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Old 18-11-2011, 01:07 PM   #41
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Question What gets me on this Image? Moon Rover trackes??

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...l_close-up.JPG
The above wheel has thin plate tracks incapable of leaving normal car tyre tracks
Furthermore the wheel is rounded, the tracks we see are flat
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...5-85-11403.jpg
This is what gets me on this Image?

1) The track just ends up in nothingness?

2) Or did they just gone in reverse & were able to exactly follow there track backward without any double patten anywhere?

3) Or did they lifted the rover on the end & placed it exactly back into the track to return the same way they came? >>>>
But this surely should result in a criss cross patten on return?

4) If the tire patten strips are the real deal they are truly in a 90° patten formation fixed to the tire & looking very thin (2 → 3mm max strips); also being a rounded tire should decrees the 90° visual patten at the ground at places where the rover bounces?
Look how deep the track patten is more then 3mm I say?

But the patten angle should never increases the original angle patten to (110°120°) no matter if the tire would be flat ....... Yes/No?

5) Or is it just one more simple synagogue of Satan miracle?

Well selling the public a illusion makes the synagogue of Satan billions of $$$$ into there pockets from taxpayers usury money! >>> Always follow the money when it comes to the Satan cabal!



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Old 18-11-2011, 01:14 PM   #42
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your the problem acting like a spoilt child, filling the forum with moon threads, showing off , trying to get attention, and asking what my problem is as if your acting reasonable, stop being selfish, answer the question HOW MANY MOON THREADS DO YOU NEED ?
How many Apollo Hoax threads have i personally started?
Go to my profile and have a count.
The answer is just this one
Now please stop bugging me and go and pick on someone else.
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Old 18-11-2011, 01:24 PM   #43
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This is what gets me on this Image?

1) The track just ends up in nothingness?
Variable terrain, same thing happens on Earth. In some cases the terrain dips slightly and the track is no longer in sight. In some cases the angle of the camera to the Sun simply doesn't highlight it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QOI3GUbcrI

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5) Or is it just one more simple synagogue of Satan miracle?
So NASA is controlled by Jews worshipping the devil The missions were carried out by people, lots of them, all working as a huge team with a goal.

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Old 18-11-2011, 02:30 PM   #44
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So NASA is controlled by Jews worshipping the devil The missions were carried out by people, lots of them, all working as a huge team with a goal.
Huge team of paid off pimps employers with a Huge goal of this >>>>> Yes!
What could money not buy in this World?


The synagogue of Satan is not only made up by Fiat-Jews; there are many involved getting there share of the scam .....
Important is that the public pays the bill by there taxes as always!


THE NASA STORY

"GOALS"
The Goals begin and end rather perdictably. The meat is in the middle:
" As we pursue our mission, we will enrich our Nation's society and economy. We will communicate our unique information to increase knowledge, understanding, and application of science and technology. We will contribute to a better life for this and future generations."
At this point I began to conclude that there was a substantial gap between my recent experience of Nasa and it's stated Mission and Goals. My very next clue regarding this "gap" came from below:


So what is the situation with Nasa's use of the term. How does Nasa define "customer"? What Nasa clearly does is to take our $13.7 billion of tax dollars each year, gives it to the scientific and educational communities, private industry, and other governmental agencies (guess who), and then... Nasa calls these people "customers". (Please stay with me on this for one more step.) Nasa expects these "customers" who they have given the $13.7 to, to then shower their appreciation on the unwashed masses out here; you and me. So let's follow the logic: Someone comes into our store, gives us money, we say "Go get it yourself", and walk into the alley behind the store, and lavish our appreciation on the guys in the delivery trucks?


"Statement of Operations and Changes in Net Position" "For the Year Ended September 30, 1995"

This is a very sophisticated financial document, and I was frankly amazed and impressed that a government agency actually prepared such a report. And it had exactly what I was looking for; a breakdown of incoming revenues by source. On a 1995 Budget of $13.5 billion you and I contributed $12.9 billion, private industry $56.8 million, other (intra) governmental agencies (mostly Dept. of Defense) $613.3 million, and then a few minor ends and outs. Basically this means that we fund 95.0%, private industry 0.4%, and the Department of Defense 4.5%. We were still in the drivers seat.

I then decided to look into what NASA says about itself and was particularly intereseted in their stated plan to manage their "External Enviroment":


This closed system of mutual benefit that operates between Congress, the Administration, Nasa, and it's contracters is the same situation that has existed for years in the now famous Industrial-Military-Complex that we were first warned about by President Eisenhower. How he ever stayed alive, I'll never know. The Industrial-Military-Complex, however, has always had the benefit of the "TOP SECRET" veil to shield it's operations from public view. In fact, it now seems that Nasa has adopted the very same conditions of secrecy as the military. And once again the Nasa wordsmiths had to find a term to replace "TOP SECRET" because we know that Nasa is mandated as an agency committed to "peaceful activities for the benefit of all humankind", and "TOP SECRET" just doesn't work in that context. The word that they came up with is none other than our old friend "Proprietary".

I can't begin to guess how many times in my thirty years of business experience that I've heard the word proprietary used in it's true meaning. Imagine a conference room with attorneys, CPA's, investment bankers, and business executives holding a high level conversation from a place of trust. Imagine further that the conversation centers around a free flowing question and answer session intended to lead to a joint venture of mutual benefit. Someone invariably, and unintentionaly, asks a question that is considered to be proprietary by the other side. What does the person being asked say in response; TOP SECRET, I'm not going to tell you, or take a flying leap? Obviously not. They simply say, "I'm sorry but that is proprietary", and everyone understands. Further the term is one that is used in my experience, by honorable, ethical, persons to succesfully conduct honorable, ethical, business. Nasa's use of the word proprietary is a corruption that is unconscionable. From this time forward you should always translate any use of the word "proprietary" by Nasa to mean "TOP SECRET". There is no other possible definition.

We will need to ponder on the question of why Nasa seems to be appearing so much like a military operation. There are, however, a few preliminary clues. If you "scratch" a Nasa contracter you'll find a Department of Defense contracter. If you look at who really runs Nasa (and it isn't the political appointee, Goldin) we find that the "Associate Deputy Administrator" (read CEO) is General John R. Daily former number two man in the US Marine Corps and a Washington D.C., "inside the Beltway" pro.

It's the same old military gang folks; with the Cold War over, they've just moved over to this agency devoted to "peaceful purposes for all of humankind". The capture of Nasa by the US Military is probably the greatest coup in all of military history. And by the way, there is no such thing as a retired US Marine Corp General. Once a Marine always a Marine, and once inside the Beltway always inside the Beltway.

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Old 18-11-2011, 02:56 PM   #45
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Those of you who "believe" or or have an "opinion" that the moon landings were faked need to put your truth SEEKER hats on and learn to identify blatant lies.




What makes more sense: The subject of this image was magically lowered into scene and photographed for no apparent reason? Or that he has turned around and is now facing back the way he came?

Analyze the claim presented instead of unquestioningly swallowing the prechewed conclusion. Do the research and think for yourself.



The outer covering of the space craft is not the space craft. The claim above is equivalent to saying humans are made of nylon:


Analyze the claim presented instead of unquestioningly swallowing the prechewed conclusion. Do the research and think for yourself.

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Jack White (the originator of the image "analysis" above) would like you to believe that he has studied the LM thoroughly. His analysis above is intensely flawed. The "package" shown is not big enough to be the rover, because it ISN'T the rover, but the Modular Equipment Storage Assembly (MESA) in "Quad 4," to the left of the ladder. The Rover was stored in Quad 1, to the right of the ladder. Jack White is confused which quad is which and refuses to admit he was wrong.

And Stelios doesn't know enough to realize he has been lied to. Don't make that mistake yourself.

Analyze the claim presented instead of unquestioningly swallowing the prechewed conclusion. Do the research and think for yourself.


The moon landings might very well have been faked, but the "evidence" presented ALL is dependent on lack of scientific training, lack of historical knowledge, or gullible, unquestioning acceptance of flat-out lies.

Are a Truth Seeker? Ask questions about claims presented on any subject. Think for yourself. Don't believe what I've told you, but go do the research for yourself.

If anyone can prove me wrong I'd love to see it.
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Old 18-11-2011, 04:10 PM   #46
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I agree that Jarrah has a talent, his videos are very slick and persuasive. The thing is there are plenty of video replies on youtube which, although not as slick, demonstably prove that pretty much all his assertions are simply wrong. Many of these have been posted on the moon threads here but are usually dismissed without explanation or just ignored. Why? What's the point of doing that?

I think a lot of the moon hoax stuff is persuasive because a lot of it seems to make sense but the truth is often counter-intuitive.

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And look at how this flag is blasted by the liftoff exhaust, yet still remains standing!
The moons surface is supposed to be covered by an inch or two of fine dust, with gravel just underneath, but if the flagpole was stuck in loose gravel it should be blown over!
Obviously it's planted in a hole drilled in a solid concrete hangar floor under a thin layer of cosmetic dust.
And look how near the flag is to the spacecraft, no astronaut in his right mind would plant it so close knowing it'd be blasted by the violent exhaust, unless he KNEW it wouldn't get blown down because it's stuck in a hole in concrete..

VID: LEM LIFTOFF-
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And look at how this flag is blasted by the liftoff exhaust, yet still remains standing!
The moons surface is supposed to be covered by an inch or two of fine dust, with gravel just underneath, but if the flagpole was stuck in loose gravel it should be blown over!
Obviously it's planted in a hole drilled in a solid concrete hangar floor under a thin layer of cosmetic dust.
And look how near the flag is to the spacecraft, no astronaut in his right mind would plant it so close knowing it'd be blasted by the violent exhaust, unless he KNEW it wouldn't get blown down because it's stuck in a hole in concrete..

VID: LEM LIFTOFF- http://youtu.be/LppU2Dy0pOk
Here's a video of how that flag was planted:


The bottom part of the rod was put firmly into place with a hammer, the top part mounted on top of that. I can certainly see why the flag didn't fall over. Can you?
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And look at how this flag is blasted by the liftoff exhaust, yet still remains standing!
The moons surface is supposed to be covered by an inch or two of fine dust, with gravel just underneath, but if the flagpole was stuck in loose gravel it should be blown over!

And look how near the flag is to the spacecraft, no astronaut in his right mind would plant it so close knowing it'd be blasted by the violent exhaust, unless he KNEW it wouldn't get blown down because it's stuck in a hole in concrete..

VID: LEM LIFTOFF- http://youtu.be/LppU2Dy0pOk
You said that already...

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost....postcount=1983

1/ As I said in reply to this before, the surface is solid enough a few inches below.

2/ Planting it so close has no drawbacks once they have left. The heat and cold would perish the nylon after a few months anyway.

3/ He banged the retaining pole in about 12-18 inches.

4/ A thin flagpole would not necessarily be pushed over at that distance. Apollo 11 launch did that,one reason why they included retaining poles on other missions.

Filmed on the 16mm camera mounted on the MESA

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Obviously it's planted in a hole drilled in a solid concrete hangar floor under a thin layer of cosmetic dust.
But you said you were 95% certain the other missions weren't faked


I see bert got there just before me

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How many Apollo Hoax threads have i personally started?
Go to my profile and have a count.
The answer is just this one
Now please stop bugging me and go and pick on someone else.
you have posted on all of them, continuously, the only reason the forum is being swamped with them is because of you and your agenda of man didn't go to the moon, when the mod merged some the other day you then bought some out of retirement, WHY, no one else acts like you do, its pathetic, your lame excuse that you only started 1 thread doesn't wash with me, its been going on too long, and you know what your doing so don't come it with me and try and worm your sorry self out of it, If you act with decorum then I will, were talking about forum etiquette.
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you have posted on all of them, continuously, the only reason the forum is being swamped with them is because of you and your agenda of man didn't go to the moon, when the mod merged some the other day you then bought some out of retirement, WHY, no one else acts like you do, its pathetic, your lame excuse that you only started 1 thread doesn't wash with me, its been going on too long, and you know what your doing so don't come it with me and try and worm your sorry self out of it, If you act with decorum then I will, were talking about forum etiquette.
Bump up the thread its all good stuff, I know you cant help yourself.
What side of the fence are you then, and what are the main points that sway you that way ?
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you have posted on all of them, continuously, the only reason the forum is being swamped with them is because of you and your agenda of man didn't go to the moon, when the mod merged some the other day you then bought some out of retirement, WHY, no one else acts like you do, its pathetic, your lame excuse that you only started 1 thread doesn't wash with me, its been going on too long, and you know what your doing so don't come it with me and try and worm your sorry self out of it, If you act with decorum then I will, were talking about forum etiquette.
Oh the life of a shill....Those pesky people questioning things and making you get your 'big book o' bullshit' out?

Who do they think they are eh? Have you told them porn doesn't watch itself?

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Bump up the thread its all good stuff, I know you cant help yourself.
What side of the fence are you then, and what are the main points that sway you that way ?
you know nothing about me you freak, why do you lot want the whole forum for moon threads, sado's, how many god damn moon threads can you lot post on ? is it a juvenile competition your engaged in with an I don't care about anything else attitude. the same knobs posting the same boring flannel, you just post among yourselfs and know one takes an interest, get real and grow up, who rattled your cage anyway I wasn't even referring to you, just jump in as you do and spout crap, why don't you and your mate e.mail each other and let the forum have some relief from all this moon madness.
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you know nothing about me you freak, why do you lot want the whole forum for moon threads, sado's, how many god damn moon threads can you lot post on ? is it a juvenile competition your engaged in with an I don't care about anything else attitude. the same knobs posting the same boring flannel, you just post among yourselfs and know one takes an interest, get real and grow up, who rattled your cage anyway I wasn't even referring to you, just jump in as you do and spout crap, why don't you and your mate e.mail each other and let the forum have some relief from all this moon madness.
Its, no one.

So youve become your avatar and taken on the grumpy bugger persona.
There is a Edit Ignore List facility in the user control panel, apollo gonom rates it and says its improved his DI forum experience. Why not give it a whirl ?


You didnt say what side of the fence you are and why that is. When posting it would help if you included something on topic.



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I strongly suspect the moon landings to have been faked. I have no scientific background (apart from an O-Level in Biology obtained in 1986!), so I'm not completely confident saying that, but the technology of the 1960s was surely not that advanced...
Yes, even the computers they had then were stone age junk!
And I suspect that when they faked it all, they never dreamt that one day we'd all be able to analyse their photos and vids in fine detail on the internet frame by frame..
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you have posted on all of them, continuously, the only reason the forum is being swamped with them is because of you and your agenda of man didn't go to the moon, when the mod merged some the other day you then bought some out of retirement, WHY, no one else acts like you do, its pathetic, your lame excuse that you only started 1 thread doesn't wash with me, its been going on too long, and you know what your doing so don't come it with me and try and worm your sorry self out of it, If you act with decorum then I will, were talking about forum etiquette.
You've got to feel a bit sorry for stelios. He's obviously obsessed with his moon hoax fairy tale.

I think he keeps bumping threads and started the poll because he's tired of getting his ass whooped by the believers and wants some more of his HB's to join him in his fantasies.
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Yes, even the computers they had then were stone age junk!
And you know this because?

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And I suspect that when they faked it all, they never dreamt that one day we'd all be able to analyse their photos and vids in fine detail on the internet frame by frame..
.... and come up with bugger all apart from ignorant claims and misleading hogwash.

The one poor stelios was fooled by cracks me up every time....



Obviously Stelios only walks forward and hasn't realised all the time he's been on planet earth that the body can actually turn around and walk back the way it came.

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you know nothing about me you freak, why do you lot want the whole forum for moon threads, sado's, how many god damn moon threads can you lot post on ? is it a juvenile competition your engaged in with an I don't care about anything else attitude. the same knobs posting the same boring flannel, you just post among yourselfs and know one takes an interest, get real and grow up, who rattled your cage anyway I wasn't even referring to you, just jump in as you do and spout crap, why don't you and your mate e.mail each other and let the forum have some relief from all this moon madness.
quit! spamming / hijacking the thread with your drivel..
if you don't like moon discussions GOOD move on, it's your choice to do so...if others decide to have
moon discussions end up creating more traffic in the website (forum section) then it's their choice to
do so as well.........

what you're doing is equivalent to saying "i don't like ghays & lezbos" in a conversation that doesn't
concern you-- nor your non ghey non lezbian input..

my point here is, BE GHAY MY FRIEND AND JOIN THE MOON PARTY.
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You've got to feel a bit sorry for stelios. He's obviously obsessed with his moon hoax fairy tale.

I think he keeps bumping threads and started the poll because he's tired of getting his ass whooped by the believers and wants some more of his HB's to join him in his fantasies.
no I don't feel sorry for him, I feel he's taking the piss to be quite frank, there is no need for this amount of moon threads, and he told me to go back to my reptilians, I have never posted anything on a reptilian thread, nope don't feel sorry for him, a dead horse has been flogged when it comes to the moon.
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quit! spamming / hijacking the thread with your drivel..
if you don't like moon discussions GOOD move on, it's your choice to do so...if others decide to have
moon discussions end up creating more traffic in the website (forum section) then it's their choice to
do so as well.........

what you're doing is equivalent to saying "i don't like ghays & lezbos" in a conversation that doesn't
concern you-- nor your non ghey non lezbian input..

my point here is, BE GHAY MY FRIEND AND JOIN THE MOON PARTY.
I cup a guff at your remark lol
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