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Old 29-05-2016, 09:34 AM   #21
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The sad truth is there is more freedom & equality in America now than there ever was. As bad as it IS now, anyone who thinks it was ever any better just hasn't done enough research.

Masonic America started off as a white supremacist Plutocracy. History proves that. Anyone who wasn't a rich white protestant was discriminated against.. blacks, women, jews, quakers, catholics, indians, the poor, etc..

Is this what Donald Trump wants us to revert back to?

I too would like to know what elements of America's past were so "great" that Trump thinks we need to restore.

Because if we truly look at his policies, Trump obviously wants to increase the Big Brother state. He want's America to be even more intrusive & authoritarian, more militaristic, hungrier for war, & so on..

His promotion of American exceptionalism is straight off the NWO's playbook too, & has traditionally been used as a rallying cry & justification for America's expansionist/imperialist foreign policy (the NWO) going all the way back to its founding. This would explain why he's so aggressive.. calling for boots on the ground in Iraq, bombing Iran, strengthening the military, bolstering the military-industrial complex, increasing domestic surveillance, & so on.
no i think he is referring to the time in the 60's to 70's where inequality wasn't so bad. Yes there has been work to do in terms of civil rights and so on but really much of the power of black, hispanic and women workers is tied to wealth. If people have more wealth, they have more opportunities, more options and more health and happiness

So what ALL people of all races and genders need to be doing is looking at why the US is becoming so unequal. When they do this they will find out that the central bankers are behind it. If they can tackle them they can improve prosperity for all and i bet that if you improve the economic properity of all people you will find people speaking about race a lot less...as people become more financially secure you'll see less racial tensions and you'll see more harmony and you'll see more mutual respect between people as they begin to feel less insecure, less threatened and less vulnerable and less angry

economic hardship creates a breeding ground for anger and blame which is easily missdirected into racial and gender conflicts. The el-ite always look to exploit that to take the heat off themselves

The other thing the corporate el-ite have historically done to take the heat of themselves is to start wars to create an external enemy and they are doing that with islam and russia
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Old 29-05-2016, 03:14 PM   #22
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no i think he is referring to the time in the 60's to 70's where inequality wasn't so bad. Yes there has been work to do in terms of civil rights and so on but really much of the power of black, hispanic and women workers is tied to wealth. If people have more wealth, they have more opportunities, more options and more health and happiness

So what ALL people of all races and genders need to be doing is looking at why the US is becoming so unequal. When they do this they will find out that the central bankers are behind it. If they can tackle them they can improve prosperity for all and i bet that if you improve the economic properity of all people you will find people speaking about race a lot less...as people become more financially secure you'll see less racial tensions and you'll see more harmony and you'll see more mutual respect between people as they begin to feel less insecure, less threatened and less vulnerable and less angry

economic hardship creates a breeding ground for anger and blame which is easily missdirected into racial and gender conflicts. The el-ite always look to exploit that to take the heat off themselves

The other thing the corporate el-ite have historically done to take the heat of themselves is to start wars to create an external enemy and they are doing that with islam and russia
No doubt the wealth gap correlates to inequality, but Trump is not addressing those issues at all.

For one, Trump's protective tariff will lead to price increases across the board, not just on imported goods. This will cripple the lower & lower-middle class who have a hard enough time affording basic life necessities. It's a revenue scheme for the Federal government at the direct expense of the lower & lower-middle classes.

Also, if making America great again had to do with wealth inequality, why would Donald Trump think so highly of Ronald Reagan, whose economic policies led to more wealth inequality than any other President? Trump would be vehemently critical of Reagan.

You said the central bankers are responsible. Why then does Trump support the role of the Fed, even going as far as praising former Fed Chairmen Paul Volcker?



I'm obviously not a fan of Bernie Sanders, but he is the only one addressing wealth inequality.

Trump's platform seems to be more about promoting the big brother state, militarism, & the war industry, while scapegoating Muslims & Mexicans for all of our problems.

Nothing Trump is talking about will lead to more equality.



I think you are also underestimating the impact that America's Anglo-Saxon Protestant roots have had, which literally looked down on women & other races as inferior. Heck, even the Irish were discriminated against.

Our long history of racial supremacism is partially responsible for wealth inequality. It's not always the case, & you make some good points, but it's certainly the case for America, & this seems to be the direction Trump would take us in to be "great again", as evidenced by his rhetoric & policies.
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Old 29-05-2016, 03:41 PM   #23
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I'm obviously not a fan of Bernie Sanders, but he is the only one addressing wealth inequality.
Jilll Stein is addressing wealth inequality. This comes up for search on the topic.
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In the second segment of Chris Hedges’ conversation with Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein, the two lay out the solutions to issues like economic inequality, the military-industrial complex, and climate change. Hedges and Stein explain the need for sustained nonviolent civil disobedience and a unified grassroots movement. They also discuss electoral expressions of such action, weighing the strengths of Bernie Sanders' campaign against the necessity for viable third party options.

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Old 29-05-2016, 03:52 PM   #24
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Jilll Stein is addressing wealth inequality. This comes up for search on the topic.


True. If only the Green Party could get as much attention as the Democrats..

Instead we're forced to choose between closet Fascists like Trump & Clinton & champagne Socialists like Bernie Sanders.
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I agree with Webster Tarpley that the best thing for American politics would be for both the Republican and Democratic parties to splinter into several groups.

Both major organizations need to be smashed into several smaller splinter groups.

Then other parties like Green and other new parties can become more relevant.

The corporate wing of the Democratic Party needs to be highlighted and exposed , and abandoned. The Clintons can have that for themselves. They need to be thou roughly discredited.

The entire Republican Party needs to be completely discredited for what they are. The party of the oligarchs which uses cultural, religious, and racial issues to sucker in people who do not benefit from their policies.

Anyways like Kappy said Trump is not addressing anything that has to do with wealth inequality. He has even said wages are too high.

The guy is a liar and a hypocrite. I believe some of his Trump merchandise isn't even made in America.
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True. If only the Green Party could get as much attention as the Democrats..

Instead we're forced to choose between closet Fascists like Trump & Clinton & champagne Socialists like Bernie Sanders.
Well Americans need to turn to the Zimbabwe media to hear about Jill.
http://www.herald.co.zw/putting-peop...before-profit/
Women need to turn to mens magazines to hear about a female candidate.
http://www.gq.com/story/jill-stein-g...arty-interview

If Trump being opposed by the MSM means he is anti NWO then Jill being ignored Trumps that. Jill can win it is a grassroots movement that can do it. With libertarians polling at 10% and 55% of Americans desiring a 3rd party option anything is possible.
Dems are attacking on the Nader issue with sick articles like this from slate (written by a phsycologist) where greens are blamed for what bush voters did. Rule out parties using such manipulation. Afterall it is these very techniques that are to blame for the bad government that has existed and will continue to exist so long as people allow themselves to be corrupted by such deceptive techniques of voter corralling. Dems should be writing a book to warn future generations about these techniques rather than seeking election using them.
slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/a_letter_to_a_bernie_or_bust_voter.html

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This is Donald Trump's slogan.

It is very similar to other Republican slogans, I believe John McCain had something similar during his presidential campaign.

To me these are the same right wing themes that "Liberals have destroyed America, and we need to reclaim it"

I believe the language is coded and has subliminal meanings meant to awaken certain sentiment and emotional feelings amonst certain people. I believe this is a sort of dog whistle. But I'd like to ask somebody to explain something to me because it seems like many people buy into this narrative and sentiment of "Make America Great again"

I believe its a bunch of fluff but somebody who would like to defend it, I ask the following questions.

1. When exactly was America great ?

2. What at that time made it great ?

3. When specifically did it stop being great ?

4. What at that time made it stop being great ?

Specific answers are better please.
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Yup Trump clothing line was made in China, Bangladesh, Honduras using slave labour like all good capitalists.

What a fraud and joke Trump is.

Yeah this is the guy who will now bring back jobs and make America great.

What a buffoon.
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Yup Trump clothing line was made in China, Bangladesh, Honduras using slave labour like all good capitalists.

What a fraud and joke Trump is.

Yeah this is the guy who will now bring back jobs and make America great.

What a buffoon.
And Trump Tower was built with illegal immigrant labor, in league with his mafia friends.

Total hypocrite.

Fact is Trump has made a career out of screwing over American workers.
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And Trump Tower was built with illegal immigrant labor, in league with his mafia friends.

Total hypocrite.

Fact is Trump has made a career out of screwing over American workers.
I didn't even know that about the illegal immigrant Labour, but why am I not surprised. The guy is a two faced liar and opportunist. A typical politician. He just changes his tune on issues depending on who he speaks to.
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You said the central bankers are responsible. Why then does Trump support the role of the Fed, even going as far as praising former Fed Chairmen Paul Volcker?
volckers a reformer:

What bothered Volcker was very simple: After hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer bailouts, he was appalled that the biggest banks—which Obama allowed to remain intact despite having caused the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression—had been permitted to resume their pre-crisis habits of behaving like hedge funds, trading recklessly with taxpayer-guaranteed money. Volcker wanted a rule that would bar commercial banks from indulging in "proprietary" trading (in other words, gambling for the firm's own gain), thus cordoning off federally guaranteed bank deposits and Federal Reserve lending from the heaviest risk-taking on the Street. It was the closest thing he could get to a return of Glass-Steagall, the 1933 law that forced big banks like J.P. Morgan to spin off their riskier investment banking sides into new firms (in that case, Morgan Stanley) after the Crash that led to the Depression.

Commercial banks that lie at the heart of the economy and are able to draw cheap money from the Fed discount window "shouldn't be doing risky capital market stuff," Volcker told me. "I don't want them to be Goldman Sachs, running a zillion proprietary operations." But the president "obviously decided not to accept" his recommendations, Volcker said then.

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Our long history of racial supremacism is partially responsible for wealth inequality. It's not always the case, & you make some good points, but it's certainly the case for America, & this seems to be the direction Trump would take us in to be "great again", as evidenced by his rhetoric & policies.
look man trump tells people what they want to hear, that's why he is so wildy successful...you should know that by now

but we have all seen this before. Many of us here are old enough and ugly enough to have seen many election cycles where people make great promises, come in and then fail to deliver...just look at obama! He rode in on a wave of hope and goes out on a trickle of despair

People are not coming at all of this from the right angle imo; even vancitys proposals above to break the parties up shows a total lack of understanding over how this system is run

If you look at the UK for example its all rigged....we have voting constituencies where the borders are arranged around demographics. We don't have proportional representation which means parties do not get a proportional amount of MP's into parliament and regardless what party you vote in all they do is preside over a vast beaurocracy full of civil servants who are always there regardless of who gets voted in

The 'crown' is a deep state of high up police chiefs, intelligence chiefs, media moghuls, politicians, captains of industry, banking of course as well as various bloodline families with their hooks into all the above. That deep state is ALWAYS there regardless of who we vote in

Its like that lenin quote about the state being like a car that doesn't go where you steer it. The car is steered by powerful interests and the politicians are middle managers at best. Those powerful interests expend a lot of energy getting dirt and blackmail material on politicians so that they can force them to behave how they want them to which is a large part of what all the pedophile scandals are about

Its like john perkins says they bribe people and if that fails they threaten them and if that fails they dispose of them either by destroying their character in the media or by physically assassinating them and it's the same in the US

So people who keep looking at ways to tweak the system and saying ''we just need to get the oligarchs to have their own party''...that's just not how it works. The wolf never comes as itself...it comes in sheeps clothing. As Icke says politicians don't change the system, the system changes them

We have to stop giving away all of our power to politicians like trump or clinton or sanders or corbyn or cameron or any of them. We have to start the hard work of making grass roots changes to our own individual lives but coordinateing it in such a way that large numbers of people do the same things that then implement change. This requires organisation

People looking for politicians to change things are just banging their heads against a brick wall hoping for some sort of response. The system is designed to prevent change in favour of the people so the people have to start making the changes themselves...but no one wants to hear that
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Old 29-05-2016, 08:25 PM   #33
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I'm under no illusion that splintering parties will solve anything.

Very few have spoken about the deep state as much as I have.

There aren't any quick fixes, that doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything.

Discrediting Republicans and Democrats and splintering both parties whilst creating new parties is better than the 2 party monopoly no ?

What is perhaps more important than putting anybody particular in power is putting certain issues into the public consciousness.

Trump brought up TTP and trade policies, yet he makes his Trump clothing line in China. Obama also brought up these things.

IMO these are major issues that political candidates need to raise awareness to and make mainstream.

1. The existence of the deep state (oligarchs, bankers, intelligence operatives)
2. 911 & false flag terror (covert funding of ISIS & AQ)
3. Money in politics
4. Anti austerity anti neoliberalism
5. Massive cutback in military spending & withdraw from military bases worldwide.
6. Massive regulation of banks, charge them everything plus interest for the bailouts.
7. Nationalize the federal Reserve and wipe out all debts of ordinary citizens
8. Nationalize oil and mining industries.
9. Raising minimum wages.
10. Reduce speculation on wall street and implement heavy taxes on speculation.

That's just off the top of my head.

Also the idea of direct democracy as opposed to representative democracy needs to be raised. With the social media age and the Internet there is no reason that ordinary people cannot be more involved in voting for bills and decision making.

They can kill one person but they cannot kill the idea of direct democracy if we keep putting this issue before them.

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IMO these are major issues that political candidates need to raise awareness to and make mainstream.
who's going to do that though? people are so invested in a stand off between clinton and trump that neither side will blink and vote for something different like the pirate party. But even then we are giving power away again....we have to keep bringing it back to ourselves and asking what should we all be doing as individuals?

There are many great ideas out there of what we could do to improve things....but the entire public arena is filled up by the corporate network with their political circus. We have to start pushing dialogue about the ideas in your list there and more besides. We have to build a momentum and take the intitiative off the corporate network

we have NEVER been in a better position to do this because now through the internet we have our own platform and don't need to rely on the mainstream media which manages peoples perceptions into a carefully stage-managed box to keep them all divided and distracted
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this one from trump should certainly raise a few eyebrows...

Donald Trump's wild idea about dealing with debt may be here sooner than you'd think
by Peter Spence, Economics Correspondent
28 May 2016 • 4:25pm

Donald Trump, the Republican party’s nominee, has claimed that the US national debt, standing at more than $19 trillion (£13 trillion), does not need to be repaid. “This is the United States government, you never have to default, because you print the money,” he declared live on air. His comments signal his belief that America’s authorities, could, if they wanted, print enough money to pay back their creditors without raising an extra cent in taxes. To many, Trump’s comments were startling. Yet, those familiar with the gyrations of central banks know that they contained more than a grain of truth.

The notion of helicopter money – having a central bank issue new money to pay for government spending – could also be used to finance the US deficit, and eventually, to fund a budget surplus that could pay down the national debt. This idea – often associated with economic basket cases such as Venezuela and Zimbabwe – has until now been left untested in the modern era.

It may get such a trial next month, when Japanese policymakers meet to discuss their next salvo against deflation in June. Japan’s central bank, which has already experimented with mass quantitative easing and negative interest rates, is viewed as being on the cutting edge when it comes to unleashing monetary stimulus....

...The lower rates go, the more tempting it will be for households to take their money out of banks, a privilege they may have to pay for, and instead decide to hoard it. That is unless governments choose to take extreme steps, like abolishing cash, in order to deal with the side effects. Policymakers are looking for other options, and helicopter money, an idea popularised by Milton Friedman, the Nobel prize-winning economist, has come back onto the scene.

read more here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...-be-here-soon/
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Trump changes his views based on who he wants to pander to. He isn't honest about anything.

He stated earlier the 19 trillion dollar debt would be paid off in 8 years, now it doesn't have to be paid off at all.

He's talking out his ass. Did Kissinger tell him to say that ?

Or was it the Goldman Sachs exec he hired ?

He is full of shit. Like claiming to bring back American jobs while manufacturing Trump ties in China.

Didn't he claim he wouldn't take any money for his campaign. That was a lie.

The guy has zero credibility.

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Trump changes his views based on who he wants to pander to. He isn't honest about anything.

He stated earlier the 19 trillion dollar debt would be paid off in 8 years, now it doesn't have to be paid off at all.

He's talking out his ass. Did Kissinger tell him to say that ?

Or was it the Goldman Sachs exec he hired ?

He is full of shit. Like claiming to bring back American jobs while manufacturing Trump ties in China.
their ponzi scheme is entering a new phase!

but they can just roll it all up into IMF 'special drawing rights' and keep the whole circus on the road for a while yet
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