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Old 15-08-2009, 01:04 PM   #21
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Madame Blavatsky
Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, co-founder of the Theosophical Society, wrote extensively on Gnostic ideas. A complilation of her writings on Gnosticism is over 270 pages long.[3] The first edition of King's The Gnostics and Their Remains was repeatedly cited as a source and quoted in Isis Unveiled.

Blatavsky is connected to Illuminati & New Age movers

I need to read up on Gnosticism - the last 3 letters usually spell trouble
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Old 15-08-2009, 01:16 PM   #22
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Witness statements must be viewed with suspicion, but this suggest a link between Gnosticism and Alesteir Crowley etc.

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In 1999 i attended a so-called Gnostic Mass held in
a so-called lodge of the OTO. I did not partake of
the communion offered there. Upon learning that i
had not done so, a correspondent opined that i may have
been "intimidated" by the ritual. I explained that this
was not the case, and went on to give my reasons for
refusing the so-called eucharist as follows:

As far as i was concerned, most of the ceremony was
more or less a sacralized titty show designed for the
delictation of sexually repressed Victorian and
Edwardian era men. I would have gone along with the
deal, silly though i thought it was, but i could not
in good conscience recite the required affirmation of
belief in the transubstantiation of foods and bodily
excreta into "Baphomet," since, as far as i know, the
whole "Baphomet" obsession of late 19th century
British and French "magical order" members is rooted
in naive acceptance of Eliphas Levi's bad scholarship
Maybe some more learned scholars would like to chip in?

http://sonic.net/yronwode/arcane-arc...ley-hoax-1.php
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Old 15-08-2009, 01:30 PM   #23
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You know CC? Your replies, regardless of subject, always impart a glowing, happy, smiling friendliness that cheers me whether you are responding to me or someone else.

I believe you could stand in a street cussing and swearing but still manage to make people feel better

Thanks.
wise haven, that is just so lovely, i could blush. tracker said nice things almost like that just the other day.

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my mother always said i could make peace in the middle east, lol !!!

glad you appreciate me, because i love all the lovely people here... and very slowly figuring out the one's that are here just to be smart-asses.

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Old 15-08-2009, 01:34 PM   #24
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This article questions the content of the Nag Hammadi library

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The vast majority of the scrolls in the Nag Hammadi library represent the writings of what was/is known as Christian Gnosticism.

The Nag Hammadi library is frequently pointed to as an example of "lost books of the Bible." According to the conspiracy theory, the early Christians tried to destroy these Gnostic writings because they contained secret teachings about Jesus and Christianity. The Nag Hammadi library was supposedly the result of faithful efforts of Gnostic monks to save the truth about Jesus Christ from the persecution of non-Gnostic Christians. The Nag Hammadi scrolls include works known as the gospel of Truth, the gospel of Philip, the apocryphon of John, the apocalypse of Adam, and the acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles. The most famous Nag Hammadi scroll is the only known complete copy of the gospel of Thomas.

So, what are we to make of the Nag Hammadi library? Should some or all of the scrolls be in the Bible? Absolutely not. First, the Nag Hammadi scrolls are forgeries. The Apostle Philip did not write the gospel of Philip. The Apostle Peter did not write the acts of Peter. The gospel of Thomas was not written by the Apostle Thomas. These scrolls were fraudulently written in their names in order to give them legitimacy in the early church.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Nag-Hammadi.html

I think also questioning the actual physical origins of these scrolls is in order, given the dodgy characters and narrative associated with the Dead Sea Scrolls unearthed not 2 years later
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Old 15-08-2009, 01:40 PM   #25
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so Rodin has never heard of the "wtf are the Nags"....

methinks Rodin is getting into hoaxes a little too much. Please OP, try to read some books and stuff, and stop relying on youtube or wherever you get your information.

Wise haven, what a lovely polite answer you had.

hope OP comes back after he has researched and answers you nicely.
Books are available online here's a good one

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Dougl...versy.of.Zion/

what other stuff apart from books should I read? Always willing to learn. Including about the Nag's

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Old 15-08-2009, 01:41 PM   #26
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You post saying the DS scrolls are a hoax - I wonder what your opinion is of the Nag Hammadi (Gnostic gospels) scriptures.....do you think they are a hoax?

Just curious
Well, after some digging I think they probably are a hoax.
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Old 15-08-2009, 01:46 PM   #27
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Scrolls and scriptures, all illumiati tricks to fool the chattle.Llike easter egg hunts and the blessed Santa de Claus, long may he bring presents.
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Old 15-08-2009, 01:48 PM   #28
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Not again!!!

I thought we were going to have a scholarly discussion about the dead sea scrolls and it has turned into another Zionist conspiracy thread.

I'm out of this - You and Runciter always turn it into a Jew bashing thread
stabbed in the back while sleeping, this is how the defamation league works

can i ask you to give some examples of what you're stating, if you're still here, my honest friend?
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Old 15-08-2009, 02:01 PM   #29
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stabbed in the back while sleeping, this is how the defamation league works

can i ask you to give some examples of what you're stating, if you're still here, my honest friend?
Can I ask you not to please, as we don't want this thread derailed?
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Old 15-08-2009, 02:14 PM   #30
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You know CC? Your replies, regardless of subject, always impart a glowing, happy, smiling friendliness that cheers me whether you are responding to me or someone else.
I agree.

The girl has Schweppervescence.

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Old 15-08-2009, 02:34 PM   #31
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Well, after some digging I think they probably are a hoax.

May i ask in your professional opinion whats not a hoax?
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Old 15-08-2009, 02:41 PM   #32
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How come people are willing to look at the authenticity and dating and legitimacy of the Dead Sea Scrolls and yet at the same time ridiculously give a pass to the actual forgeries and fabrications within the Bible itself?
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Old 15-08-2009, 02:56 PM   #33
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Hoaxes happen apparently

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The Priory of Sion was created in 1956 by an eccentric, Pierre Plantard.

Plantard and associate, Philippe de Chérisey, fabricated a series of documents, including Les Dossiers Secrets, and planted them in various French libraries.

The false documents created a false history for the Priory, including a false inception date of 1099 and a false list of members, including Sir IsaacNewton.

Chérisey publicly admitted the documents were forgeries in 1971.

Plantard subsequently admitted they were forgeries as well.

In 1989 Plantard fabricated a new history of the Priory of Sion, now founded in 1681, and supplied a new list of Grand Masters.

Plantard ended up in court in 1993, where he admitted his hoax.
http://www.iamnext.com/spirituality/prioryofsion.html

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May i ask in your professional opinion whats not a hoax?
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Old 15-08-2009, 02:58 PM   #35
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I am provoked into digging deeper into this history fabricated meme.

Does anyone know of the oldest known copies of the New Testament, Old Testament, Torah, Talmud, Koran - known before WW2
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Old 15-08-2009, 03:01 PM   #36
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What's the point in saying they are a hoax when you can still gain wisdom and insight from reading them?

I think we need to pick out what rings true to us from the documents. Also many of the documents that actually supposedly mention "Jesus" just mention IES which can be translated as "the healer" and thus it's hard to really claim they are hoaxes.
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I agree.

The girl has Schweppervescence.
thanks SOL, I did post a reply but it got lost in the universe !!! so now i have come back to say thanks !! the reply is in space somewhere, i tried to find it but it is in outer-space somewhere floating around. i said nice thanks to you, wise one and tracker, for all being nice... it is there somewhere, just cant find it...

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I am provoked into digging deeper into this history fabricated meme.

Does anyone know of the oldest known copies of the New Testament, Old Testament, Torah, Talmud, Koran - known before WW2
Hebrew Bible

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The Aleppo Codex (c. 920 CE) and Leningrad Codex (c. 1008 CE) are the oldest complete Hebrew language manuscripts of the Tanakh. The 1947 find at Qumran of the Dead Sea scrolls pushed the manuscript history of the Tanakh back a millennium from the two earliest complete codices (see Tanakh at Qumran).
wow a millenium the year before Israel was formed.

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The New Testament has been preserved in more manuscripts than any other ancient work, having over 5,700 complete or fragmented Greek manuscripts, 10,000 Latin manuscripts and 9,300 manuscripts in various other ancient languages including Syriac, Slavic, Gothic, Ethiopic, Coptic and Armenian. The dates of these manuscripts range from the 2nd century up to the invention of the printing press in the 15th century.

Now then - is this not odd that, until the DEAD SEA SCROLLS were FOUND IN A CAVE - the New Testament had forensic proof it existed EARLIER than the OLD TESTAMENT.

You would intuitive expect to find older relics of the older book - unless

Could the OLD TESTAMENT be a forgery? Written AFTER the New Testament and somehow tacked on?

The two books could hardly be farther apart - the Old is all about sacrifice, material gain, war, genocide, ...
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Old 15-08-2009, 03:25 PM   #39
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thanks SOL, I did post a reply but it got lost in the universe !!! so now i have come back to say thanks !! the reply is in space somewhere, i tried to find it but it is in outer-space somewhere floating around. i said nice thanks to you, wise one and tracker, for all being nice... it is there somewhere, just cant find it...

I'll just reply by saying "You're welcome" , if only to break up another mind-numbingly boring and pointless Biblical thread.
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thanks SOL, I did post a reply but it got lost in the universe !!! so now i have come back to say thanks !! the reply is in space somewhere, i tried to find it but it is in outer-space somewhere floating around. i said nice thanks to you, wise one and tracker, for all being nice... it is there somewhere, just cant find it...

is there a reliable method to discern true human souls from minions? animals in human form?

this concept reminds me of... oh sorry, i'm derailing the derailment of this thread, again! duh
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