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The body reported to have been found in woodland, thought to be of Jed Cameron Allen, is reported to have been found hanging:

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'I've done something bad': The chilling last text sent by triple murderer 'Wolverine' when he killed his mother, stepfather and six-year-old sister - as he is found hanging in Oxford woodland

Police confirmed body believed to be of Jed Allen was found this afternoon

Members of the public found body in woodland in Oxford just before 5pm

21-year-old was wanted over the death of his family in Didcot, Oxfordshire

Knife found near bodies of Philip Howard, Janet Jordon and Derin Jordon

Allen admitted he was 'lonely' 'sad' and 'fed up of being treated like dirt'

By Martin Robinson and Emma Glanfield for MailOnline and Arthur Martin and Sara Smyth and Claire Ellicott and Rosie Taylor for the Daily Mail

Published: 11:57, 25 May 2015 | Updated: 07:01, 26 May 2015


The 21-year-old former Oxford University groundsman who murdered three members of his family sent a chilling last text message claiming he had 'done something bad' before hanging himself in Oxford woodland, it has emerged.

Bodybuilder Jed Allen, who went on the run after killing his half-sister Derin, six, his mother Janet Jordon, 48, and her boyfriend Philip Howard, 44, in Didcot, Oxfordshire, also made a 'goodbye' phone call to his best friend before he was found dead.

More than 100 officers were deployed to search the Oxford University Parks - where Allen worked as a groundsman – after police last saw him on CCTV buying a bottle of water from WH Smith and walking towards the city centre.

In a press conference this evening, Thames Valley Police confirmed that a body had been found by members of the public less than one mile from the University Parks and said officers were no longer looking for anyone else in connection with the murders.

Allen, who was obsessed with the X-Men comic-book hero Wolverine, had been involved with the police in the past but detectives have not yet revealed what for or if he had a criminal record.

It emerged tonight that he phoned his best friend Jordan Dee to say goodbye before going on the run and sent a 'deeply personal' text message to seven friends saying ‘I’ve done something bad’, before asking them to call the police.

Relatives were too upset to talk last night and one would only say: ‘There is a lot of bad feeling at the moment.’

Mr Dee’s father Robert told the Mail that his son was probably the last person Allen spoke to before going on the run.

The 63-year-old gas engineer said: ‘Jordan reckons it was Jed saying cheerio to all his mates. He told me, “Dad, I think Jed was saying goodbye.”’

Mr Dee said Allen had felt ‘lonely and unloved’ because of a troubled upbringing with an alcoholic mother.

The family went through massive upheaval when Allen’s two younger siblings were taken into care. But when Miss Jordon gave birth to Derin, she was allowed to keep her child, he said.

Mr Dee said Allen struggled to find work when he left school, feeling like he was ‘treated like nothing’. He said: ‘It showed up in Jed. You can only sit around and play so many computer games, can’t you?’

One friend revealed that Allen sent a lengthy text message to seven friends just before his death in which he asked them to call police.

The friend told The Sun: 'Jed texted seven of us. It was a long message but it told us that he had done something bad and asked us to call the police.

'It was a deeply personal message. The full contents of that text shouldn't be revealed now.'

The revelation comes just hours after police confirmed Allen had been found dead in a wooded area in Oxford.

Speaking at Thames Valley Police headquarters, Detective Superintendent Chris Ward confirmed that two members of the public had stumbled across a body just before 5pm.

He said: ‘Members of the public reported finding the body of a man in a wooded area in Oxford.

'This is an area that had not previously been searched by police as a result of this investigation.

‘While no formal identification has yet taken police, I am satisfied that this is the body of Jed Allen who I previously named as a suspect in this investigation.

‘Members of all of the victims' families have been informed and they are being supported by specially-trained officers.

‘While the investigation into this murder will continue, I am not seeking anyone else in connection with this offence.

‘I would like to offer by condolences to all of the families of the victims in this tragic case.

‘I’d also like to thank the residents of Didcot and Oxford for their patience and understanding.’

A large area around the woods remained cordoned off tonight, with police tape surrounding fields close to where the 21-year-old is believed to have killed himself.

The wooded area in which his body was found is popular with dog walkers and families and some residents questioned tonight why the discovery had not been made sooner.

One resident, Mark Radford, told Sky News: ‘It’s just normal joggers and people walking their dogs that go around here.

‘It’s quite shocking. He’s travelled some way to get from Didcot to here. Why wasn’t he caught beforehand? Why didn’t they catch him yesterday? He must have been in there.’

Earlier today, police released CCTV footage of Allen casually buying a large bottle of water in the hours before his family were stabbed to death.

It came after detectives confirmed they had found the murder weapon near their bodies and revealed Allen was last seen in a WH Smith at Oxford railway station just two hours before his family members were brutally killed.

The gardener was a depressed knife-obsessive who struggled with his mother's alcoholism and could not 'understand' why she and his father had split up.

His body was found by members of the public despite more than 100 police, including armed officers, scouring the Oxfordshire woodland in the last 24 hours in a bid to locate him.

The huge manhunt came after the bodies of the three members of his family were discovered with knife wounds at their home in Didcot, Oxfordshire, at 8.30pm on Saturday.

Police believe Allen may have killed them in the afternoon before walking five minutes to Didcot station to catch a train to Oxford at 5.24pm. He was then captured on CCTV buying a bottle of water before walking to the city centre parks at 6pm.

Officers centred their search on the Oxford University Parks, but Allen's body was discovered less than a mile away in Marston Ferry Road - just yards away from the city's Oxford Brookes University.

In recent months, Allen posted videos and posts online expressing anger about his life and how he was 'fed up of being treated like dirt' at work and by women.

He made dozens of short films in the past year and in one he screams wildly into the camera and says: 'This is a mad house. I can't take it any more'.

The groundsman also photographed himself brandishing knives, an axe and a knuckleduster and friends said he could explode into uncontrollable rages and had punched holes in walls at home.

In one photo, he was seen with blades between his clenched fingers like the Marvel comic superhero Wolverine in the X-Men films.

Miss Jordon's former landlady spoke of the close bond between Allen and his mother – but said his troubled upbringing was tarnished by her addiction to alcohol.

Jane Ilott, 68, said: 'I didn't know Jed as a 6ft man, I know him as a little fella who was really struggling. 'He absolutely loved his mum and she him, but she didn't know... drink was Jan's real love but she did love Jed.'

Describing Miss Jordon as 'beautiful', Mrs Ilott added: 'She wasn't a bad woman, she was just an alcoholic.'

Meanwhile, a former soldier who had a four-year relationship with Miss Jordon from 2001 described her as ‘the best mum and the devil in disguise at the same time’.

Mark Cane, 44, said: ‘Because of her problems with alcohol she was a Jekyll and Hyde figure.

‘When she had things under control she was up in the morning, sending Jed off to school, being a normal, loving mother.

‘But then she would get drunk and threaten to take her own life. Jed saw a lot of dysfunction, I imagine he snapped with his mother and couldn’t take her any more. But I’ll never understand why he killed his little sister.’

Neighbours suggested that Allen – who had a distinctive spider tattoo on his left hand - had been struggling to come to terms with the break-up of his biological parents' relationship and often appeared sullen and introverted.

One said that he could not 'understand' why they had not stayed together.

Social media appeared to be a way for Allen to admit his frailties and anger with the world.

He told friends recently that his life was going 'backwards' and he was 'depressed, 'lonely' and 'sad' because he was 'fed up of girls treating me poorly'.

In a caption accompanying one of his his many selfies he wrote: 'I don't know what I am anymore'.

In others he sang his favourite songs and, on one film in his car, he wrote afterwards: 'When I was happy'.

In one of the more sinister films he secretly recorded his colleagues talking over lunch as he looked angrily into the camera.

On his Facebook page he wrote about how his job had 'turned sour already' and that he was 'fed up of being treated like dirt'.

In another, he wrote: 'I've decided there is no time of day that I function well.'

'Whoever doesn't like me just remove me from your lives so I can put you out of my misery. You know who you are.' And two weeks earlier the former Oxford University groundsman wrote: 'Works (sic) turned sour already. Fed up of being treated like dirt.'

His father remains under police protection in his family home today and has refused to comment on his son's death.

Allen's hero was the Marvel character Wolverine and he photographed himself with three blades between his fingers to mimic the superhero from the Marvel comic books and X-Men films.

Elsewhere online, he posted numerous pictures of the character and was even given a Wolverine-inspired 21st birthday cake.

He even had the same haircut as the character and admitted to friends in one social media post: 'I should have been Wolverine'.

Another picture showed his right hand, emblazoned with a scorpion tattoo, clutching a ten-inch hunting knife. He also had a large spider tattoo on his left hand and a tattoo of a growling bear on his chest.

Last night, armed police and officers with sniffer dogs closed and began searching the Oxford University parkland where the stocky and tattooed bodybuilder once worked as a gardener.

The teams could be seen combing the bushes and flower beds for clues to the 21-year-old's whereabouts.

However, the 70-acre area in the city was open to the public this morning, despite being guarded by Thames Valley officers.

Specialist police search squads were still in there searching for the wanted man - but his body was found less than a mile away in woodland off a residential road by two members of the public just before 5pm.

It came less than 24 hours after Allen's family pleaded with him to hand himself over to police, 36 hours after he disappeared.

Last night, a cousin of Allen described his family's profound shock at the brutal murders he supposedly carried out.

Tyler Clarke begged the killer to give himself up to police, adding: 'No-one can believe what happened'.

He told The Sun: 'The first thing I knew about it was when I saw it on the news. We just want to know why. But only Jed knows what's happened.

'If we could send a message to Jed it would be "give yourself up".'

His plea came as tributes poured in for victims Philip Howard, 44, Janet Jordon, 48, and Derin Jordon. Friends and well-wishers visited the crime scene where they placed flowers and tributes.

One handwritten note read: 'You are my family and always will be.

'I will miss you all each day. You have all left a massive void in my heart which will never be filled. I love you all so much, Jan, Phil and my Dezzy Doo.'

Others left photos showing Janet and Phil playing with Derin.

Neighbours described Derin as a 'lovely little girl' and said they often saw her on her bicycle on her way to school with her mother by her side.

One, Sheila Welch, said: 'They are new neighbours and had only been here a couple of months. They were a lovely mother and a little girl. They always looked so happy.'

Another former neighbour said Derin was often seen cycling with her mother.

The man, who did not want to be named, said: 'She was really nice, she used to smile and say 'hello' when she saw you in the street.'

Today, shocked friends flocked to Derin's to pay tribute to her as her headteacher threw open the doors to welcome friends and well-wishers to pay tribute to the little girl, known affectionately as Dezzy.

Children came to school during half term to light a candle for the six-year-old and also drew pictures of flowers.

Headteacher John Myers said: 'People are shocked, devastated, sad, what you would expect.

'It was such a shock, it was hard to believe at first. To lose any life is awful, to lose a little child is doubly so, but the nature and manner of the loss is hard to take and comprehend.'

Dezzy was about to finish Year 1, having been at the school since nursery and Mr Myers paid tribute to a beautiful and precious little girl.

'She was a beautiful little girl, pretty, smiley, gentle, precious,' he added. She was a wonderful character, very very lovely.'

Allen lived with his 48-year-old mother Janet Jordon, Philip Howard, 44, and their daughter Derin Jordon at a £300,000 council house in Didcot.

The bodies were discovered there on Saturday at 8.20pm after police were tipped off that something was wrong by a neighbour.

Forensic officers have spent the last two days combing the property and could be seen carrying evidence bags out of the house today. Although post-mortem examinations are yet to be carried out, police revealed the likely cause of death of the victims was stab wounds. They have not yet confirmed how Allen died.

Allen's family had only moved to their semi-detached property two months ago from a smaller home a mile away.

Former neighbour Rizi Marina, 25, described Allen as a 'silent' type who often had a gym bag slung over his shoulder.

The IT consultant said: 'He was quite silent. He just said hi every time we saw him. Initially it was just the little girl living with the family, then the son came as well. We often saw him with a gym bag. He was a big guy.'

Families with young children could be seen visiting the school, where they could light candles, talk and leave tributes to jan, Dezzy and Philip.

One parent, whose daughter went to school with Dezzy, said she was a lovely, innocent little girl.

'She was just a lovely six-year-old girl. She was just completely innocent.

'People do horrible things to each other, but kids don't know. They can't process it.

'They know obviously she is not coming back to school but we don't talk about the details. They can't understand that and shouldn't have to.'

Rainbow ribbons had been tied around lampost near the school, red or purple for Jan, pink for Dezzy and blue for Philip. Flowers have been left at the school and the scene of the murder in Vicarage Road.

Allen's biological father Dave Allen lives half an hour away from the family home in Woodstock, near Blenheim Palace. His home has been put under police guard.

Thames Valley Police yesterday released a picture of Allen showing off the distinctive spider tattoo on his left hand in the hope it might aid the search for him.

'I CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE,' RAGED TRIPLE MURDERER BEFORE KILLINGS

Triple killer Jed Allen screamed that he couldn’t ‘take any more’ in a disturbing video posted online just months ago.

In an outburst that appeared to show just how close he was to the edge, the 21-year-old declared he was living in a ‘mad house’.

The chilling footage emerged yesterday with details of the troubled family life that would send Allen into turmoil – and end with him slaughtering three members of his family.

The young man who modelled himself on the X-Men character Wolverine was said to have suffered the breakdown of his parents’ marriage, followed by another traumatic period living with his alcoholic mother and a series of boyfriends.

Things were so bad that his two younger siblings were removed from the family home by social services. As the years passed and his mother Janet moved on to yet another relationship – this time with the man he would ultimately end up murdering – Allen became increasingly unhinged.

His rambling posts on social network pages give a chilling insight into his tortured mind.

Among the pictures of protein bars and muscular film characters, the gym-obsessed former Oxford University gardener uploaded images of weapons including a knife and an axe.

Friends also told of his love for ‘Screamo’ – an aggressive version of goth-type music – and how he would sink into depression at the thought of his unhappy family home life. He also withdrew into a virtual world, spending his life playing violent computer games and regularly posting pictures on his Instagram page.

A film fanatic, he would write about how he aspired to be a movie villain, such as Bane from Batman film The Dark Knight Rises. But his favourite character was Wolverine, the X-Men character who he styled himself on – growing his sideburns long and posing with a set of razor ‘claws’ and ‘wolf’ slippers.

Using the internet as a vessel in which to pour out his inner feelings, the bodybuilder would say things like ‘damaged people are dangerous because they know they can survive’.

And he posted a link to the film Stuart: A Life Backwards about a homeless alcoholic who experienced a traumatic event in his childhood, writing: ‘Pretty sure this is where my life is going.’

The family’s former landlady and next-door neighbour Jane Ilott, 68, said: ‘Nobody knows what Jed went through. He was one of those vulnerable little souls and such a nice little lad.’

She added: ‘His only problem was his mother – and her problem was alcohol – but he loved his mum ever so much. He would ring and say, “I’m frightened, mum’s drunk again and I’m worried about the babies but don’t tell mum I rang because she will be cross with me.”’ She described him as ‘stressed’ and ‘tense’, adding: ‘He was just a little boy having to be a man: trying to keep secrets, trying to look after his little brother and sister and then they were taken away from him.’

Former Sainsbury’s delicatessen worker Miss Jordon was said to be a ‘lovely lady’ who adored Grease the musical but battled with alcoholism and an eating disorder.

Her two middle children, born between Jed and Derin to different partners, were taken into care when they were still pre-school age in around 2006.

She was allegedly banned from driving after being caught drunk at the wheel with her young children in around 2004.

Friends said Miss Jordon was ‘loved’ by her family who did what they could to help her with her problems. In a desperately sad note, written around 2006 and seen by the Mail, her mother Heather apologises to her daughter’s neighbours for her behaviour when drunk.

She writes: ‘I am absolutely gobsmacked by her and ashamed. She was way out of order making a spectacle of herself and I am so sorry... I will talk to her yet again and hope that one time I’ll get through.’ Robert Dee, the father of Allen’s best friend Jordan, claimed the killer had been mentally and physically abused as a child. He said the removal of his young brother and sister into foster homes was something he never got over. ‘Jed didn’t have the easiest childhood,’ said the 63-year-old.

To escape his unhappy life, Allen found solace in the gym and the angry music known as ‘Screamo’. The genre is similar to another hardcore punk style called Powerviolence and bands have names such as Heroin. A friend who asked not to be named said: ‘He hung out with the skateboarding crew and listened to Screamo.

‘He used to call me to tell me that he was having a bad day. He struggled with his parents splitting up, like any of us would. If he was having a bad day, he would just want to sit on his own and not be interrupted by his parents.’

THE LAST KNOWN STEPS OF WOLVERINE FUGITIVE JED ALLEN

Police revealed the final sighting of suspected killer Jed Allen just hours before his body was found in woodland in Oxford. Here are his last known movements:

Saturday May 23

5.24pm - Jed Allen is believed to board a train leaving Didcot.

5.45pm - He arrives in Oxford.

6pm - Allen is captured on CCTV at the WHSmith store at Oxford railway station just before 6pm.

8.23pm - Thames Valley Police are called to an address in Vicarage Road by a member of the public. They attend the property and find the bodies of Philip Howard, 44, Janet Jordon, 48, and daughter Derin, six. They are pronounced dead at the scene.

Sunday May 24

10.55am - Detectives reveal they are hunting a man called Jed Allen, 21, in connection with the killings.

Monday May 25

1.13pm - Police release CCTV footage of Allen in a bid to raise awareness of the search. Anyone who sees him is told to call 999.

Just before 5pm - Police confirm two members of the public discover body of a man - believed to be Jed Allen - in wooded area in Oxford. Officers confirm they are no longer looking for anyone in connection with the murders of his family members.




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Old 26-05-2015, 11:21 AM   #22
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The Wolverine film / movie and "the Wolverine" Didcot Murders


The date relationship post for the "Wolverine" Didcot Murders on 23 May 2015 has been updated with, among others, this:

The Facebook links below might only work with a Facebook login ?


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On Jed Cameron Allen's Facebook page, he lists the film "The Wolverine" as one of his favourites:

The Facebook page for the film, "The Wolverine" shows the release date as 26 July 2013

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About

Starring: Hugh Jackman, Will Yun Lee

Genre: Action

Directed By: James Mangold

Release Date: July 26, 2013

http://bitly.com/1h6tp4R

The film database, IMDB shows the release date of "The Wolverine" as 26 July 2013 for the USA and other countries.


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From the USA release date of "The Wolverine" on 26 July 2013 to the "Wolverine" Didcot Murders on 23 May 2015 is:

= 666 days




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Thames Valley Police

Sunday 24 May 2015, 11:02am

Update - Murder investigation launched - Didcot


"Thames Valley Police is releasing an image of a man wanted in connection with three murders in Didcot.

The Force was called to an address in Vicarage Road by a member of the public at 8.23pm yesterday (23/3).

Police officers attended the scene and three bodies were found inside the property.

A 44-year-old man, a 48-year-old woman and a six-year-old girl were pronounced dead by ambulance staff at the scene.

The deceased are yet to be identified at this time.

Further, cause of deaths will not be established until post mortems have taken place. The post mortems are likely to take place today (24/5).

At this time no arrests have been made.

Thames Valley Police is releasing an image of Jed Allen, aged 21, who is wanted in connection with the murders.

Police believe that Jed Allen is related to the victims.

Investigating officer, Det Supt Chris Ward, head of the Thames Valley Police Major Crime Unit, said: “Thames Valley Police is releasing an image of a man wanted in connection with three murders in Didcot yesterday (23/5).

“The image is of Jed Allen, aged 21. We believe that Jed Allen is related to the victims and that this was a domestic incident.

“Jed is white, about 6ft, of stocky build, and has a distinctive tattoo of a spider on his left hand.

“If you see Jed please do not approach him, instead call 999 immediately."



It always amazes me how they insist on calling a suspected multiple murderer by his/her first name, as if it were some harmless old relative or acquaintance, that's gone a bit doolally, or haywire and needs their meds.
They did it constantly in a documentary about Fred West on channel 4 a few years ago, to the point where it was almost comical to listen to.
Surely Mr. (insert name) would be more appropriate?? anyway..

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The body reported to have been found in woodland, thought to be of Jed Cameron Allen, is reported to have been found hanging:






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From Thames Valley report earlier;

"Mr Ward said though the body found in Marston Road, Oxford, had not been formally identified, he was satisfied it was Jed Allen.

He said: "The body was discovered in an area of woodland accessible by two members of the public. This area had not previously been searched by police."

So is the suggestion that this was private ground then?? Or a cornered off area with restricted access?

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How convenient Jed Allen is found dead. This means no trial will take place where lawyers can defend the accused. Just like the Derrick Bird case it will be ran as an inquest where nobody other than the coroner will decide what evidence the jury see. The police immediately state that they are not looking for anyone else in connection with the murders. They know all three murders were done by Allen even though nobody has had the chance to even question him. In cases like this where an alleged perpetrator is killed, there should be a trial AND an inquest. I'd be interested to learn about his step father and mother and whether there were motives by third parties to murder them. The guy walks into a shop and buys a bottle of water just before the bodies were found on Saturday, with seemingly no signs he has murdered anyone, then is found dead a few days later in a wooded area. How the hell can the Police be 100% sure now, before ANY investigation that another person is not involved?????
Good post. Personally I'm more interested in the biological father than the step father, the one living near Blenheim palace, under police protection. (interesting surname, Allen)
Also wondering if the 'X men' stuff refers to a type of programme.

"A film fanatic, he would write about how he aspired to be a movie villain, such as Bane from Batman film The Dark Knight Rises. But his favourite character was Wolverine, the X-Men character who he styled himself on – growing his sideburns long and posing with a set of razor ‘claws’ and ‘wolf’ slippers.

Using the internet as a vessel in which to pour out his inner feelings, the bodybuilder would say things like ‘damaged people are dangerous because they know they can survive’.

And he posted a link to the film Stuart: A Life Backwards about a homeless alcoholic who experienced a traumatic event in his childhood, writing: ‘Pretty sure this is where my life is going.’

NB. Also of interest (to me), is that the mother, Janet has already been character assassinated by the press, as a 'troubled depressive alcoholic with a string of boyfriends' of course, the unfortunate woman is unable to defend herself, and noone has a clue, what could have made her that way, and yet her youngest daughter was described as a happy, outgoing contented child by all. And by contrast, we have diddly squat on the biological father, with whom she was still in a relationship with, when the middle siblings were taken into care. Hmmm.

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We Need to Talk About Kevin.

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Good post. Personally I'm more interested in the biological father than the step father, the one living near Blenheim palace, under police protection. (interesting surname, Allen)
Also wondering if the 'X men' stuff refers to a type of programme.

"A film fanatic, he would write about how he aspired to be a movie villain, such as Bane from Batman film The Dark Knight Rises. But his favourite character was Wolverine, the X-Men character who he styled himself on – growing his sideburns long and posing with a set of razor ‘claws’ and ‘wolf’ slippers.

Using the internet as a vessel in which to pour out his inner feelings, the bodybuilder would say things like ‘damaged people are dangerous because they know they can survive’.

And he posted a link to the film Stuart: A Life Backwards about a homeless alcoholic who experienced a traumatic event in his childhood, writing: ‘Pretty sure this is where my life is going.’

NB. Also of interest (to me), is that the mother, Janet has already been character assassinated by the press, as a 'troubled depressive alcoholic with a string of boyfriends' of course, the unfortunate woman is unable to defend herself, and noone has a clue, what could have made her that way, and yet her youngest daughter was described as a happy, outgoing contented child by all. And by contrast, we have diddly squat on the biological father, with whom she was still in a relationship with, when the middle siblings were taken into care. Hmmm.

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Re: film memes: another is:

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IMDB: We Need to Talk Aout Kevin


Kevin's mother struggles to love her strange child, despite the increasingly vicious things he says and does as he grows up. But Kevin is just getting started, and his final act will be beyond anything anyone imagined.

And, as luck would have it. It's on UK BBC4 tonight at 9pm:

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A mother leads an isolated life after her teenage son commits a terrible crime.

Tormented with guilt and grief, she begins to pick apart the key events of his childhood, trying to work out if she ever truly loved him, and if she is responsible for turning him into a monster.

BBC4

9:00pm-10:45pm (1 hour 45 minutes)Tue 26 May

(Subtitles) Starts in 24 minutes


This is the "back story" to the Wolverine: Jed Allen event ...

Shades of Family Guy and Robin Williams ...





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The source of the "Jed's mother was an alocoholic" story.

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Good post. Personally I'm more interested in the biological father than the step father, the one living near Blenheim palace, under police protection. (interesting surname, Allen)
Also wondering if the 'X men' stuff refers to a type of programme.

"A film fanatic, he would write about how he aspired to be a movie villain, such as Bane from Batman film The Dark Knight Rises. But his favourite character was Wolverine, the X-Men character who he styled himself on – growing his sideburns long and posing with a set of razor ‘claws’ and ‘wolf’ slippers.

Using the internet as a vessel in which to pour out his inner feelings, the bodybuilder would say things like ‘damaged people are dangerous because they know they can survive’.

And he posted a link to the film Stuart: A Life Backwards about a homeless alcoholic who experienced a traumatic event in his childhood, writing: ‘Pretty sure this is where my life is going.’

NB. Also of interest (to me), is that the mother, Janet has already been character assassinated by the press, as a 'troubled depressive alcoholic with a string of boyfriends' of course, the unfortunate woman is unable to defend herself, and noone has a clue, what could have made her that way, and yet her youngest daughter was described as a happy, outgoing contented child by all. And by contrast, we have diddly squat on the biological father, with whom she was still in a relationship with, when the middle siblings were taken into care. Hmmm.

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Re: the mandatory smear ...

This time, the script provided that the mother of the alleged murderer, Wolverine: Jed Allen, Janet ( Jan ) Jordan, was eventually labelled an aloholic.


The first murmur of "something amiss" with Jan Jordan the mother, was initially attributed to her former landlady, Jane Ilott, 68 from Kidlington, but no specific mention of alocoholism.


Not sure what the turning away visitors who wanted keys is implying.


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Oxford Mail.com - Live blog: Body found in hunt for Jed Allen following murder of family in Didcot

By Jason Collie

Archive - Sunday, 24 May 2015

...


Update 10:00am

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A former landlady of Ms Jordon said that she had known the 48-year-old and Allen when they rented a house from her in Kidlington.

Jane Ilott, 68, said: "I didn't know Jed as a 6ft man, I know him as a little fella who was really struggling."

The pensioner explained that her 48-year-old former tenant was not the kind of person that you got to know well, and that she moved into one of her houses before moving to Didcot.

"He lived with his dad and he was a lovely, lovely boy. He would come down some weekends, he would either be with his nan, who lives in Kidlington, or with his mum.

She continued: "We did far more than a landlord and landlady would have done, we tried to be good neighbours."

Asked if there was a man in Ms Jordon's life when she was living in Kidlington, Mrs Illot said: "I used to get knocks on the door, little disagreements with people knocking on my door and asking for the keys and I would say 'No'.

Adding that she would turn them away even when they claimed that Ms Jordon had said it was ok for them to go in, Mrs Ilott said: "That would be one of many, I'm only being honest. I'm not saying she was a nasty girl because she wasn't, she was a lovely girl with a problem."

...


This soon transformed into the "Jan Jordan was an alcoholic" story along with another, perplexing change:


Quote:
Telegraph - Didcot triple murder: Suspect 'had anger issues and struggled with troubled family life'


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The family's former landlady shed light on Mr Allen's difficult upbringing.

And she claimed that two of Ms Jordon's other children were put up for adoption as a result of her alcoholism.

Jane Ilott, a former mayoress of Kidlington, who rented a property to the Jordon family, told the Telegraph: "She had a problem with drink. She wasn't an aggressive drunk but just wasn't herself.

"Jed would often come round and say to me 'Mummy has been drinking but don't tell her I told you because I will get in trouble'.

"One time my son had to go in through the window because we were at the door and could see her but she wasn't opening it.

"Another time we found her fallen on the patio alongside her baby and we were worried that she had dropped it."

Mrs Ilott said that when the council stopped paying Ms Jordon's rent, she let her live rent-free until she found somewhere else.

She added: "Jed was never unkind, always polite but sometimes tense. He was smiley, tall and very handsome.

"It must have impacted on him when two of Jan's children were adopted.

"He would have had a very difficult time back then. He did seem on edge and a little bit stressed."

Ms Jordon began to rent from the Ilotts in August 2004, moving to another of their properties in October 2005 where they stayed until 2006.

An undated correspondence between Mrs Jordon's mother, Heather Jordon, and Mrs Ilott, seen by the Daily Telegraph, apologises for an incident involving alcohol.

"An apology to you all for Jan's behaviour all round on Tuesday afternoon. I am absolutely gobsmacked by her and ashamed," it says.

"She was way out of order making a spectacle of herself.

"I am so sorry for that particularly as your grandchildren were there."

...

"Jane Ilott, a former mayoress of Kidlington"

Kidlington, Oxfordshire is a large "village" with a Parish Council, within the Cherwell District Council area.

Kidlington, the village, does not have it's own mayor / mayoress.

Cherwell DC HQ offices are in Bodicote, Banbury.

Banbury Town Council elects a mayor.

In 2012/2013 the Mayor of Banbury Town Council was Conservative Councillor, for Banbury Hardwick ward, (Anthony) Tony Ilott, along with his wife, the mayoress, Joan Ilott.

Note: This ex-mayoress of Banbury, not Kidlington, which does not elect a mayor, is Joan not Jane Ilott.

And judging by this photograph of the outgoing, "with a bang", Mayor & Mayoress Tony & Joan Ilott in 2013, she does not appear to be about 2 years off 68 !

Of course, it is possible that the Jane Ilott 68, of the Ilott's of Kidlington, where she and her husband were on the electoral role until 2004, could have sometime been the mayoress for somewhere, but it was not Kidlington.


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Daily Mail: Desperate hunt for 'Wolverine': Police widen search for 21-year-old wanted after mother, six-year-old sister and stepfather were stabbed to death


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Last night, Miss Jordon's former landlady spoke of the close bond between Jed Allen and his mother – but said his troubled upbringing was tarnished by her addiction to alcohol.

Jane Ilott, 68, said: 'I didn't know Jed as a 6ft man, I know him as a little fella who was really struggling. 'He absolutely loved his mum and she him, but she didn't know... drink was Jan's real love but she did love Jed.'

Describing Miss Jordon as 'beautiful', Mrs Ilott added: 'She wasn't a bad woman, she was just an alcoholic.'

The pensioner explained that her former tenant moved into one of her houses in Bicester and Allen would visit.

She added: 'He was a typical teenager who did things in his own time – not necessarily when Jan wanted him to.



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David W Allen, Janet D Jordan and Jed cameron Allen


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Good post. Personally I'm more interested in the biological father than the step father, the one living near Blenheim palace, under police protection. (interesting surname, Allen)
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David W Allen married spouse JORDAN in the Ploughley Registration District of Oxon in 1992

Janet D Jordan married spouse ALLEN in the Ploughley Registration District of Oxon in 1992

Jed Cameron Allen was born in Oct / Nov / Dec 1993


No divorce record found for David Allen and Janet ( nee Jordan ).



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BiBiC: Didcot killings: Suspect Jed Allen is victim's son

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Police said the search for Mr Allen, who formerly worked as a university groundskeeper at the park, was "intelligence led".

...


Which is usually interpreted as:


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Wiki: Intelligence-led policing

Intelligence officers serve as guides to operations, rather than operations guiding intelligence.


Spooky.

and which may well explain Det Supt Chris Ward's apparent dissonance ...



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EU meme: Sarkozy & Hollande ?

If there is a possible allusion to the real ex-mayoress, Joan, ( not Jane ) Ilott, of Banbury ( not Kidlington ), then it is also possible that the "source of the alcoholic smear" on Jed Allen's mother, Janet Jordan, is an allegorical reference to the changeover of power in France, pointing to a possible EU / Cameron meme.

Tony Ilott was elected Mayor of Banbury on 15 May 2012.

The same day as the baton was passed, in France, from Sarkozy to Hollande on 15 May 2012.


The film about a mother's alcoholism, turning her son into a monster, We Need to Talk About Kevin, uncannily, shown on BBC4 last night, was generally released in France, on 28 September 2011


28 September 2011 was also the date of the mysterious undergound explosions at Crewe train station


28 September 2011 was also 666 days after the "European project", Lisbon Treaty came into effect (CIF) on 1 December 2009


28 September 2011 was also, 666 months and P666 + P666 days since Heinrich Himmler became Reichsführer-SS on 6 January 1929


28 September 2011 was also an INTerval of 666 days before the US release of The Wolverine on 26 July 2013

and NORMAL = 666 days before the UK release of The Wolverine on 25 July 2013 which was also 666 + 666 days after the "European project", Lisbon Treaty came into effect (CIF) on 1 December 2009


and so therefore, the French release of We Need to Talk About Kevin on 28 September 2011 is an INTerval of 666 + 666 days before The Wolverine: Didcot Murders on 23 May 2015.


Note: 2x 666 days = 1332 which also yields, the oft used and seemingly, preferred trio of triple 4's, thus:

1332 days = 444 + 444 + 444 days



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See here for the 444 444 444 pattern from the Jihad to 9/11

See here for the 444 444 444 pattern from GHW Bush to 9/11

the latter, derived from the Prime Ordinal of 3119 = P444


The abundant 3119 motif also defines the relationship between, UK PM, David Cameron, vetoing the new EU treaty on 8 December 2011 and the UK general release of The Wolverine on 25 July 2013 - the film which Jed Cameron Allen is said to have been obsessed with:

= 595 days = P3 x 119 >3119


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The Guardian: David Cameron blocks EU treaty with veto, casting Britain adrift in Europe

... the first time since Britain joined the European Community in 1973, a treaty that goes to the heart of how the EU works will be struck without a British signature.


See also: "European Project:" Treaty of Lisbon CIF on 1 December 2009 to The Wolverine: Didcot Murders on 23 May 2015

= 666 + 666 + 666 days





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The Mirror: Jed Allen: 'Wolverine' killer was driven to murder by a terrible secret in his family

22:30, 26 May 2015

By Andy Lines

Jed Allen: There was a terrible secret within his family

A dark family secret drove Wolverine killer Jed Allen to knife three relatives to death, his friends believe.

The troubled 21-year-old council groundsman had told his close pals about the “desperate situation” over a pizza earlier this month.

One friend said: “This was a very dysfunctional family and there were many, many problems. There was a particular specific issue which drove Jed to this.

“It was a desperate situation. But nothing can justify the course of action he took.”

Allen had tried to swear his friends to secrecy over his family situation and sent texts to seven of them hours before killing himself.

In one he admitted that he had done a “bad thing”.


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[ Video: Didcot Killings: Suspect Jed Allen's recent social posts ]

[ 18 january 2015 - "It's a mad house", Queen, Bohemian Rhapsody: "Is this the real life / Is this just fantasy / No escape from reality" ]

[ 18 January 2015 - "I'm gonna kill you." ]

[ 11 December 2014 - "Right then let's get some work done. Ah jeez, I f**ked up." ]

[ 5 December 2014 - rap music in car ]


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One friend of Allen’s said on Facebook: “Any close friend of Jed’s will tell you that this is totally out of character and that these things never happen without a reason behind them!”

Thames Valley Police said they were not in a position to discuss the possible family motive for the murders.

Allen’s tattooed body was found in woods in north Oxford on Monday.

His alcoholic mother Jan Jordon, 48, her partner Philip Howard, 44, and his six-year-old half-sister Derin were stabbed to death on Saturday at their home in Didcot.

Police took a bloodied knife from the scene and are not looking for anyone else in connection with the killings.

Despite outrage over the murders, some of Allen’s friends have taken to social media to defend him.

Jed Allen: The 21-year-old had told close pals of a "desperate situation"

Frae Elford said: “Jed’s one of the kindest, sweetest guys I know.”

Kira Choat posted: “RIP Jed, you were an amazing friend. You always put others first.

"You were there for everyone no matter what and you were a truly amazing guy.

“No matter what anyone says we will remember you for being the most happy and loveliest guy, you will be missed.”

Another pal Steve Dossett wrote: “All I can think of is the day you and your mum joined me for coffee not so long ago.

“I know things were off then but I knew just how much you adored her too. This is all so very wrong .”

Hours before he killed his family, Allen was in the Royal Oak pub – about a mile from their home.

One local said: “He wasn’t a big drinker at all. He just drank some lagers and left early evening.

"As usual he was no trouble at all. He never caused any problems.”

Throughout the town of Didcot, locals pinned colourful ribbons to lamp-posts in memory of the dead.

But many people there, horrified at the murders, called for Allen to “rot in hell”.

One, Sarah Phillips, said: “No excuse in the world for killing someone, especially family.”

Postmortem results should be revealed tomorrow.

But police have said they believe all three died from stab wounds.

Allen was a bodybuilding enthusiast, who was obsessed with the X-Men character Wolverine.

Several photos on an online account show him posing with blades between his fingers, imitating the Marvel comic hero’s razor claws.

In one Instagram shot, he glares menacingly, while wielding an axe.

In another, he shows off a large hunting-style knife with the caption “today’s purchases”.

Allen told friends he felt his life was going backwards and that he was depressed.

Jed Allen: There was a terrible secret within his family

He also claimed he was treated like dirt at work and by women.

He is thought to have fled the murder scene and boarded a train to Oxford, sending his last texts to friends after arriving around 6pm, two hours before the three bodies were found

It was thought he then strolled to Oxford University Parks, where he used to work as a groundskeeper.

He was found in the Marston Road area of the city at 5pm on Monday.




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The guy openly advertised his fetish with knives on social media sites, was ego-fixated enough to want to be a bodybuilder, or at least have a similar physique, and had family issues. It hardly seems a massive leap to make him the number one suspect, nor for the man to have killed himself after such horrific acts.
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The guy openly advertised his fetish with knives on social media sites, was ego-fixated enough to want to be a bodybuilder, or at least have a similar physique, and had family issues. It hardly seems a massive leap to make him the number one suspect, nor for the man to have killed himself after such horrific acts.

Which makes for a very sound argument in favour of the judicial process, the rules of evidence, trial by jury not by the media or Facebook / Instagram "photographs" and, dare I suggest, the screening of all potential jurors for minimum requirements in cognitive ability ...


So, if anyone risks having to rely on those outdated, old-fashioned, anachronistic principles, they had better hurry up, because they are, evidently, in rapid decline ...


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Whilst not forgetting, according to the narrative, "The Facebook Wolverine" clearly planned the murder of his mother, six year old sister and step father, to take place on the very day that marked:

666 days from the release of the very film, with which he is reported to have been obsessed ...

which, for those who prefer their codes raw, is:

666 = 6+6+6 lots of Zion

> 666 666 666



I wonder why the police and media have not spoonfed their suppliant audience, that ickle factoid ...



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23 May 2014 - Isla Vista killings


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On May 23, 2014, spree killer Elliot Rodger killed six people and injured fourteen others[1] in Isla Vista, California, near the campus of University of California, Santa Barbara, before committing suicide.[2][3]

The attack began when 22-year-old Rodger stabbed to death three men in his apartment.

Afterwards, he drove to a sorority house and shot three female students outside, killing two. He drove to a nearby delicatessen and shot to death a male student who was inside, and then began to speed through Isla Vista, shooting and wounding several pedestrians and striking seven others with his car.[1] Rodger exchanged gunfire with police twice during the attack, receiving a non-fatal gunshot to the hip.[3] The rampage ended when his car crashed into a parked vehicle and came to a stop. Police found him dead in the car with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.[4][5][6]

Before driving to the sorority house, Rodger uploaded a video to YouTube, titled "Elliot Rodger's Retribution", in which he outlined details of his upcoming attack and its motivations, which he described as a desire to punish women for rejecting him and also a desire to punish sexually active men for living a more enjoyable life than his.[7] YouTube removed the video after the killings, saying it violated their guidelines with its threats of violence,[8][9] although re-posted copies could still be viewed on the website.[10][11]

After uploading the video, Rodger e-mailed a lengthy autobiographical manuscript to approximately a dozen acquaintances and family members.[12] The document, which he titled "My Twisted World", was made available on the Internet and became widely known as his "manifesto". In it, he describes his childhood, family conflicts, frustration over not being able to find a girlfriend, his hatred of women, his contempt for racial minorities and interracial couples, and his plans for what he described as "retribution".[13][14][15]

...


To "The Facebook Wolverine": Didcot Murders on 23 May 2015 is:

= On the "conventional anniversary" of ...

= 12 moons

= 365 days




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24 May 2014 - Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting


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On 24 May 2014, a gunman opened fire at the Jewish Museum of Belgium in Brussels, Belgium, killing four people. Three died at the scene; a fourth was taken to hospital and died on 6 June.[1] The attack is being investigated as terrorism by Belgian authorities.[2]

On 30 May, Mehdi Nemmouche, a 29-year-old French national of Algerian origin, was arrested at Marseille in connection with the shooting. He is believed to have spent over a year in Syria and had links with radical Islamists [3] and appears to have recorded a video bearing the flag of the rebel group Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.[4]

...

To "The Facebook Wolverine": Didcot Murders on 23 May 2015 is:

INClusive =

= 12 moons


et al ...


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If anyone requires an explanation for the possible compositions of the number 12, then ...


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Way to disrespectfully belittle 3 people's deaths with stupid number games.

EDIT: 4, including Sarah Payne who you've included in your "calculations" for some reason.

Pope Gregory XIII's "calculation" for the "conventional anniversary" of 1 year or 12 months, presumably, is not a "stupid number game" and presumably, is not "disrespectful" to anyone or anything.


Whereas, other alternatives, such as 777 weeks for example, to some folk, for some unknown reason(s), clearly are ...


I had never imagined that numbers or date relationships could be disrespectful or belittling to anyone or anything, but, you learn something new every day.

Hopefully ...



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Social Media murder continuity: Knife murders: Jed Allen and Breck Bednar

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Guardian: Parents of murdered teenager Breck Bednar sue two police forces

Family told Surrey police in December – two months before murder – that they feared their son was being groomed

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Quote:

Wiki: The Murder of Breck Bednar


Breck Bednar was a 14-year-old boy who was murdered on February 17, 2014 in a flat at Rosebery Road in Grays, Essex.[1]

...

Perpetrator

According to BBC News, "Lewis Daynes, 19, of Rosebery Road, Grays, was due to stand trial at Chelmsford Crown Court on a charge of murder but admitted the offence" before the jury was sworn.

Sentencing by Mrs Justice Cox was scheduled for January 12, 2015.

Daynes, a computer engineer, was believed to have met Bednar while playing online video games.[1][2]


Breck Bednar, murdered on his mother's birthday ...


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Independent: Lewis Daynes trial: The internet predator and a PowerPoint presentation that almost proved fatal


A computer engineer who has pleaded guilty to murdering a schoolboy after luring the 14-year-old to his home used the internet to manipulate another teenager into inviting him to live with his family in the US, it is claimed.

“John” was 13 in 2010 when he was chosen by Lewis Daynes – who admitted to killing the British teenager Breck Bednar earlier this week – to work for the server company he established to host games such as Minecraft and Call of Duty.

...


Daynes, 19, showed no emotion when he dramatically changed his plea on the opening day of his trial this week – meaning Breck’s parents, teaching assistant Lorin LaFave, 47, and Barry Bednar, 50, an oil trader, may never know why their son was murdered by the disturbed loner.

However, Daynes’s seeming history of grooming other children on the internet – including John – has now been revealed by Paul Suchko, a 16-year-old in Pittsburgh who was an administrator with Daynes on the killer’s server company, Starfield Hosting Solutions.

...

Tony Neate, chief executive of the Government-sponsored charity Get Safe Online, warned parents of the dangers of the online gaming world. He said: “For parents in particular, there is an element of obliviousness about the online gaming world their children may be entering and the security risks. With online gaming, there are minimal restrictions, meaning anyone with access to a gaming account from anywhere in the world can potentially make contact with other players using that game.

“Due to this mass accessibility, it could be seen as an easy target for predators with sinister motives to make contact with young gamers. Young people must always be on their guard against random friend requests and make sure they protect their identity.”

Daynes will be sentenced in January. Breck’s mother, who has warned of the dangers of online predators, is suing Essex and Surrey Police for the way both forces handled her concerns expressed to them about online grooming relating to her son two months before he was killed. The Essex case has been referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

A day that should have seen Breck return home to celebrate his mother’s birthday turned into one of unmitigated grief for the family, who have set up the Breck Bednar Memorial Fund “to honour our beautiful boy”. Adorning the website are seven pictures of Breck from baby to teenage air cadet. They write: “Breck was extremely gifted in computing, electronics and engineering. We are all in shock and are so grateful for the thoughts and prayers of friends and family.”


Listen to the 999 call:

Telegraph: 'Sadistic' teenage sex killer, who groomed victim on the internet, jailed for life


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The alleged "Facebook / Instagram Wolverine", Jed Allen creates a new Facebook account, the very next day, the same day that Breck Bednar's murder became known:


Quote:

Jed Allen: Facebook:

Jed Allen
February 18, 2014 ·

Yes this is a new account.




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Quote:

From the Nazis: "Night of the Long Knives" starts on 30 June 1934 is:


17 February 2014 = INClusive
18 February 2014 = NORMAL


= 777 months, 777 weeks


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Quote:


17 = P7


From the "new Facebook account" opened in the name of "Jed Allen" on 18 February 2014 to the "Didcot Murders, in the name of Jed Allen" on 23 May 2015 is:

= 459 days

= 3x 3x ( 17 + 17 + 17 ) days

= P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7
+ P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7
+ P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 + P7 days
>


777 777 777
777 777 777
777 777 777


the classic 3 x 3 grid ...





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So, can all this number crunchin solve or stop owt?

I've got 4 nines in my date of birth so am I the upside down devil plus 1?
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Illustrating the past vs predicting the future



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I've got 4 nines in my date of birth so am I the upside down devil plus 1?
A poor attempt at sarcasm I'm sure.

What prompts that reaction ?




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So, can all this number crunchin solve or stop owt?

It helps to solve who is genuinely interested in the reasons behind these events and who pretends to be interested, but who are actually more interested in maintaining the false status quo, deception, lies, disinformation, etc., etc.

It therefore assists wonderfully, with flushing out those who are not interested in truth.

It therefore helps to banish bewilderment and add clarity.

It helps to solve the reasons why events happen when they do and why they do.

It helps to solve who is behind world events.


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As for being able to prevent anything, well, that's the million dollar question is it not ?


Imagine ...


You know when something is going to happen, but not where or what.

It's pre 9/11, so in the days when the stock market reacted ...

There's one angle.

A worldwide awareness of the method ?

Can anyone stop anything happening ?

You tell me ...

Maybe the question misses the point somewhat ...


I have a question:


Can anyone explain to me in simple terms, why predicting the future is much more impressive than explaining, using the same method, why an event has occurred in the past ?





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24 May 2014 - Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting


I had never imagined that numbers or date relationships could be disrespectful or belittling to anyone or anything, but, you learn something new every day.


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Let's hope so.
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Let's hope so.
Ah, you're back.

The poster who accuses date relationships of being disrespectful ...

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Way to disrespectfully belittle 3 people's deaths with stupid number games.

EDIT: 4, including Sarah Payne who you've included in your "calculations" for some reason.

My reponse was this:

Quote:

Pope Gregory XIII's "calculation" for the "conventional anniversary" of 1 year or 12 months, presumably, is not a "stupid number game" and presumably, is not "disrespectful" to anyone or anything.


Whereas, other alternatives, such as 777 weeks for example, to some folk, for some unknown reason(s), clearly are ...


I had never imagined that numbers or date relationships could be disrespectful or belittling to anyone or anything, but, you learn something new every day.

Hopefully ...

Did you miss that ?





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