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Old 08-03-2009, 10:42 AM   #201
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right. they alsways claim that the chip must be veryu close to a 'reader' to track it, how many 'readers' are there floating in the ocean?
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The information is stored on the chip & can only be read once the chip has been recovered. Take my word for it.. if you can't be motivated to research the issue properly.
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Old 08-03-2009, 12:11 PM   #202
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Take my word for it.. if you can't be motivated to research the issue properly.
"can't be motivated to research the issue properly"?

what was that for?

did I previously upset you in some other thread?

just what is your problem?

I am just another human , trying to work this stuff out with what limited info i can glean from wherever.

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The information is stored on the chip & can only be read once the chip has been recovered.
oh, thanks for that. did you respond to genuinely share this info or is this just a 'correction' so you can feel 'one up' ?
so how does the chip record the data regarding the salmon's movements? there MUST be an 'active' element to the chip when it is away from the 'reader'

you post this map, supposedly of salmon movements in the ocean...



so how does the chip know where the salmon have been? did the salmon pass by a 'reader' which recorded ON the chip when the fish passed? if you 'chip' a fish and let it free in the ocean, how is the info ever going to be recorded onto the chip? surely , if there are not billions of 'readers' floating in the ocean, and the chip has such a limited 'range' of readability, how come do the chips recoerd ANY info about the fish and its movements? all the salmon that are recovered would have 'empty' chips

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Old 08-03-2009, 02:10 PM   #203
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"can't be motivated to research the issue properly"?

what was that for?

did I previously upset you in some other thread?

just what is your problem?

I am just another human , trying to work this stuff out with what limited info i can glean from wherever.


Nobody in here has ever upset me. This is an internet forum. It was a netural statement. No offence intended.


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oh, thanks for that. did you respond to genuinely share this info or is this just a 'correction' so you can feel 'one up' ?
so how does the chip record the data regarding the salmon's movements? there MUST be an 'active' element to the chip when it is away from the 'reader'

you post this map, supposedly of salmon movements in the ocean...



so how does the chip know where the salmon have been? did the salmon pass by a 'reader' which recorded ON the chip when the fish passed? if you 'chip' a fish and let it free in the ocean, how is the info ever going to be recorded onto the chip? surely , if there are not billions of 'readers' floating in the ocean, and the chip has such a limited 'range' of readability, how come do the chips recoerd ANY info about the fish and its movements? all the salmon that are recovered would have 'empty' chips
There are several methods for gathering distribution data. In this case (eg OP's data logger or Chip) the most commonly used method is to log photo periods, or day length. When a chip/logger is recovered you can use some fancy software that transl;ates the 'daylength' information into longitudinal & latitudinal positions. It's a fairly complex process that does, however, provide useful data for building distribution/movement models.

As I said in an earlier post inside this thread - I'll upload some papers to Speedyshare if anybody is really interested.
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:41 PM   #204
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The information is stored on the chip & can only be read once the chip has been recovered. Take my word for it.. if you can't be motivated to research the issue properly.
Well, how does this work?

Well, there's the problem of powering the thing. Almost all RFID tags depend entirely on the reader to get the power they need to function.

And more over, these things are used for identification, and have very limited memory and computing power. How are you going to program one to record and store the fish's position over time.

And if water absorbs radio and microwave energy, how can it receive anything from a GPS satellite to even know where the fish has been? [Edit: You said by tracking day length. I suppose if the thing included a clock, that could be plausible.]

And lastly, if these things can record a persons position over time, and then dump all that information to a reader when the person does finally come in range of one, then saying 'they can only know where you are if you're near a reader' is false. They can know where you are wherever you are, there is just a latency defined by how often you come in contact with a reader.

Whatever the chips in the fish are doing, it is obviously beyond the scope of traditional RFID, and as such, shouldn't be referred to as RFID.
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:38 PM   #205
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Well, how does this work?

Well, there's the problem of powering the thing. Almost all RFID tags depend entirely on the reader to get the power they need to function.

And more over, these things are used for identification, and have very limited memory and computing power. How are you going to program one to record and store the fish's position over time.

And if water absorbs radio and microwave energy, how can it receive anything from a GPS satellite to even know where the fish has been? [Edit: You said by tracking day length. I suppose if the thing included a clock, that could be plausible.]

And lastly, if these things can record a persons position over time, and then dump all that information to a reader when the person does finally come in range of one, then saying 'they can only know where you are if you're near a reader' is false. They can know where you are wherever you are, there is just a latency defined by how often you come in contact with a reader.

Whatever the chips in the fish are doing, it is obviously beyond the scope of traditional RFID, and as such, shouldn't be referred to as RFID.
You make a lot of good points.

There are dozens of different types of these loggers/chips available and almost all are waterproof. The one's that upload straight to satellite can be tiny.

Salmon RFID stuff, here & here



I thought you might also find this story from 2005 interesting.

Raindrops on Roses and whiskers on Kittens


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Old 18-03-2009, 12:57 AM   #206
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I feel like the forum deserves an explanation of where your thoughts on this thread are, in time & space, at this juncture?



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Old 24-03-2009, 03:03 AM   #207
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you'll find an RFID chip in every new credit and debit card issued over here.
Why do you people use credit cards???

I don't even have one!

You always complain about how controlled you are while at the same time giving your consent for them to do that.

I can't comprehend that.
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Old 24-03-2009, 11:42 AM   #208
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What if it comes up with the information from another cat?! I would switch cat foods quick if that were the case
Well, they use cat- furr to make cat- toys, so what?
You know these little mice, sometimes with a bell inside?

The same goes for furr- parts on clothing etc,
it seems to be cheaper than rabbit,
saw a documentary about it some years ago..
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Old 24-03-2009, 03:56 PM   #209
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heh, have you ever tried to give a cat a pill? seems like a stupid idea to expect a cat to eat a glass capsule. and wouldn't they just shit it out anyway?
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Old 24-03-2009, 04:09 PM   #210
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Okay, so it's an RFID chip.

So, why is it in the pet food? Eating it surely isn't the best way to use it. Or is the pet food made out of recycled pets?
i think this is the most logical although disturbing answer.........think how many unwanted/stray pets are killed a year?? they are probably not taken away and incinerated like we are led to believe but made into food for other wanted pets..
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Old 24-03-2009, 07:48 PM   #211
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Well, how does this work?

Well, there's the problem of powering the thing. Almost all RFID tags depend entirely on the reader to get the power they need to function.

And more over, these things are used for identification, and have very limited memory and computing power. How are you going to program one to record and store the fish's position over time.

And if water absorbs radio and microwave energy, how can it receive anything from a GPS satellite to even know where the fish has been? [Edit: You said by tracking day length. I suppose if the thing included a clock, that could be plausible.]

And lastly, if these things can record a persons position over time, and then dump all that information to a reader when the person does finally come in range of one, then saying 'they can only know where you are if you're near a reader' is false. They can know where you are wherever you are, there is just a latency defined by how often you come in contact with a reader.

Whatever the chips in the fish are doing, it is obviously beyond the scope of traditional RFID, and as such, shouldn't be referred to as RFID.
...to me,it looks like through electro-magnetic induction,using minute amounts of electrical (Physiological) energy,from the carrier,ie...salmon,cat or
human.Have a close look at the RFID chip,it's glass,capsule shaped with small
copper windings going into a epoxy core,where the memory chip is stored.The
windings power the chip,which transmits the signal,it was once coined telegraphy,the feeding of electricity without conduits,or wires.Old Tesla stuff,
but we use it today with wireless modems and phone towers.
We are the powerhouse,dynamos (Batteries)...that power the thing...all of
you,go and get a kirlian photo of yourself,where you will witness a mostly
invisible field of energy,that morphs in colours every second,with how you think...thought,is a very powerful form of electrical energy,psychics learn to harnass this,many of us,throw it about...not realising how precious this energy is...That's why,They Live,We Sleep...
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Nuke the thing in the microwave and flush it.
That's what I did when I found one in a jacket I bought.
Track THAT you pricks.
Thats about the only thing one can do!!!!

Microwaving anything will destroy it!!!

Put a CD in there for a few seconds AND THE DATA TRACKS ARE COMPLETLY DESTROYED!!!! (You'll hear nothing on it)
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Old 30-07-2010, 11:50 PM   #213
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Yes that is the new generation RFID's the old ones were as big as a bullet and used on cattle (I worked on a farm)

Send a photo to the media.


RFID's can only be read from about a foot away, by the way. So there is no such thing as satellite tracking yet*. Its probably used for inventory management and tracking (also anti-theft). Although actually in the food and not embedded in the packet is very dangerous and should be reported anyway.


*There may well be in the future, but not right now.

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Old 31-07-2010, 03:49 AM   #214
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Seriously, i cant belive no one has posted!

I have heard that pet food is more healthy than human food.


Sick effin bastards!
its not like it would have stayed in the cats body, though it is very odd. should send it off to test for a coating that prohibits cellular growth see if it was intended to stay in the GI tract.
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Old 14-08-2010, 12:18 PM   #215
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Looks to me like they want to make sure all animals are chipped because were the animals go you go.
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Old 14-08-2010, 01:05 PM   #216
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dont send it off, keep it until you find someone who will scan it honestly

..kinda fucked up though.. catfood? wtf

i once found a piece of metal in a fishfinger i thought that was crazy, but this is FUCKED
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Old 14-08-2010, 04:05 PM   #217
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OK,
any vet will be able to scan it and should do for free if you ask a nice one nicely.

I spose it depends on where the meat has come from. In the USA they have been found countless times to be putting euthanised pets (San Francisco Chronicle feb 1990?)into pet food and the "quality content" allows for things like shoe leather (collars perhaps) to be included as protien content.

(interesting article and a few links http://www.examiner.com/pet-news-in-...u-be-the-judge)

Or course, dairy cattle also sometimes have RFID for auto feeders as they are each given set amount depending on milk yield. They may well be dumped into the scrap meat pot as dairy cattle are very unappetising!

Certainly should not be in cat food or any other foods! and could be a concern for the new EU RFID enforced use in cattle, sheep and perhaps goats.
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Old 19-08-2010, 01:05 AM   #218
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YES, CONTACT THE MEDIA...though, thinking about it, the illuminati run media will make sure this story DOES NOT reach the masses, but give it a go !!..
just go to the docs and put it in or on one of the ships.
that will keep them busey
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There's 4 explanations:

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4. They make the cat food out of cats
Bingo!
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Old 09-09-2010, 11:35 PM   #220
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Here's my take on this. Most cat foods are the unwanted/ inedible discarded meat from other industries. pets, farm animals, infected meat, etc. gets put in there, collars and all.

My guess is one of these animals had a chip and it made it into your cats food.

Get that shit scanned man.
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