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Old 12-03-2017, 12:35 PM   #1
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Old 12-03-2017, 03:10 PM   #2
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Could be.
However.. 'Illusion' or not - if you ask any jailed-prisoner to choose between freedom and jail.
They aint gonna choose jail.

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Old 12-03-2017, 04:29 PM   #3
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What about the rest who are imprisoned for sixteen hours a day like we were once treated during our industrial revolution, chained to the rhythm of supply and demand by those who demand.
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Old 12-03-2017, 06:54 PM   #4
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What is freedom? some would say its the choice to live in any way you wish to do but that isnt going to work as that will always cause conflict with somebody, at which point you have to compromise or give way, with a resultant loss of 'freedom'.

People are not really free anyway as they are bound by the conditions of human nature, so are always a prisoner to something or other. Maybe its wiser to just make the best of the situation you are in rather than chasing an abstract ideal? how many wars have been fought over the idea of freedom when thats the last thing it brought?
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What about the rest who are imprisoned for sixteen hours a day like we were once treated during our industrial revolution, chained to the rhythm of supply and demand by those who demand.
And who would that be? I dont know anybody who works 16 hours a day every day, but I do know loads of people who have never done a days work in their lives yet live quite comfortably.
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Old 14-03-2017, 02:17 PM   #6
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What is freedom? some would say its the choice to live in any way you wish to do but that isnt going to work as that will always cause conflict with somebody, at which point you have to compromise or give way, with a resultant loss of 'freedom'.

People are not really free anyway as they are bound by the conditions of human nature, so are always a prisoner to something or other. Maybe its wiser to just make the best of the situation you are in rather than chasing an abstract ideal? how many wars have been fought over the idea of freedom when thats the last thing it brought?
Good call.
More often than not those who start wars or revolutions promising 'freedom' end up as just a new set of bosses if they win and take power.
Way I see freedom is more personal.
Up until early retirement in 2014 I worked a professional job and was ruled by my diary and timetables. I also had 'bosses' some OK, others not so OK.
Was a union rep hence often in conflict with bosses.
Enjoyed the job but it did take up a lot of time and could be quite stressful at times.
Nowadays , from choice not necessity; I work a part time self employed job where I can choose when and how hard I work . No bosses apart from my customers and they are lovely. Odd times I get an awkward one I can just say.. "Sorry but I won't be back."
Freedom , to me; is having the luxury of time to be able to do what I want to do, when I want to do it.
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Old 14-03-2017, 05:24 PM   #7
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And who would that be? I dont know anybody who works 16 hours a day every day, but I do know loads of people who have never done a days work in their lives yet live quite comfortably.
Try one of the leading manufacturers around the world today, China comes to mind.

It also depends on how one terms comfortable.

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Try one of the leading manufacturers around the world today, China comes to mind.

It also depends on how one terms comfortable.
Well they live under a different political class with different rules. Those conditions would be illegal in the UK.
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Well they live under a different political class with different rules. Those conditions would be illegal in the UK.
Rules change as our skills are constantly redistributed, like the rules of our own country began to say it was cruel to lock people in our own factories for 16 hours a day during the 19 century.
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