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Old 17-04-2010, 02:59 PM   #1
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This phrase gets a lot of usage on this forum and I would like to make sure that it comes with the caveat, "From a variety of sources"

Please dont define your research to freeman/lawful rebellion sites and open it up to the entire net and librarys.

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Old 17-04-2010, 03:53 PM   #2
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I agree with asky.
("What a surprise" they cry out in chorus)

If any on here can stomach a sensible approach to basics of law this is a pretty good study:

http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/course/v...2987&topic=all

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Old 17-04-2010, 07:37 PM   #3
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Old 17-04-2010, 08:05 PM   #4
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oh jeez get a different job you two.
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Old 17-04-2010, 08:09 PM   #5
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This phrase gets a lot of usage on this forum and I would like to make sure that it comes with the caveat, "From a variety of sources"

Please dont define your research to freeman/lawful rebellion sites and open it up to the entire net and librarys.

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Is that refine not define or do perhaps?

And what does that last sentence actually mean?
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Old 17-04-2010, 08:26 PM   #6
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oh jeez get a different job you two.
Of course, bones.
You are only able to observe everything from one perspective.
I wouldn't expect anything more of you.

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Old 17-04-2010, 08:31 PM   #7
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What is Law #6? Do you even know?

Expand your research base, and do a little thinking..
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Old 17-04-2010, 08:32 PM   #8
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Is that refine not define or do perhaps?
No the statement stands as it is
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define
to determine or fix the boundaries or extent of: to define property with stakes.
"Dont define" means dont restrict your research to sites with an agenda.

Sorry if it went over your head mark

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Old 17-04-2010, 08:52 PM   #9
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No the statement stands as it is


"Dont define" means dont restrict your research to sites with an agenda.

Sorry if it went over your head mark

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I know what it meant - thank you asky.

It just did not look grammatical - that's all.

Anyway, it's been my experience that many on those "agenda" sites are actually very good researchers and research books like Gilbert's Trust Law - which may be the next area to be blown wide open.

As one researcher put it

If it walks like a contract, talks like a contract, then it's probably a trust.
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Old 17-04-2010, 08:55 PM   #10
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As one researcher put it

If it walks like a contract, talks like a contract, then it's probably a trust.
Which researcher would that be then?

asky

PS What area has been "blown wide open" that we have all missed?

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Old 17-04-2010, 08:59 PM   #11
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What is Law #6? Do you even know?

Expand your research base, and do a little thinking..
Why does it bother you so much when I suggest it may be a good idea to consider not only FOTL ideology but alternative viewpoints also?
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Which researcher would that be then?

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I forget his name , but, he has been researching trusts for a number of months now along with some others.

It's a new area for the freeman and it has potential by the looks of it.

So. I'm going through Gilbert's myself these days. A bit slow to start with.
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Old 17-04-2010, 09:02 PM   #13
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I forget his name , but, he has been researching trusts for a number of months now along with some others.
Try and remember please because an advanced google search of that quote brings back nothing , so I would be interested to know where you read it.

I presume you see him as an expert now after "a number of months"

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Why does it bother you so much when I suggest it may be a good idea to consider not only FOTL ideology but alternative viewpoints also?
Research everywhere through every resource, but don't forget to think for yourself.

What is Law 6?
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Try and remember please because an advanced google search of that quote brings back nothing , so I would be interested to know where you read it.

I presume you see him as an expert now after "a number of months"

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Well, he and others have more knowledge of Trust's and their oft insidiousness if that's what you mean.

From what I have found out - Credit Agreements appear to be trusts - no consideration needed.

Many trusts can be invisible - with no written form - just an action - perhaps like entering a court for example - I'm a bit hazy on that.

Anyway, I'm not knowledgeable enough yet - but I will be.

So yes - I will take advice - but like always I will find out for myself - hence Gilbert's Trust Law book.
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Old 18-04-2010, 06:43 PM   #16
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So yes - I will take advice - but like always I will find out for myself - hence Gilbert's Trust Law book.
I'd give that one a miss - its a US book (as is the much hallowed Blacks Legal Dictionary) . A riveting read no doubt but next to useless for an England & Wales resident.
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Old 18-04-2010, 06:59 PM   #17
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Well, he and others have more knowledge of Trust's and their oft insidiousness if that's what you mean.

From what I have found out - Credit Agreements appear to be trusts - no consideration needed.

Many trusts can be invisible - with no written form - just an action - perhaps like entering a court for example - I'm a bit hazy on that.

Anyway, I'm not knowledgeable enough yet - but I will be.

So yes - I will take advice - but like always I will find out for myself - hence Gilbert's Trust Law book.
Credit agreements are not trusts. There is consideration. Anyone with even a cursory understanding of trust law could tell you that the structure of a trust is an entirely different entity to a consumer credit agreement. I presume you do mean a consumer credit agreement as other forms of credit agreement don't generally have a statutory prescribed form - which would rather defeat your argument.

I think I'll trust my 15 years of working in law and my two law degrees over some dipstick (the researcher, not you) that has spent a few months "researching" and having not got the basics right, now doesn't understand the significance of the text of these "law books" and makes a mess of it.

Trusts are a very interesting construct and can arise in a number of ways. It is also a very complex area - and not really suitable for beginners.
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Credit agreements are not trusts. There is consideration. Anyone with even a cursory understanding of trust law could tell you that the structure of a trust is an entirely different entity to a consumer credit agreement. I presume you do mean a consumer credit agreement as other forms of credit agreement don't generally have a statutory prescribed form - which would rather defeat your argument.

I think I'll trust my 15 years of working in law and my two law degrees over some dipstick (the researcher, not you) that has spent a few months "researching" and having not got the basics right, now doesn't understand the significance of the text of these "law books" and makes a mess of it.

Trusts are a very interesting construct and can arise in a number of ways. It is also a very complex area - and not really suitable for beginners.
It's a young field and you may be correct - then again.....

As for the complexity - I will not argue there but once the terminology is sorted out in my and others heads then that makes it much easier. It is a lot easier to look at now than it was just a few short weeks ago - and every journey starts with....

It does appear to be the key and it looks like everything is a trust. But, I don't expect you to agree with that. What about if you've been fooled by them as well?

As I say - you may be correct.
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Credit agreements are not trusts. There is consideration. Anyone with even a cursory understanding of trust law could tell you that the structure of a trust is an entirely different entity to a consumer credit agreement. I presume you do mean a consumer credit agreement as other forms of credit agreement don't generally have a statutory prescribed form - which would rather defeat your argument.

I think I'll trust my 15 years of working in law and my two law degrees over some dipstick (the researcher, not you) that has spent a few months "researching" and having not got the basics right, now doesn't understand the significance of the text of these "law books" and makes a mess of it.

Trusts are a very interesting construct and can arise in a number of ways. It is also a very complex area - and not really suitable for beginners.
As for consideration - that's the point - when these loan companies are challenged on that they never produce evidence that consideration on their part was shown.

Just another piece in the jigsaw.
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asky, i see youre reading.

offtopic but you wont mind, heres easy sundie win4 @jref, thisll win hands down.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112753
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