, Lethal Tumors

Medical Reports Point To Link
Between RFID Chips And Canine Cancers


By Katherine Albrecht AntiChips.com
3-25-10


Highly aggressive tumors developed around the microchip implants of two American dogs, killing one of the pets and leaving the other terminally ill. Their owners --- and pathology and autopsy reports --- have suggested a link between the chips and the formation of the fast-growing cancers.

In the town of Paeonian Springs, Va., a five-year-old male Bullmastiff named Seamus died in February, nine months after developing a "hemangio-sarcoma" --- a rare, malignant form of cancer that strikes connective tissues and can kill even humans in three to six months. The tumor appeared last May between the dog's shoulder blades where a microchip had been implanted; by September, a "large mass" had grown with the potential to spread to the lungs, liver and spleen, according a pathology report from the Blue Ridge Veterinary Clinic in Purcellville, Va.

Originally scheduled to receive just a biopsy, Seamus underwent emergency surgery. A foot-long incision was opened to extract the 4-pound-3-ounce tumor, and four drains were needed to remove fluid where the tumor had developed.

When Howard Gillis, the dog's owner, picked up his pet the following day, the attending veterinarian stunned him with this question: Did you know your dog had been microchipped twice, and that both chips were in or around the tumor?

"While we knew of one chip, which we had put in him at a free local county clinic, we knew nothing of a second chip," Gillis said. "We believe one of them was put in Seamus by the breeder from whom we bought him when he was about nine months old."

By December, the cancer was back --- and the energetic, playful 150-pound dog was huffing and puffing, struggling to walk. Seamus "was 150 pounds of heart," Gillis said in a recent interview. "He wanted to live."

Gillis said he "got the microchip because I didn't want him stolen. I thought I was doing right. There were never any warnings about what a microchip could do, but I saw it first-hand. That cancer was something I could see growing every day, and I could see it taking his life ... It just ate him up." To keep his beloved dog from suffering further, he had him put to sleep two months later.

In Memphis, a five-year-old Yorkshire Terrier named Scotty was diagnosed with cancer at the Cloverleaf Animal Clinic in December. A tumor between the dog's shoulder blades --- precisely where a microchip had been embedded --- was described as malignant lymphoma. A tumor the size of a small balloon was removed; encased in it was a microchip.

Scotty was given no more than a year to live.

But the dog's owner, Linda Hawkins, wasn't satisfied with just a prognosis: She wanted to know whether the presence of the microchip had anything to do with Scotty's illness. Initially, her veterinarian was skeptical that a chip implant could trigger cancer; research has shown that vaccine injections in dogs and cats can lead to tumors.

In a December pathology report on Scotty, Evan D. McGee wrote: "I was previously suspicious of a prior unrelated injection site reaction" beneath the tumor. "However, it is possible that this inflammation is associated with other foreign debris, possibly from the microchip."

Observing the glass-encapsulated tag under a microscope, he noted it was partially coated with a translucent material, normally used to keep embedded microchips from moving around the body. "This coating could be the material inciting the inflammatory response," McGee wrote.

Hawkins sent the pathology report to HomeAgain, the national pet recovery and identification network that endorses microchipping of pets. After having a vet review the document, the company said the chip did not cause Scotty's tumor --- then in January sent Hawkins a $300 check to cover her clinical expenses, no questions asked.

"I find it hard to believe that a company will just give away $300 to somebody who calls in, unless there is something bad going on," Hawkins says.

Having spent $4,000 on medical treatment for Scotty since December, Hawkins accepted the money. But she says it hardly covers her $900 monthly outlays for chemotherapy and does little to ease her pet's suffering.

"Scotty is just a baby. He won't live the 15 years he's supposed to ...I did something I thought a responsible pet owner should --- microchip your pet --- and to think that it killed him ... It just breaks your heart."

Scotty and Seamus aren't the only pets to have suffered adverse reactions from microchips. Published reports have detailed malignant tumors in two other chipped dogs; in one dog, the researchers said cancer appeared linked to the presence of the embedded chip; in the other, the cancer's cause was uncertain.

Last year, a Chihuahua bled to death in the arms of his distraught owners in Agua Dulce, Calif., just hours after undergoing a chipping procedure. The veterinarian who performed the chipping confirmed that dog died from blood loss associated with the microchip.

In another case, a kitten died instantly when a microchip was accidentally injected into its brain stem. And in another, a cat was paralyzed when an implant entered its spinal column. The implants have been widely reported to migrate within animals' bodies, and can cause abscesses and infection.

In 2007, The Associated Press reported on a series of veterinary and toxicology studies that found that microchip implants had "induced" malignant tumors in some lab animals. Published in veterinary and toxicology journals between 1996 and 2006, the studies found that between 1 and 10 percent of lab mice and rats injected with microchips developed malignant tumors, most of them encasing the implants.

For more information on the link between microchips and cancer, please read our report: "Microchip-Induced Tumors in Laboratory Rodents and Dogs: A Review of the Literature 1990­2006" by Katherine Albrecht, Ed.D. http://www.antichips.com/cancer/index.html

To arrange an interview, please contact: Katherine Albrecht, Ed.D. Founder and Director, Antichips.com [email protected] 877-287-5854 Ext. 1

Bio: Dr. Katherine Albrecht is a privacy expert who has writtern extensively on the topic of implanted microchips. She is an outspoken opponent of implantable microchips, RFID, and retail privacy invasion. Katherine has authored pro-privacy legislation, testified before lawmakers around the globe, written for numerous publications including Scientific American, and granted over 2,000 media interviews. Katherine is syndicated radio host, bestselling author, and the U.S. spokesperson for www.Startpage.com, the world's most private search engine. Katherine holds a doctorate in Education from Harvard University.

www.AntiChips.com // www.KatherineAlbrecht.com
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Old 26-03-2010, 12:00 PM   #27
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@mynameis, the health insurance is mandatory, the chipping is part of the health care. mandatory chipping isn't mentioned, because it isn't necessary to mention it.
A chip does nothing to ensure health care in people this is why a chip is an optional class III medical device. You have failed to show where in the bill it states mandatory, I conclude you are making bullshit up as you go along.
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Old 26-03-2010, 12:27 PM   #28
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A chip does nothing to ensure health care in people this is why a chip is an optional class III medical device. You have failed to show where in the bill it states mandatory, I conclude you are making bullshit up as you go along.
RFID microchips are classified as class II devices, so I put it to you, that you are making bullshit up as you go along.

A chip ensures that the logistics are running smoothly along the entire process, if you cant figure it out there is something wrong.
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Old 26-03-2010, 12:40 PM   #29
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RFID microchips are classified as class II devices, so I put it to you, that you are making bullshit up as you go along.

A chip ensures that the logistics are running smoothly along the entire process, if you cant figure it out there is something wrong.
Okay, typo correction: A chip does nothing to ensure health care in people this is why a chip is an optional class II medical device. You have failed to show where in the bill it states mandatory, I conclude you are making bullshit up as you go along.

And BTW a typo isn't making up shit as you go along.
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Old 26-03-2010, 12:44 PM   #30
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mynameis.....are you training to be a prosecuter.........
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Old 26-03-2010, 01:01 PM   #31
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A chip does nothing to ensure health care in people this is why a chip is an optional class III medical device. You have failed to show where in the bill it states mandatory, I conclude you are making bullshit up as you go along.
I don't think you really understand how this stuff works. Things like these are put out under the guise of being beneficial. They spin loads of useful aspects, but never touch on the potential negative effects. One such effect is cancer during trials, but naturally you won't hear about that. The idea is to make it seem like the people have a choice in the matter. After the majority accept something like this, it's then made mandatory.

"Well, 75% of society uses these, and our systems are built around them now. You're going to have to get it or be fined, or jailed."

You can be a cheerleader for submission of constitutional rights all you'd like, just don't complain when you find that you've been made into a wage slave, and can't take a piss without someone knowing about it.

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It won't word here in the US there are too many evangelistic christians who believe it is the mark of the devil and will die before they get one. At least that movement is good for something. LOL
What a convenient coincidence.
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I don't think you really understand how this stuff works. Things like these are put out under the guise of being beneficial. They spin loads of useful aspects, but never touch on the potential negative effects. One such effect is cancer during trials, but naturally you won't hear about that. The idea is to make it seem like the people have a choice in the matter. After the majority accept something like this, it's then made mandatory.

"Well, 75% of society uses these, and our systems are built around them now. You're going to have to get it or be fined, or jailed."

You can be a cheerleader for submission of constitutional rights all you'd like, just don't complain when you find that you've been made into a wage slave, and can't take a piss without someone knowing about it.
I don't think they are going to chip the Amish, so no they're not going to chip US citizens against their will, even if 99 % have a chip.
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Old 26-03-2010, 01:09 PM   #34
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More closet ultra RW anti Obamacare crap dressed up as "conspiracy" claptrap.

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The verichip doesn't have cyanide in them, that particular chip was invented by a suadi arabian and wasn't patented. That will NEVER be patented in USA/australia.

The verichip however is patented globally AND FDA approved. Since it is globally patented, its only a matter of time before it is approved with the TGA (australia) and every other instution of equivalent in other countries.
verichip is now known as "possitiveID" after there merger with steel volt.. a security company..
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I don't think they are going to chip the Amish, so no they're not going to chip US citizens against their will, even if 99 % have a chip.

The Amish are a tiny fraction of a percentage of the population, and not even relevant to the topic. I doubt they're even on the radar of the 'elite'. Further more, they don't utilize regular medical facilities and medical insurance.

We'll have to wait and see if people are misinformed enough to accept having an electronic device crammed into their person. Only then will we truly know. If the majority accept it, get that hand ready for implantation. The EMF a lot of us are constantly around is bad enough, so I won't be accepting anything like that inside my body.
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The Amish are a tiny fraction of a percentage of the population, and not even relevant to the topic. I doubt they're even on the radar of the 'elite'. Further more, they don't utilize regular medical facilities and medical insurance.

We'll have to wait and see if people are misinformed enough to accept having an electronic device crammed into their person. Only then will we truly know. If the majority accept it, get that hand ready for implantation. The EMF a lot of us are constantly around is bad enough, so I won't be accepting anything like that inside my body.
I hear you. Same here. I don't want something I have no control of tracking me. I don't even use a cell phone.
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Old 26-03-2010, 01:16 PM   #38
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for those who are interested!

LIGHT ACTIVATED INJECTABLE RFID NANOCHIP: IDENTIFICATION CHIP


THIS IS THE FIRST RFID MICROCHIP *** TV ADVERT *** NWO TRACKING DEVICE FOR (YOU)


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The only way any fucker is knowingly getting a microchip inside my meatsuit is if they fookin kill me
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It is my understanding that it does not YET say it is mandatory. But, that said, there is also nothing to say they wont change the terms and conditions at a later date as they have so frequently done.

I think meeting with an end of life councilor and having to go before a board of assessors if you a pregnant and your baby MAY (they are so often wrong) be born disabled so that they can decide if its life is worth their support, if not your on your own....well, thats disturbing enough.

But what happens if they do (which Ive no doubt they will) make it mandatory?

Well, if it happens in the UK your pretty much screwed! - see link!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109784
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