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Old 20-06-2014, 02:37 PM   #561
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Jobcentre Plus is a brand used by the UK Department for Work and Pensions for its working-age support service in the United Kingdom, its services offered directly by the Department for Work and Pensions..From 2002 to 2011, it was the name of a government executive agency, formed by the amalgamation two agencies: the Employment Service, which operated Jobcentres, and the Benefits Agency, which ran social security offices. It reported directly to the Minister of State for Employment on a massive whack.."Arbeit macht frei" is a German phrase meaning "work makes (you) free".. The slogan is known for having been placed over the entrances to a number of Nazi concentration camps during World War II, including most infamously Auschwitz I, where it was made by prisoners with metalwork skills and erected by order of the Nazis in June 1940...

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In chemistry, concentration is the abundance of a constituent divided by the total volume of a mixture. Several types of mathematical description can be distinguished: mass concentration, molar concentration, number concentration, and volume concentration.. The term concentration can be applied to any kind of chemical mixture, but most frequently it refers to solutes and solvents in solutions. The molar (amount) concentration has variants such as normal concentration and osmotic concentration...


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Old 20-06-2014, 03:00 PM   #562
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A sweatshop is a factory or workshop, especially in the clothing industry, where manual workers are employed at very low wages for long hours and under poor conditions..Many workplaces through history have been crowded, dangerous, low-paying and without job security; but the concept of a sweatshop originated between 1830 and 1850 as a specific type of workshop in which a certain type of middleman, the sweater, directed others in garment making (the process of producing clothing) under arduous conditions.. The terms sweater for the middleman and sweat system for the process of subcontracting piecework were used in early critiques like Charles Kingsley's Cheap Clothes and Nasty, written in 1850, which described conditions in London, England. The workplaces created for the sweating system, a system of subcontracting in the tailoring trade were called sweatshops and might contain only a few workers or as many as 100 or more...



Anti-globalization organizations argue that the minor gains made by employees of some of these institutions are outweighed by the negative costs such as lowered wages to increase profit margins and that the institutions pay less than the daily expenses of their workers.. They also point to the fact that sometimes local jobs offered higher wages before trade liberalization provided tax incentives to allow sweatshops to replace former local unionized jobs.. They further contend that sweatshop jobs are not necessarily inevitable.. Eric Toussaint claims that quality of life in developing countries was actually higher between 1945 and 1980 before the international debt crisis of 1982 harmed economies in developing countries causing them to turn to IMF and World Bank-organized "structural adjustments" and that unionized jobs pay more than sweatshop ones overall – "several studies of workers producing for US firms in Mexico are instructive: workers at the Aluminum Company of America's Ciudad Acuna plant earn between $21.44 and $24.60 per week, but a weekly basket of basic food items costs $26.87. Mexican GM workers earn enough to buy a pound of apples in 30 minutes of work, while GM workers in the US earn as much in 5 minutes." People critical of sweatshops believe that "free trade agreements" do not truly promote free trade at all but instead seek to protect multinational corporations from competition by local industries (which are sometimes unionized).. They believe free trade should only involve reducing tariffs and barriers to entry and that multinational businesses should operate within the laws in the countries they want to do business in rather than seeking immunity from obeying local environmental and labor laws. They believe these conditions are what give rise to sweatshops rather than natural industrialization or economic progression.

In some countries, such as China, it is not uncommon for these institutions to withhold workers' pay..

“ "According to labour organizations in Hong Kong, up to $365 million is withheld by managers who restrict pay in exchange for some service, or don't pay at all"...
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Old 21-06-2014, 09:30 AM   #563
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The Neuengamme concentration camp, a German concentration camp, was established in 1938 by the SS near the village of Neuengamme in the Bergedorf district of Hamburg, Germany. It was operated by the Nazis from 1938 to 1945. By the end of the war, more than half of its estimated 106,000 prisoners perished there.. After Germany's defeat, the British Army used it until 1948 as an internment centre. In 1948 the facility was transferred to Hamburg prison authority which tore down the barracks and built a new prison cell block. After being operated as two prisons by the Hamburg authorities from 1950 to 2004, and a period of uncertainty, the site now serves as a memorial. It is situated 15 km southeast of the centre of Hamburg in the Bergedorf area..On March 15, 1945, the transfer of Scandinavian prisoners from other camps to Neuengamme started. This was part of the White Buses program. On March 27, a Scandinavian camp was established at Neuengamme. On April 8, an air raid of a train transporting prisoners led to the Celler Hasenjagd massacre..On April 26, 1945, about 10,000 surviving prisoners were loaded into four ships: the passenger liners Deutschland and Cap Arcona and two large steamers, SS Thielbek and Athen. The prisoners were in the ships' holds for several days without food or water..The order to transfer the prisoners from the camps to the prison ships came from Hamburg Gauleiter Karl Kaufmann, who was himself acting on orders from Berlin. Kaufmann later claimed during a war crimes tribunal that the prisoners were destined for Sweden. However, at the same trial, Georg-Henning Graf von Bassewitz-Behr, the head of the Hamburg Gestapo, said that the prisoners were in fact slated to be killed in compliance with Himmler's orders,[10] and it has been suggested that the plan called for scuttling the ships with the prisoners still aboard..On May 3, 1945, the ships were attacked by three squadrons of Royal Air Force Hawker Typhoons. The RAF believed the ships carried SS personnel who were being transferred to Norway, intelligence that the ships carried concentration camp prisoners did not reach the squadrons in time to halt the attack. The Thielbek was sunk and the Cap Arcona and Deutschland set on fire, they both later sank; survivors who jumped into the water were strafed by cannon fire from the RAF aircraft. Thousands of dead were washed ashore just as the British Army occupied the area; the British forced German prisoners-of-war and civilians to dig mass graves to dispose of the bodies..On May 2, 1945, the SS and the last prisoners left the Neuengamme camp....

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The Concentration of People's Forces (Concentración de Fuerzas Populares, CFP) is a centre-right populist political party in Ecuador. It was founded in 1949 and played a major role in Ecuadorian politics of the 1960s and 70s, with its sronghold being in Guayaquil.. With Jaime Roldós Aguilera it provided the country's president from 1979 to 1981. Since the end of the 1980s, it has fallen into insignificance..Many in the party leadership are of Lebanese descent and developed a power base in support of popular figures turned politicians..Under the leadership of Assad Bucaram it was one of Ecuador's largest parties in the 1960s and 1970s. CFP's Jaime Roldós (the husband of Bucaram's niece) became the first freely-elected president of Ecuador after the rule of the military juntas in the 1970s..Though the Bucaram family and members of Roldós's own family continued in politics, they changed allegiance to other parties and the CFP was weakened..In the legislative elections, of 20 October 2002, the party won 1 out of 100 seats. This party might not have won any seats in the 2006 elections, and in the 2014 they risk losing official financing. Its presidential candidate, Jaime Damerval, won 0.4% of the vote in 2006...
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Old 22-06-2014, 10:47 AM   #564
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Operation Frühlingserwachen ("Spring Awakening") (6 – 16 March 1945) was the last major German offensive of World War II. The offensive was launched in Hungary on the Eastern Front. This offensive was also known in German as the Plattensee Offensive, in Russian as the Balaton Defensive Operation (6 – 15 March 1945), and in English as the Lake Balaton Offensive..The offensive was launched by the Germans in great secrecy on 6 March 1945. The German attacks were centered in the Lake Balaton area. This area included some of the last oil reserves still available to the Germans..Operation Spring Awakening involved many German units withdrawn from the failed Ardennes Offensive on the Western Front including the Sixth SS Panzer Army..The German plan of attack against Soviet General Fyodor Tolbukhin's 3rd Ukrainian Front was ambitious. German General Sepp Dietrich's Sixth SS Panzer Army was responsible for the primary thrust of the German attack. The army was to advance from an area north of Lake Balaton on a wide front.. They were to push east through the Soviet 27th Army and to the Danube River... After reaching the river, one part of the Army would turn north creating a northern spearhead..By the 2nd half of February Soviet intelligence identified large German tank formations in west Hungary, and soon realized that preparation for a major offensive was underway.. Using the experience gained in the battle of Kursk, Soviets built multi-layer anti-tank defense, including 66 anti-tank "killing zones" over 83 km of front in Lake Balaton area containing 65% of available artillery..The offensive got under way on 6 March. It was spearheaded by the German 6th SS Panzer Army. The spearhead included elite units like Adolf Hitler's personal unit, the Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler Division...

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Otto Kumm, (1 October 1909 – 23 March 2004) was an SS-Brigadeführer and Generalmajor of the Waffen-SS, and a recipient of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords (German: Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes mit Eichenlaub und Schwertern). The Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross and its higher grade Oak Leaves and Swords was awarded to recognise extreme battlefield bravery or successful military leadership. After the war, he became one of the founders and the first head of the veteran organization HIAG..Kumm was born on 1 October 1909 in Hamburg, at the time a sovereign state of the German Empire.. He was the 5th and youngest child of merchant Eduard Kumm and his wife Frieda, née Block. Following his graduation from the Oberrealschule (secondary school) in Hamburg-Hamm he received a vocational education as type setter from 1 April 1925 and 31 March 1929 at the Hamburger Abendblatt (Hamburg Evening Newspaper). He then worked in a printer factory. He joined the SS-Verfügungstruppe (SS Dispositional Troops) on 1 April 1934 and came to the I./SS-Standarte Germania in Hamburg...
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The English term "ghetto" is an Italian loanword, which actually comes from the Venetian word "ghèto", slag, and was used in this sense in a reference to a foundry where slag was stored located on the same island as the area of Jewish confinement.. An alternative etymology is from Italian borghetto, diminutive of borgo ‘borough’..JUst over the field is a wood called dog kennel wood near hag fold not far from slag lane..JUst off Mealhose Lane...

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Is this what british soldiers are fighting and dying for ... I don't have to tell you things are bad... Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TV's while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say Is, 'Please samantha, at least leaf us alone in our living rooms ...
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer ; 4 February 1906 – 9 April 1945) was a German Lutheran pastor, theologian, anti-Nazi dissident, and key founding member of the Confessing Church..His writings on Christianity's role in the secular world have become widely influential, and his book The Cost of Discipleship became a modern classic..Apart from his theological writings, Bonhoeffer became known for his staunch resistance to the Nazi dictatorship, including vocal opposition to Hitler's euthanasia program and genocidal persecution of the Jews.. Allegedly associated with the plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler by members of the Abwehr (the German Military Intelligence Office), Bonhoeffer was arrested in April 1943 by the Gestapo, imprisoned at Tegel prison for one and a half years, and then in a Nazi concentration camp, and after a very brief, biased trial with other plotters as the Nazi regime collapsed, executed by hanging on April 9, 1945, just 2 weeks before Allied forces liberated the camp and 3 weeks before Hitler's suicide..Bonhoeffer was born on 4 February 1906 in Breslau (now Wrocław, Poland), the 6th of 8 children.. His father was the psychiatrist and neurologist Karl Bonhoeffer. His mother Paula Bonhoeffer, née von Hase, was a teacher and the granddaughter of the Protestant theologian Karl von Hase and the painter Stanislaus Kalckreuth.. His older brother Karl Friedrich Bonhoeffer became a chemist, and, along with Paul Harteck, discovered the spin isomers of hydrogen in 1929. His cousin Karl-Günther von Hase was the German Ambassador to the United Kingdom from 1970 to 1977...

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Bonhoeffer was an outstanding academic theologian.. He completed his Staatsexamen, the equivalent of both a bachelors degree and a masters degree, at the Protestant Faculty of Theology of the University of Tübingen. He went on to complete his Doctor of Theology degree (Dr. theol.) from Berlin University in 1927, graduating summa cum laude.. He then completed an additional doctorate known as a Habilitation and was thereby made a Privatdozent of Berlin University in 1929, all before the age of 25..Still too young to be ordained, the 24 year-old Bonhoeffer went to the United States in 1930 for postgraduate study and a teaching fellowship at New York City's Union Theological Seminary. Although Bonhoeffer found the American seminary not up to his exacting German standards ("There is no theology here."), he had life-changing experiences and friendships. He studied under Reinhold Niebuhr and met Frank Fisher, a black fellow seminarian who introduced him to Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem, where Bonhoeffer taught Sunday school and formed a lifelong love for African-American spirituals — a collection of which he took back to Germany. He heard Adam Clayton Powell, Sr., preach the Gospel of Social Justice and became sensitive to not only social injustices experienced by minorities but also the ineptitude of the church to bring about integration..Bonhoeffer began to see things "from below" — from the perspective of those who suffer oppression..He observed, "Here one can truly speak and hear about sinmoon and Grace and the love of God...the Black Christ is preached with rapturous passion and vision." Later Bonhoeffer was to refer to his impressions abroad as the point at which "I turned from phraseology to reality." He also learned to drive an automobile, although he failed the driving test 3 times.. He traveled by car through the United States to Mexico, where he was invited to speak on the subject of peace.. His early visits to Italy, Libya, Spain, United States, Mexico, and Cuba opened Bonhoeffer to ecumenism is an interdenominational initiative aimed at greater Christian unity or cooperation.. The term is used predominantly by and with reference to Christian denominations and Christian Churches separated by doctrine, history, and practice...

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Bonhoeffer's promising academic and ecclesiastical career was dramatically altered with Nazi ascension to power on January 30, 1933. He was a determined opponent of the regime from its first days..2 days after Hitler was installed as Chancellor, Bonhoeffer delivered a radio address in which he attacked Hitler and warned Germany against slipping into an idolatrous cult of the Führer (leader), who could very well turn out to be Verführer (mis-leader, or seducer).. He was cut off the air in the middle of a sentence, though it is unclear whether the newly elected Nazi regime was responsible.. In April 1933, Bonhoeffer raised the first voice for church resistance to Hitler's persecution of Jews, declaring that the church must not simply "bandage the victims under the wheel, but jam the spoke in the wheel itself"..Disheartened by the German Churches' complacency with the Nazi regime by the autumn of 1933, the 27-year-old Bonhoeffer accepted a two-year appointment as a pastor of two German-speaking Protestant churches in London: the German Evangelical Church in Sydenham and the German Reformed Church of St Paul's, Whitechapel.. He explained to Barth that he had found little support for his views – even among friends – and that "it was about time to go for a while into the desert", Barth regarded this as running away from real battle. He sharply rebuked Bonhoeffer, saying "I can only reply to all the reasons and excuses which you put forward: 'And what of the German Church?'" Barth accused Bonhoeffer of abandoning his post and wasting his "splendid theological armory" while "the house of your church is on fire" and chided him to return to Berlin "by the next ship"..Back in Germany, Bonhoeffer was further harassed by the Nazi authorities as he was forbidden to speak in public and was required to regularly report his activities to the police in 1940. In 1941, he was forbidden to print or to publish. In the meantime, Bonhoeffer joined the Abwehr (a German military intelligence organization) which was also the center of the anti-Hitler resistance.. Dohnányi, already part of the Abwehr, brought him into the organization on the claim his wide ecumenical contacts would be of use to Germany, thus protecting him from conscription to active service.. Bonhoeffer presumably knew about various 1943 plots against Hitler through Dohnányi, who was actively involved in the planning.. In the face of Nazi atrocities, the full scale of which Bonhoeffer learned through the Abwehr, he concluded that "the ultimate question for a responsible man to ask is not how he is to extricate himself heroically from the affair, but how the coming generation shall continue to live..On 5 April 1943, Bonhoeffer and Dohnányi were arrested not because of their conspiracy, but because of long-standing rivalry between SS and Abwehr for intelligence fiefdom...After the failure of the 20 July Plot on Hitler's life in 1944 and the discovery in September 1944 of secret Abwehr documents relating to the conspiracy, Bonhoeffer's connection with the conspirators was discovered.. He was transferred from the military prison Tegel in Berlin, where he had been held for 18 months, to the detention cellar of the house prison of the Reich Security Head Office, the Gestapo's high-security prison.. In February 1945, he was secretly moved to Buchenwald concentration camp, and finally to Flossenbürg concentration camp..On 4 April 1945, the diaries of Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, head of the Abwehr, were discovered, and in a rage upon reading them, Hitler ordered that the Abwehr conspirators be destroyed.. Bonhoeffer was led away just as he concluded his final Sunday service and asked an English prisoner Payne Best to remember him to Bishop George Bell of Chichester if he should ever reach his home: "This is the end — for me the beginning of life"..English translations of Bonhoeffer's works, most of which were originally written in German, are available. Many of his lectures and books were translated into English over the years and are available from multiple publishers.. These works are listed following the Fortress Press edition of Bonhoeffer's writings which, when completed, will be the definitive edition of Bonhoeffer's theological works and correspondence.. The English language edition of Bonhoeffer's Works contains, in many cases, more material than the German Works series because of the discovery of hitherto unknown correspondence..At the start of the Crusader period St Symeon was only a local port, but in the second half of the 12th century Nur ed-Din and later Saladin brought order to Moslem Syria, reviving its prosperity and opening it as a trade route to Iraq and the Far East.. St Symeon shared in the prosperity as one of the ports used by the merchants of Aleppo until the Mongol conquests of the thirteenth century resulted in a movement of trade routes to the north. In 1268 a Mameluk army under Baibars captured St Symeon and then went on to destroy Antioch. The city and its port never recovered..St Symeon gives its name to a Crusader style of pottery..Symeon the New Theologian (Greek: Συμεὼν ὁ Νέος Θεολόγος; 949–1022 AD) was a Byzantine Christian monk and poet who was the last of 3 saints canonized by the Eastern Orthodox church and given the title of "Theologian" (along with John the Apostle and Gregory of Nazianzus). "Theologian" was not applied to Symeon in the modern academic sense of theological study, but to recognize someone who spoke from personal experience of the vision of G.. The authority for many of his teachings derived from the traditions of the Desert Fathers, early Christian monks and ascetics. Symeon's writings include Hymns of Divine Love, Ethical Discourses, and The Catechetical Discourses..Died March 12, 1022 Paloukiton..Simeon was the son of a shepherd.. He was born at Sis, now the Turkish town of Kozan in Adana Province. Sis was in the Roman province of Cilicia, and after the separation of the Roman Empire in 395 it became part of the Eastern Roman Empire and Christianity grew quickly there...
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Old 24-06-2014, 03:16 PM   #567
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Yes there sure is a lot of junk history out there supporting the Holohoax, isn't there? I love that they try to say 2000 Jews at a time were organized in a room like sardines, with maybe 2 0r 3 guards doing the herding, and even though they realized they were all about to be gassed, no one thought to get the hell out of there and overrun the guards? Then 2 or 3 people loaded all of these bodies up to a lift to be taken up to the single cremation ovens that took hours to dispose of one body. VERY inefficient and totally unbelievable. But folks will believe anything, when all the information sources are controlled and all that's let out is lies, and of course when it's illegal in some places to question these events. Nevermind of course the 6,000,000 Jews who also allegedly perished in WWI in the Ukraine... hey, it was in the NY Times, it must be true. 2 wars, 12,000,000 Jews. I'm surprised there are any left.

You do realize that concentration/internment camps are a mainstay of wartime? Japanese Americans were rounded up and interred in camps after the false flag of Pearl Harbour was allowed to happen. Conditions were deplorable..... they were treated like crap even though many were American born and raised.

More than ever now, people are waking up to the Holocaust lie, but there are always stalwarts pressing forward to perpetuate it no matter what. Scrutiny is the enemy of the Holocaust propagandists.
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Old 24-06-2014, 04:45 PM   #568
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Yes there sure is a lot of junk history out there supporting the Holohoax, isn't there? I love that they try to say 2000 Jews at a time were organized in a room like sardines, with maybe 2 0r 3 guards doing the herding, and even though they realized they were all about to be gassed, no one thought to get the hell out of there and overrun the guards? .
There was an uprising..... by Kapos


How did that work out for them?
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There was an uprising..... by Kapos


How did that work out for them?
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Yes, so by this logic, it sent a message to @ 6 million people to just line up and die? "Oh no!, They tried fighting back from certain death, and they were killed for it..." That is ridiculous. Do you see that? There were people with nothing left to lose, outnumbering the guards something like 2000 to 5, and there wasn't any significant uprising save Kapos? Illogical, and improbable. Not to mention that some of the guards were Jews, who lived to tell this absurd tale.

Give it up already. People are catching on.
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Yes, so by this logic, it sent a message to @ 6 million people to just line up and die? "Oh no!, They tried fighting back from certain death, and they were killed for it..." That is ridiculous. Do you see that? There were people with nothing left to lose, outnumbering the guards something like 2000 to 5, and there wasn't any significant uprising save Kapos? Illogical, and improbable. Not to mention that some of the guards were Jews, who lived to tell this absurd tale.

Give it up already. People are catching on.


what a rambling post that is.

Your timeline is all over the place with regards to the uprising and the 6 million figure

Are you saying that there should have been more or no? I cannot tell from the way your post is constructed.

In regards to your conclusion of improbability, I would love to see your research findings on the psychology of this issue as I feel you are ill-informed on this subject.
If YOUR conclusion is to be accepted then surely every prison would see uprisings , every modern jail and detention centre would be overrun based on YOUR conclusion of ratios.

Take your own advice on this part and give it up, you are badly informed on prisoner and captive psychology if you believe what you wrote to be true.

But of course sitting at your PC typing it up is far easier than living it, isn’t it?
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what a rambling post that is.

Your timeline is all over the place with regards to the uprising and the 6 million figure

Are you saying that there should have been more or no? I cannot tell from the way your post is constructed.

In regards to your conclusion of improbability, I would love to see your research findings on the psychology of this issue as I feel you are ill-informed on this subject.
If YOUR conclusion is to be accepted then surely every prison would see uprisings , every modern jail and detention centre would be overrun based on YOUR conclusion of ratios.

Take your own advice on this part and give it up, you are badly informed on prisoner and captive psychology if you believe what you wrote to be true.

But of course sitting at your PC typing it up is far easier than living it, isn’t it?
Right. 2000 people, one group after the next, just lining up, packed in like sardines, and knowing it was certain death, which means no hope -- prisoners who fall under the "captive" psychology by and large tend to still hope to get free. Apparently, all the Jews just lined up and marched without any fuss, 2000 at a time, to be gassed to death. Then this mass was cremated in one of a few single cremation ovens, one at a time.

That's dumb. So are folks who believe it at face value with no question.

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Right. 2000 people, one group after the next, just lining up, packed in like sardines, and knowing it was certain death, which means no hope -- prisoners who fall under the "captive" psychology by and large tend to still hope to get free. Apparently, all the Jews just lined up and marched without any fuss, 2000 at a time, to be gassed to death. Then this mass was cremated in one of a few single cremation ovens, one at a time.

That's dumb. So are folks who believe it at face value with no question.

What's their choice? old people women and children those who weren't fit for work? HOW are they going to fight back and as soon as they do the dogs would tear them apart if they weren't dead already from being machine gunned to death, brainless comment by you.

The typical shit you come up with, it was a capacity of 2000 most of them were braking down from over use and the typical canard from denier's is the ovens only can take one body, bullshit 3 at a time and the rest in burning pits because they were breaking down from over use.
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Right. 2000 people, one group after the next, just lining up, packed in like sardines, and knowing it was certain death, which means no hope -- prisoners who fall under the "captive" psychology by and large tend to still hope to get free. Apparently, all the Jews just lined up and marched without any fuss, 2000 at a time, to be gassed to death. Then this mass was cremated in one of a few single cremation ovens, one at a time.

That's dumb. So are folks who believe it at face value with no question.


This is quite an incredible oversimplification of the mind set of captives….those who were selected at the ramp and those who were selected later.
Those at the ramp certainly wouldn’t have had the first-hand knowledge other long term prisoners had and in some cases the routes were obscured from them.

Your arrogance in this is astounding, you offer your analysis of this based on what?...your own agenda?...your type always demands proof…well now you offer proof of your stance on prisoner psychology….I await you findings…

What of your ratio of captives to guards…this doesn’t stand up with today’s criminals, hardened murders etc, who don’t escape from ratio endowed prisons, care to explain that sinkhole in your theory?
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This is quite an incredible oversimplification of the mind set of captives….those who were selected at the ramp and those who were selected later.
Those at the ramp certainly wouldn’t have had the first-hand knowledge other long term prisoners had and in some cases the routes were obscured from them.

Your arrogance in this is astounding, you offer your analysis of this based on what?...your own agenda?...your type always demands proof…well now you offer proof of your stance on prisoner psychology….I await you findings…

What of your ratio of captives to guards…this doesn’t stand up with today’s criminals, hardened murders etc, who don’t escape from ratio endowed prisons, care to explain that sinkhole in your theory?
OK, after the first 2000 went in, the rest would've caught on quickly. This would have caused panic. Over simpliification? You are content to leave it at "they just accepted their fate and laid down and died", in so many words.

In prisons, prisoners are there to do a sentence. If they do their time without incident, they'll get good behavior time off. Etc. They know they'll be getting out, there's no need for an uprising. In spite of this, there are still prison uprisings where guards are murdered etc. In spite of knowing they are just "doing time", prisoners from all across the board will take part in a prison revolt. However, for the most part, prisons don't have a large number of revolts, they happen here and there. By and large, prisoners know they will be freed. This facilitates a "don't rock the boat, survive and get out in one piece" mentality, and it's a safe, sensible approach. The same mentality could also be found amongst prisoners in prison camps -- it is war time, their lives have been turned upside down, they may not survive. But it's best to persevere, and have hope. Hope would fuel that "don't rock the boat" mentality in a prison camp.

If you have taken away all hope, that is different. We are now talking about 2000 people at a time going to a certain death and doing it willingly. I would say, some with no hope will lay down and die, but most will not go quietly to any certain death. They're going to need more than 5 guards to handle that panic. The first group of 2000 would've had it's share of "panickers", and that definitely would have alerted the rest of the folks from the get go. Then, there would be mass panic in that group who are going to be marched to a certain death, and they wouldn't have gone quietly in the nice orderly groups that they would have needed to be in to facilitate this undertaking.

"My kind" requires proof? I never asked you for any proof. I can't trust your answer.
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Spoken like a true parrot....2000 at a time, parrot propaganda.

How many crematoriums were operating at that time rosion???

Forget get about the guards with the machine guns did you, to much logic for you?
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In prisons, prisoners are there to do a sentence. If they do their time without incident, they'll get good behavior time off. Etc. They know they'll be getting out, there's no need for an uprising. In spite of this, there are still prison uprisings where guards are murdered etc. In spite of knowing they are just "doing time", prisoners from all across the board will take part in a prison revolt. However, for the most part, prisons don't have a large number of revolts, they happen here and there. By and large, prisoners know they will be freed. This facilitates a "don't rock the boat, survive and get out in one piece" mentality, and it's a safe, sensible approach. The same mentality could also be found amongst prisoners in prison camps -- it is war time, their lives have been turned upside down, they may not survive. But it's best to persevere, and have hope. Hope would fuel that "don't rock the boat" mentality in a prison camp.


SO where is your proof of this...this is just an opinion, nothing more...show me proof of your theory on prisoner psychology.
I am still waiting for data backup on this as already requested.

And as regards to sentences...what of those on death row...those who will never be freed....what about inmates of say, Broadmoor Hospital ...why no mass riot and escape? They will never be freed so your dont rock the boat theory fails here.


Ohh and your ehh...dont rock the boat.... analogy works in this instance too...funny how your own theory attaches itself to the thing you are arguing against....pfffttt...

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Spoken like a true parrot....2000 at a time, parrot propaganda.

How many crematoriums were operating at that time rosion???

Forget get about the guards with the machine guns did you, to much logic for you?
The answer is "yes"

Keyboard warriors.....easy to say it from a distance, wonder how much fight he would have put up in their place?????
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Spoken like a true parrot....2000 at a time, parrot propaganda.

How many crematoriums were operating at that time rosion???

Forget get about the guards with the machine guns did you, to much logic for you?
That is Holocaust propaganda bootsy. 2000 at a time, 6,000,000 in total... etc.

Not enough to cremate the 2000 bodies per "chamber lot" in an efficient enough time....

Folks being told to march to their death willingly would most certainly consider taking their chances against a few armed guards. Absolutely. Thousands of people in these camps. Thousands. All realizing at the same time what's happening in the "showers"... you're not employing logic if you can't see what comes after the...... and I'm not going to spell it out for you, though the word bedlam does come to mind.
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SO where is your proof of this...this is just an opinion, nothing more...show me proof of your theory on prisoner psychology.
I am still waiting for data backup on this as already requested.

And as regards to sentences...what of those on death row...those who will never be freed....what about inmates of say, Broadmoor Hospital ...why no mass riot and escape? They will never be freed so your dont rock the boat theory fails here.


Ohh and your ehh...dont rock the boat.... analogy works in this instance too...funny how your own theory attaches itself to the thing you are arguing against....pfffttt...

Keep up the good work.....
Yes, your type always requires proof...... I laid it out for you, perhaps through all of your bluster your comprehension skills aren't so good?

People on death row aren't wandering free in a prison. At Broadmoor I'm sure they're also drugged to the nines, and the security is also pretty tight. Simple answers to easy questions.
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That is Holocaust propaganda bootsy. 2000 at a time, 6,000,000 in total... etc.

Not enough to cremate the 2000 bodies per "chamber lot" in an efficient enough time....
lol, you do talk shit on purpose, reminds me of the sounds bites and propaganda the US used for the invasion of Iraqi.

News paper shite like six million soundbites just like your neo nazi denier propaganda.

Thankfully this genocide has been studied and your bullshit 2000 a day 6million gassed is BS

Not one person has said 6 million gassed, only you imply it is so to the feeble minded.

How many cremetoriums were operating and why burning pit's.

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The document transcribed and translated below has been provided to The Holocaust History Project by Dr. Bernhard Post of the Thüringisches Hauptstaatsarchiv in Germany. It has only recently become available.
It is an internal memo by Kurt Prüfer, an employee of Topf and Sons, a company that built cremation furnaces. Prüfer was the builder of the Auschwitz cremation furnaces. In this memo, which is labeled "secret" and "confidential", Prüfer recounts a conversation he just had with First Lieutenant Krone of the Works and Buildings Section of the Economics and Administration Department (Wirtschafts- und Verwaltungshauptamt, commonly referred to as WVHA) about Auschwitz's cremation needs.
Krone has informed Prüfer that he has met with Brigadier General Kammler (misspelled in the memo as Kämmer), who headed the Works and Buildings Section of WVHA. Kammler is well known in Holocaust historiography as the recipient of a letter dated January 29, 1943 from the head of the Auschwitz Central Construction Agency stating that there was a "gassing cellar" in a building known as "Crematoria II" in Auschwitz.
Prüfer relates that he has told Krone, who has just returned from Auschwitz, that the camp can be provided with enough cremation muffles to bring the cremation capacity up to 2650 per day, or 80,000 per month. However, Prüfer notes: "Mr. K said that this number of muffles is not yet sufficient; we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible."

Thus, Prüfer has been informed by the Third Reich's Buildings' section that a cremation capacity of slightly less than 1 million per year is not enough for Auschwitz's needs! This is the first document which has emerged before the building of 46 ovens in four crematoria in the Birkenau section of the camp (there were already six ovens in the Auschwitz main camp) which gives a true picture of the homicidal nature of Auschwitz from the perspective of how the SS in Berlin viewed the camp's real cremation needs. The memo categorically refutes Holocaust deniers who claim that the Auschwitz crematoria were merely used for normal sanitary purposes. No denier has ever claimed that normal sanitation would require such an extraordinary cremation capacity. At the time the memo was written, gassing victims were burned in outdoor areas near two provisional gas chambers.



This memo is dated September 8, 1942 and should be read in accordance with two other contemporaneous documents relating to Auschwitz from the same period. The first is dated August 21, 1942 where Prüfer is mentioned in relation to ovens needed because of "bathing installations for special actions". The bathing installations were homicidal gas chambers disguised as showers. At the time, two buildings that lay outside of the camp had been converted into gas chambers. Some months later the phony showers were moved into the crematoria after those buildings were completed.
The second key document dealing with the "special actions" is a diary kept by Auschwitz camp physician Dr. Johann Paul Kremer. On September 2, 1942 he wrote: "For the first time, at 3:00 A.M. outside, attended a special action. Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the camp of annihilation for nothing!" Kremer recorded 12 additional special actions at which he was present before leaving Auschwitz on November 18, 1942. (Relevant entries are in KL Auschwitz Seen by the SS, published by the Auschwitz State Museum) During this period, there were many other "special actions" at which he was not present.



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TOPF An J.A. TOPF UND SÖHNE Erfurt, den 8.9.42 Abteilung D IV Unser Zeichen: D IV/Prf./hes In Sachen: Reichsführer SS, Berlin-Lichterfelde-West. Betrifft: Krematorium-Auschwitz. Vertraulich! Geheim! 8.9.42 Herr Obersturmführer Krone ruft an und erklärt, dass er zum Brigadeführer Kämmer bestellt sei und über seine Be- sichtigung des Krematoriums in Auschwitz, von der er gestern zurückgekehrt sei, zu berichten habe. Aus der Anlage in Auschwitz wäre er nicht klug geworden und wollte sich des- halb genau informieren, wieviel Muffeln dort zur Zeit in Betrieb seien, und wieviele Öfen mit Muffeln wir zur Zeit dort bauen und noch liefern. Ich gab an, dass zur Zeit 3 Stück Zwei- muffel-Öfen mit einer Leistung von 250 je Tag in Betrieb seien. Ferner wären jetzt in Bau 5 Stück Dreimuffel- Öfen mit einer täglichen Leistung von 800. Zum Versand kämen heute und in den nächsten Tagen die von Mogilew abgezweigten 2 Stück Achtmuffel-Öfen mit einer Leistung von je 800 täglich. Herr K. erklärte, dass diese Anzahl von Muffeln noch nicht aus- reichend sei; wir sollen noch weitere Öfen schnellstens liefern. Es ist daher zweckmäßig, dass ich am Donnerstag Vormittag nach Berlin käme, um mit Herrn K. über weitere Lieferungen zu spre- chen. Ich soll Unterlagen über Auschwitz mitbringen, damit nun endgültig einmal die dringenden Rufe verstummen würden. Den Besuch für Donnerstag habe ich zugesagt. Translation

TOPF To J.A. TOPF UND SÖHNE Erfurt, September 8, 1942 Department D IV Our Mark: D IV/Prf./hes In Matters of: Reichsführer SS, Berlin-Lichterfelde-West. Concerning: Krematorium-Auschwitz. Confidential! Secret! 8.9.42 Herr Obersturmführer Krone calls to say that he was summoned to meet with Brigadeführer Kämmer and to report on his inspection of the crematorium in Auschwitz, whence he had returned yesterday. He could make nothing of the facilities at Auschwitz and wanted therefore to inform himself on how many muffles are in operation there at this time and how many ovens with muffles we are building there and are still to be delivered. I told him that at this time 3 double-muffle ovens are in operation, with a capacity of 250 per day. Further, currently under construction are 5 triple muffle ovens with a daily capacity of 800. Today and in the next few days, 2 eight-muffle ovens, each with a daily capacity of 800, will come on consignment, redirected from Mogilew. Mr K said that this number of muffles is not yet sufficient; we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible. Thus, it is appropriate that I come to Berlin Thursday morning in order to discuss further deliveries with Mr K. I should bring documents on Auschwitz with me, so that the urgent calls can be finally silenced once and for all. I have agreed to the visit for Thursday.
There provided you with a clue to how many oven's were operational at the time and even that wasn't enough for the Nazi's.
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