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Old 11-07-2009, 07:52 AM   #1
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The hoax makers or 'circle makers' as they call themselves claim to be able to produce formations of a high standard now. This may be true to some extent - but only when viewed from the air. The above formation looks impressive at first glance, until you read the ground report, which reveals all. It is, like many other known formations, relatively small, compared to some of the more enigmatic ones.

As I've said before, to really appreciate the formations you can't just look at photos on the net, you have to actually visit them and experience them on ground level.

I'm planning to go visiting some around Avebury this weekend. Can't wait!
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Old 11-07-2009, 08:25 AM   #2
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In my oppinion, any one who fakes these things, are showing them selfs to be undercomplete control by whats makeing the Crop Circles. in other words there under there control. an simply replying back. and dont know.

The whole time they think there pulling this big Scam, there actial working for them. them beeing what you call Et which is not. the Earth is old very old.

I believe a Crop circles has no maxium range, altho I say Galaxic, It can be looked at as intergalxic. Some spritialist may have said they think or believe the Dead are part of a Crop Circle, there probly right in some way.

Place's like Stonehenges holed a lot power spritialy, a soul is much easer to transport, then a vessal or a body. but not every one is good enought for Heaven. Certan Goverments, Religion, and Groups who think they gain power, they have painted a rosy image for you to see, all the time pasifing you to the point of head long confussion. With polerizing view points, design to advance humanity as quickly as possable, throw agressive, an passive behaver. This give them a certan amount of control.

The question become < What do they meen good enought)

Also main unknown is, I believe these special places actial sit on what I have or may have discribed as a finger of God.

Leyline come in to this as well, as they use this to travel around on. Now there 2 basic side what man precives as good, an of corce the poler to this is what we call evil, good bad < its realy that simple).

Religions are the warning bells, something going to happen, throw out religus art there allway been a vission of heaven, but if you look behind the angel a truth revils it self.

I have call what you will see the harvers of death. How ever history always speak of a heavenly place where the dead are loved an safe, but continialy we pay these beening, in some way, while this heaven is safe, other are not so luckly. This also very clear in history, I call this the Good the Bad, and the Ugly

Crop Circle created in the shape of a dick, that the sign of the prue Omega. man made or not.

Back to heaven Its said that not every one makes it to heaven. I believe very few of souls throw out the last 2,000 years have made it. The rest fall to the pit, You burn, or are recycle souls, not ready for heaven.

Many peaple have felt unusal things in a Crop circles, some peaple are up lifted others want to puke. Sound like religion and the effects of pro or neg force, mostlikly also posted on this topic.

Now step back, ask your self what is the possibilty humanity would build a fortess in the land of the dead to protect it selfs, what would you call this Fortess. I have said I dont by Aliens come to Earth an If they did Why would god want Aliens nere his children. what would he do if something were about happen, could do anything at all. What would this look like.

step back a bit more, ask your self, could an advance speice of this world, relized the thred an constructed something, humans are useing to protect them self.

The Bible claim Religion comes from another place, other then Earth. Book of Thessalonians

1For yourselves, brethren, know our entrance in unto you, that it was not in vain
1 Thessalonians 2 (New International Version
5You know we never used flattery, nor did we put on a mask to cover up greed—God is our witness. 6We were not looking for praise from men, not from you or anyone else.
As apostles of Christ we could have been a burden to you, 7but we were gentle among you, like a mother caring for her little children. 8We loved you so much that we were delighted to share with you not only the gospel of God but our lives as well, because you had become
so dear to us.


9For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.

10Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:

13For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

14For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

15Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men< Key ALL men )

16Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

17But we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavoured the more abundantly to see your face with great desire.

18Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.

1 Thessalonians 5
2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

How dose Crop Circle fit on to this, its splater all throw the books of truth, I choose this passages, to show contact. of a Force that believe it self to be justifed in whats its doing, to a different speice, be cause there are forces at work we can not under stand < dark force, an it invades all men) As it did with mars. I dont believe they knew what was killing them till the end.

Eden, finger of god, pins in the Earth,Tree of life, Flower of life on an on. Floating Wheels.

Crop Circles there contact points, it was in the passed like it is now.

I look at the aztec calendar, how long has it been here, and well look at how long its taken there Specialist to come up with any other then prue speculation. It a dream stone, even the dream him self didnt understand what he was doing.

Crop Circles are the same way. why because if some one did pin them down powerful peaple would use it for them selfs < that would be GREED) WE all lost the game.

We ask our self why is there wars why all the killings, MEN = Satan, not a man. not just Men but ALL men.

We have to step passed our self in order to understand, these words

It better to Rule in hell then Rain in Heaven.

An satan said to God I can make any one disbelieve in you god. That easy if your curse an blinded.
This happening right now in the Holy lands, on all sides.
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t is likely that these geometric designs are due to the firing of an aerial military microwave cannon, piloted by computer. The arguments supporting this view are as follows:

Why Microwaves:


Research by Dr Levengood (of BLT Research Team), an American biophysicist, corroborated by the analyses of Ken Larsen, a British biologist, has shown that the way in which the stalks (wheat, rapeseed…) are flattened without being broken or damaged [p. 25…] is typical of a UHF microwave effect. Thus one can see stalks of rapeseed curving at 90 degrees, the flowers of which are still intact, although those same rapeseed stalks break easily when one attempts to bend them over by hand [p. 151]. The new position taken up by the plant becomes fixed. It continues to grow horizontally [p. 3 and 158] and breaks if one tries to return it to the upright position [p. 140].



Phenomena of electromagnetic origin have been observed at the locations: irregular compass behaviour [p. 172], disturbance of electrical apparatus [p. 44, 60 and 172-173], disturbance of radio frequencies, luminous flashes [p. 34, 52, 65 and 95], cracking sounds [p. 52, 63, 66 and 172-173], animals obviously unwell [p. 65 and 81], dowsing effects [p. 177-178], etc. Numerous positive effects (spontaneous cures, feelings of peace…) or negative effects (temporary paralysis, mental confusion, loss of memory, terror…) have also been observed in humans [LP98]. Let us remember that certain effects could also be explained by a reaction of fertilisers or pesticides subjected to microwave radiation, a reaction which could release toxic gases [LP98, who mentions organic phosphates]. The appearances of luminous flashes and the cracking sounds are not inevitably objective phenomena and they could be only feelings induced in the brain of the witness by an electromagnetic field. Albert Budden gives an example of such magnetophosphenes: "If the brain of the subject is exposed to an [alternating] magnetic field whose frequency varies from 10 to 100 Hz and whose power varies from 200 to 1,000 G, the subject will see flashes of light [...] in the top left corner of his visual field." [AB98 p. 59-60, citing research by L. Ruttan, M. Persinger and S. Koren].



The investigator Busty Taylor showed that samples of plants or ground taken in a crop circle could be attracted by a simple magnet [AB98 p. 50-51]. That could be explained by the fact that the ferromagnetic particles present in the dust of the atmosphere were bound with the site of the circle, after or during its creation. Some of these particles have been scrutinised under microscope. They seemed to have melted when touching the soil or the plants to create a fine cracked glaze.



A bird was found within one particular formation and its body appeared literally to have exploded, as if it had been cooked alive in a microwave oven. In other formations some dried out hedgehogs were discovered [LP98]. Also wheat grains are dehydrated and crunchy. They are less conductive according to work by Dr Levengood.



Microwave laser technology appeared during the 50s and has been improving in keeping with the increasing complexity of the crop circles. Is it a mere coincidence?



More than 50% of the circles observed in England have appeared during cloudy or rainy weather: the cloud cover would allow the origin of the microwave firing to be hidden. Microwaves are able to pass through clouds and act through falling rain, and they are perhaps less damaging to plants when it is raining.



Certain patterns suggest the use of a rotating beam with variable diameter according to the circles in question [PDCA89 p. 156], which might correspond to either the natural or deliberate dispersion of a maser beam, fired from a high altitude. The diameter is estimated to be less than 30 centimetres at a distance of 20 kilometres.

Why by Computer:


The geometric designs observed today are typical of those one can see on computers: 3D designs, fractal designs… Certain patterns are, mathematically speaking, pretty complex (fig. 5-b).




Fig. 5-b: a few of the pictograms observed in England



The designs are drawn very rapidly, by day and by night, sometimes in front of witnesses who report seeing the ears of wheat flattening out in front of them in a few dozens of seconds. Three accounts of this type have been recorded up to the present day, coming from known and trustworthy witnesses [LP98]. Numerous other accounts have come from unfortunately less trustworthy persons.

Why an Aerial Shooting:


There are no traces of access to the sites even when the field is not lined by tractor tracks because the crop is not sprayed, or when the ground is muddy [PDCA89 p. 68, 107, 113 and 155]. We must remember that a field of mature rapeseed cannot be crossed on foot because the plants (as high as 1,50 metres) are tightly interwoven.



There are sometimes broken or burned tree branches directly above the circles [p. 174 and 184].

Why by the Military:


HPM (High Power Microwave) technology is used by the military today for destroying enemy electronic equipment.



President Reagan’s "Star Wars" (SDI) proposed the setting up of various antimissile laser devices. Let us mention only the GBL (Ground-Based Laser), a ground cannon aimed at a reflecting satellite which sends the light beam to a combat satellite mirror, and the SBL (Space-Based Laser) which aims directly at the target. Even if the global project has been abandoned, some of its devices may have been completed on a small scale. The firing can also be carried out from a plane (airborne laser) or a dirigible balloon positioned at a height of 20 kilometres and stabilised for example by ionic propulsion engines. As the reader will appreciate, the necessary technical means appear to be accessible only to the military.



In 1991, a design appeared in front of the country residence of the British Prime Minister John Major, pointing towards the house. Obviously this dwelling was under strict surveillance because of a fear of IRA terrorist acts. What other organisation apart from the secret services would be behind such a design? Numerous crop circles have also been observed in fenced military areas under surveillance.



The military wish to maintain the belief in extraterrestrials and are carrying out psychological warfare tests. They have the means for decoying the observers with fake saucers so that the circles will be attributed to extraterrestrials.



The military secret services are not held back by the risk of killing. Unfortunately the "circles" have already produced one victim: on the 22nd October 1987, as his jet was passing above a crop circle, the pilot ejected and then detached himself from his parachute before hitting the ground [cf PDCA89 p. 104]. Some aerial photographers report that the designs have a noticeable influence on them and on the aircraft controls when it is flying above them.



The British military is co-operating extensively with the American military and may have agreed to the use of "its" land.

The authentic formations have, of course, lead to numerous imitations which were at first rare and clumsy but nowadays are more common and sometimes impressive if the hoaxers have worked as a team for long hours. Competitions have been organised but no hoax has been able to withstand close scrutiny.

In order to distinguish an authentic pattern from a hoax, investigators concentrate mainly on the bending of the plant's stalk at its base, the plant having always to remain unbroken, something which imitators find impossible to achieve as they tread down their design in all directions during its making. Freddy Silva sometimes uses infrared photography on which one must see appear traces of disturbances in the spread of water within the soil if the design has really been created by heat-inducing rays. Debbie Benstead and other researchers often clearly identify a metallic taste in their mouths when they walk within an authentic formation [LP98] which could be due to a residual electromagnetic field interfering with tooth filling inside their mouth.

In 1991, according to research by George Wingfield, the CIA and the British Ministry of Defence secretly persuaded two retired gentlemen, David Chorley and Douglas Bower, to declare that they were the authors of the crop circles that had been observed to date, without providing evidence to support their statement. When this explanation became clearly insufficient, some agricultural students then made their appearance claiming they were making the circles. Now that it is almost admitted that microwaves are involved, are we to see appear in the media a group of scientist hoaxers who make designs in the fields from their telecommunications satellite?
oh yeah the formation has such meaning , it explains blaa blaa blaa UFO blaa blaa blaa

hmm why don`t these aliens beam up the corn and make weetobixs ?

or fry a bank and nick the gold? or some other resource ?
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so you agree most are hoaxes or man made via microwave technology then?
no, i think aliens spend their time drawing crudely drawn cocks in corn fields
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yeah aliens only want to communicate to them on a higher consciousness then
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t is likely that these geometric designs are due to the firing of an aerial military microwave cannon, piloted by computer. The arguments supporting this view are as follows:

Why Microwaves:


WHY would the military want to do this ?,WHY draw attention to your self if this technology is secret??What possible motives would they have.Why not do it on some restricted land far away from the public eye.
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t is likely that these geometric designs are due to the firing of an aerial military microwave cannon, piloted by computer. The arguments supporting this view are as follows:

Why Microwaves:


WHY would the military want to do this ?,WHY draw attention to your self if this technology is secret??What possible motives would they have.Why not do it on some restricted land far away from the public eye.

I think its a tactic to use seemingly to use technology outwith belief and culture to subvert peoples beliefs

Its be used in the past.
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When Thomas Harriot was left at a New World colony by Sir Walter Raleigh in 1586, it was partly his duty to bring civilisation to the Native Americans (then referred to as Indians). As civilisation was purportedly impossible without Christianity, this was to be imposed upon the Native Americans. Harriot documented two relevant observations in his Brief and True Report of the New Found Land of Virginia. Firstly, that the natives had a degree of religion to their culture of which Harriot drew parallels to Christianity. Secondly, he noticed that everyday non-divine objects caused the natives to believe in the divinity of the invaders, noting

"Most things they saw with us, as mathematical instruments, sea compasses, the virtue of the lodestone in drawing iron, a perspective glass whereby was shown many strange sights, burning glasses, wildfire works, gun, book, writing and reading, spring clocks that seemed to go off by themselves, and many other things that we had, were so strange unto them and so far exceeded their capabilities to comprehend the reason and means how they should be made and done that they thought they were rather the works of gods than of men, or at the leastwise they had been given and taught us of the gods"[2]

It would seem that Harriot used this to impose Christianity upon the natives. At one point, as the native crop was scarce one year, Harriot suggested that the Christian God would provide better for their land.[3] Thus the Subversion was Produced and Contained.
bit ironic it mentions crops....but there again I am a lucky fucker

advanced Microwave technology is not outside my belief or culture
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A real Crop Circle contain huge amount of information, its not just 1 image. they dimesionial, it why my Copy rights are the way they are. it a new world.

U see thess circles as a cool image, but not as there ment to be seen.

Take cydonia, wonderfull place, full of information that cant be accessed. It revile how man is seen, who an what we are, what happens after death, an much more. + who's watching us.

enought informattion to fill the library of congress over an over, not including techno advancement, just earth history, in other words, any thing going agaist something like God, will be identifed in history.

As I said a Crop Circle has no range limit, each real one can ineffect and effect the whole world.

A Crop Circle can be translated. The replies can be translated.

I can only say, that it is the low end of the studdie group for me, but could become leeding edge studies, an altho I have not translated any or many of these Glyphs, I can do it, np.
They are contected to the Earth an Air sprites < these are Great Sprites, this mean I can read it, and understand it) fragments of sprite of Gods< 1 ), self.

More then a few this Glyph state we should run. I'm a human, I wont run from man or beast. an this my world, not there's. This is an invadsion of privacy, an invadsion of the human mind set, an invadsion, of humanity rights to govern them selfs, Its invadsion of the body an of the soul for all men. be he religus or not.

For me its can these little shits justif there action, Or do kill them on site, wing an halos or pitch forks an horns. makes no differnce to me. I know who God is.

A conman never stops smiling.

I hope this helps. when I find a the right serie Crop Glyphs, I will read them. Crops are part of the Forest Sprite.

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Its a hoax they obvisly went up the tractor track on the right and jump to form the top bit of jizz then jump to make the other..

Differently young farmers with string and a plank of wood!


also they have used the tractor tracks to form the shaft....and also used to scale then balls
in fact is there not a footpath to the center of each ball? must of stood there with string and somebody marked out the curve at the other end


if you look at the width of the tractor treads as a guide its not hard to under stand somebody could of easily jumped that far into the top jizz shape
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Wrong. It doesn't explain how they did the jizz drops.
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Wrong. It doesn't explain how they did the jizz drops.
I think you should of been a bit of jizz shot into space
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I think you should of been a bit of jizz shot into space

So you can't explain it. If you can't explain it how can you conclude that it was done by stompers?
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Wrong. It doesn't explain how they did the jizz drops.
The tractor tyre lines are 2metres max. The distance from tyre line to jizz is no more than 1.5metres....easily jumperble or even easier with a set of standard step ladders......its someone pissing about.
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The tractor tyre lines are 2metres max. The distance from tyre line to jizz is no more than 1.5metres....easily jumperble or even easier with a set of standard step ladders......its someone pissing about.
Yes I know they could jump in from a tractor, but how do they get back out?
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they pole vaulted across from the top of the knob


or did commando style

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Yes I know they could jump in from a tractor, but how do they get back out?
Jump ! it would be easy,or as ive said step ladders.
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they pole vaulted across from the top of the knob
Rubbish. You say its hoaxers but you can't explain how they did it. You are just making wild assumptions with no evidence.
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Jump ! it would be easy,or as ive said step ladders.

But if they jumped out from stepladders, how did they get the stepladders out after them? Eh?
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But if they jumped out from stepladders, how did they get the stepladders out after them? Eh?
Your mucking about arn,t you ? Step ladder form an A frame,you can simply place them in position,climb over,do the deed,cimb back over and lift them back from your original position.Try it.
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