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Old 31-12-2016, 06:11 PM   #21
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Old 02-01-2017, 04:11 PM   #22
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What company? All she did was turn round and look at the devistation.

Are you saying that empathy should only be deployed for the vituous?
you seem to be saying that she was the only guiltless person in the situation but it sounds like she was keeping bad company

have you ever heard of the principle: 'vote with your feet'?

also how do you know that her motivation in turning round was 'empathy'? Did she write a quick note before she turned round and was calcified in salt?

I think you're taking it all too literally

They are stories written with double meaning...one for the hoi polloi and one for the cogniscenti. The real question is 'what is the REAL interpretation? intended by the authors?'
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It's like someone invented the Atomic bomb centuries ago before... that place wasn't just destroyed it was obliterated!!.

something happen then whether god aliens or not, nothing about the story makes sense.
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It's like someone invented the Atomic bomb centuries ago before... that place wasn't just destroyed it was obliterated!!.

something happen then whether god aliens or not, nothing about the story makes sense.
many myths don't make sense if you interprete them literally
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:24 PM   #25
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many myths don't make sense if you interprete them literally
I only interprete them literally, because lots of believers do to. These myths are often presented as evidence for some awful beliefs.....
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I only interprete them literally, because lots of believers do to. These myths are often presented as evidence for some awful beliefs.....
And some truly awful actions.
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It's like someone invented the Atomic bomb centuries ago before... that place wasn't just destroyed it was obliterated!!.

something happen then whether god aliens or not, nothing about the story makes sense.
see pompeii and herculaneum, both cities were steeped in perversion and destroyed by "fire and brimstone."
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Old 16-02-2017, 09:01 PM   #28
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I only interprete them literally, because lots of believers do to. These myths are often presented as evidence for some awful beliefs.....
it's alchemical. It's an allegorical story concealing an alchemical process

the pillar of salt, the fire in sodom and gomorrah....all it needs is mercury
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it's alchemical. It's an allegorical story concealing an alchemical process

the pillar of salt, the fire in sodom and gomorrah....all it needs is mercury
Maybe so..... Its certainly a theory.

No reason to use it to justify a present day morality, though.....
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Maybe so..... Its certainly a theory.

No reason to use it to justify a present day morality, though.....
you shouldn't draw morality from it

you should recognise that it is not a real story

it is revealling information for the wise and concealing it from everyone else
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you shouldn't draw morality from it

you should recognise that it is not a real story

it is revealling information for the wise and concealing it from everyone else
I don't. But others do.... In fact, its a major hassle.

Look at the potential split for the Anglican church with whats happened in the past few days.....
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I don't. But others do.... In fact, its a major hassle.

Look at the potential split for the Anglican church with whats happened in the past few days.....
yeah but i don't think the sodom and gomorrah story was the basis for the churches moratorium on bum sex

eg Leviticus 18:22 ESV: ''You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.''

if the liberal faction in the anglican church disagree with what is said in their religion then its not the religion for them

maybe they should set up their own church with their own book that says man on man sex is ok

if they go against all the tenets of their religion they'll find that the religion suddenly evaporates

perhaps that's what some people want as the family unit has been the foundation stone of free market society and the people behind rothschild communism and soros funded progressivism want to remove free markets and replace them with a centrally run technocracy that's run by the rothschilds

the family would be destroyed and replaced with the state

that's their religion and they should create their own church for it and see if anyone attends, but they won't do that; they'll just undermine everything else by subterfuge whilst concealing what their end game is so that people don't choose it but allow it to happen anyway because they bought into its lies
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Old 16-02-2017, 11:22 PM   #33
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yeah but i don't think the sodom and gomorrah story was the basis for the churches moratorium on bum sex

eg Leviticus 18:22 ESV: ''You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.''

if the liberal faction in the anglican church disagree with what is said in their religion then its not the religion for them

maybe they should set up their own church with their own book that says man on man sex is ok

if they go against all the tenets of their religion they'll find that the religion suddenly evaporates

perhaps that's what some people want as the family unit has been the foundation stone of free market society and the people behind rothschild communism and soros funded progressivism want to remove free markets and replace them with a centrally run technocracy that's run by the rothschilds

the family would be destroyed and replaced with the state

that's their religion and they should create their own church for it and see if anyone attends, but they won't do that; they'll just undermine everything else by subterfuge whilst concealing what their end game is so that people don't choose it but allow it to happen anyway because they bought into its lies
Yeah, But Leviticus is full of rules. Most of which, the average believer doesn't give a shit about.

How many christian really care about eating shellfish, or keeping a tidy beard?

Its only when rules become sexual that Christians go apeshit....
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Well, not many towns get a sex act named after them. So it's got that goin' for it.
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People think that sodom and gommorah is an acceptible moral fable. But, it is crawling with inconsistencies.

God had a problem with the citizens of sodom an Gomorrah. Because they where wicked. But no where in the story does it explain how they are 'wicked'.

Its very easy to say its because they are sodomites. Thats to say practiced anal sex. But, we get the that meaning for 'sodomite' because that the biblical interpretation. No where in the story is definition explained!

Also, people prefer to assume that sodomy equals homosexuality. But nowhere in the story does it make a distinction between straight sodamy, and gay sodamy.

Wouldn't it make sense that sodamites where both straight and gay? Afterall, god made no distinction between male and femake. Smiting everyone equally.

God choose one man, Lot, and his family as example of morality. And he sends two angels down.

Having heard this, a gang of sodomites arrive at lots house looking to 'know' his guests. Thats 'know' in the biblical sense. Meaning, in this case, sodamy.

So lot, gods moral champion, turns round and says... 'Do not do so to my guests. I have two daughters, who have never known a man. Do so to them.

So thats the most moral man in sodam..... Advocating the rape of his own virgin daughters.

Anyway. God smote the city. Killing all but Lot's family. Save for lots wife, who gets turned into a pillar of salt. For having the empathy to turn and see the destruction of her neighbours.

Lot and his daughters, then went in to a cave. Is daughters the proceed to get their father drunk. Both taking it in turns to have incestous sex with him.

The book of Leviticus has meny rules. Including rules that are both equally against sodomy and incest. Why did an 'all-powerful' god puinish the sodamites, but not punish lot or is daughters once they had had incestous sex.

That alone makes the morality of the take dubious.....
Does this mean they were using Coke bottles?
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People think that sodom and gommorah is an acceptible moral fable. But, it is crawling with inconsistencies.

God had a problem with the citizens of sodom an Gomorrah. Because they where wicked. But no where in the story does it explain how they are 'wicked'.

Its very easy to say its because they are sodomites. Thats to say practiced anal sex. But, we get the that meaning for 'sodomite' because that the biblical interpretation. No where in the story is definition explained!

Also, people prefer to assume that sodomy equals homosexuality. But nowhere in the story does it make a distinction between straight sodamy, and gay sodamy.

Wouldn't it make sense that sodamites where both straight and gay? Afterall, god made no distinction between male and femake. Smiting everyone equally.

God choose one man, Lot, and his family as example of morality. And he sends two angels down.

Having heard this, a gang of sodomites arrive at lots house looking to 'know' his guests. Thats 'know' in the biblical sense. Meaning, in this case, sodamy.

So lot, gods moral champion, turns round and says... 'Do not do so to my guests. I have two daughters, who have never known a man. Do so to them.

So thats the most moral man in sodam..... Advocating the rape of his own virgin daughters.

Anyway. God smote the city. Killing all but Lot's family. Save for lots wife, who gets turned into a pillar of salt. For having the empathy to turn and see the destruction of her neighbours.

Lot and his daughters, then went in to a cave. Is daughters the proceed to get their father drunk. Both taking it in turns to have incestous sex with him.

The book of Leviticus has meny rules. Including rules that are both equally against sodomy and incest. Why did an 'all-powerful' god puinish the sodamites, but not punish lot or is daughters once they had had incestous sex.

That alone makes the morality of the take dubious.....
Maybe the story isnt just about incest and morality?
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Genesis 19:5... ( words in brackets mine)
"And they ( lads in Sodom) called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know (shag) them."

Some dudes I know would consider that to be a party invitation.
The thing is, if God wanted to destroy a couple of cities back then for homosexuality then you would think that in the modern world barely anything would be left!
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Is it real or is it an allegory for something else?

The holy bible is the helios biblios: the book of the sun. It is the story of the sun.

So when it tells the story of the solar deity jesus dying and resurrecting it is talking about the sun rising each day. It wasn't a man that walked on water, it was the rays of the sun

The bible mirrors itself with the old and new testement but perhaps the new testement is the sun during the day and the old testament is the sun during the night and the various trials and tribulations of the sun in the underworld

Some stories may even be personifications of celestial occurances told as stories that act as memory aids to those in the know but as blinds to the non initiated

It could simply be a case that the cities were destroyed for a very real reason that we cannot now know but then later people have either used it to promote their own moral agenda or just used some moral excuse for why it happened, in absence of the facts.
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Yeah, But Leviticus is full of rules. Most of which, the average believer doesn't give a shit about.

How many christian really care about eating shellfish, or keeping a tidy beard?

Its only when rules become sexual that Christians go apeshit....
you need to distinguish between hygienic, moral and ceremonial law. morality does not change.
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it's alchemical. It's an allegorical story concealing an alchemical process

the pillar of salt, the fire in sodom and gomorrah....all it needs is mercury
there is certainly some alchemy attempted here, of the aleister crowley variety.

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