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Old 15-08-2014, 09:03 PM   #1
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Default US police Shoot 100 Black Americans Each Year

Nearly two times a week in the United States, a white police officer killed a black person during a seven-year period ending in 2012, according to the most recent accounts of justifiable homicide reported to the FBI.

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FBI: US police involved in 400 killings per year

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Nearly two times a week in the United States, a white police officer killed a black person during a seven-year period ending in 2012, according to the most recent accounts of justifiable homicide reported to the FBI.

On average, there were 96 such incidents among at least 400 police killings each year that were reported to the FBI by local police. The numbers appear to show that the shooting of a black teenager in Ferguson, Missouri, last Saturday was not an isolated event in American policing.

The reports show that 18% of the blacks killed during those seven years were under age 21, compared to 8.7% of whites. The victim in Ferguson was 18-year-old Michael Brown. Police have yet to identify the officer who shot him; witnesses have said the officer was white.

While the racial analysis is striking, the database it's based on has been long considered flawed and largely incomplete. The killings are self-reported by law enforcement and not all police departments participate so the database undercounts the actual number of deaths. Plus, the numbers are not audited after they are submitted to the FBI and the statistics on "justifiable" homicides have conflicted with independent measures of fatalities at the hands of police.

About 750 agencies contribute to the database, a fraction of the 17,000 law enforcement agencies in the United States.

University of South Carolina criminologist Geoff Alpert, who has long studied police use of deadly force, said the FBI's limited database underscores a gaping hole in the nation's understanding of how often local police take a life on America's streets — and under what circumstances.

''There is no national database for this type of information, and that is so crazy," said Alpert. "We've been trying for years, but nobody wanted to fund it and the (police) departments didn't want it. They were concerned with their image and liability. They don't want to bother with it.''

Alpert said the database can confirm that a death has occurred but is good for little else. "I've looked at records in hundreds of departments,'' Alpert said, "and it is very rare that you find someone saying, 'Oh, gosh, we used excessive force.' In 98.9% of the cases, they are stamped as justified and sent along.''

Despite those flaws, the FBI records remain the most complete nationwide accounting of people killed by the police.

The International Association of Chiefs of Police, the nation's largest group of police officials, has maintained that police use of force is rare. Citing data gathered by the Bureau of Justices Statistics in 2008, the IACP said less than 2% of the 40 million people who had contact with police reported the use of force or threatened use of force.

"In large part, the public perception of police use of force is framed and influenced by the media depictions which present unrealistic and often outlandish representations of law enforcement and the policing profession,'' the group said in a 2012 report.

And in a written statement Thursday, IACP President Yost Zakhary said the group "remains committed to studying police use of force issues.''

But University of Nebraska criminologist Samuel Walker, who has conducted extensive research on police force issues, called the lack of a national repository tracking such incidents a "major failure'' of the criminal justice system.

That doesn't mean that all incidents have escaped scrutiny. In addition to federal and state prosecutions of individual officers, seven US police departments have been the subject of reviews by the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division in the wake of fatal police shootings since 2010, according to Justice records.

Albuquerque and New Orleans represented the most egregious cases during that time, while separate reviews have involved Puerto Rico, Portland, Miami, Seattle and Newark.

Earlier this year, street protests erupted in Albuquerque following the police shooting death of James Boyd, a homeless man who had a history of violent outbursts and mental instability.

A month later, the Justice Department issued a scathing review of the local police department, concluding that of 20 fatal shootings resulting in death between 2009 and 2012, a "majority ... were unconstitutional.''

"I'll be the first one to say that they put their life on the line every day, but they're killing innocent people and kids," said Christal Kennerson, whose nephew was shot and killed by an Albuquerque police officer in 2012.

Her nephew, Daniel Tillison, 31, was unarmed at the time. Police said the officer was responding to an anonymous report of someone selling stolen stereo parts. An investigation by local prosecutors found that when the officer approached him, Tillison put his car in gear and tried to drive away, colliding with the officer's patrol car. The officer, Martin Smith, said he saw Tillison holding a black object; fearing that it was a gun, he shot Tillison once, killing him. Prosecutors concluded that the shooting was justified.

Kennerson said nothing her nephew had done justified killing him. "Just because my nephew wasn't an angel didn't mean he needed to die," she said.

An Austin police officer shot Billie Mercer's unarmed son in the back of the neck last year. The oldest of his three children, now 13, still asks when he'll be able to see his father again, she said.

"I already feel like I have a hole in my heart, and to see my grandkids missing him like that," she said, going quiet for a moment. "That detective, he just doesn't know what he did to our family."

Mercer's son, Larry Jackson, Jr., was killed after he tried to open the door of an Austin bank that had been robbed earlier that day. A detective, Charles Kleinert, tried to question him, but Jackson fled. Kleinert — who at one point got a ride from a passerby — pursued him under a nearby bridge, where he shot Jackson in the back of the neck. A grand jury indicted Kleinert on a manslaughter charge in May. It charged that Kleinert was trying to strike Jackson while he was holding his gun, "recklessly" causing his death. Jackson died under the bridge.

Watching news reports of other police shootings "hurts, and something needs to be done about it. The police are protecting their own when they know they're wrong," Mercer said.

Beyond the work of Justice's Civil Rights Division, which is largely focused on individual agencies, Walker said a national repository of police deadly force cases is needed to define the scope of the problem for the public.

"The reason there isn't one is because the information is often embarrassing for police departments,'' Walker said. “People should be able to log into a database and identify where their own department stands on this,'' he said, adding that the information supplied annually to the FBI on police officers who are killed or assaulted in the line of duty is far more detailed.

The IACP was part of project launched in 1996 to collect police use-of-force information across the nation. That effort was shutdown in 2001 when federal funding expired.

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Old 15-08-2014, 09:38 PM   #2
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Could the large ratio of black people killed compared to white people being killed correspond to the fact that the number of crimes commited by black people is higher than the number commited by white people?
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Could the large ratio of black people killed compared to white people being killed correspond to the fact that the number of crimes commited by black people is higher than the number commited by white people?
It's possible, but it begs the question should crime be solved on the spot execution style? Is a traffic offense worth death? How about shoplifting?

Another reality is that a lot of these shootings occur in high crime, gang filled areas, and that some of these guys being killed are dangerous felons that the police are essentially executing. Some... most are victims of circumstances. The circumstance being that they are dealing with a poilice mentality of "occasionally we execute thugs... hey... that looks like a THUG!!".
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Old 15-08-2014, 11:41 PM   #4
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5 to 6 thousand black males are killed by other Black males every year in the US, not that this justifies the 100 killed by police but a sense of perspective is required to make a judgement on sensationalist headlines.
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Old 16-08-2014, 07:57 AM   #5
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Officers who have died in live of duty in the US

2013 Line of Duty Deaths: 105
2012 Line of Duty Deaths: 126
2011 Line of Duty Deaths: 179

http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2011

I'm not making excuses but it's good to look at these things from different angles.

It gives more info via the link on the stats, ie did they in gunfire, automobile accident etc
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I agree with the responses to op. Op took a stat that is too simplified for the situation they are trying to portray. Its a very complicated situation, and the variables are far more than there simply stat, as seen by the responses so far.

Each of those deaths need to be taken in there own context.

You can make stats fit any argument you want.
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Old 16-08-2014, 12:34 PM   #7
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5 to 6 thousand black males are killed by other Black males every year in the US, not that this justifies the 100 killed by police but a sense of perspective is required to make a judgement on sensationalist headlines.
Exactly. Cops killing anyone is horrific, but we can't just look at these statistics and say 'omg cops are killing innocent people'. How many of those black people killed were resisting arrest, had a weapon, were running away etc etc? The stats don't tell us that. There's also a large number of whites killed by cops, although not the same rate as blacks killed by cops, so I seriously doubt it has anything to do with race. Then of course, as you raised in your comment, there's a MASSIVE amount (thousands) of blacks killed by other blacks, simply incomparable to the amount of internal violence of other races and there is NO outage over it. 5 to 6 thousand blacks killed every year is on a war death scale. Where is the outrage? It's nowhere to be seen. Unbelievable.
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I agree with the responses to op. Op took a stat that is too simplified for the situation they are trying to portray. Its a very complicated situation, and the variables are far more than there simply stat, as seen by the responses so far.

Each of those deaths need to be taken in there own context.

You can make stats fit any argument you want.
PressTV is just race-baiting. Absolute gutter website and I think it speaks volumes about anyone who uses it as a source.
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Obviously, the story isn't the deaths themselves. It would take millions of years to meaningfully reduce the black population of the US at such a rate.

NO.

The true intent of these shootings is a propaganda war. White americans, rather than be outraged at the militarization of the police, all they see instead is blacks rioting, and get scared. Buy more guns, move out of areas with blacks. Yes, these shootings are simply conduits to drive a wedge between white and black.

The answer, of course, is for the blacks to refuse to rise to the provocation and protest peacefully. Silently.
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Officers who have died in live of duty in the US

2013 Line of Duty Deaths: 105
2012 Line of Duty Deaths: 126
2011 Line of Duty Deaths: 179

http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2011

I'm not making excuses but it's good to look at these things from different angles.

It gives more info via the link on the stats, ie did they in gunfire, automobile accident etc
how many of those were killed by TPTB undercover teams to keep police n ppl divided?
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how many of those were killed by TPTB undercover teams to keep police n ppl divided?
Probably none.

In the light of what others have said, putting your OP in perspective, do you feel that 100 a year is a figure of note?
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PressTV is just race-baiting. Absolute gutter website and I think it speaks volumes about anyone who uses it as a source.
Very true!

Thanks for pointing it out. I thought it was just me seeing the liberal race baiting that goes on, on that website?

Another area of liberal bias is the private ownership guns. PressTV can't stand it, and they aren't coy about saying it

PressTV occasionally runs a good story. But what little good it does do is trumped by it's agenda based news reporting.
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If this had been an article saying "Look how many PEOPLE are killed by the police every single year" I probably would have given it more time and thought. However this is just another way to pit black people against white people - fact is, we are all PEOPLE and any crime against "people" is bad whether they be black, white, green, or polka dot. A crime against a black person is no worse than a crime against a white person and vice versa.
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Blacks represent 12 % of the US population.....
So 6 % are female...
So let's say 3% are Black males between the ages of 16 and 30....

That 3% commits 50% of the murders in the USA...

Black males make up 46 % of the US prison population....{ & again: they represent only 6% of the total USA population.**

And then there's the 'knockout game ".....

& the rape statistics>> http://library.flawlesslogic.com/rape.htm

Is it any wonder that most big city cops hate Blacks ...

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Whom are we kidding..Blacks were brought to America for Beginning and End Times.

They were needed to built America and now they are needed to destroy it. They are kept on welfare for end of time chaos now.

Blacks are family oriented people in essence. Look at Africa, except for elite invasion from west, it lived on for millions of years.

Black Race if left to their own devices can survive for millions of years. Proof Africa. They don't need wall street, car, economy, dollar and fed. Its a myth and they are caged sort of in America now.

Now, some smarty pants says, why don't Black people just leave America and go live in Africa. Easier said than done. They were born in America, their whole vibe has changed.

They now don't have the skill passed on from generations to live in Africa, hunt and live in a tribe and small villages. The Elites Broke that strong tradition.

Remember, They left or killed the old people in Africa while slaving young people into America. It was deliberate so that survival knowledge would not be passed on.

Africa had very evolved ways to survive and thrive in their own ways. Kids from young age were taught how to hunt, survival skills in jungle etc. Now, some retards in America and elsewhere, just says...why don't they leave America. How stupid? How can they now survive in Africa...when all skills they had is lost?

The elites are too smart. They did the crime to Black Race and now ordinary white people are made to feel guilty and made to pay the price.

Whites and Blacks were both slaved into America. Most white just don't know it. For example. During the early 19th century, the elites created chaos in Europe and made white people flee. However, 90% of the ships from England were headed to America not to Africa or Asia or South America.

The fares were cheap/free and affordable to all ships leaving for America not to any other continent. Why? Most ships were owned by the Rothschilds. It was deliberate. They guided Europeans into America. Many didn't have a choice while leaving Europe.

On a deeper level. All Americans are caged. Once you enter America. They own you. You can never leave. Only few make it out. The American citizenship Oath is the darkest words you could ever hear in your life. I get chills, when i heard it for the first time. Never take the American Citizenship Oath.
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That's all reported numbers. What about the unreported numbers? I don't expect at all on this particular topic, that the MSM is going to tell any truth in numbers.

You have people that get shot by police for satanic reasons, b/c its a satanic hub. As well as those involved with illegal activity, and have to "take care of business". Lets not forget the organ conspiracy......which is the motivation for a lot of "unreported" and even "gang related" incidents.
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Better "non-lethal" weapons. The problem is any weapon used by the police has to be equally powerful as those available to civilians. Even if you were to revoke second amedment rights guns will still find a way in albeit in much smaller numbers. Every cruiser should have two cops minium as having back up could make one less jittery and also deter the use of excessive force.
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Could the large ratio of black people killed compared to white people being killed correspond to the fact that the number of crimes commited by black people is higher than the number commited by white people?
It's not a large ratio. Only 100 out of the 400 are black. That's 25%
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It's not a large ratio. Only 100 out of the 400 are black. That's 25%
I see that now, completely misinterpreted what was being said. Strange that the title is talking about how many black people have been killed then - surely it should just read "400 people a year are killed by police"
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It's possible, but it begs the question should crime be solved on the spot execution style? Is a traffic offense worth death? How about shoplifting?

Another reality is that a lot of these shootings occur in high crime, gang filled areas, and that some of these guys being killed are dangerous felons that the police are essentially executing. Some... most are victims of circumstances. The circumstance being that they are dealing with a poilice mentality of "occasionally we execute thugs... hey... that looks like a THUG!!".
I think the trouble is the drugs issue. Most people, black or white, when they see a cop draw his weapon will get down on the ground and do what he says (unless they have a death wish)
Obviously being under the influence of something can alter your perception and make you appear (and quite realistically be) a threat to the cop.

Id hazard a guess most of these 100 corpses had strong traces of illegal substances in their blood. I guess more rubber bullets or tasers is the best we can hope for in such a situation.
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