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Old 08-11-2013, 12:44 PM   #361
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You'd have thought so, but he seems to be maintaining quite a high profile recently, to the point where even mobile phone staring facebook users are starting to post links to his interview with Paxo.
I haven't really followed him since. Has he said anything else after the interview? Has he made any comments about editing of his interview? Has he ever said anything about 9/11, 7/7, central banks or Israel? Just wondered.
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I haven't really followed him since. Has he said anything else after the interview? Has he made any comments about editing of his interview? Has he ever said anything about 9/11, 7/7, central banks or Israel? Just wondered.

The real heroes of the anti-NWO movement get killed or jailed on trumped up charges. I believe that Mr. Brand will be with us for many years to come.

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I haven't really followed him since. Has he said anything else after the interview? Has he made any comments about editing of his interview? Has he ever said anything about 9/11, 7/7, central banks or Israel? Just wondered.
why would it matter either way?
in the interview, he expressed ideas about the current state of the world.
(and did so very well)
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Old 08-11-2013, 04:41 PM   #364
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why would it matter either way? in the interview, he expressed ideas about the current state of the world. (and did so very well)
Zionism and central banks are totally key to any understanding, the roots even, of our current geopolitical situation. I will give Brand a fair hearing, but if he espouses any new political system that doesn't address those foundations he is either stupid or a liar. It would be almost as daft as the Scots voting for 'independence' post Lisbon Treaty. Ha ha ha. We will see.
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Brand vs Paxman on newsnight

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Old 08-11-2013, 07:11 PM   #366
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Yes, it is 100% NWO coopted, regardless of whether it had genuine origins or not, and has attained a 'brand like' - pardon the pun - status. Just like 'Al Qaeda'...
I hear you, and I can't take RB seriously either. But re ''Anonymous" I don't think it's fair to tar everybody with the same brush. I've no doubt some people with anonymous are controlled ''opposition''. On the flip side they describe themselves as a loosely associated network of activists and hackers? Apparently they don't have a centralized command structure, and there's a myriad of groups affiliated with them who operate on their own ideas and initiatives? They're described as "an internet gathering with a very loose and decentralized command structure that operates on ideas rather than directives". If this is true then it would be impossible to control every group involved, which means it's unlikely they're all controlled opposition. I quite like the idea of the masks myself, but RB.... hmm? I just don't know what to think sometimes about some of these groups..
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Old 08-11-2013, 09:23 PM   #367
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We should certainly not be celebrating "anyone who brings the message to the masses". The existence and use of disinformation is well known. If anyone is a likely candidate for being a disinformationist then Brand's your man.

Honestly, who would you rather have echoing your views on the mainstream media? Russell Brand or a well respected journalist? The very fact that he is allowed on tv, talking about this material in the first place, is a dead giveaway in my opinion.

In my opinion Brand is being targetted at the I'm Awake (But Not Really) crowd, and it seems like they are lapping it up. But not all, thank God.
I don't agree, you talk about the "awake" as a movement that is coherent in it's message, that there is a designated "truly awake" and then there is the "Brand awake". You can not say "disinformation" without looking at the information, what has Russell said that you consider disinformation.

No well respected journalist will echo the thinking of this site.

We need to get the masses thinking, the truth will arise from this, it is a good thing.

We need to stop seeing a conspiracy in everything and become the creators of the open conspiracy to subvert this paradigm.

Too much observing and not enough discussion on the alternative plan.
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Old 08-11-2013, 09:33 PM   #368
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I don't agree, you talk about the "awake" as a movement that is coherent in it's message, that there is a designated "truly awake" and then there is the "Brand awake". You can not say "disinformation" without looking at the information, what has Russell said that you consider disinformation.

No well respected journalist will echo the thinking of this site.

We need to get the masses thinking, the truth will arise from this, it is a good thing.

We need to stop seeing a conspiracy in everything and become the creators of the open conspiracy to subvert this paradigm.

Too much observing and not enough discussion on the alternative plan.
exactly ... all voices calling for change can contain some merit.
i don't care who brand sleeps with or does on weekends.
his character does not diminish his call for change in the paradigm.
the world is fucked.
anyone who can raise the awareness of this fact is helpful.
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I hear you, and I can't take RB seriously either. But re ''Anonymous" I don't think it's fair to tar everybody with the same brush. I've no doubt some people with anonymous are controlled ''opposition''. On the flip side they describe themselves as a loosely associated network of activists and hackers? Apparently they don't have a centralized command structure, and there's a myriad of groups affiliated with them who operate on their own ideas and initiatives? They're described as "an internet gathering with a very loose and decentralized command structure that operates on ideas rather than directives". If this is true then it would be impossible to control every group involved, which means it's unlikely they're all controlled opposition. I quite like the idea of the masks myself, but RB.... hmm? I just don't know what to think sometimes about some of these groups..
There might be some decent people fooled into acting under the banner, but the banner has now well and truly been seized by the PTB as another problem/reaction/solution carnival in my opinion. The PTB have probably ordered many of the attacks we hear about. It has turned into another 'Al Qaeda-esque' bogeyman brand. It may have had very genuine roots, but who knows for sure.
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who cares?
are you incapable if independent thought?
brand is not running for office or looking to marry your daughter.
who cares what kind of person he is? i don't.
i had never heard of him before this interview went viral.
i could not care less who he works for or who he sleeps with.
what he said makes damn good sense. i agree wholeheartedly.

what do you personally have to say about what brand says in this interview?
Exactly, lots of shooting the messenger but no informative discussion on the message.

PS. wow we agreed almost at the exact time with our sentiments. Cheers to that.
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PS. wow we agreed almost at the exact time with our sentiments. Cheers to that.
i'm watching a show about psychics.
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i'm watching a show about psychics.
Hey bikerdruid,

Russell espouses socialism, did I read you support a form of communism? I think you called it "true communism"? Can you point me in the direction of a thread where you detail that or can you here?

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This is untrue.

A Gandhi or a King or someone like this, to stand up and really connect with the masses could call for a peaceful non cooperation with the powers that be. A man or women who sees reality, who understands actually what the problems are, and perhaps more importantly, what the solutions are as well.

A humble man of the people, who lives the life they talk about, who leads by example, not a hypocritical celeb. A man like this could change the world. Just because it's very, very rare in history means nothing. The future as they say, is unwritten.
This. The voice of reason. Well said, neilbe. And no matter what one thinks of his character or 'perceives' what others think of his character, whether it's wild delusions, pretence or actually grounded in reality, nothing - but nothing - can change that.
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Strange...I also happen to think that someone humble (like Mr Icke) is better placed to get the message across.
Brand presensts himself as an irreverent, hedonistic twit....which is OK....except I'm concerned that some of that irreverent twittery will find its way into the delivery of 'the message'...The delivery has to be tailored to the audience too: Paxman is pretty quick-witted...and doesn't suffer fools gladly. Brand did himself no favours.


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Hey bikerdruid,

Russell espouses socialism, did I read you support a form of communism? I think you called it "true communism"? Can you point me in the direction of a thread where you detail that or can you here?

Cheers.
i am a 'commune-ist'.
i believe as do many others that a centralized government is counter productive to true commune-ism.
when all the means of production is run by the workers, and communities and bioregions are locally managed, the government becomes unnecessary.

in reality this is the goal of anarchist communism.
Anarchist communism (also known as anarcho-communism, free communism, libertarian communism, and communist anarchism) is a theory of anarchism which advocates the abolition of the state, capitalism, wages and private property (while retaining respect for personal property), and in favor of common ownership of the means of production, direct democracy, and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

http://libcom.org/thought/anarchist-...n-introduction

Anarchist communism is a form of anarchism that advocates the abolition of the State and capitalism in favour of a horizontal network of voluntary associations through which everyone will be free to satisfy his or her needs.

Anarchist communism is also known as anarcho-communism, communist anarchism, or, sometimes, libertarian communism. However, while all anarchist communists are libertarian communists, some libertarian communists, such as council communists, are not anarchists. What distinguishes anarchist communism from other variants of libertarian communism is the formers opposition to all forms of political power, hierarchy and domination.

Anarchist communism stresses egalitarianism and the abolition of social hierarchy and class distinctions that arise from unequal wealth distribution, the abolition of capitalism and money, and the collective production and distribution of wealth by means of voluntary associations. In anarchist communism, the state and property no longer exist. Each individual and group is free to contribute to production and to satisfy their needs based on their own choice. Systems of production and distribution are managed by their participants.

The abolition of wage labour is central to anarchist communism. With distribution of wealth being based on self-determined needs, people will be free to engage in whatever activities they find most fulfilling and will no longer have to engage in work for which they have neither the temperament nor the aptitude. Anarchist communists argue that there is no valid way of measuring the value of any one person's economic contributions because all wealth is a collective product of current and preceding generations. Anarchist communists argue that any economic system based on wage labour and private property will require a coercive state apparatus to enforce property rights and to maintain the unequal economic relationships that will inevitably arise.

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i am a 'commune-ist'.
i believe as do many others that a centralized government is counter productive to true commune-ism.
when all the means of production is run by the workers, and communities and bioregions are locally managed, the government becomes unnecessary.

in reality this is the goal of anarchist communism.
Anarchist communism (also known as anarcho-communism, free communism, libertarian communism, and communist anarchism) is a theory of anarchism which advocates the abolition of the state, capitalism, wages and private property (while retaining respect for personal property), and in favor of common ownership of the means of production, direct democracy, and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

http://libcom.org/thought/anarchist-...n-introduction

Anarchist communism is a form of anarchism that advocates the abolition of the State and capitalism in favour of a horizontal network of voluntary associations through which everyone will be free to satisfy his or her needs.

Anarchist communism is also known as anarcho-communism, communist anarchism, or, sometimes, libertarian communism. However, while all anarchist communists are libertarian communists, some libertarian communists, such as council communists, are not anarchists. What distinguishes anarchist communism from other variants of libertarian communism is the formers opposition to all forms of political power, hierarchy and domination.

Anarchist communism stresses egalitarianism and the abolition of social hierarchy and class distinctions that arise from unequal wealth distribution, the abolition of capitalism and money, and the collective production and distribution of wealth by means of voluntary associations. In anarchist communism, the state and property no longer exist. Each individual and group is free to contribute to production and to satisfy their needs based on their own choice. Systems of production and distribution are managed by their participants.

The abolition of wage labour is central to anarchist communism. With distribution of wealth being based on self-determined needs, people will be free to engage in whatever activities they find most fulfilling and will no longer have to engage in work for which they have neither the temperament nor the aptitude. Anarchist communists argue that there is no valid way of measuring the value of any one person's economic contributions because all wealth is a collective product of current and preceding generations. Anarchist communists argue that any economic system based on wage labour and private property will require a coercive state apparatus to enforce property rights and to maintain the unequal economic relationships that will inevitably arise.
Thank you.

I like:

- the abolition of the state, capitalism, wages and private property (while retaining respect for personal property), and in favor of common ownership of the means of production, direct democracy, and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

I think Anarchist Communists fears can be overcome by the use of technology.

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i am a 'commune-ist'.
i believe as do many others that a centralized government is counter productive to true commune-ism.
when all the means of production is run by the workers, and communities and bioregions are locally managed, the government becomes unnecessary.

in reality this is the goal of anarchist communism.
Anarchist communism (also known as anarcho-communism, free communism, libertarian communism, and communist anarchism) is a theory of anarchism which advocates the abolition of the state, capitalism, wages and private property (while retaining respect for personal property), and in favor of common ownership of the means of production, direct democracy, and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

http://libcom.org/thought/anarchist-...n-introduction

Anarchist communism is a form of anarchism that advocates the abolition of the State and capitalism in favour of a horizontal network of voluntary associations through which everyone will be free to satisfy his or her needs.

Anarchist communism is also known as anarcho-communism, communist anarchism, or, sometimes, libertarian communism. However, while all anarchist communists are libertarian communists, some libertarian communists, such as council communists, are not anarchists. What distinguishes anarchist communism from other variants of libertarian communism is the formers opposition to all forms of political power, hierarchy and domination.

Anarchist communism stresses egalitarianism and the abolition of social hierarchy and class distinctions that arise from unequal wealth distribution, the abolition of capitalism and money, and the collective production and distribution of wealth by means of voluntary associations. In anarchist communism, the state and property no longer exist. Each individual and group is free to contribute to production and to satisfy their needs based on their own choice. Systems of production and distribution are managed by their participants.

The abolition of wage labour is central to anarchist communism. With distribution of wealth being based on self-determined needs, people will be free to engage in whatever activities they find most fulfilling and will no longer have to engage in work for which they have neither the temperament nor the aptitude. Anarchist communists argue that there is no valid way of measuring the value of any one person's economic contributions because all wealth is a collective product of current and preceding generations. Anarchist communists argue that any economic system based on wage labour and private property will require a coercive state apparatus to enforce property rights and to maintain the unequal economic relationships that will inevitably arise.
At last a good explanation similar to my own model of design, helping those who want to help themselves, not those who want to help themselves to your labour because they have hidden powers, often disguised as something else.

Commune-istic is the word I would use, a full reversal of what Mr Lenin was offering his own people. To do this we need to reinstall the Articifers of old in the annals of admin = A seasoned elder with all the right knowledge of what is needed, put out to grass roots in latter years if you like, of and for the future people in an advisory setting.

For example, take our leaders today, what could they actually make or know how the many items were made.

Your an Articifer like myself, a biker of old, maker of things, we could be some of those people who restore the fluidity in society.

Respect to everyone else but not to those who think I owe them a living for nothing, when we cease walking in shoes made in children's eyes, we begin to understand what life is all about, and children can be children once again.
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Don't like to say it but. It looks acted, not natural.
I thought it looked good.

I thought Russell had some great sentiments and Jeremy paxo was on a back foot.
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Jeremy paxman is a pompous prick, what's new for his ilk though. I don't expect anything better from these establishment mouth pieces, and of course that's why they're all put there in the first place. He constantly tried to ridicule alternatives by implying not voting somehow doesn't give one any 'authority' to talk about politics... duh. I don't jump out of aeroplanes without a f*****g parachute Mr Paxman, but I can sure as hell tell you that it aint a good idea, you tit. Are you listening mr Paxman?

Russel did O.k and said a few good things. I especially liked his reply when paxman says ''but that's how democracies work'', Russel then replies by saying he wasn't not voting out of apathy, rather he's not voting out of absolute indifference to the lies and deceit of the political classes.

Whether it's all staged or not, who knows? I'm sceptical of any high profile person. At least Russel says some good things, and if it makes some people question the system and start thinking for themselves outside of the present charade, then that can't be a bad thing.
I think he gave Paxo a right stuffing!
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