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Old 18-12-2010, 03:59 PM   #1
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Default Visa & Mastercard are US spying organisations.

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Visa and Mastercard both received lobbying support from the Department of State under President Obama, the latest Cablegate release reveals.

A cable from the Moscow embassy, dated 1st February 2010, details a new Russian card processing law which the embassy said would “disadvantage U.S businesses”, and urged senior US officials to take action. (click here).

“This draft law continues to disadvantage U.S. payment card market leaders Visa and MasterCard, whether they join the National Payment Card System or not,” it said.

Russia was considering whether to implement a new system of card payments (called NPCS), which would create a new payment processor run by Russia’s state banks. This would then handle all processing for domestic banking in the country.

“The fees for these services are estimated at Rb 120 billion ($4 billion) annually...the vast majority of Visa’s business in Russia is done with cards issued and used in Russia; with earnings from processing going to NPCS, Visa would no longer profit from these transactions.”

When discussing possible causes of the restrictive legislation, a senior Visa employee in the country told embassy officials he believed the move was due to Russian suspicions that Visa and Mastercard passed information to the US government.

“[Redacted] believes that, at least at the Deputy Minister level, MinFin’s hands are tied. Implying that Russian security services were behind this decision, [redacted] said, ‘There is some se-cret (government) order that no one has seen, but everyone has to abide by it." “As described reftel, credit card company and bank representatives have told us that GOR (government of Russia) officials apparently assume that US payment systems routinely share data associated with payment transactions by Russian cardholders with intelligence services in the US and elsewhere.”

The embassy’s economic officer, Matthias Mitman, concluded his cable by calling for action.

“While the draft legislation has yet to be submitted to the Duma and can still be amended, post will continue to raise our concerns with senior GOR officials,” he said.

“We recommend that senior USG officials also take advantage of meetings with their Russian counterparts, including through the Bilateral Presidential Commission, to press the GOR to change the draft text to ensure U.S. payment companies are not adversely affected.”
From Wikileaks.

It's probably not just Russians but everyone. I don't think this amounts to mere suspicions but reasonable suspicions.
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Old 18-12-2010, 04:03 PM   #2
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We do this to protect our nation and truth an justice and liberty for all.

Say otherwise and you are an "enemy combatant ans we will process ou"

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Old 18-12-2010, 04:05 PM   #3
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Yep...and it's reasonable to assume any body will collect info on any user....data available for a price..?
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Old 18-12-2010, 04:13 PM   #4
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Yep...and it's reasonable to assume any body will collect info on any user....data available for a price..?
Just like the nazis want it.

Oh....can I say nazi in a general sense or do i have to us some code like 88 ?

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Old 18-12-2010, 04:18 PM   #5
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I say it like I see it...NAZI...!!!
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Old 18-12-2010, 05:39 PM   #6
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Visa and Mastercard and many other such billing organizations should have been shut down when keyz was closed in Dallas Texas (possibly before) as visa and mastercard was selling access to child pornography via their payment method. Here is a google link http://is.gd/iY9eO to research as I don't have the exact link but those results go into detail once you read them &

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In April 1999, United States Postal Inspection Service of Texas had received an internal complaint via postal inspector Robert Adams. Adams had received a tip from an acquaintance in Saint Paul, Minnesota, Ronnie Miller, who provided information in relation to a website advertising child pornography.
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Thomas Reedy was a self-taught computer programmer and entrepreneur located in the Ft. Worth, Texas, area. He developed a website called Landslide Productions, Inc., to provide middleman services for the adult pornography industry, which he ran with his wife Janice. Landslide quickly became successful, drawing some 300,000 subscribers from three continents and sixty countries. In just two years, the company made USD 10 million.[10]

Landslide provided automated payment systems for adult webmasters so that the webmasters could sign up to the system online, and users accessing the websites would go through the payment or login system before being granted access. The principal systems were AVS for Adult Verification System and Keyz which operated via the keyz.com domain name owned by Landslide. These systems were meant to protect the companies legally, as the credit card was used to verify that the user attempting to access an adult website was of legal age to view the website's content.[11]

In 1998 Thomas Reedy recognized systematic fraud in the system. To protect his business from chargebacks on disputed fees, Reedy traced the source of the traffic and set up a new web service called Badcard.com. However, his measures failed to stop the fraudulent charges which put Landslide out of business in August 1999.[12]
above a snipet of the wikii document. When the internet was introduced to the public in maybe 1990 ish times, it was very possible to have advertisements showing up also on child porn sites for many organizations ads. If anyone wants to research this, they can find the documentation. I have read many of the stories but due to the government not upgrading the internet here (am still on dial up because its the only thing available here) I have thousands of links to visit one day when broadband becomes available here spread within many drives and 3 of the drives have stopped working so the other ones are put away for safe keeping till they can at least be backed up before sifting threw them. They have many of the news stories linked to the bookmarks in various folders.
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