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Old 12-06-2011, 01:47 PM   #21
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any opportunity I can, to any person that will listen
Ditto.

Family- Older members (except amazingly switched on mother) are just rabid bigots with the iq of sandwiches so I leave them to fester. The younger ones listen and have begun to look for themselves rather than be led by popular opinion.

Friends- Mine are mostly all 'familied-up' which makes my company out of bounds in the eyes of their partners. Even more so when we discuss vaccinations and state schooling. Some are politically angry but still have a belief in the system. Bloody socialists.

Work- Lucky to work somewhere with a good proportion of switched on folk. Brits, Africans and Asians. Have some great discussions and exchanges of ideas. I always have little posters up for folk to read as well. I have upset a couple of people though. Was recently accused of being a 'race traitor' for not supporting 'our brave boys' in their never ending darkie killathon.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:55 PM   #22
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As the official 'black sheep' of my family, they think I'm nuts anyway.
But, I do talk about stuff to my friends. As long as I don't go too heavy on the conspiracy and reptilian side, they do seem interested.
There's definitely more of the 'general public' aware that summat is up with the world, so I think they are more open to this way of thinking, than say even 2-3 years ago.
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Old 12-06-2011, 02:14 PM   #23
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Been there.....done that.

Its funny but when you take all of the events and storys of manipulation out of the question (the symtpoms) what are you left with???

I mean everybody in the world knows it is an unfair, unjust place run my maniacs.......any person in the street would agree with you on that.

Yet still we do nothing...........
Speaking for myself, I do nothing because I feel helpless to change something that I perceive is "just the way it is". It appears to be bigger than me and unchangeable and that I am a prisoner of this rogue Matrix we live in. I feel trapped. Perhaps it is not that way at all in reality but that is how I perceive it to be.
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Old 12-06-2011, 02:24 PM   #24
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You have to be careful how much you talk about it, because if you try to talk about it too much then you can close the door to anything you have to say that is outside of your listener's belief systems. Case in point: I have been trying to talk to one of my sisters about 9-11 and to convince her that Al Queda and OBL had nothing to do with it. She seemed to want to listen to me at first (even though she didn't get it) but since that time I have talked about it so much with her that I believe I have ruined any chance of reaching her. Whenever I try to talk about anything deep I have seen she shuts me down immediately and does not want to hear it. In fact, I even feel ASHAMED for trying to tell her. They have the information flow so controlled that not only will nobody listen to me but I feel ASHAMED and BAD and GUILTY and WRONG for even trying to tell people I care about those gems of truth that I have been able to uncover. Now that is some pretty sophisticated information control.
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Old 12-06-2011, 02:34 PM   #25
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Hi 'anyhoo'.

Maybe because you feel "ASHAMED and BAD and GUILTY and WRONG for even trying to tell people", you are projecting this out towards your listeners and they can sense it. That would surely put them off.
Try to have belief in YOURSELF, as well as what you want to talk about.
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Old 12-06-2011, 02:49 PM   #26
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Hi 'anyhoo'.

Maybe because you feel "ASHAMED and BAD and GUILTY and WRONG for even trying to tell people", you are projecting this out towards your listeners and they can sense it. That would surely put them off.
Try to have belief in YOURSELF, as well as what you want to talk about.
But its not about me, is it? What I have seen is about the external world and those who manipulate it, isn't it? I believe in seeking the truth very strongly for myself and also want to help others see their manipulation also, but the system seems to be geared to not let that happen (or at least, not let it happen without great difficulty). Those who are behind the deceptions have put in place control systems to not allow their carefully crafted illusions and deceptions from being easily undone. The negative feelings I have when I try to tell someone the truth is also a part of their control system to shut me down and shut me up. Its bad enough that I can see but they sure as hell don't want me helping anyone else to see. Does that make sense? I do believe in myself but I think what is at work here is brainwashing, both in my listeners and in myself.
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Old 12-06-2011, 02:54 PM   #27
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'Anyhoo' - I do understand.
I guess we just have to keep trying.
You only need to tell enough people and they to do the same, for the snowball to start rolling.
We can never tell who will be receptive, so you have to keep eating away at the numbers!
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Old 12-06-2011, 03:04 PM   #28
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I speak to my uncle about all kinds of stuff because he is very clued up and receptive. My brother takes what I say with a pinch of salt but he's polite enough to respect my take on things. I don't say anything to the rest of my family, my friends or work colleagues because the need has never arisen. Although if I did, I am sure they would think I'm nuts.
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Old 12-06-2011, 03:16 PM   #29
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I speak to my uncle about all kinds of stuff because he is very clued up and receptive. My brother takes what I say with a pinch of salt but he's polite enough to respect my take on things. I don't say anything to the rest of my family, my friends or work colleagues because the need has never arisen. Although if I did, I am sure they would think I'm nuts.
Probably people where I work do think I am nuts because I have tried to talk about some of these things with them. I couldn't care less what they think about me though. I am about knowing the truth, wherever that leads. While they keep their heads buried in the sand and refuse to even look at what I try to show them, I am all the time searching for new information and trying to connect more dots. I am like a sponge that is hungrily absorbing new information as fast I can and trying to understand. That sets me apart from them and makes me an outcast. Again, I don't care to stick my head down into the sand where they live. Truth is what I seek and truth is what I care about and anyone who is not seeking it I just don't want to be with.
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Old 12-06-2011, 03:22 PM   #30
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Ditto.

Family- Older members (except amazingly switched on mother) are just rabid bigots with the iq of sandwiches so I leave them to fester. The younger ones listen and have begun to look for themselves rather than be led by popular opinion.

Friends- Mine are mostly all 'familied-up' which makes my company out of bounds in the eyes of their partners. Even more so when we discuss vaccinations and state schooling. Some are politically angry but still have a belief in the system. Bloody socialists.

Work- Lucky to work somewhere with a good proportion of switched on folk. Brits, Africans and Asians. Have some great discussions and exchanges of ideas. I always have little posters up for folk to read as well. I have upset a couple of people though. Was recently accused of being a 'race traitor' for not supporting 'our brave boys' in their never ending darkie killathon.
When I speak to my friends about this stuff, I try and avoid focusing on the conspiracy issues; I tie that in with world events and then provide missing links which makes it much easier for them to grasp. I find that saying Zionists pwn us and governments are all trying to kill the planet and all on it as ineffective.

Helping my friends is not supported by dwelling on the negative and the evil in the world; it is already apparent, so I use that to help promote the positive things and the interconnectedness.

To me it is more important that my friends and those I speak to (random strangers at times) understand their own beauty and divinity and focus on that rather than taking the global evil workload upon their shoulders; this is true awakening, understanding self, not the random nutters outside of self.

Making them be aware of the problems, but not dwelling on them or studying and researching them is the key, otherwise they get caught up in the raft of negative energy which just helps fuel and perpetuate the system. And this distracts them from looking inward and studying their own reality - this is more important research for all the souls than knowing who is at Bilderberg.

Not sure if that makes sense but I understand what I mean
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Old 12-06-2011, 04:04 PM   #31
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I am curious, how many people here are more than just lurkers and have been very open about the awakening, conspiracies, or even other parts of seldom talked about reality, to their friends or family?

Personally, I have not. It is such a hard topic to bring up because it would sound so crazy. Plus, I don't like to pretend I know "secret" information that NO ONE ELSE KNOWS and don't want to be all controversial about it. However, I do hint about corporation abuses and the lost of rights every chance I get.. but people these days don't care about any of that. They just like to talk about their TV shows, music, sports and whatever small talk to keep them busy.

I find it really hard to just talk about small things like that sometimes when SO MUCH is going on in our world today. But, ignorance is bliss as they say.. and many spiritual teachers have shown.. there is no reason to worry about anything so when they talk about trivial things.. it really doesn't matter either way.

How have you guys handled this wide range of knowledge in your own daily lives?
It's difficult talking with the majority of people because, as you point out, all they're interested in is talking about TV shows, music, sports, how wonderfull (insert random 'celeb's' name here) looked at some media circus event and other general bollox - general bollox that is usually somehow related to one of the first three. Mention 'New World Order' down my local on a Saturday night and chances are somebody will immediately go to their mobile phone and try and download the latest single . Trouble is that many people can see problems and the way things are going but they're more concerned as to why the striker at their favourite football club has'nt scored in two games or who's shagging the latest big titted front pager, etc.

Personally I'm quite open about theories that most people would have (and do have) trouble wrapping their head around but I generally don't go too far because people just think you're off on a rant.

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.....I tie that in with world events and then provide missing links which makes it much easier for them to grasp.
That's the key and that's exactly what I try to do, ie use past and current events and show the links and the direction things are going.
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Old 12-06-2011, 04:13 PM   #32
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When I speak to my friends about this stuff, I try and avoid focusing on the conspiracy issues; I tie that in with world events and then provide missing links which makes it much easier for them to grasp. I find that saying Zionists pwn us and governments are all trying to kill the planet and all on it as ineffective.

Helping my friends is not supported by dwelling on the negative and the evil in the world; it is already apparent, so I use that to help promote the positive things and the interconnectedness.

To me it is more important that my friends and those I speak to (random strangers at times) understand their own beauty and divinity and focus on that rather than taking the global evil workload upon their shoulders; this is true awakening, understanding self, not the random nutters outside of self.

Making them be aware of the problems, but not dwelling on them or studying and researching them is the key, otherwise they get caught up in the raft of negative energy which just helps fuel and perpetuate the system. And this distracts them from looking inward and studying their own reality - this is more important research for all the souls than knowing who is at Bilderberg.

Not sure if that makes sense but I understand what I mean
Makes sense to me.

I find this easier now that I have a greater understanding myself.
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Old 13-06-2011, 12:55 AM   #33
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All of my friends know, my kids know. I am not quiet, I am not loud about it. my involvement or "topic" if you will is interdimensional contact/ETs etc. In the last few months I've even brought quite a lot of business to our little family owned printing company with contacts and organizations who are interested in similar topics. We offer them respect and privacy because we get it, we live with ID contact.
It's just a part of who I am...
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Old 13-07-2011, 07:09 AM   #34
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Arrow Just try and speak your mind.

I talk openly about what I believe whenever a relative subject comes up in conversation. You quickly get to know who is absolutely closed and who is open to new points of view. Sometimes people are really interested but don't believe a word of it, and that's fine. I just think they're not ready yet. There are others who laugh straight away, that's fine too, but I don't discuss the issues with them again. They want to stay in the world they are living in and the truth will dawn on them eventually.
I am often surprised at who will listen and who will not. So I don't make assumptions, I just speak my mind. The biggest lesson for me was not to care about the reaction. That is a big thing that I took from David Icke.

Some people can't believe that the people ‘in charge’ would ever purposely tell us lies, even though they have been officially exposed as fiddling their expenses, cash for questions etc etc. They still think that they are honest. That amazes me.

I will say though that I have found it's the young people who are the most open and interested. My Daughter, Nices, Nephews, they are very interested to hear an alternative point of view because much of what they are being taught at school (parrot fashion) doesn't ring true to them anymore.

I haven't met as single child who has laughed at what I have to say, and that fills me with hope, that all the brainwashing hasn't worked on them yet - they can still be reached and be shown that there is another point of view that they aren't being officially taught. At parents' evening a teacher told me that my daughter has some very interesting points of view because she thinks in a way that others don't and looks at things in a completely different way. Another teacher asked her if she was planning a revolution! All she is really doing is giving the reasons why she will not have her fingerprints taken in order to buy her dinners (like all the other children have) and questions the school's instructions to do as you are told, and don't argue. She's 12.
I told my Niece just a few things about the Illuminati - which she had never heard of -and then she went and looked up loads of stuff herself - and told her friends. I notice that she hasn't been on Facebook so much, she is spending her time looking at other, more interesting things.

Makes me think that if you want to spread the word, the children are the way!
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Old 14-07-2011, 07:20 AM   #35
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Wow, lots of great stories.

I've shared a few stories on facebook, and....complete silence.

Meanwhile, if someone posts a picture of themselves drunk, getting a kiss, or posts a message that they've watched every episode of the simpsons during a 24 hour marathon....

Logically speaking, I can't identify a single useful purpose for facebook except for tracking and cyber stalking.
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Old 14-07-2011, 10:47 AM   #36
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I told a friend yesterday about chemtrails and he looked at me with his dead zombie eyes and i translate that to "are you insane"?.
I'm done with telling people,this is the survival of the fittest!!
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While I understand where you are coming from in terms of your momentary and hopefully passing level of frustration, I don't think you can generalize from the reaction of this one person to everyone else. And neither should the rest of us.

I've spoken to individuals (who delightfully, had not been brainwashed by the media) who DID understand right away, and who DID educate many dozens of others. All based upon my passing along a single DVD to this person.

So, I could just as easily generalize from this SUCCESSFUL example to think in a more positive way, which I have.

Not everyone is going to agree with you, and that's just fine with me. It just won't stop me from saying what I have to say.
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I believe it depends on the personality itself. I never had any problems at work or with my friends.
But on the other hand, I don't preach, or convert anybody,
because no matter how "noble" my motives may sound,
it's just agressive as any other form of imposing we face today,
and trying to fight against.
I instictively feel how far I can go with somebody,
and going to far I consider as a mistake and manifestation
of my ego, not my love towards people.
Real stuff is really painful and patience is obligatory.
I need patience too, so why not give the same to people around me?

My experience is: if one's not ready, one's not.
When one will be ready, one will find his or her way back
to cross my path.
The same works for me.
I had glimpses years ago, but needed to shovel my way to where I am now.

The only times I feel strong need to intervene is when I see one doing
something potentialy very dangerous to his/her being.
And if even then the person doesn't listen,
I think to myself, will I listen if someone spots something
dangerous in my thinking...?
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Old 17-07-2011, 01:49 PM   #39
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While I understand where you are coming from in terms of your momentary and hopefully passing level of frustration, I don't think you can generalize from the reaction of this one person to everyone else. And neither should the rest of us.

I've spoken to individuals (who delightfully, had not been brainwashed by the media) who DID understand right away, and who DID educate many dozens of others. All based upon my passing along a single DVD to this person.

So, I could just as easily generalize from this SUCCESSFUL example to think in a more positive way, which I have.

Not everyone is going to agree with you, and that's just fine with me. It just won't stop me from saying what I have to say.
I've been to 5 different forums spreadin awarness and almost everyone called me nuts and dangerous.Only a handfull keep an open mind.
I posted video that woke the world up on facebook and got a comment "i don't see anything weird with this video"
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I guess this is always a way to tell who your friends are.

I've almost always found people very open to talk about conspiracy theories. Most people, if you bring up the topic of politics, they have something to say.

Back when I still was a big conspiracy theorist, all my friends listened to what I had to say, and we would usually have a discussion about it, I would learn something, they would learn something, and we would both evaluate our own beliefs and change them accordingly. But of course, this is because they are my friends, so there is a level of respect.
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