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Old 07-11-2015, 12:13 PM   #141
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I witnessed a raver drop dead before my very eyes in a local nightclub where I live a couple of years ago. He can't've been older than late 20's. Nobody quite knew what was happening (though management obviously did) as without warning, music stopped, house lights went up and from every doorway Police stormed the building forcibly evacuating every single clubber from the hall (this was a regular night club by the way, not an illegal rave venue). Total lock out.

Leaving one solitary bloke, spread eagled, flat on his back in the middle of an empty, deserted dance floor, as a crash team of paramedics did their very best to bring him back with a cardiac machine, frantic chest pumping and mouth to mouth...to no avail before finally placing the blanket over his face. I was forced to watch all this as I was jammed up against the window like a sardine with a big crowd of disgruntled ousted drinkers/dancers...

I wouldn't mind but I don't usually do night clubs, this was just a one-off event for me.
Never been back since.
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:19 PM   #142
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I witnessed a raver drop dead before my very eyes in a local nightclub where I live a couple of years ago. He can't've been older than late 20's. Nobody quite knew what was happening (though management obviously did) as without warning, music stopped, house lights went up and from every doorway Police stormed the building forcibly evacuating every single clubber from the hall (this was a regular night club by the way, not an illegal rave venue). Total lock out.

Leaving one solitary bloke, spread eagled, flat on his back in the middle of an empty, deserted dance floor, as a crash team of paramedics did their very best to bring him back with a cardiac machine, frantic chest pumping and mouth to mouth...to no avail before finally placing the blanket over his face. I was forced to watch all this as I was jammed up against the window like a sardine with a big crowd of disgruntled ousted drinkers/dancers...

I wouldn't mind but I don't usually do night clubs, this was just a one-off event for me.
Never been back since.
I saw some one crash a car once on the motorway and die but I didn't give up driving because of it. Gotta get these things into perspective.
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:23 PM   #143
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If the music moves me, I'll dance; music's strong enough to do that without drugs, but each to their own.
oh definitely. some of the best nights/days Ive had of dancing have been totally sober. I think the scene sadly tends to favour Dj's and sounds that one needs drugs for (alcohol included) Controversial opinion I know but I think that is at the behest of certain groups inter dimensional entities who benefit from the energy produced.
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:37 PM   #144
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Reminds me of Unique 3 from my neck of the woods. They were doing stuff like that in 1987 or thereabouts.

Tony Wilson has a point there.

The gangsters always move into a scene when it gets going, and end up destroying it. Lots of soul & reggae clubs were ruined by the Yardie types and wannabe Yardies coming along.
One of the defining sound effects on that record was taken from or used on a hip hop record from 82ish.

Another urban myth is that in those first years of raves the organisers literally had suitcases of cash from ticket and drugs sales and gangsters got wind and turned up with guns. They then started organizing their own raves which had much darker vibe.

Most of the sounds used in rave had already been used in hip hop and techno in early 80's but the beat was different with the acid music - as you know 4's to the floor!


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Old 07-11-2015, 01:11 PM   #145
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One of the defining sound effects on that record was taken from or used on a hip hop record from 82ish.

Another urban myth is that in those first years of raves the organisers literally had suitcases of cash from ticket and drugs sales and gangsters got wind and turned up with guns. They then started organizing their own raves which had much darker vibe.

Most of the sounds used in rave had already been used in hip hop and techno in early 80's but the beat was different with the acid music - as you know 4's to the floor!

Yes, much rave was kind of a rough & ready 'garage band approach', taking elements of house, disco, soul, dub & hip hop and just upping the tempo.
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Old 07-11-2015, 05:53 PM   #146
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oh definitely. some of the best nights/days Ive had of dancing have been totally sober. I think the scene sadly tends to favour Dj's and sounds that one needs drugs for (alcohol included) Controversial opinion I know but I think that is at the behest of certain groups inter dimensional entities who benefit from the energy produced.
Everyone's experience is different. For some, all non-religious music, especially out of pop/youth culture is without exception seen as satanic; to others the same music is very uplifting for them.

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Old 07-11-2015, 06:56 PM   #147
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oh definitely. some of the best nights/days Ive had of dancing have been totally sober. I think the scene sadly tends to favour Dj's and sounds that one needs drugs for (alcohol included) Controversial opinion I know but I think that is at the behest of certain groups inter dimensional entities who benefit from the energy produced.
I only got good vibes from a lot of rave music and stuff I liked/danced to back then still holds positive emotions for me, so maybe the negative is in your head!? Each to their own I suppose,

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Old 08-11-2015, 02:23 AM   #148
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Why did you delete that stuff about African drumming DR and music? Was very relevant I thought.

Also ohmbudsman, hehe ohm buds ;-) anyway, of course you get good vibes from certain songs, if people didn't like or respond to any of the music it would be pointless. I've had experiences and so have others that suggest theirs something other then just people dancing and reflecting their various inner states. Im talking about how the scene has developed and changed over times to favour certain things. I raved/clubbed/doofed for 15 years up until stopping 3 years ago to take stock of what I've been involved in. I've since experimented and researched through various means the scene and music since. I've got tracks by artists such as Slavedriver - soul grabber, labels like Robsoul, and many others with esoteric images and concepts left/right and centre. Dance music has been the main inspiration for the majority of pop music we have today, listen to pop radio and you'll find 90% of music at least is electronically based. It's more then just the negative and positive I think in my head. Psycic's, people on acid and mushrooms, even the tracks themselves talk about interplay with other dimensions. I'm not convinced it's all evil either. Like DR said about Africa, people have been dancing to rhythms for a long long time. If you subscribe to the notion that humans have been quite developed for some time then dancing and music have been going on a spectacularly long time.
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Old 08-11-2015, 08:29 AM   #149
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Why did you delete that stuff about African drumming DR and music? Was very relevant I thought.

Also ohmbudsman, hehe ohm buds ;-) anyway, of course you get good vibes from certain songs, if people didn't like or respond to any of the music it would be pointless. I've had experiences and so have others that suggest theirs something other then just people dancing and reflecting their various inner states. Im talking about how the scene has developed and changed over times to favour certain things. I raved/clubbed/doofed for 15 years up until stopping 3 years ago to take stock of what I've been involved in. I've since experimented and researched through various means the scene and music since. I've got tracks by artists such as Slavedriver - soul grabber, labels like Robsoul, and many others with esoteric images and concepts left/right and centre. Dance music has been the main inspiration for the majority of pop music we have today, listen to pop radio and you'll find 90% of music at least is electronically based. It's more then just the negative and positive I think in my head. Psycic's, people on acid and mushrooms, even the tracks themselves talk about interplay with other dimensions. I'm not convinced it's all evil either. Like DR said about Africa, people have been dancing to rhythms for a long long time. If you subscribe to the notion that humans have been quite developed for some time then dancing and music have been going on a spectacularly long time.
Sorry Rooey, I'll put it back there a little later. I wondered if I'd gone off on a tangent.
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Old 08-11-2015, 09:47 AM   #150
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Why did you delete that stuff about African drumming DR and music? Was very relevant I thought.

Also ohmbudsman, hehe ohm buds ;-) anyway, of course you get good vibes from certain songs, if people didn't like or respond to any of the music it would be pointless. I've had experiences and so have others that suggest theirs something other then just people dancing and reflecting their various inner states. Im talking about how the scene has developed and changed over times to favour certain things. I raved/clubbed/doofed for 15 years up until stopping 3 years ago to take stock of what I've been involved in. I've since experimented and researched through various means the scene and music since. I've got tracks by artists such as Slavedriver - soul grabber, labels like Robsoul, and many others with esoteric images and concepts left/right and centre. Dance music has been the main inspiration for the majority of pop music we have today, listen to pop radio and you'll find 90% of music at least is electronically based. It's more then just the negative and positive I think in my head. Psycic's, people on acid and mushrooms, even the tracks themselves talk about interplay with other dimensions. I'm not convinced it's all evil either. Like DR said about Africa, people have been dancing to rhythms for a long long time. If you subscribe to the notion that humans have been quite developed for some time then dancing and music have been going on a spectacularly long time.
It's hard to determine what's "positive" or "negative" as for the most part, these are often people's subjective opinions and it's not always obvious.

Having said that, in a number of ancient societies there was an understanding of how sounds can affect people and even the social order. The ancient cultures of Egypt, China & India had this kind of music system. (I heard a lecture about ten years ago on cymatics which mentioned how even the architecture in many later churches were built in accordance with acoustic principles, in order for the organ music to induce a mild trance.)

This approach remained in traditional African societies but has been gradually disappearing with the onset of European colonialism, Islam & globalisation in general.

Here's a thread I posted many moons ago that you may find of relevance:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=93445

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Old 08-11-2015, 10:17 AM   #151
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very interesting yes.. As soon as one group tries to push something for lets say positive reasons, then an a fair expectation is that another group would push something for negative reasons..

Say an artist produces something quality and inspiring. Another may produce something to get noticed, draw attention and please on a simplistic level..

I think that thread, though not long, deserves a bump.
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Old 20-12-2015, 01:43 AM   #152
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RAVE, for me, started in 95. 14 years old n sneaking off with ma older sister n her mates to underground warehouses and parties. Being introduced to MDMA for the first time,.. fuck it was unreal. The breakdown of music.. the sweeping whooshing sounds.. the sounds of piano.. the tingling sensations it was causing but fuck the connection you'd make with someone else... seeing them through the haze of smoke beaming eyes and grin to die for.. both connected in that moment of euphoria.. looking across to the other person.. then to the next.. all in unison.. all connected all full of love... in was hooked.
Soon i was a regular at Doncaster Warehouse. it never had a liqueur license.. nor did it want one. it kept all the piss-heads out. Fuck I remember being sat in the 15 years old pilling ma tits off n this lady coming over to me with a trolley pouring me a cup of tea.. n handing me some poppers to sniff.. best moment ever.. but it was the people what made it.. everyone smiling and happy to see everyone else. That love for one another.. that unison.. i knew that that was the life i wanted.
left school around 98/99 with my new found religion.. every weekend without fail it was down to Sheffield to Gatecrasher to surround myself with love.. to surround myself with absorbing euphoric music.. and love.. and smiles and happiness.. leave there bout 4am ish.. straight over to the after party at Insominaicz to about 12 midday.. the to the after after party at Howards pub to keep the sesh going.. fuck so many good times.. everyone loved up.. dressed craziily in bright colours n fluffy boots.. being able to walk over to birds n talK to them without them thinking your chatting them up.. or walk up to lads shake there hand n just chat complete shit to them.. happy happy times. lived that life for years.. trance and hard house really did it for me.

I suppose.. in my view, things started going wrong for the scene around 2004/05. There was no new euphoric trance sounds coming out, the epic trance writers had moved onto deeper progressive trance witch had no euphoiricness for me.. and all the other trance sounds were just copycat cheesey wannabes. At the same time, the event promoters, the ones who would only let nice friendly people into the clubs who would cause no trouble.. now had a board of execs to answer to.. and the execs were only interested in profits. The execs thought that if a club night was doing well it could be replicated elsewhere or to bigger n bigger premises then all of a sudden.. people were being let into the nights who you needed to be guarded with. Gatecrasher, Cream, Godskitchen all fell victim. You didn't know if that guy looking was about to hug you or smack you... the whole scene lost its vibe... through nothing more than corporate greed.

I clung on to hard house... it had seemed to of escaped the mainstream trance takeover .. nights like Sundisessential, Housewives choice were still going strong up North. You could still have loved up nights.. but one by one the artists were either retiring or jumping ship to the more profitable house/trance track writing until all what the hard house scene for me became the Tidytrax weekender twice a year. They were fucking mental though. They used to hire the Butlins holiday camp out in Wales and 2000+ clubbers used to go there to unite again.. even those who had retired early via marriage or pregnancy would still turn up... but after many many good weekenders and many good years.. even they turned sour. The police had caught wind people were having a good time and used to then turn up in there troves. What used to be a good weekender turned into a paranoia hell hearing news about chalets being raided and wondering if yours was going to be next..

With the scene now.. i wouldn't know where to start. Trance is franchised shite.. hard house has completely gone... the only thing left underground is hard-style. I hear there are some good hardstyle nights in Leeds still going.. but hard-style isn't for me. I last went out about 2 years ago. For me.. if i want that connection.. that loved up feeling... its staying at home with those i know best.. tunes and light flashing and drugs as ample as they were back in the day. But of course the only thing missing is the randomers you'd bump into.. they were what made the nights... and I very very much doubt it will ever be like it was.

But its a familiar story... the places are now full of people who want to fight each other.. while the corporate quest for greed profits off the misery.. but isn't that the world all over?

RIP Loved up nights out

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