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Old 11-02-2013, 02:57 PM   #41
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I am glad that people are contacting their suppliers directly and getting responses, rather than scaremongering over what's happening in the US.

That said, the health risks of smart metering cannot be underplayed. An article in the new issue of NEXUS magazine tries to suggest that studies in Australia reveal that negative health impacts blamed on smart meters are probably psychomatic, which is the usual bullshit you'd expect from a medical study no doubt paid for by the industry.

The evidence is all out there. But as coco says, they will still try and make it as mich of a battle as they can.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:50 PM   #42
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Also, the battle is extra hard because we are discussing our current properties.

So yes, we can refuse consent for the SM now,
but what happens if we move to another property that already has SM installed before 2019?

BG weren’t sure, but though it unlikely that they would remove it,
but since it is technically possible to switch it off,
he thought that’s what might happen.

So we could end up with a smart meter fitted, but ‘turned off’.
If you believe that!

After, 2019, however, he didn’t believe I’d have any option not to use a SM if I moved to a property where it was already fitted.

I'm not giving up, but its going to be tough.
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Old 12-02-2013, 11:44 AM   #43
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Wrap them in several layers of aluminium foil.


Yes, Clif High agrees with you. I'm off to the shops to get me some aluminium foil.

http://halfpasthuman.com/smartmeters.html


smart meters, you and GUS....
addendum at bottom: February 11, 2013

with respect....it is about picking your battles...

Is GUS (government US) about to install a 'smart meter' on your electrical system? Feeling anxious about the high energy microwaves beaming out constantly from these deadly devices? Having nightmares about DNA damage, and fascistic intrusion from 'your' power company?

Well, you are certainly NOT alone. In fact i just was reading about a poor woman who refused the smart meter and had her power disconnected in these frigid temperatures. What kind of a human would/could do that? These power company employees must have balls the size of nano-particles to participate in such abuse of the elderly.

But what is to be done? In many states, the power companies send the police along with the installers to force you to submit to the will of GUS. In many reports, the home owners are intimidated, roughed up, threatened, abused, and arrested for standing up for their rights against the minions of GUS and 'big power'.

So, is there a 'safe and effective' strategy for dealing with this new intrusion from GUS?

Well, having had a look at these smart meters (one installed at a friend's house in the next county over), it is my opinion that it is UNWISE to resist the installation of these devices.....and also TOTALLY unnecessary.

Yes, totally unnecessary. In my opinion, i would allow them to install such a smart meter at my house. Why? Well, it has to do with me being a pissy bastard.

i noticed that the smart meters are using a glass bulb housing to protect their microwave broadcasting unit on the top of the unit.(i used to be an appliance repairman in my wasted youth and worked on the original Amana 'radar ranges' so know a bit about microwave technologies.) This bulb is quite prominent and is very easily located. Further, in the three designs that i have seen, all have the same bulb housing for their broadcast mechanism.

So, as a pissy bastard who does not want a smart meter, but also who does not want to fight it out with GUS over this issue, what i would do is to be all smiles as they install the device. Of course i would do my best to politely educate the installer and any GUS minions as to the harm their participation causes, and i would formally, in a written fashion object to the installation, but i would take no physical action to stop them. This is due to the old saying that 'a blaster can point both ways'.....from Issac Asimov's Foundation series.

The point is this...the smart meters are announced as providing remote reading of your electrical usage which is promoted as saving money for the power companies and then ultimately, you. They are to do this by beaming out vast quantities of microwaves, in dangerous frequencies, more or less indiscriminately 24 hours a day.

So what i will do is to put a little 'cap' of folded aluminium foil over the broadcast bulb of the smart meter. This accomplishes three things instantly: first, it shuts off the microwaves as a source of health degrading energies in my local environment. Second, it deprives the power company of their stated benefit. They will discover the meter is not reporting and have to send someone out to remove the foil hat. Which, of course, i will instantly replace as soon as i have noticed it removed. Month after month (up to the global coastal event by June 2013) we could play this interesting game. Then, third, the foil will redirect the microwaves into the device, providing an interesting working environment for all the chippy bits inside.

A fourth benefit is that there would be a much reduced level of tension in my world. You see, it is a matter of perspective. If i had the view that THEY were putting a poisoning, evil device on my electrical service, and i was powerless to affect them in this process, i would go batshit....and likely would be arrested. However, if i change my view to the idea that i am allowing them to install their evil as part of my plan to twist the system til it hurts, well, then i can be quite content as i am really the one in control of the situation.

If you consider this aluminium foil strategy at the energy level, look at how quickly the asymmetry works to collapse their whole system. The power companies no longer have the personnel to perform manual reads of your meter. Nor to come and remove the foil off of even a small fraction of the smart meters that they intend to install. So the very small amount of energy that is required for me to make a new foil hat for the bulb each month is vastly magnified in what is required for the power companies and GUS to respond. They will be spending hundreds of $ to remove each foil hat....and that is some expensive metal.

It is my contention that there are likely already enough installed smart meters to totally rubbish this idea of these devices if even a quarter of those in place now were fitted with little bulb hats.

Just say'n...

February 11, 2013 addendum

So in some states it is illegal to 'tamper' with the power companies electrical equipment. This is why some people with more guts than brains are using electrical energy in the form of microwaves (from activation tubes removed from microwave ovens) to disable the devices...no law against it (apparently). But in those states where it is illegal, it would not be advisable to violate this law. There are actually other ways of intruding on these devices.

First, note that concern about backscatter microwave radiation is quite real. Solid steel or many layers of thick, commerical cooking foil would be needed on the inside wall where the smart meter is installed (unless wall is exceptionally thick). This will go a long ways toward protecting the inside from the microwave exposure. Second note that microwaves are funny little critters that are designed to go through, or around most anything. But there is the catch...like superman, microwaves have a couple of types of kryptonite.



Many low cost, household items such as 'silvered mirrors', can be employed as reflective surfaces should the home owner desire to protect their valuable shubbery from microwave exposure by these ill considered devices.

Further, microwaves have an affinity for, and are absorbed by, water. Thus you risk as a bag of mostly water walking around in these microwaves. So....big bags of water, place strategically to water plants, or ????? have been known to disrupt microwave signals. Or bird houses, also foil lined to protect the poor little birdies, make a great decoration.



Also it may help to ground the tin foil in some meter designs by runninig a strip of it over to a convenient ground. But note that the National Building Codes can be used against you then as there are rules about what, and how many grounds may be established on a property.



Content herein copyhold claim for effort in 2013 by clif high. Distribution with attribution encouraged.

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Lou Collins & http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/

http://stream15.mixcloud.com/cloudca...d0f9402b68.mp3

155 Mb download discussing smart meters in the UK,
what they are, what they do, how to stop them!
1 hour 7 minutes long. Skip the 4 minutes unless you like the music.
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My Son Died - Smart Grid Meters

From Deborah Tavares
3-13-13

http://rense.com/general95/sonsmartg.html


Virginia, the mother of Rich, has authorized release of her letter to all on your email lists...of her tragic story...

Her personal story demonstrates how our government is intentionally mandating the deployment of microwave frequencies that injure us.. Our government has been "taken" by corporations and the global banking mafia. The Telecom Industry has been given full authority to deploy wireless technologies that damage our DNA. This is not an accident. This is intentional. This is for corporate gain and the eugenics agenda to reduce the population. This is REAL . . Rich died and Virginia lost her son to microwave frequencies . . .This is OUR battle. This is OUR time. . .This WILL be our loss, our mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, and OUR CHILDREN. In fact all of humanity is at stake . . .

The United Nations, the Bilderbergs aka the Illuminati are moving forward for Full Spectrum Energy Control and Dominance and their Eugenics program. They told us long ago in their documents - www.StopTheCrime.net - Source Documents.

It is required that all nations, all countries, all people be connected to the Global Smart Grid in order for the Global Banking Controlling Mafia to bring in a One World Government and control all energy resources.

All of us, while we are still physically able, MUST answer the call to disburse information and expose this deadly assault upon all nations!

These are silent weapons for a quiet war and frequencies have replaced bullets,

-Deborah

www.SmartMetersMurder.com
www.StopTheCrime.net
www.ToxicSky.org
Go to AntennaSearch.com to locate the cell towers and antennas nearest your homes, and print this out.
Keep in mind NOT ALL sites will be shown. These are the weapons being deployed in our neighborhoods . .
Watch the Barrie Trower YouTubes on www.SmartMetersMurder.com


Dear Reporters and Editors of LA Times

My name is Virginia Farver from Fort Collins, CO.. I want to share my Story with you, and why the Smart Grid-Metering is so very dangerous. I lost my Beautiful, Young Son from GBM-Glioblastoma Multiforme Brain Cancer on October 11, 2008. Rich, had attended SDSU ( San Diego State University ), and was working and living in San Diego at the time of diagnosis. Dr. Vrijish Tantuwaya, a Neurosurgeon from Poway, California told the family that his," Cell Phone was the cause." Dr. Richard Marschke, an Oncologist here in CO., told the family that this was," Not genetic."

On August 7, 2009 approximately 10 months after my Son's death I typed in,' Cancer Clusters.' The very 1st articles were about a - Breast Cancer Cluster on the UCSD San Diego campus. Many women in the Literature Building on campus were diagnosed, and many died from there disease. I cannot get some of the links to come up. If you type in,' NYTimes, 2009 UCSD Breast Cancer Cluster,' there is a link that you must read. In this link ,there is highlighted in blue - FULL REPORT. Dr. Leeka Khiefets from the - Electrical Power Research Institute - was commissioned by UCSD to write a report on this Cancer Cluster. Page 4 of this report, there have been many other cancer deaths than reported. Page 27, is a special Thanks to Jim Turman from SDG&E - San Diego Gas & Electric in California. Both of these people should have been Removed from conducting any investigations. This was a Complete Conflict of Interest!!! UCSD had an Epidemiological Report written, and the investigation stopped there.

http://www.10news.com/news/workers-r...ucsd-cancer-cl...
http://www.10news.com/news/electroma...ert-investigat...

I then saw articles about a,' Brain Cancer Cluster on the SDSU Campus.' I ended up on the floor. Rich, is the graduate student mentioned in these. I'll put the links below. I started to contact the SDSU Administration and found this futile. I then drove out to San Diego staying the whole month of October, 2009. I met with Professors Nancy Speckmann, and Farid Abdel-Nour off campus for meetings. Both Professors told me that Rich, would spend long hours in Nasatir Hall, Room 131. Rich, was a TA for Nancy Speckmann, and would meet students, grade papers, and be in this room on weekends studying. Nasatir Hall, room 131 is the Building, and room on campus where most of the cancer victims were located.


http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/scien...a12a31b-777c-5...
http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/scien...c-5560-bf88-75...
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/health/SDSU_Room_Haunted...
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/heal...by_Cancer__San...
http://www.usnews.com/.../paper-trai...-cancer-deaths...
http://www.usnews.com/education/blog...009/03/11/sdsu
http://www.usnews.com/education/blog...l-2009/03/11/s...
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loca...r-Cluster.html
http://www.usnews.com/.../2009/03/11...-cancer-deaths

Afer arriving back home to CO., the SDSU Administration sent me an,' Epidemiological Report,' written by Dr. Thomas Mack. 3rd paragraph in this report, he mentions that he has," No known knowledge of Chemical or Radiation Concerns, and therefore are none." I immediately e-mailed Dr. Mack. Dr. Mack promptly called me at home. I asked Dr. Mack about a HUGE Cell tower directly outside of Nasatir Hall, Room 131. Dr. Mack denied this could be the cause, and brushed this notion off rather quickly. I then told him of," Everyones Concerns." Dr. Mack replied," they should be concerned." This comment made me furious, and quite frankly, made absolutely NO sense. Because of Dr. Mack's Epidemiological Report, the SDSU Administration will not conduct a Toxicology Study. These Professors requested one, and were denied. I have requested one on several ocassions, never receiving a response. I contacted the Governors Office, area Representative Marti Emerald, the Mayors Office, and many governmental agencies. This may answer,'Why,' I have not received any help:

http://www.foundation.sdsu.edu/pdf/a...isting.pdf.pdf

I decided to look into this so called,' cell phone,' tower on my own. It is HPWREN - High Performance Wireless Research and Educational Network, a Backbone Node to the UCSD Supercomputer Center in San Diego. It is also GWEN - Ground Wave Emergency Network, with emissions known to hug the ground. Nasatir Hall, Room 131 is located on the bottom 1st floor of a 3 story building. HPWREN is connected to the Lambda Rail ( Grid ), Tera Grid, PRAGAMA Grid. Combined, these are the,' SMART GRID.' It is the Engineers and Scientists behind the grid who are developing Smart/AMI meters, Smart Dust, Drones, RNM technologies, among many others. These Grids are located on many college campuses across the US, and other Countries, forming a World Grid. There are 2 sites on the SDSU Campus. One on top of the Communications Building ( which towers above Nasatir Hall ), and one on top of the KPBS News Station on campus. Both are within 1/4 mile of each other, and are considered being located on the highest points of campus. HPWREN includes Homeland Security, DoE, DoD, DARPA, Air Force, Navy, NIH-National Institutes of Health, SPAWARS, NASA-Inmarsat Satellite, Emergency Services, and MANY HUGE Corporations. The University of Alaska is connected through the Grid system, with research through the HAARP facility in Alaska. HPWREN is funded by the NSF - National Science Foundation, OUR Tax Dollars:

www.gi.alaska.edu/students/PARS

HPWREN SPAWARS: http://hpwren.ucsd.edu/news/20060720/


GWEN - Ground Wave Emergency Network, located on Government Property, and on tops of Communications Buildings:
HPWREN-Communications Building: http://hpwren.ucsd.edu/news/021223.html
GWEN: coldwwar-c4i.net
HPWREN - Inmarsat Satellite: http://hpwren.ucsd.edu/news/010926.html
Inmarsat GRID: www.inmarsat.com/Support/Manuals/index.htm
http://expertscolumn.com/content/inm...tellite-grid-a...

KNOWN SDSU BRAIN CANCER VICTIMS:

RICH FARVER - my Son. Diagnosed with GBM Brain Cancer, March 2008, died October 11, 2008 - 1 week after his 29th Birthday/ Nasatir Hall, Room 131, facing HPWREN cell tower.

LOU TERRELL - diagnosed with Primary Brain Lymphoma ( Brain Cancer ), 2008/ Nasatir Hall, Room next to 131 facing HPWREN cell tower

CHARLES CUTTER - diagnosed with GBM Brain Cancer, died June 18, 2009/ Nasatir Hall, Room 131, facing HPWREN cell tower

DWIGHT ANDERSON - diagnosed with Different Form of Cancer, and died/ Nasatir Hall, Room 131, facing HPWREN cell tower

MRS. KATHY O'HARA - diagnosed with GBM Brain Cancer, May 2008/ KPBS News Station on campus. Still alive, fall 2011, however not doing well.

MS. LAUREL AMTOWER - diagnosed with GBM Brain Cancer, November 2009, died August 29, 2010/ Arts & Letters Building on campus, right next to Nasatir Hall ( within yards ).

Laurel died at the age of 44, and left behind a 12 year old daughter.

RICHARD FUNSTON - diagnosed, and died from GBM Brain Cancer in 1993 with cell tower present, and taken down in 1995. To once again, be replaced.

? POSSIBLE NEW VICTIM - SAMANTHA STAUBER - 20 years old with classes in Arts & Letters

After the death of Ms. Laurel Amtower on August 29, 2010 I contacted San Diego NBC Producer Paul Krueger. Paul said," Another one?" Paul, asked me to send in my informaiton, - SILENCE! My 1st experience with the tightly controlled main stream News. A reporter from the,' San Diego Tribune,' called me at home one day. This gentleman
( who would not reveal his name ), told me that this Story would,' Never get out in San Diego.' I asked," Why?" He replied," Because of MONEY." I was very thankful of his call.

This Story was Instrumental in the WHO - World Health Organization reclassifying Non-Ionizing Radiation to a Class 2B Carcinogen, May 2011, the same as DDT and Lead. This classification was Very close to being a Class 2A carcinogen. Ionizing Radiation ( XRays ), damage Cells or DNA instantly. Non-Ionizing Radiation ( ALL Wireless ), is ACCUMULATIVE, the more received, the more Cell ,or DNA damage. This is true for Cell phones, Cell towers, Microwave ovens, Power-lines, WI-Fi, Smart/ AMI Meters. Smart Meters emit PULSED Microwaves. Between 10,000, and 200,000 pulses per meter, per day, per household The human body tries to recover after EACH pulse. This will BLANKET our neighborhoods, and cities in RF Radiation!!

ALL cell phone manuals say to keep away from heads, and bodies. BlackBerry Torch manual ( no longer in production ): keep .98 inches away from heads, and bodies, and for Pregnant Women, and Teenagers to avoid putting these devices near their lower abdomens. Please Watch ALL: Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile cell phone commercials. The Industry Reps., were caught during hearings in Maine. These commercials no longer show actors with a cell phones being held near their heads, or bodies! Last week the Country of Belgium is now issuing warnings about kids using cell phones, and their addictions to wireless devices. A childs brain is not fully developed until their mid 20's.

EXPERTS:

Olle Johansson - Karolinska Institute, Sweden. WHO - World Health Organization Member. Was DEMOTED after the WHO reclassifying non-ionizing radiation to a Class 2B.
Susan Foster - Medical Writer in San Diego. Has written for the,' Fire Fighters Union,' - cell towers on firestations
Devra Davis - Environmental Health Trust - wrote,' Disconnect'
Cindy Sage - Bioinitiative Group- wrote,' Bioinitiative Report - 1 hour of WI-Fi is equal to 20 minutes of cell phone exposure, Cell or DNA Damage at 300 hours
Janet Newton - EMR Policy Institute
Christine Hoch - SAFERWIRELESS
Ellie Marks - Calfornia Brain Tumor Association - Testified on Capital Hill with Arlen Spector
Lloyd Morgan and Sam Milham - International EMF Collaborative : Cell Phones and Brain Tumors, 15 Reasons for Concern.


Dirty Electricity - mentions UCSD
FLAWS of the Interphone Study

Deb Carney - Attorney with the,' Lookout Moutain Cell Towers in Denver,' - 4x's the normal amount of Brain Tumors in this area.

Katie Singer - Author - Releasing a book, june or july 2013 - The Electric Silent Spring

The HPWREN cell tower is still on campus. There is an OUTdoor courtyard directly underneath this cell tower. I was on campus, daily for 3 weeks, fall 2011. I observed kids sitting under this cell tower for hours, day after day. There are newly constructed,' Fraternity Row Housing Units,' across the street from the KPBS News Station, and cell tower on campus. Again, watched Boys sitting on balconies for hours, and hours. Some of these new Fraternity units are newly adorned with metal windows, and metal balcony railings, which attract radiation. How many of these kids will become ill, or already have? Some form of Cancer, No doubt!! Many, without this knowledge!! I not only fear for these kids, I fear for Humanity!

Attached is a picture of this cell tower that I took Fall 2009. The cell tower is on top of the Communications Building, and Nasatir Hall, is located on the lower left in the picture. Nasatir Hall, Room 131 is the bottom 1st floor window. Fall 2011 this room was completely boarded up with cardboard lining the windows. Why? Is there something to hide? OF COURSE!!!! These,' Criminal THUGS knew, and know, how dangerous this HPWREN cell tower was, and IS!! Notice the DEAD TREE FOLIAGE on the surrounding trees. This answers Everything!

" I don't have to pay for it, and I don't have to go through the FCC"
www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/72mi.txt


"If I was the FCC, I would BUST these guys"
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/76118/
Agency_reduces_power_on_72_mile_WLAN_link

The,' Carlsbad Cancer Cluster,' involved many kids. Again, an 'Epidemiological Report,' was written. Dr. Thomas Mack was helping in this investigation. These epidemiologists are being paid I'm sure," Handsomely," for their efforts, all the the expense of our kids, and families lives. Had the proper investigations into this Cancer Clusters been done, the whole - SMART GRID, could have been avoided. There are High Tension Power-Lines that cross the,' Kelly Elementary Property,' and near residential areas. 1Toxin + 1 Toxin = 1000. TOXICOLOGY STUDIES ARE THE PROPER PROCEDURES!!! Epidemiological Studies are nothing but, mere statistics!

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/...nswers-on-canc...

Rich, experienced many symptoms that I now know as,' Electro-Sensitivity Symptoms.' Headaches, Nausea, Heart Palpatations, Sinus Problems, ( Rich, was suffering from daily nose bleeds, and had a Dr's appointment for March 14, 2008, but ended up at Sharpes Memorial Hospital on the evening of March 13, 2008 with bleeding in the brain ), Endocrine Problems, ( Rich, was suffering from under arm sweating, which mysteriously disappeared after leaving SDSU ), Rashes, Memory or Concentration Problems. Rich, was applying for Law School in the California area at the time of diagnosis. I recall a conversation. Rich said," Mom, even if I get into Law School, I don't know if I can make it through?" I replied," Why, would you say such a thing?" He said," I cannot seem to remember things." Yet, another sign, if only I had known! This has DESTROYED my life, and the lives of my family. I have 1 remaining Son. These Symtoms are REAL, and should not be taken lightly!! Attached is a picture of Rich, when he 1st arrived in San Diego. The 2nd picture is of graduation. Notice the skin coloring difference between the two. He looks COOKED in his graduation picture, and WAS!! He is also squinting with his right eye in his graduation picture. This is where the tumor was located, the right frontal lobe. Rich, was 6'2", and very healthy!



.....,



A comforting thought to leave you with. With the release of 4G, and these Smart/AMI meters, we will," ALL be living in the same amount of radiation during a given day, as these SDSU Brain Cancer Victims." Many of whom, were not in this area of campus for long. Rich, 3 years, Laurel Amtower, 3 years.
I've heard by these Experts," End Stages for this type of radiation in our lives." 4G alone has Doubled all Cell, and Antenna strengths. Besides being exposed to a Cell Phone wave, there is now a DATA-WAVE.' Isreal, did not allow 4G.

Sincerely,
Virginia Farver
[email protected]
970-689-3798 corded landline only
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Old 14-03-2013, 02:26 PM   #46
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Also, the battle is extra hard because we are discussing our current properties.

So yes, we can refuse consent for the SM now,
but what happens if we move to another property that already has SM installed before 2019?

BG weren’t sure, but though it unlikely that they would remove it,
but since it is technically possible to switch it off,
he thought that’s what might happen.

So we could end up with a smart meter fitted, but ‘turned off’.
If you believe that!

After, 2019, however, he didn’t believe I’d have any option not to use a SM if I moved to a property where it was already fitted.

I'm not giving up, but its going to be tough.
You would surely never move to a property that already had one fitted?

I would shop around till I found a place that was still on analogue.

Regarding the tinfoil hat covering....I suspect the authorities would quickly cut off your electricity if you did that because they wouldn't want to send out the man often to take it off. So although I would do that if I had to, I would fight NOT to ever have the thing fitted in the first place.

I think that may be easier in the UK, where I am, than in the US.
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Old 14-03-2013, 02:28 PM   #47
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This is what you do folks, its sooooo easy.

You will not be breaking any rules either, but you have to own your home or be friends with the landlord.

First. Locate and buy your own gas and leccy meter.

Second. When they tell you that they are gonna change your meter, tell them to not bother, and to come and remove their meter.

Third. Have your own meter installed by someone you can trust (Corgi regesterd?).

Forth. Set up a tally with the gas supplier company and NOT the middle-man. Pay them instead.


Remember, British gas PLC do not supply gas. They meter it for the gas industry. You now don't have their meter. So...what the fuck does it have to do with them?


You speak like a man who's dunnit.
I am clueless so help me out please.

1) Do you have a template letter to send out to one's currently utility company?
I was told by a gas engineer that I would have hell of a time convincing utility company to remove the meter.

2) There is a question of what kind of meter one should install. Does it have to be certified by anybody etc?

In the end the engineer convinced me not to go down this root.
Furthermore, when you say Gas/Elec industry, who should I contact and what should I say so that I pay them direct?

3) Most important question: what is the rate for both gas and electricity?

Tom, if you don't reply, I just list this subject under another FMOTL fantasy

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Old 10-05-2013, 06:37 PM   #49
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You speak like a man who's dunnit.
I am clueless so help me out please.

1) Do you have a template letter to send out to one's currently utility company?
I was told by a gas engineer that I would have hell of a time convincing utility company to remove the meter.

2) There is a question of what kind of meter one should install. Does it have to be certified by anybody etc?

In the end the engineer convinced me not to go down this root.
Furthermore, when you say Gas/Elec industry, who should I contact and what should I say so that I pay them direct?

3) Most important question: what is the rate for both gas and electricity?

Tom, if you don't reply, I just list this subject under another FMOTL fantasy
Proforma notification of NO smart meter

http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/dont-s...-installation/

BEWARE.

This page has been removed:

It used to say there was no obligation to have a smart meter.

https://www.gov.uk/smart-meters-guidance-for-consumers


Now it's all this CRAP - and nothing to state there is a right of refusal

https://www.gov.uk/government/polici...s/smart-meters
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Proforma notification of NO smart meter

BEWARE.

This page has been removed:

It used to say there was no obligation to have a smart meter.

https://www.gov.uk/smart-meters-guidance-for-consumers
It's still there but the page has been moved.

See here https://www.gov.uk/smart-meters-how-...r-led-roll-out

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Smart meters will be rolled out as standard across the country by 2020. But there will not be a legal obligation on individuals to have one.

Energy companies will be required to install smart meters and take all reasonable steps to reach everyone. However, we do not expect energy companies to take legal action to fit a smart meter if they cannot get the householder’s co-operation
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:38 AM   #51
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five years ago they built a substation outside my house, where do i complain?
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:43 AM   #52
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Whether you agree to having one fitted or not your energy bills in the UK will still increase to pay for them. You will therefore be paying extra because of government legislation.

Costing businesses and householders 11-12 billion pounds minimum and thereafter whenever a better "meter" comes along.


money saved = zero
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:32 AM   #54
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Regarding the tinfoil hat covering....I suspect the authorities would quickly cut off your electricity if you did that because they wouldn't want to send out the man often to take it off. (
I would take the tin foil off before letting the smart meter man in, and then put it back on as soon as he left.

Then they can't prove you are using tin foil to cover them unless they get a forensics team in to examine it and internally survail the damn death device.
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:15 PM   #55
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I've heard that these smart meters are really bad for your health. The fact that we could all be forced to have these things in our homes pisses me off so much. When will all this stuff end? every other day I hear of some new tactic by those at the top to try and kill us off or make us so ill we can't fight back either in a physical or mental sense. It seems to be a constant hit one after the other. I'll do everything I can to avoid getting one of these things. I feel like buying a tent and going off to live outside on some bit of land somewhere, I can always do that right? Oh wait, no I can't as that's illegal in this country isn't it
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Old 21-05-2013, 10:24 AM   #56
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You Might have heard the MP's have halted smartmeter implementaion for now, David Icke posted a vid on this (takebackyourpower.net)


With respect this is a sham, not the guy's who gave the presentation but the dirty MP's response. It has not been stopped, thousands of warrants are being applied for by energy companies and rubber stamped each week in courts in the UK for forcible entry and installation of pre-payment ho! ho! ho! smart meters.

How?

All the uk energy companies have been deliberately undercharging for a period of time using estimates and then hitting the unaware consumer with a large bill they cannot pay. They then aggressively pursue a warrant of entry to install the pre-payment/Smart meter. If there is debt there is no defence.

They are close to achieving what they call 'foundation' that is, enough installed meters to turn on the smart grid.

The poor are being targeted to have these installed by state sponsored force. The debt help sites are groaning with these people.

These meters are modular, the really nasty technologies will be added later in waves, the WAN (Wide Area Network) module that connects to datacomsco the state owned company that hides behind the energy companies that give the consumer the facade of choice, the HAN (Home Area Network) module that will spy on the occupant AND THEIR NEIGHBOURS.

People are still barely talking about what will come with this evil meter, the telemedicine (look it up) the infrared scanner, water meter added, your bank account eventually on it, auto charges/ taxes applied to it by councils and government, punishment for non-payment by energy subsistance (only essential appliances will be allowed to function determined by datcommsco), Plugs supplied to allow older appliances in your home to be added to the smart grid with video and audio monitoring in-built.

A psychpaths wet dream, they will know who is in your home, what food they take out of the fridge, when they go to the toilet, when they have sex, how long they shower, all of it, and this is the REAL reason for carbon credits, the smart grid will audit the minutia of your lives and bill you for it.

It's not a smart grid, its a slave grid and has nothing to do with saving energy.

Dont believe me? It's all in the OFGEM smart grid implementation docs and the Rowntree foundation papers but it'll take about three days to read them!!

Cant understand why almost no one is talking about this aspect of it, the Deadly health issue is just the beginning............better get up to speed folks.

Incidentally, I believe if you place a neodymium n42 magnet on the wall in your home opposite the smart meter it will probably bind the vile electromagnetics to it blinding it and nullifying its nasty health effects. Hope someone can try this out.....
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they have been installing smart water meters around the southcoast, Southernwater have been installing smart water meters, replacing the standard water meters that usually are located just outside the front of the property under the pavement, these meters are aprox 2 feet under the pavement and are still able to send the 800-900mhz signal to the passing vehicle that collects the data, so these devices have to emit a very strong signal.

Strangely it seems they only do a few house on a street at a time and not the whole street in one go, my guess is if a large number of people on a street started complaining of those symptoms of dizziness sleep disruption etc the residents could more easily identify the cause. which would not be good for Southernwater.

i know for a fact these meters disrupt my sleep whenever i stay in my relatives house, since the installation of the meter i rarely get more than 2 hours sleep before waking up for absolutely no reason. im worried what the long term effect is having on their young children.

foil will reduce the signal strength but if your neighbor has a meter its pretty pointless.

this is the water meter Southernwater is using http://arad.co.il/product/dialog3g-register/ Arad is an Israeli based company.



http://www.bemri.org/publications/bi...rt-meters.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/smart-m...exposure/31891



heres the 'smart' water meter propaganda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEy8-L1xzyk
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they have been installing smart water meters around the southcoast, Southernwater have been installing smart water meters, replacing the standard water meters that usually are located just outside the front of the property under the pavement, these meters are aprox 2 feet under the pavement and are still able to send the 800-900mhz signal to the passing vehicle that collects the data, so these devices have to emit a very strong signal.

Strangely it seems they only do a few house on a street at a time and not the whole street in one go, my guess is if a large number of people on a street started complaining of those symptoms of dizziness sleep disruption etc the residents could more easily identify the cause. which would not be good for Southernwater.

i know for a fact these meters disrupt my sleep whenever i stay in my relatives house, since the installation of the meter i rarely get more than 2 hours sleep before waking up for absolutely no reason. im worried what the long term effect is having on their young children.

foil will reduce the signal strength but if your neighbor has a meter its pretty pointless.

this is the water meter Southernwater is using http://arad.co.il/product/dialog3g-register/ Arad is an Israeli based company.



http://www.bemri.org/publications/bi...rt-meters.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/smart-m...exposure/31891



heres the 'smart' water meter propaganda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEy8-L1xzyk

Interesting, in the implementation docs it's mentioned over and over that it will be an electricity smart meter that will have water measurement added to it.

If they are installing smart meters for water then perhaps it can have the electricity combined with it at a later date also? another way to hook you by subterfuge.

Does this water smart meter in anyway resemble the electricity one?. If so, I think we need to know about this.
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Interesting, in the implementation docs it's mentioned over and over that it will be an electricity smart meter that will have water measurement added to it.

If they are installing smart meters for water then perhaps it can have the electricity combined with it at a later date also? another way to hook you by subterfuge.

Does this water smart meter in anyway resemble the electricity one?. If so, I think we need to know about this.
im pretty sure it would be separate to the main electricity supply meter.

when they mention electric in the docs i think they referring to the constant charging batteries (by water flow i assume) that are contained in the meter unit, it say the batteries have a ten year life span in the unit.
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If the electricity/gas smart meters have been "officially" put on ice until certain issues with them have been looked into, then it would be folly for these water smart meters to be aggressively and widely installed if they in any way resembled the electricity/gas ones. So they must be designed to operate separately, even if the endgame is the same.
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