16-01-2010, 10:24 PM #201 lightgiver Senior Member   Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Inactive Posts: 36,483 Likes: 237 (190 Posts) 12x12 How did the “Golden Mean” come to be? Someone who had nothing better to do than to “observe” the obvious “saw” Math in Nature. You shall “see” that Nature has only one (1) Square number (144) 12 x 12 = 144, which is Pure Math Harmony Vertically and Horizontally (which are “sound pitch changes” in an Octave). But, you “see” that the progression of “Time and Repetition” Squares repeat only once in Nature and that is “exactly” at the 12th “cumulative” repetition of expansion. (12 x 12 or 89 plus (+) 55 = 144). and maybe that's where the 144,000 pops up from I know you should “see” 6 Triangles on the outside of the Star of David, and 1 (Hexagon) (6 Triangles) on the inside. The total number of sides on the outside = 12; and the total of sides in the middle (Hexagon) = 12 sides Each line that intersects an adjacent line segment is either (.382) or (.681) (“Golden Mean”) of the total distance in a direction. Number 12 Symbolism, 12 Meaning and Numerology: http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu12.php The number twelve is symbolic of the creation of the universe as it represents the division or fractionating of unity (God) into twelve individual distinct vibrations or tones. This is most readily seen in music. http://www.sacredscience.com/ferrera/numbertwelve.htm Another notion of numbers may be arrived at by observing the way numbers seem to recur in various aspects of the world. For example, many cultures observed that there was 12 to 13 moon cycles in a year. The number 12 became symbolic of a complete cycle and 13 symbolic in some cases as an excess. Twelve Olympians Last edited by lightgiver; 16-01-2010 at 10:42 PM.
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Oh and not forgetting

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ha... yeah all those img's disappeared out of that post for some reason and the one with the map on the mc1r post and another

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I am sure they will pop up again,happens to the vids now and then,

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Tribe of Dan. lightgiver takes over another thread. Gross.
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Excuse me.

Tribe of Dan

Israel's Biggest Nightmare?

Could the tribe of Dan have gone to Greece via Lebanon and later to Rome?
According to the ancient Greek "story" the Iliad by Homer, the founder of Troy was named Dardanus. Dardanus had a son named Erichthonius, who had a son named Tros, who was the namesake of the ancient Trojans and of their capital city of Troy.

Tros has three sons, Ilus, Ganymede, and Assaracus. Priam. the reigning kink of the Trojans, was of the line of Ilus. Aeneas, founder of the Roman Empire, was a prince of the royal house of Assaracus. Ganymede was the great-grandson of Dardanus. According to Homer's Iliad (Book V), Zeus kidnapped the prince, Ganymede. Zeus wanted Ganymede to be a special cup-bearer to the gods (which may be a clue to the origin of the legend of the so-called Holy Grail).

The Iliad does not relate how Zeus carried off Ganymede, but there is an ancient Roman mosaic showing Ganymede, the Trojan prince, being carried off by Zeus, who had taken the form of an eagle. Here is a possible clue to connect the progenitors of the ancient Trojans with the tribe of Dan, who had adopted the eagle as their insignia.

Zeus was sometimes pictured as an eagle, but at other times he was pictured as a serpent to whom offerings of honey were made. Here appears yet another clue. We have the symbol of a snake (the first insignia of Dan) to whom offerings of honey were made!! The honey could be a reference to the bees in Samson's riddle. Over the centuries some of the Spartans (earlier populated by Trojans) and Trojans migrated to southern France, and into Germany. In the Apocryphal book I Maccabees there is an account about the Spartans of southern Greece claiming they were related to the Jewish people and were, in fact, the stock of Abraham.

A letter from the king of the Spartans to the Jewish high priest in Jerusalem is most revealing:

"Areus, king of the Spartans, to Onias, the high priest, greetings. It has been discovered in a document concerning the Spartans and Jews that they are brothers, and are of the race of Abraham" (I Maccabees 12:20-21). The first century Historian Flavius Josephus also records this letter in his writings. Four symbols are used in the Bible concerning the Danites; a serpent, an eagle, a lion, and the bees. In the story of Samson we find the famous riddle of the bees who made honey in the carcass of a lion which had been killed by Samson. The symbolic nature of the bees could represent the concept that the descendents of the tribe of Dan would one day try to bring about the destruction of the tribe of Judah, whose symbol was the lion. Of interest, throughout the centuries, the Merovingian (European) royalty have for centuries been tied to the symbol of bees.

When Moses gave his prophecies of the 12 tribes, he said that Benjamin would "dwell between the shoulders of Judah" (Deuteronomy 33:12), and that Dan, "as a lion's whelp, would leap from Bashan" (Deuteronomy 33:22). Bashan was located in ancient Lebanon. That Mosaic prediction came to pass when the tribe of Dan was deprived of its territory adjacent to Judah, moved north to Lebanon, and established its territory in Bashan. From there the Danites made a symbolic leap into obscurity (Europe; Germany? Denmark? Danube River? Irish Tuatha de Danann? Rome? Greece?).

In Judges 18 the tribe of Dan established an idolatrous religion - the worship of the sun and moon.

http://bibleprobe.com/lost.htm

Still waiting for yours GS,

UGH Gross you sound like a baby. Put your dummy back in.

The Tribe of the Serpent: DAN

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 Originally Posted by macneil http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...pob_figp32.jpg Thus this bi-lingual inscription records that: "This Sun-Cross (Swastika) was raised to Bil (or Bel, the God of Sun-Fire) by the Kassi (or Cassi-bel[-an]) of Kast of the Siluyr (sub-clan) of the "Khilani" (or Hittite-palace-dwellers), the Phoenician (named) Ikar of Cilicia, the Prwt (or Prat, that is 'Barat' or 'Brihat' or Brit-on)." L. A. Waddell PHOENICIAN ORIGIN OF BRITONS & SCOTS BAAL WORSHIP But the religious customs of the Covenant people became corrupted with the religion of the Phoenician Canaanites. The Prophet Elijah's challenge of the Hebrew priests of Baal is one of the most moving Bible accounts. (1 Kings 8:18-40) The Bible indicates that at one time the majority of Hebrew priests and people followed the rituals of Baal worship. Noted 19th century antiquarian, Sir William Betham, made an exhaustive study of the ancient Celtic peoples, and states in his book, The Gael And Cimbri: http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...ob_fig005b.jpghttp://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...pob_fig001.jpg "Baal... has the precise meaning in Gaelic as in Phoenician - the lord of heaven." (p. 226) Many customs hearken back to Palestine, as well; "Even the cakes which the idolatrous Jews, in imitation of the Phoenicians, made in honour of the queen of heaven are still the most popular cake in Ireland under the old name of the barnbrack, or speckled cake." (p. 236) http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...pob_fig002.jpg Ancient customs and rituals are persistent among mankind, and therefore provide tangible evidence of a people's origins, even where no written proof survives. Betharn comments: "Thus we see at this day, fires lighted up in Ireland, on the eve of he summer solstice and the equinoxes, to the Phoenician god, Baal, and even called Baal's lire, baltinnes, though the object of veneration be forgotten ..." (p. 222-223) In addition, archeological proof points to a Hebrew Phoenician origin of the Britons and Irish. Betham relates: http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...ob_fig005a.jpg "On an altar-stone, dug up near Kirby Thore, in Westmorland, is this inscription:"DEO BEL ATUCADRO IB[ERUM] VOTUM FECIT IOLUS" The text translates as follows: "To the god Baal, the friend of man, Iolus made his free vow." Numerous other stone altars to Phoenician gods, which have been discovered in Britain, Ireland, and Gaul, are discussed and translated in Betham's work. Some of the principal finds include altar-stones found in Northumbria and other parts of Britain. He states that these ancient monuments to "Baal, by the ancient British... are unanswerable evidences of the identity of the people of the two Islands {i.e., Britain and Ireland) and Gaul, which the most unwilling and incredulous caviler at etymologies, can scarcely refuse to receive as conclusive. It proves more, for it shows an identity of the deities of the Celtae and the {Hebrew)-Phoenicilans" (p.228-229) http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...ob_fig025a.jpg Numerous other parallels exist between Celtic and Hebrew Canaanite worship, including mystic well-worship, worship of sacred stones, and the veneration of the autumnal equinoxes. In fact, both the Canaanites and Celts practiced autumnal sacrifices to Baal, which the Celts called, "Baal-tinnes," as previously mentioned. SUN WORSHIP:AL The Hebrew word, AL, signifies the sun, and is equivalent to the Phoenician Hal, Greek Halios, Babylonian Il and CeIto-British Heaul. Mallet's "Northern Antiquities," (vol. 2, p.68) states, "All Celtic nations have been accustomed to the worship of the sun... It was a custom that everywhere prevailed in ancient times to celebrate a feast at the winter solstice, by which men testified their joy at seeing this great luminary return again to this part of the heavens. This was the greatest solemnity of the year. They called it, in many places, Yole or Yuul, from the word Hiaul, which even at this day signifies the sun in the languages of the Bas-Bretagne and Cornwall." http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...pob_fig031.jpg http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...pob_fig037.jpg Christmas is still called Yule. A Christmas holiday beer, Ale, may be from the same root. Holly and Holy come from the word, heaul, meaning 'to hallow, to deem sacred,' with roots to the Hebrew, 'EL,' God. The German words, 'heilig' and 'ale' mean 'to swear, to call on the name of God.' The words 'all,' 'whole,' and 'heal,' may be related to this. The Hebrew name for the sun appears in many places in Britain with names beginning with 'Ail,' 'Ayl,' 'Hal,' 'Hayl,' and the like.There are many exarnples, including Albury, Albourne, Alcester, Alby, Althorp, Alton. Allington, Allerton, Alford, Allenby, Alsop, and dozens more. St Brigids Cross Newgrange Spirals
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 Originally Posted by macneil Thanks for that LG... will keep me occupied for a while Funnily enough I managed to bump into this if you've not seen it... Enter the scientists of the People of the British Isles project: thanks to their efforts, this most distinctive characteristic is now opening up its mysteries for the first time. Testing their white cell samples for two of the half-dozen red-hair versions of the MC1R gene, they were able to show their frequency in each area of the British Isles. The results were intriguing. Where one is the maximum value, they got figures of 0.16 and 0.23 for the frequencies of red-hair genes in Cornwall and Devon. The frequency in Oxfordshire was 0.07; in Sussex and Kent 0.13; in northeast England 0.11; in Lincolnshire 0.07; and in Cumbria nil. In Wales the figure was 0.21, and in Orkney a high 0.26. But the highest was in Ireland. Using data from other research studies, the team got a figure for Ireland of 0.31, confirmation of the stereotypical image of the red-haired Irishman. The results are remarkable, as Sir Walter Bodmer, the Oxford geneticist leading the project, acknowledges: “I was amazed at them. I didn’t expect to see something like this.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1290113.ece How much truth to it? The similarities with Phoenician jewellery, art, symbolism, dolmens, even a particular bread, burial rituals, the gods they worshipped, language and lettering, standing stones... there's just far too much. http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...ob_figp219.jpg Thanks for the links again...
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 17-01-2010, 09:32 PM #211 macneil Senior Member   Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 884 Likes: 1 (1 Post) 25 And thou, O deadly wounded wicked one, the prince of Israel, whose day is come, in the time of the iniquity of the end, 26thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Remove the mitre, and take off the crown; this shall be no more the same; exalt that which is low, and abase that which is high. 27I will overturn, overturn, overturn it: this also shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him. Ezek. 21:25-27
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 Originally Posted by lightgiver A letter from the king of the Spartans to the Jewish high priest in Jerusalem is most revealing: "Areus, king of the Spartans, to Onias, the high priest, greetings. It has been discovered in a document concerning the Spartans and Jews that they are brothers, and are of the race of Abraham" (I Maccabees 12:20-21). The first century Historian Flavius Josephus also records this letter in his writings. Four symbols are used in the Bible concerning the Danites; a serpent, an eagle, a lion, and the bees.

Interesting indeed... cheers LG

As far as we know, in the 4th Century BC Celtic mercenaries fought in the Peloponnese as we read in Xenophon (c. 427–355 BC), who served in the Spartan cavalry in a war against Thebes and says that the Celtic mercenaries fighting for Sparta were great horsemen.

As for the dealings the Doric Spartans had with Celtic people, we can say that both Spartans and Celts had the same origin as they both were Indo-Europeans, also known as Aryans , i.e. a group of nomadic tribes, that were part of a great migratory movement which spread in successive waves from Southern Russia and Turkmenistan in central Asia during the 2d millennium BC and penetrated India, Iran and finally Europe throughout Mesopotamia and Asia Minor.
From the so called Indo-European tribes derived several languages in Europe (Greek, Latin, Italian, Spanish, French, Portuguese, Rumanian, German, English, etc) and in Asia(Sanskrit, Iranian).

This in actual fact, while it is merely a myth the story of Celtus (Greek, Keltos), the son of Heracles, who was the mythical father of the Celtic race and then of the Doric Spartans who in fact thought they were descendants of Heracles through the so called Heracleidae or Heraclids , i.e. the offspring of Heracles.

To sum up, we know that some Celtic mercenaries fought in the Peloponnese as well as in other parts of Greece where in 279 BC they sacked Delphi, the seat of the famous oracle of Apollo. Later in 274 BC they served as mercenaries also in Egypt and elsewhere in the Balkan Peninsula.
Hope this can be helpful to you.

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 Originally Posted by macneil 25 And thou, O deadly wounded wicked one, the prince of Israel, whose day is come, in the time of the iniquity of the end, 26thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Remove the mitre, and take off the crown; this shall be no more the same; exalt that which is low, and abase that which is high. 27I will overturn, overturn, overturn it: this also shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him. Ezek. 21:25-27

Tea Tephi married the Irish monarch, Eiochaid, the Heremonn, thus joining the Pharez and Zarah branches of Judahs royal line, and from them through the Irish and Scotch line of kings one can trace the descent to George VI and show that Davids line did not lapse for Yahweh keep His covenant of salt. (2 Chronicles 13:5)

Was Jeremiah the elderly white-haired patriarch, sometimes referred to as a "saint," who came ashore in Ulster in Irish tradition? Wasn't Jeremiah the grandfather of King Zedekiah (last king of Judah); and thus, God's Trustee of the Bloodline and the Throne of David? From these sources we learn that about 565 B.C., soon after Jeremiah and the kings daughters disappeared in eastern history, there appeared in Ireland at Tara, the seat of the Irish kings, a remarkable and mysterious personage, a prophet named Ollam Fola, who instituted a school of prophets in Ireland. From the number of Hebrew words connected with this mysterious personage he is shown to have been a Hebrew prophet. The only Hebrew prophet who disappeared with any such mission as would take him to the Isles of the West, was Jeremiah, whose bust is in Dublin Castle. The name of Jeremiah remains everywhere in those parts even today.

Was the royal bloodline planted in Ireland?

Could a female further the bloodline?

Did Jeremiah bring the ancient Jewish coronation stone to Ireland (was the throne then overturned 3 times, and now is in London?)?

Was it moved three times (finally to England) in fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy mentioned in chapter 21, verses 25-27?

Did St. Andrew journey to Scotland?

Is Israel today Ephraim?

Is Britain and the United States Manasseh?

Legend says Ireland was already populated by Hebrews before Jeremiah's arrival. Long prior to 700 B.C. another strong colony called "Tuatha de Danaan" (tribe of Dan) arrived in ships, drove out other tribes, and settled there. Later, in the days of David, a colony of the line of Zarah arrived in Ireland from the Near East. In light of this, imagine how fruitful the Irish potato famine has proven to be.... Or, is all the above a fabrication started via a book ("England the Remnant of Judah." London, 1861) by British-Israel expositor named Rev. F.R.A. Glover who combined two different people Tea and Tephi from two different time periods? Is the Worldwide Church of God behind furthering this confusion? Or, is it all true??

Also, consider this conflicting legend that there is a strong Jewish tradition that the prophet Jeremiah was stoned to death outside the city walls of Jerusalem - in the place known as Golgotha.

Bible Probers should note: We think the "Annals" of Irish History (Annals of Ulster, Annals of the Four Masters, etc.) are only reliably historical from 1,000 A.D. onwards. All material relating to time periods before the time of St. Patrick (430 A.D.) is legend. However, there is some truth contained in the "Annals" prior to 1,000 A.D. The "Annals" go back to about 444 A.D., but written copies date only from the 1400's. For instance in these Irish "Annals" there are 18 records of eclipses and comets which all agree exactly to the day and hour with the calculations of modern astronomers. The oldest piece of consecutive Irish preserved in Ireland is found in the "Book of Armaugh", written about the year 812. See possible historic lineage here. Conclusion. Take note that, Jeremiah's commission included "to build and to plant". Legend frequently is steeped in fact, no matter how confusing. The Lost tribes went somewhere...Perhaps Ireland and western Europe....or even southern Russia.

http://bibleprobe.com/lost.htm (you may understand why I avoided the word Annals)

http://www.giveshare.org/israel/judah/part3ch03.html

Hope this may be of help

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It was a joke. 144 - gross. Don't laugh, its not funny if you have to explain it.
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It would be

http://ardictionary.com/Gross/4493

18 to choose from.

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Must be time to do Tuatha De, if you 2 have kissed and made up?

Now that's gross...

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 As far as I am concerned there in personal animosity between me and lightgiver. He does not know who his friends are on this forum, that is all. He hears the word "Freemason" and he just can't see past it.

As far as I am concerned there is no personal animosity between me and lightgiver. He does not know who his friends are on this forum, that is all. He hears the word "Freemason" and he just can't see past it.

Sorry, my fault.
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I noticed, hard not to... it's a bit silly to be honest, applying to both of you and I think this has possibly rubbed off regarding myself? You never did get back to me on that study...

It's a pity as I welcome both your input. I know LG is a bit happy with ctrl+v, but thats ok, it's a thread... if he wasn't it wouldn't have spawned the Iosa post that you were happy about

Your both big and ugly enough. I know you have a keen interest in this, would like to see your name in it a bit more ... power to the people.

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