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Old 01-02-2018, 04:58 PM   #1
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Default Interesting chemtrail explanation

Having learned of Miles Mathis through listening to Mark Devlin, I decided to check his website and research out and look into his claims regarding the PiD (Paul is Dead) theory. Trawling through his site I came across an interesting article he made regarding the likely (in his view) reason for the chemical spraying from the air by chemtrailing. To cut a long article short, he pretty much felt that the reason for the dumping of chemicals was, not to deflect light from the sun nor geo-engineering, but down to pollution because those chemicals cannot be legally dumped anywhere on land.

I don't know what everyone else's opinions are on this, but to me that theory sounds more likely than anything else I've heard.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:47 PM   #2
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I personally think that’s bolloocks, anything can be made legal if you have the right contacts and money.
Pollutants or waste chemicals would cost mega bucks to process for airborne disperel including fuel costs......
Would be cheaper to dig a hole and bury the crap.
Plus someone or an employee might have given that game away by now, it would take a lot of people
to cover something that big up.
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Old 01-02-2018, 10:20 PM   #3
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Which would be fair enough IF it was just planes spraying, but I have seen what I can only call sphere's spraying numerous times and drones, I posted pics of them about 8 years ago on here but stopped posting on here, sick of arguing with people who can't see what going on above them



what type of "plane" is this

Another sphere

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I'm not saying that theory isn't nonsense just that it's an interesting theory which I felt made some sense. I suppose it would be difficult to keep quiet about, but wouldn't that be the same regarding the other theories regarding the spraying?. I have heard that the pilots of the commercial airliners who fly planes that are chemtrailing will be unawares that their plane is spraying the stuff as, from what I've heard at least, is that they can be turned on remotely. Again I don't know if that is true or not.

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This pilot was obviously under the influence


Anarchy in the UK



Something pretty to sign off with a upside down chembow



pics taken in Leicester and Sheffield UK
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I'm not saying that theory isn't nonsense just that it's an interesting theory which I felt made some sense. I suppose it would be difficult to keep quiet about, but wouldn't that be the same regarding the other theories regarding the spraying?. I have heard that the pilots of the commercial airliners who fly planes that are chemtrailing will be unawares that their plane is spraying the stuff as, from what I've heard at least, is that they can be turned on remotely. Again I don't know if that is true or not.
I have taken pics of Ryan, BA and Virgin all spraying



what's this a kamikaze?

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Old 02-02-2018, 02:17 AM   #7
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Having learned of Miles Mathis through listening to Mark Devlin,...., but down to pollution because those chemicals cannot be legally dumped anywhere on land.
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Miles Mathis has come out with some great stuff ... but also some totally insane ideas... And this is the most crazy idea I've ever heard to explain chemtrails ...

Can you imagine the cost and trouble , the secrecy needed to load these chemicals onto planes , in relatively small amounts ( about 10 tonnes ) and then spray them in the atmosphere??? getting everyone seeing the chemtrails and wondering what's going on ???

Why not just load it onto a ship in drums 10,000s tonnes at a time , and go and dump it in deep sea??

He should leave this to experts who spend their lives studying this subject ... many different chemicals and agendas in chemtrailing ..
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Anyone who knows anything about commercial airlines knows this can't be done without the pilot knowing.

The pilot needs to know from the cargo manifest the weight of everything, including fuel for obvious reasons. No one can just strap a couple of hundred pounds of something to an aeroplane without the pilot noticing!

Not only that, but the calculations for the load controllers (the guys who load the plane's cargo) would be all wrong it there was odd, unaccounted weight.

Each plane has a published weight and cargo capacity - even sensitive enough to need to know if the passengers are just 'average' or if there is a team of Sumo wrestlers on board. (I know this because my partner of 10 years was a cargo controller!)

So forget about this happening with commercial flights.

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Yet the skies are painted white, meticulously and with chronologial regularity.

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Anyone who knows anything about commercial airlines knows this can't be done without the pilot knowing.

The pilot needs to know from the cargo manifest the weight of everything, including fuel for obvious reasons. No one can just strap a couple of hundred ponds of something to an aeroplane without the pilot noticing!

Not only that, but the calculations for the load controllers (the guys who load the plane's cargo) would be all wrong it there was odd, unaccounted weight.

Each plane has a published weight and cargo capacity - even sensitive enough to need to know if the passengers are just 'average' or if there is a team of Sumo wrestlers on board. (I know this because my partner of 10 years was a cargo controller!)

So forget about this happening with commercial flights.

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Yet the skies are painted white, meticulously and with chronologial regularity.
In that case we need another explanation.

You could always post the question on amateur aviators' newsgroups, and also ask for an explanation from amateur meteorologists' newsgroups. Don't forget that all amateurs like to discover or expose something publicly. I really think 'chemtrails' would be a subject they are very familiar with and well able to give an informed opinion.

Yet there seems to be a reluctance to obtain any informed opinion from these non-official groups...

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Anyone who knows anything about commercial airlines knows this can't be done without the pilot knowing.

So forget about this happening with commercial flights.

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This is definitely done in commercial flights , and without the pilots (mostly) knowing ...

Standard chemtrailing is done with an additive put in the aviation fuel .

It passes through the engine ,and so is being emitted at take off and landing , but nothing is visible because it needs different conditions which exist at high altitude to form the "chemtrail" which is still mostly water.

Other chemtrails additives which would be destroyed by high engine temp. cannot be added to the fuel ,require specialised planes with tanks and spraying nozzles.

Just like with the vaccines there are many different toxins added , many different agendas.

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Nano particulate.
Weighs nowt.
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This is definitely done in commercial flights , and without the pilots (mostly) knowing ...

Standard chemtrailing is done with an additive put in the aviation fuel .

It passes through the engine ,and so is being emitted at take off and landing , but nothing is visible because it needs high humidity and low temp of high altitude to form the "chemtrail" which is still 99% water.

Other chemtrails additives which would be destroyed by high engine temp. cannot be added to the fuel ,require specialised planes with tanks and spraying nozzles.

Just like with the vaccines there are many different toxins added , many different agendas.
Putting anything into jet fuel (which undertakes multiple quality checks between manufacture and use) would be detrimental to the engines and therefore soon picked up by tell-tail unusual deposits, wear, etc. in the engine during routine maintenance.
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Putting anything into jet fuel (which undertakes multiple quality checks between manufacture and use) would be detrimental to the engines and therefore soon picked up by tell-tail unusual deposits, wear, etc. in the engine during routine maintenance.
This 14 min video explains it all technically ....

http://

" Geoengineer, David Kieth’s comments concerning the preferred use of “alumina” as the compound most effectively sprayed by jet aircraft in order to mitigate global warming.

The term “alumina” refers to aluminum oxide – the most dangerous form of the heavy metal to human and plant life.

We attempt to explain the physics of how jet fuel can be formulated to actually contain aluminum in the form of trimethylaluminum in order to spray aluminum oxide aerosols that originate directly from additives already in the jet fuel.

This could explain how aerosol spraying is achieved without the wide use of special “black ops” airports where tons of aluminum compounds are covertly loaded aboard “chemtrail” aircraft . Instead, the military and their contractors simply fill the aircraft tanks from a fuel source available at the many military, civilian and even private airports located around the world. ...a cost analysis for Geoengineering based on the TMA spray model. AFS determined that the Boeing 747 would be the most efficient aircraft since about half of the world’s cargo is currently transported by 747.

The melting point of Aluminum is 660 deg C. while the combustion chamber in a 747 engine is over 1,800 deg C. This combination would cause any aluminum in the fuel supply to vaporize on combustion and for a while longer as it exits the engine exhaust as thrust. ..."

Mitigation of global warming is their lie and cover story .... vast amounts of aluminium is toxic to life , and in the atmosphere enhances the operation of HARP and other electronic weapons.

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Interesting. Minor detail, but aluminium is not a heavy metal as defined by weight, density or atomic number. (Kinda flags up poorly researched sceintific content, but anyway.)

44b billion pounds (20 million metric tons) of aluminium? That's a LOT of material. And no one has noticed this vast quantity being bought in the commodities markets? That's so much we should be brushing it off our nice shiny vehicles. Or at least easily find it everywhere in dust, even detectable by a basic school chemistry lab. Where's this vast quantity of material being processed, and by whom? How is it being transported around the world from the manufacturing facilities? Who's driving all the trucks - 20 million tons of the stuff!!

The video mixes facts with opinion. Some of the facts could be made up. That's why we need informed opinion from amateur aviation experts. There must be one or two on this forum. Please feel free to add your opinions.
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A few more photo's on the theme of sphere's, no comments on the previous pics? well really what can you say, I have no idea what they are and until you see them with your own eyes it's hard to grasp I know.

Notice to the right of the plane are 2 sphere's


Again I don't profess to know what they are, but sphere's mean something to those in power, this is outside the Vatican


This is outside the UN in NYC

This was from the Telegraph a few years ago, a fictional story


Operation Nephilim lol

I wonder why people don't see this? maybe this is why
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I spent 10 years every day looking up and taking photo's, sad eh? the reason I was able to take some of the photo's I did was I was forewarned, BBC used to use the term white cloud in their weather forecasts, usually following a sunny day, well guess what happened on the "sunny days"




They stopped using this new term not long after I posted about this on here a few years ago, coincidence?
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Interesting. Minor detail, but aluminium is not a heavy metal as defined by weight, density or atomic number. (Kinda flags up poorly researched sceintific content, but anyway.)
I did notice that , Al is of course a light metal ...

but putting.... "Is Al classed as a heavy metal" in search , this is the first link ..."The group of most concern are known as the heavy metals and includes mercury, lead, cadmium, aluminium, and arsenic. The definition of what constitutes a heavy metal is vague and various criteria have been proposed based on density, atomic weight or atomic number, or various chemical properties and toxicity...."

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(20 million metric tons) of aluminium? That's a LOT of material. And no one has noticed this vast quantity being bought in the commodities markets?
That figure of 20Mt (@5mins) was the figure given by a geoengineer , presumably the theoretical amount needed to have an impact on "global warming" ... but this is not why this is being done , so has no bearing .. World production Al 58Mt/year....

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That's so much we should be brushing it off our nice shiny vehicles. .
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Some places in the US they reportedly do see residues ... but unclear how much is being put in the air ...

Watching that video again I have a clearer picture ...trimethylaluminum with the fuel is injected into the engine ... the additive will 'burn' , the C and H reacts with O2 , releasing heat which will help power the engine , the aluminium released apparently stays as metal vapour within the oxygen poor exhaust ... invisible until it mixes with the atmosphere and oxidises to aluminium oxide , super fine particles since formed from aluminium vapour ... the Al2O3 then makes the white smoke , a mix of water vapour and AL2O3...

A 747 burns 200 gm of fuel every 10 meters travelled , if the additive is 5% that's about 1 gm of Al2O3 sprayed every meter of flight .
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A few more photo's on the theme of sphere's, no comments on the previous pics? well really what can you say, I have no idea what they are and until you see them with your own eyes it's hard to grasp I know.


have been with friends and we saw a sphere flying over trails... also personally seen a grey sphere flying through the sky, quite low over the horizon I thought, but as was such a foreign experience it could of been larger and flying higher.

another time a friend thought he saw something cleaning the sky.
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