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Old 14-04-2015, 09:33 AM   #801
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https://youtu.be/UysByIQCDU0

there is a viral video of the passenger list circulating. see link.
interesting that the half brother of brain injured formula 1 racer Michael Schumacher (Sebastian Stahl, who's still active in the formula 1 management and as a Seat car racing series driver) had been on the passenger list, too. However, he wasnt on the plane because he decided to take an earlier flight.

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Old 14-04-2015, 02:26 PM   #802
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MAYBE it would help if you wouldn't spam the thread with irrelevant bullocks!!

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Old 14-04-2015, 02:57 PM   #803
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I am not anti-US, anti-Israel, anti-Iran, anti-Russia.... The 'spam and bollocks' is perhaps the reference I made to the remote possibility that Russia might have had some interest in the missing Malaysian flight. It is not a perfect world and I am very critical of much of what our nations have done but I am not naïve enough to believe that Russia and China are perfect either. If you want the truth do not blind yourself with prejudice.

Last week a Syrian preacher and Assad critic was shot dead. The immediate headlines were that Assad had sent a hit squad. Today a 36 year old - Leslie Cooper was charged with the murder. I have been concerned that incidents are used by the media to incite without any investigation or evidence. I do not like being accused of spamming or lying for looking into corners that some dislike as they use incidents for exactly the same reason, to incite without any evidence and only to point fingers at for example Nato or the US or Israel. Just be open to looking everywhere if you want justice and truth.

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Old 14-04-2015, 03:03 PM   #804
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Last week a Syrian preacher and Assad critic was shot dead. The immediate headlines were that Assad had sent a hit squad. Today a 36 year old - Lewis Cooper was charged with the murder. I have been concerned that incidents are used by the media to incite without any investigation or evidence. I do not like being accused of spamming or lying for looking into corners that some dislike as they use incidents for exactly the same reason, to incite without any evidence and only to point fingers at for example Nato or the US or Israel. Just be open to looking everywhere if you want justice and truth.
If they control the media and if they want to incite, why not make it look like Assad did send a hit squad? Why do they have to jump on random opportunities, I thought nothing was coincidence?
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Old 14-04-2015, 04:17 PM   #805
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The man was shot on the 7th, the next day several papers carried the headline. This is from the Express:

Syrian preacher assassinated on west London street by 'Syrian hit squad'

A SYRIAN preacher from a west London mosque has been found shot dead in a car in a suspected assassination by his country's regime.
By Rebecca Perring

PUBLISHED: 03:41, Wed, Apr 8, 2015 | UPDATED: 08:54, Wed, Apr 8, 2015

In fact the family did not think Assad ordered the killing but we were told that Counter Terrorist police had taken charge. Most stories like this are sent out by news agencies, one in particular. It is not control exactly but how much appears in the news very fast.

With Germanwings the stories also poured out very fast and again probably relied on the news agency as again several papers carried the same headline about the Iranians on board. In time the truth comes out but as mentioned by then it is old news. The subliminal effects is at its highest when first reading about it, mentioning it in the office and home 'I see Assad sent a hit squad over here', 'Good Lord there were 2 Iranians on that flight that went down' etc.

Today a Royal Naval 'heavily armed' warship is escorting 3 Russian ships in the English Channel (not English to the French). If Russian ships want to get out of the Baltic they have no choice but to pass through the narrow strait between Denmark and Sweden and either head north of Britain or through the very busy Channel. Either way they will be seen as a potential threat. Russia is limited with naval bases - in the far north they are ice bound much of the year. The Crimean base is in the Black Sea whose only exit is through the tiny strait in Istanbul. There was also Tartus in Syria on the Med. But if any Russian warship moves it will be noted as a potential threat unlike any US or UK warships which sail all over the world.

So I was just noting how the news agency slants the language when reporting stuff - just to keep us on our toes. Our main stream media either choose to publish immediately or wait for more evidence before committing themselves.

There were almost hourly leaks and news agency reports from a source close to the investigation with Germanwings. After the grainy/blurry video was shown to two reporters (why grainy? it either survived as a memory card or was destroyed surely and these days most mobiles have high pixel rates) we were told that there were phones that had been collected from the crash site but they had not been looked at. This is from the Guardian on 1 April the day after the video was reportedly seen:

" “The scene was so chaotic that it was hard to identify people, but the sounds of the screaming passengers made it perfectly clear that they were aware of what was about to happen to them,” the Paris Match article said.


Bild reported that the video had been found by “a source close to the investigation” and had been retrieved from the wreckage.

When the story of the video broke, Lt Col Jean-Marc Menichini, of the French gendarmerie, denied that investigators had found mobile phone footage at the crash site, telling CNN the reports were “completely wrong” and “unwarranted”.


The Marseille state prosecutor Brice Robin, who is handling the case in France, said in a statement that the inquiry evidence did not include any video footage from the flight. He said: “Hypothetically, if anyone were to have any such video, they should immediately hand it over to investigators.”

Robin told Reuters that none of the mobile telephones collected at the crash site had been sent for analysis. “All are for now being kept at Seynes-les-Alpes. If people at the site have picked up mobile phones, I am not aware of it.”

Lufthansa said it did not know if any such video existed or not, but questioned whether a mobile phone could have withstood the impact."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ic-paris-match

Now the 'leak' has gone very quiet. Apprehended? No one has said that. But as the truth comes out the scintillating headlines recede from memory. Surely they have looked at these mobiles by now, surely some sim cards did survive. Perhaps no one filmed or said anything into them. Perhaps someone took them all away and they have not been seen since. All possibilities but note how quiet the leak has become just when there must be some real evidence to report before the investigation gets a chance.

Coincidences are everywhere, some very odd ones in our home. I recall telling my wife about a dream I had in which she was a 'cheese grater'. She was grating cheese as I told her but I had not noticed. Last night I dreamed of two relatives in separate dreams who coincidentally both died in the 1990's aged 25. Etc. Not always very significant are they?

They say today that Lufthansa may be sued for manslaughter. I expect that they will mount some sort of defence and we may find out more than we expect.

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Old 14-04-2015, 06:56 PM   #806
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thanks you have made me realise reve is better on my ignore list; also making my threads a bit shorter.

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Old 15-04-2015, 07:47 AM   #807
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https://youtu.be/UysByIQCDU0

there is a viral video of the passenger list circulating. see link.
interesting that the half brother of brain injured formula 1 racer Michael Schumacher (Sebastian Stahl, who's still active in the formula 1 management and as a Seat car racing series driver) had been on the passenger list, too. However, he wasnt on the plane because he decided to take an earlier flight.
But of course!
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Old 15-04-2015, 12:40 PM   #808
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Wikipedia has decided the cause of the crash and no conspiracies are noted. The Marseilles prosecutor has confirmed that cockpit recording. The co-pilot is therefore deemed guilty.

‘ On 27 March, Germanwings' parent company Lufthansa offered victims' families an initial aid payment of up to €50,000, separate from any compensation that must by law be paid over the disaster. Elmar Giemulla, a professor of aviation law at the Technical University of Berlin, quoted by the Rheinische Post, said that he expected the airline would pay a total of €10–30 million in compensation. The Montreal Convention sets a €143,000 cap per victim in the event an airline is held liable. On 31 March, the airline stated that its insurance company had set aside US$300 million (€280 million) for financial compensation to victims' families and for the cost of the aircraft itself’

That is around 2 million euros per passenger as the 24 year old plane is not worth much.

Because the cockpit recorder was found so quickly there really would not have been time to fake it. Indeed if there was any reason for the crash other than the co-pilot causing it deliberately it would have to have been devised a long time before the plane ever took off. Even if there was a cover up for some other event the co-pilot’s history would have taken longer to emerge as the official reason.

So for this to have been devised some time in advance there would have to be reasons other than the passenger list or any cargo. It is not really conceivable that it is because Germany and France negotiated a peace over Ukraine. Nor that it was intended to blame Iran. Nor that some terrorists did this, have not claimed credit and the affair had to be quickly covered up. However due to the way the facts emerged and were presented and due to the heightened passions in the world at present it is not entirely impossible either that something happened which has not been reported.

Which leaves those phones. If relatives can identify them and if there are any pictures or messages on them that confirm the official version the whole affair can be put to bed. Which does not appear to be the case with either Malaysian flight yet.

I was very impressed with the posts here of bluebirdgr. My feeling is that the black box could conceivably have been recovered immediately, checked fast to establish what happened before the facts started to emerge, and was then quietly replaced. That would not really raise any suspicions of foul play by the authorities, just common sense.

My posts are usually long and I have also been told off by a few posters in the past for my copy & pastes, indeed told off for quite a few things especially by some who actually claim to have known me years ago and disliked me intensely, or disliked what I was mentioning which I think is more likely. I am a bit old to change my ways and happy to be ignored. Some threads here, particularly the ’Blessed are the peacemakers’ thread would be tiny if I am on an ignore list and perhaps much more digestible if you like snappy one liners rather than paragraphs of facts. But my experience also shows me that when one gets a bit too close to the truth some will dive in and attempt damage limitation. So I do not think my Russia comment is necessarily responsible at all, and now lean to wondering if someone has blown a cleverly constructed cover to stifle debate. In which case why? What was posted here that fits that bill?

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Old 15-04-2015, 10:02 PM   #809
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Wikipedia has decided the cause of the crash and no conspiracies are noted. The Marseilles prosecutor has confirmed that cockpit recording. The co-pilot is therefore deemed guilty.

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TPTB will never admit that Israel has steered the plane into the mountain and in the same way Israel has demolished WTC buildings using scalar weapon.
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Old 16-04-2015, 07:14 AM   #810
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strange as I watched csi last night plane went down by remote blamed the co pilot.. threw in 911 a glitch of some kind maybe not but one scene showed mtns which was out of place not though if you weren't looking.
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Old 17-04-2015, 11:34 AM   #811
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A new post has been added to the Germanwings date relatinships thread.

The Illuminati and Germanwings Flight 9525


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Old 18-04-2015, 03:34 PM   #812
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I wonder if there was any important people on board. The germanwings flight apparently had one person on board which was the reason they took it down wiith a laser weapon.
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Old 19-04-2015, 07:38 PM   #813
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In the Interview with Ralph T. Niemeyer retired US Airforce captain Field McConnell testifies what he believes brought down 4U9525 over the French Alps on 24 March 2015.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnYKuhUN6AA

"What's reported to have been done by Andreas Lubitz is impossible" - Field McConnell
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Both the prosecutor’s statement and the mainstream media’s subsequent campaign blatantly violate the basic principles of journalism and the entire Western hemisphere’s legal systems. Article 11, paragraph 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of the United Nations in 1948 states: ” Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defense.”

The fact that this presumption of innocence has been (and is still being) completely disregarded by the mainstream media (and also by a part of the supposedly critical media), casts a revealing light on the moral state of the news industry. However, the willful moral destruction of a deceased person and his family members should also prompt everyone with a critical mind to raise at least two questions: What interests lie behind this targeted smear campaign? Who benefits from it?

Even a cursory glance at the aviation industry shows that it has been in considerable distress for at least two decades. Mergers, bankruptcies, acquisitions, the founding of low-cost carrier fleets and a relentless international price war have been accompanied by country-wide strikes, wage cuts, layoffs of permanent staff and the hiring of temporary workers.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-cra...mpaign/5440895

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Old 20-04-2015, 07:55 PM   #814
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Someone on another forum was sayng that there is a massive cover up over this. Somethign to do with computers put inside your head sending messages to controllers who make some people do crazy things.
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About the blackbox discussed earlier in the video that was saying that they looked like they were old and rusty from a warehouse. There is another crash that happened in France with an A320 during an airshow. The pilot says practically the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cde0uyRJJnQ?t=39m36s

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Old 03-04-2016, 11:03 PM   #817
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Here's an example of the narrative not quite settling regarding Martyn Matthews...

source: http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...on-dad-8917766

or....

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...on-dad-8917766
two different stories....which is it?
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Sharon Matthews talks for the first time of her family's loss
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...victim-7678350
2 APR 2016
Only now, following a special ceremony to commemorate the victims of the sabotage murder-suicide attack in France last week, is Sharon finally able to talk about her loss.

Sharon, a primary school sports instructor, is the first to concede she feels absolutely bereft since Martyn’s death.

Martyn, 55, a quality control manager, was on a business trip from Barcelona to Düsseldorf....

He was only on the flight because he could not get a direct flight back to Birmingham, and wanted to be with his family as quickly as possible.

Although the Matthews family have received a huge outpouring of public sympathy, particularly from Martyn’s beloved Wolverhampton Wanderers’ football team, Sharon says they are struggling to come to terms with Lubitz’ callous act.

Sharon and Martyn have two children, Nathan, 24, and Jade, 21, both of whom also attended the recent memorial.

Sharon is back at work and doing her best to put on a brave face, but the grief of losing her soul mate in such sudden, unexpected circumstances is ever-present.
The remains?
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...returned-home/
June 8, 2015
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Following a 10-week search, each family will now receive a coffin after the horrific task of recovering remains from the wreckage of the disaster.

Robert Jensen, 49, from crisis management firm Kenyon International, took on the task of finding the bodies from Flight 4U 9525, which crashed on route to Düsseldorf from Barcelona on March 24

He said each family will receive a ­coffin containing fragments of their ­relatives and a list of its contents..
Right...
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...ampton-father/
March 14, 2016
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Mrs Matthews was in Cologne on Saturday to hear the report with other families.

She said: "I need to keep fighting because I have to get justice for my husband. I'm still trying to get my head around it."

March 24 2016
talking "exclusively" to the Express and Star...
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/l...s-for-justice/
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Since the crash, Mrs Matthews has forced herself to fly to every hearing to see that justice is done for Martyn and his fellow victims, despite the prospect of flying being terrifying.

She said: “I’ve been on about 38 planes since then. I absolutely hate it. How do I trust them?

“Seeing this latest incident in Brussels has freaked me out. When something like Brussels happens, it affects you. It opens your wounds again, although mine have never really healed. They never will heal.”
[Nothing happened in Brussels, just a false flag drill hoax - a bit like German Wings]

I get the feeling that the supplied photo is quite an old one...

compare ....



[2012]
source - https://twitter.com/MattAshmore2/sta...33886335315968

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