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Old 06-11-2010, 04:58 AM   #1
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I never liked the Mayans and their human and animal sacrifices.

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Many groups of people have performed human sacrifices as a way of pleasing or appeasing their gods.
The Maya were no different in this regard. Inscribed stones bear witness to the Maya practice of human
sacrifice.
Precious feathers appear where blood would be expected coming from the wounds in some
depictions of Maya human sacrifice ritual. Perhaps this symbolizes how valuable the life-giving fluid is to
the gods. In the accompanying illustration [see larger image], instead of spurting blood, there are serpents.
The common method for human sacrifice seems to have been for the "ah nacom" (a functionary) to extract
the heart quickly, while 4 people associated with Chac, the rain/lightning god, held the struggling
victim's limbs. Human sacrifices seem to have been made, as well, with arrows, by flaying,
decapitation, hurling from a precipice, and throwing the victim into a limestone sinkhole
.

Warfare was one source of human sacrificial victims. It is thought that losers in the ballgames may also have
sometimes been victims, and sacrifice appears to have been connected mainly with ballgames, festivals, and
the assumption of power by a new king.

Besides humans, the following objects were offered as sacrifices: manatees, jaguars, opposums, parrots, quail,
owls, turtles, pumas, crocodiles, squirrels, insects, dogs, deer, iguanas, turkeys
, feathers, rubber, cacao, maize,
squash seeds, flowers, bark, pine boughs and needles, honey, wax, jade, obsidian, virgin water from caves,
shells, and iron pyrite mirrors.


Chichén Itzá Sacrifice at the Ball Game.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/d...9MayaScrfc.htm
Why do we consider the Mayans so advanced if they indulged in practices that
would be considered completely barbaric, malicious and unethical in our times?

Not that we have any right to lecture the Mayans on ethics, we are a pretty
savage and barbaric civilization ourselves. But still, in general an advanced society
is considered one that respects the sanctity of life.. something I would hope we
all seek to strive for.

As I hope we all know, technology and science is not necessarily a sign of spiritual
advancement in a civilization.. and the sacrifice of unwilling humans and animals
certainly is not a sign of this either.. not in my opinion anyway.

I'm not saying it's wrong to sacrifice humans on a Universal level, but most people
do not agree with human sacrifice, or even animal sacrifice, yet still admire the
Mayans.

I admire the Mayans too, for what they have accomplished, but personally I would
not sacrifice living beings if I were ruler over a civilization. That is just me though,
I am not saying it is wrong or evil. It is just not my cup of tea.

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Old 06-11-2010, 05:34 AM   #2
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Those you are talking about were NOT the original Mayas. They were offsprings and worshipers of the extraterrestrials thousands of years later. After the ORIGINAL Mayas left, those people wanted them back, they saw them as gods and they thought that the gods would come back when they sacrifice people. It is the old earth human-thinking fueled on superstition, that happened everywhere on the planet. That’s why there are the harmful religions now on Earth.

edit: In their sacred books, they say that they come from the Pleiades star system, and that the Earth learn from Alcyone, the higher wisdom and vision, dealing with compassion and consciousness. A theory about their extinction says that, this civilization just disappeared. They did not just disappear, they were evacuated by spaceships and flew away.

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Old 06-11-2010, 05:43 AM   #3
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There's no evidence of that though, wouldn't they have found ancient
records, drawings and inscribed stones and walls about what you say?

Evidence says that all the knowledge we have about the Mayans, such
as their calenders and predictions, texts and prophecies, comes from the
same Mayans that indulged in human and animal sacrifices.

I'm not saying the Mayans weren't advanced in science and architecture,
in occult and esoteric knowledge and other areas.. but they were not
nice people. There are still many Mayan shamans that indulge in sacrifice
and black magiks. Not saying there aren't good people among them in
modern times, all races and cultures that exist today have good people.

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Is this more passive aggression? Did you make this thread for Tzikin?
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Old 06-11-2010, 06:29 AM   #5
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There's no evidence of that though, wouldn't they have found ancient
records, drawings and inscribed stones and walls about what you say?
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again, your need of more concrete matter as evidence of what i've stated is quite revealing of the superstitious thought process still very strong in humanity. don't you agree that the new levels of experience we dream of reaching aren't entirely material? don't we all wish to transcend duality and the material? then why are we so focused on materials from a civilization that represented such a higher state of existence?

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Old 06-11-2010, 07:19 AM   #6
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again, your need of more concrete matter as evidence of what i've stated is quite revealing of the superstitious thought process still very strong in humanity. don't you agree that the new levels of experience we dream of reaching aren't entirely material? don't we all wish to transcend duality and the material? then why are we so focused on materials from a civilization that represented such a higher state of existence?
Well, you have a point, it's just hard to know the truth about something
that happened so long ago.
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Is this more passive aggression? Did you make this thread for Tzikin?
No, I was just wondering why people admired the Mayans so much if
they indulged in human and animal sacrifice. I'm not saying it's wrong to
sacrifice humans on a Universal level, it's just that most people are quite
against human sacrifice, but still admire the Mayans.

I'm not saying sacrificing humans is wrong or evil, I don't believe in evil,
but most people do, so I wondered how they reconcile that with their
admiration of the Mayan civilization.

I am just trying to challenge beliefs, I am not trying to attack anyone.

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Old 06-11-2010, 11:12 AM   #8
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Human and animal sacrifice was just an attempt to please gods.

Today it sounds cruel but was actually a very human thing to do.

The world has always been crazy and impossible to understand. So is God.

Why are we here? What does God or gods want from us? How can we please God and improve our fortunes?

The ancients knew very well that the world is mad and cruel. That's why god(s) were also considered mad and cruel.

It was very natural to get the idea that maybe the mad gods want human sacrifices.

It was believed that the sacrifices quench the divine thirst for blood. Mayans were just trying to protect themselves and especially their women and children. They tried to prevent cruelty by sacrificing.

Not much different from going to church next Sunday (that is an attempt to please the sun god).

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Old 06-11-2010, 11:31 AM   #9
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I found the scene in Apocalypto where the priests are knowingly taking advantage of the ignorance of the masses regarding eclipses, and stopping the sacrifices as the moon began to stop blocking the sun, highly plausible. As per usual, a group of smart people were taking the piss out of the majority of not-so-smart people.
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I found the scene in Apocalypto where the priests are knowingly taking advantage of the ignorance of the masses regarding eclipses, and stopping the sacrifices as the moon began to stop blocking the sun, highly plausible. As per usual, a group of smart people were taking the piss out of the majority of not-so-smart people.
That's usually how it goes.. I doubt the common Mayans really wanted to
be sacrificed, or have family members sacrificed.. not even to please the
gods. As long as people aren't the ones being sacrificed, they will cheer
on the rhythm of drums and the cries of the priest, but as soon as it's
their turn, they will be less happy about it.

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Old 07-11-2010, 12:39 AM   #11
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I never really understood this, as I have always thought of them as savages.
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I was just wondering if there was ever a nuclear war that affected the whole world.

Would there be anything left to show that we were ever around, or would everything de-compose?

What would happen to the metals/plastics etc?

If they all would decompose then maybe civilisation has got advanced before and the Atlantis/Lemuria legends are true??
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I was just wondering if there was ever a nuclear war that affected the whole world.

Would there be anything left to show that we were ever around, or would everything de-compose?

What would happen to the metals/plastics etc?

If they all would decompose then maybe civilisation has got advanced before and the Atlantis/Lemuria legends are true??
Nuclear war is not exactly a sign of an advanced civilization though..

I don't believe Atlantis had technology in the destructive way as we know
it. From what I learned, Atlantis and Lemuria were civilizations that were
focused on healing the wounds of the Earth and of those who came to ask
for help. They never had space travel or weaponry or television. They used
crystals, shells and sound to heal, they worked with the creatures of the
ocean to lift dark energies from the Earth.

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Nuclear war is not exactly a sign of an advanced civilization though..

I don't believe Atlantis had technology in the destructive way as we know
it. From what I learned, Atlantis and Lemuria were civilizations that were
focused on healing the wounds of the Earth and of those who came to ask
for help. They never had space travel or weaponry or television. They used
crystals, shells and sound to heal, they worked with the creatures of the
ocean to lift dark energies from the Earth.
Jeez, I've learned the exact opposite LOL.

Lemuria, maybe. Atlantis definitely had technology and weaponry infiltrated through it. They used different technology than we do, more Tesla style.
No good arguing, we'll never know the truth, it was a loooong time ago.

What is your understanding of how the fall of Atlantis happened?
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I learned that Atlantis was created as an intense healing community to start
healing the wounds created on Earth by the Olympic Gods: Zeus, Poseidon,
Hades and Hera.

Atlantis.

After the Olympic Gods had destroyed the Titan civilization globally, they had
started to inflict great wounds and energy blocks onto the Earth and the
population, through powerful dark magiks and occultic rituals. The powers
of darkness these beings had were beyond anything we can imagine, the
Earth suffered greatly, and so did Earth's inhabitants.

The Titans were destroyed, but their souls came back to incarnate to found
Atlantis.. which was an island in the Mediterranean Sea between Egypt and
Greece, Greece where the Olympic Gods had their thrones, high up on a huge
mountain.

At first the Olympic Gods, which were beings who came to Earth from the
Pleiades constellation, did not notice Atlantis, and the Atlanteans, who were
working with amazing crystals, shells from the ocean and oceanic lifeforms
such as Merangels (kind of like mermaids), to start lifting the blocks and the
dark magiks from the Earth and the population.

These beings came from the Pleiades to Earth 89.000 years ago, and it took
them 100 years to destroy the Titans, I reckon Atlantis was formed about
200-500 years later.

But after a while, as people traveled to Atlantis for healing, and interrogated
when they came back, the Olympic Gods realized what was going on, and
Poseidon came to Atlantis with terrible magiks and armies, and he sunk the
island. Many Atlanteans knew this would happen and they fled to places all
over the world, to found other civilizations such as Stonehenge and Lemuria.

Lemuria.

Like I said, the refugees from Atlantis came to a place of land they called the
nation of Lemuria.. this was where now the islands of Indonesia are located.
In Lemuria they worked with dance and song and music, with the some of the
leftover crystals from Atlantis, and with magikal animals such as the Phoenix,
to continue lifting the heavy energies, dark magiks and blocks from the Earth
and its population.

Shamans from Australia traveled to Lemuria to assist with the healing work.
But after a while, again the Olympic Gods found Lemuria, and sent Hera and
her armies to destroy everything. She destroyed Lemuria and all the leftover
crystals, and she followed the fleeing aboriginal shamans to Australia, where
she murdered all shamans and introducted black magik.

Refugees from Lemuria fled to India, the Middle East and Tibet, where they
formed small healing communities, but all of them were found and destroyed.

Technology.

No healing communities: Titans, Atlantis, Stonehenge, Lemuria, Australia,
Middle East, Tibet, India and First Egypt.. ever used technology as we know
it in these times. They had no weaponry, no electricity, no television, no
space travel, no computers. They worked purely with the gifts of Mother
Earth and with the natural resources provided by her.. they were peaceful
and loving beings, who would never cause any kind of harm to others, not
even in defence, they had no use for weaponry or space travel. The Earth
provided them with everything they needed to do their healing work.

The details I know about these communities, comes from my mentor, who
does free past life healing work for anyone who asks her, and whenever she
does healing for someone, she can see all their past lives, going back to their
first incarnation on Earth, and if necessary going back to the birth of their
soul, billions quadrillions of years ago. It is not past life regression, the client
never gets to see these past lives, as they are often traumatic in nature.

The reason why there is so much confusion about Atlantis and Lemuria, is
because the ruling elite, now and thousands of years ago, have done all they
can to hide the truth about these healing communities.

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Those you are talking about were NOT the original Mayas. They were offsprings and worshipers of the extraterrestrials thousands of years later. After the ORIGINAL Mayas left, those people wanted them back, they saw them as gods and they thought that the gods would come back when they sacrifice people. It is the old earth human-thinking fueled on superstition, that happened everywhere on the planet. That’s why there are the harmful religions now on Earth.

edit: In their sacred books, they say that they come from the Pleiades star system, and that the Earth learn from Alcyone, the higher wisdom and vision, dealing with compassion and consciousness. A theory about their extinction says that, this civilization just disappeared. They did not just disappear, they were evacuated by spaceships and flew away.

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL
In what sacred book (codexes) did they mention the Pleiades at all? Not once have I come across this. I have come across 'Came from above' or 'From the stars' but not once have I seen any evidence of the Pleiades. Not doubting you, but please enlighten me as to where this is said,
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I have a theory about where the Mayans came from.

When the meteor shower hit that wiped out the dinosaurs, I believe it struck
the place we now know as the Bermuda Triangle, and the wound to the Earth
that this event caused, allowed interdimensional portals to be opened in that
wound.

The reason planes and ships disappear in the Bermuda Triangle, is because
they get sucked into those interdimensional portals. Now my theory about
the Mayans is, that they were a group of beings who came from their own
dimension into ours, through the Bermuda Triangle, and setted in the South
Americas to build their civilization.

From their practices of human and animal sacrifices, I conclude that the
Mayans were advanced, but not benevolent. I don't believe that the Mayans
came through the portals physically, but rather as spirits.. and then started
to incarnate into the humans of South America, and build their civilization,
enslaving the surrounding tribes.

That's my theory anyway.
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I have a theory about where the Mayans came from.

When the meteor shower hit that wiped out the dinosaurs, I believe it struck
the place we now know as the Bermuda Triangle, and the wound to the Earth
that this event caused, allowed interdimensional portals to be opened in that
wound.

The reason planes and ships disappear in the Bermuda Triangle, is because
they get sucked into those interdimensional portals. Now my theory about
the Mayans is, that they were a group of beings who came from their own
dimension into ours, through the Bermuda Triangle, and setted in the South
Americas to build their civilization.

From their practices of human and animal sacrifices, I conclude that the
Mayans were advanced, but not benevolent. I don't believe that the Mayans
came through the portals physically, but rather as spirits.. and then started
to incarnate into the humans of South America, and build their civilization,
enslaving the surrounding tribes.

That's my theory anyway.
Ok so how do you explain the Humans that walked with the Dinosaurs?

(Mainstream science says it didn't happen, but pseudo-science and with some evidence says it does)
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Ok so how do you explain the Humans that walked with the Dinosaurs?

(Mainstream science says it didn't happen, but pseudo-science and with some evidence says it does)
What do humans walking with dinosaurs have to do with the Mayans?

I don't know of there were humans or humanoids or aliens at the time
of the dinosaurs, I will try to look into it, when I know more I will let
you know.

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