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Old 05-01-2013, 05:42 PM   #41
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Considering you live in the middle of nowhere, have you ever met one?
i have discussed with many online over the years.
menard is one who is incapable of honest answers.
i have had many discussions with him.
he is a slippery bugger.
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:21 PM   #42
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this is one of the difficulties i have had for several years.
i have never met one who would/could answer simple straight-forward questions.
are you having a laugh?
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:39 PM   #43
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are you having a laugh?
not at all.
most FMOTLers are con artists, as far as i have seen.
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:45 PM   #44
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not at all.
most FMOTLers are con artists, as far as i have seen.
and the philosophy behind the people at its most basic level is that a con or ?
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:48 PM   #45
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and the philosophy behind the people at its most basic level is that a con or ?
i have yet to see any evidence that it is not a con.
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:55 PM   #46
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i have yet to see any evidence that it is not a con.
and the state, that is a con or ?
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:57 PM   #47
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and the state, that is a con or ?
yeah, but...yeah, but....look, over there
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Old 05-01-2013, 07:01 PM   #48
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and the state, that is a con or ?
nothing is as it seems.
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Old 05-01-2013, 07:34 PM   #49
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nothing is as it seems.
talk about a slippery answer, you put the hag fish to shame!





yeah, but...yeah, but....look, over there


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Old 05-01-2013, 07:54 PM   #50
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talk about a slippery answer, you put the hag fish to shame!


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yeah, but...yeah, but....look, over there


you ssem to think in polarities.
i do not.

i have never had a discussion with a FMOTLer that gave straight-forward answers to straight forward questions.
i believe that the major players in the movement are con-men.

i also believe that our governments are shams, fronts for corporate entities.

how are these statements self-contradictory?
how was my response 'slippery'?

do you believe, "nothing is as it seems," is an inaccurate observation?
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM   #51
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you ssem to think in polarities.
i do not.

i have never had a discussion with a FMOTLer that gave straight-forward answers to straight forward questions.
i believe that the major players in the movement are con-men.

i also believe that our governments are shams, fronts for corporate entities.

how are these statements self-contradictory?
how was my response 'slippery'?

do you believe, "nothing is as it seems," is an inaccurate observation?
if you believe its a sham, then you must subscribe to the notion of self determination (even if that determination leads to being ruled over)
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:07 PM   #52
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if you believe its a sham, then you must subscribe to the notion of self determination (even if that determination leads to being ruled over)
i am an anarchist.
so i am adamant about self-determination.
that does not in any way conflict with my observation that the FMOTL movement is bullshit.

if the movement were only a movement of anarchists, i would not think this way.
however, the gobbledegook about common law, and birth certificates and capital letter entities is nonsense.

the system is what it is.
no amount of legal wrangling will ever see a FMOTL defense work in a court of law.
that's all a sham too.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:09 PM   #53
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if you believe its a sham, then you must subscribe to the notion of self determination (even if that determination leads to being ruled over)
speaking of 'slippery'....
you ignored all three of my questions, and countered with a question.
wow.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:23 PM   #54
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i am an anarchist.
so i am adamant about self-determination.
that does not in any way conflict with my observation that the FMOTL movement is bullshit.

if the movement were only a movement of anarchists, i would not think this way.
however, the gobbledegook about common law, and birth certificates and capital letter entities is nonsense.

the system is what it is.
no amount of legal wrangling will ever see a FMOTL defense work in a court of law.
that's all a sham too.
i'm not sure about a lot of the stuff, eg a4v, but at its heart, i'd say fmotl is all about self determination - so stripping away the more outthere claims about fmotl and just sticking to the self determination aspect, you'd agree with me in saying self determination is a legitimate and lawful way of life for those that don't feel like being part of the system?

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speaking of 'slippery'....
you ignored all three of my questions, and countered with a question.
wow.
i've learnt from the pros - man they are good!
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i'm not sure about a lot of the stuff, eg a4v, but at its heart, i'd say fmotl is all about self determination - so stripping away the more outthere claims about fmotl and just sticking to the self determination aspect, you'd agree with me in saying self determination is a legitimate and lawful way of life for those that don't feel like being part of the system?
the FMOTL movement is more about nonsensical quasi-legal jargon and proving through this nonsense how the government has not right to exercise any control over individual, their property and and their rights, than about simple self-determination..

the quasi legal arguments have been repeatedly defeated in courts.

it has become a phenomenon in canada.
http://www.canadianlawyermag.com/436...e-problem.html
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the FMOTL movement is more about nonsensical quasi-legal jargon and proving through this nonsense how the government has not right to exercise any control over individual, their property and and their rights, than about simple self-determination..

the quasi legal arguments have been repeatedly defeated in courts.

it has become a phenomenon in canada.
http://www.canadianlawyermag.com/436...e-problem.html
1) you didn't answer the question... is self determination a legitimate and lawful path through life?

2) with reference to the question highlited above, i don't think there is anything wrong in attempting to determine how the law stacks up to the notion of self determination, after all you probably wouldn't want to walk into this without being sure

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1) you didn't answer the question... is self determination a legitimate and lawful path through life?

2) with reference to the question highlited above, i don't think there is anything wrong in attempting to determine how the law stacks up to the notion of self determination, after all you probably wouldn't want to walk into this without being sure

1. yes, as long as your activities do not break the laws of the land. you are not going to like this answer, but it is true.

2. sure...go hard, but do not expect to be able to change anything through legal wrangling.

interesting how you seem to demand answers to your questions, but ignore mine.

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1. yes, as long as your activities do not break the laws of the land. you are not going to like this answer, but it is true.
perhaps you might be kind enough to expand on what you mean by 'laws of the land'?
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perhaps you might be kind enough to expand on what you mean by 'laws of the land'?
here we go....
'acts legislated by the government.'
simple.

i am not going to argue over semantics.

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Old 05-01-2013, 09:04 PM   #60
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the FMOTL movement is more about nonsensical quasi-legal jargon and proving through this nonsense how the government has not right to exercise any control over individual, their property and and their rights, than about simple self-determination..

the quasi legal arguments have been repeatedly defeated in courts.
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It seems rediculous to me to blame FMOTL's for their part in any legal defence, when the game is stacked against you from the start. Why not accuse the court of using non-sensical jargon (it appears evident that they do...).

You say, "quasi legal arguments have been repeatedly defeated in courts". What is that supposed to mean? that the courts are right and just?
Do you think they need you to defend them?
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