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Old 05-06-2015, 08:39 AM   #41
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every moment of your life can be a meditation
i dare say 95%+ of the worldly people on this planet do not/have not
practiced any kind of meditation
they abide in ignorance, stupidity and unawareness
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Old 05-06-2015, 11:55 AM   #42
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That is pretty much it.

What poses as spirituality seems like multi level marketing and or an ego driven desire to see yourself as being above those you believe to be less evolved.
well that isn't limited to mainstream spirituality.

happens a lot in truther movement too. HOw many times will we in disgust resort to calling people sheep or brain washed idiots out of frustration for them not seeing our point? I am guilty of it as well especially when arguing with statists and fascists. But we have to keep in mind that at one stage when we were unconscious we were like that as well. This i'm trying to be mindful of now.
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Old 05-06-2015, 11:59 AM   #43
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every moment of your life can be a meditation
i dare say 95%+ of the worldly people on this planet do not/have not
practiced any kind of meditation
they abide in ignorance, stupidity and unawareness
I believe it is the hermetic tradition that said the true age of a person is the amount of time they managed to stay present in their entire lives. It is believed that for most this number is less then a year. Hence why humanity is a spiritual infant.
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Old 05-06-2015, 12:10 PM   #44
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I believe it is the hermetic tradition that said the true age of a person is the amount of time they managed to stay present in their entire lives. It is believed that for most this number is less then a year. Hence why humanity is a spiritual infant.
a spiritual infant! exactly.
but being present/total letting go is the most difficult thing in the world
i believe its the highest practice. a lot of people can do it----for a few
seconds/minutes. very demanding and largely it is pure endurance and
sometimes it might be a good idea not to do it--maybe something easier
to get rid of some extreme states
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Old 05-06-2015, 12:58 PM   #45
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Interesting thread and I've started to wonder about the safety of meditation
at these times. The NHS is pushing Mindfulness as a valid treatment for all sorts of medcial conditions. But I dont trust the NHS.

Emptying your mind might leave people vulnerable to attack?
The boundaries of our world have become weakend and confused, so is meditation safe?
I would say stilling the mind as I don't think it can ever really be empty
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Old 05-06-2015, 01:01 PM   #46
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well that isn't limited to mainstream spirituality.

happens a lot in truther movement too. HOw many times will we in disgust resort to calling people sheep or brain washed idiots out of frustration for them not seeing our point? I am guilty of it as well especially when arguing with statists and fascists. But we have to keep in mind that at one stage when we were unconscious we were like that as well. This i'm trying to be mindful of now.
For some people its more of a power trip I think rather than an act of frustration.

At the end of the day people have to accept that not everybody will agree with each other and that is their right.
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Old 05-06-2015, 03:26 PM   #47
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a spiritual infant! exactly.
but being present/total letting go is the most difficult thing in the world
i believe its the highest practice. a lot of people can do it----for a few
seconds/minutes. very demanding and largely it is pure endurance and
sometimes it might be a good idea not to do it--maybe something easier
to get rid of some extreme states
it is difficult. I see it as a muscle you have to build up. Definitely not something you can do overnight or in the span of a 3 month course. But definitely something that everyone should be focused on building instead of giving their energy to pursuits of money, sex or following keeping up with the kardashians
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Old 06-06-2015, 12:13 PM   #48
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it is difficult. I see it as a muscle you have to build up. Definitely not something you can do overnight or in the span of a 3 month course. But definitely something that everyone should be focused on building instead of giving their energy to pursuits of money, sex or following keeping up with the kardashians
thats exactly it---building a muscle-a spiritual muscle. 3 month retreats are
definitely the way to go if youre serious. in korea it is said that theres 40
real practice monasteries in the country---deadly serious places. the smmer
retreat is 3 months every day no break. winter retreat the same 3 months
get up about 3am and theres at least 12hrs of sitting and walking mandatory
practice wiyh a bit of chanting also. ive done 5 of those retreats. its the very
best thing you can do with your life
but even 1hr practice is good---much better than nothing
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Old 20-02-2018, 01:53 PM   #49
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Meditating on 'necessary evil'

What do y'all think of this?
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Meditation: looking for the milky teat of God to get away from reality. Get your dose of God's love drugs folks so you can pretend you are doing something to help the world.

And a report in NEW SCIENTIST magazine says it damages certain parts of your brain dealing with spatial awareness.
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Old 20-08-2018, 05:05 PM   #51
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UG Krishnamurti's take on meditation

Pg 268 of Biology of Enlightenment

Paul: But meditation does give results.

UG: Yes, meditation gives immediate results and that is what you want. But, basically, meditation is in the opposite direction, although it produces the result you want. It is not in the direction of liquidating what you want to liquidate.

Paul: Meditation also makes feel free.

UG: Feeling free is not good enough (laughs). Even a drunkard feels free and something extraordinary. He gets strength to do something which he cannot do normally. Meditation produces exactly the same thing. Feeling important, peaceful, free, doesn't mean anything. It comes and then it's gone. Since it is moving, you want to find a permanent thing. You want permanent peace, but there is no such thing. Everything is a movement of thought. Feeling free, happy, blissful are all thoughts and they have to move, they cannot stay. When you understand that, there is nothing you can do about the movement of thought, and your approach to the subject changes.

See, what is the purpose behind meditating again and again? You have felt something good and you want that back again and again. After that feeling is gone you are back again in the same rut. But when you let that move in its own way what comes next is also a peaceful thing. Anything that happens is what it is.

But here meditation is a way of life. Everything you look at is a mystery to you. This is the movement of life which you don't manipulate according to your wishes. In fact, there are no wishes. But the problem with you is that you read thoughts, some as desirable and some as not desirable, bad, evil and so on.

Paul: No, when I am meditating I don't censor thoughts. I let them come and go.

UG: Then why do you have to meditate? It is an endless process, thoughts keep coming and going. You can't empty the ocean. But you hope that one day you will, and that will never happen.

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Old 21-08-2018, 04:26 PM   #52
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My gut reaction is that is controller propaganda to scare people away from discovering they are creator beings.
Same old idea akin to needing a priest as a mediator to "god".
Total bullshit.
Exactly.
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Old 21-08-2018, 05:38 PM   #53
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Meditation of course is a liberating experience for the soul I believe that there are powers that do not want people to come into their own powers, namely government and authorities that have people under control like dogs on a leash if we understand that conciousness is a dangerous weapon if one masters it the few would indeed be scared of the masses.
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A book recently published 'The Buddha Pill: Can Meditation Change You?' by Dr Miguel
Farias and Catherine Wikholm'
has caught the attention of the MSM recently, an article
in the Independent and another in New Scientist magazine:


Panic, depression and stress: The case against meditation.


There seems to be a genuine concern here, or is meditation under attack from dark and
unseen forces within the media and its Judeo-Christian controllers?


THE INDEPENDENT 21 May 2015



Meditation is touted as a cure for mental instability
but can it actually be bad for you?


If it's so powerful, might meditation also do harm to sensitive souls? Researching a
mass murder, Dr Miguel Farias discovered that, far from bringing inner peace, it can leave
devotees in pieces



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Why would jews and christians suppress meditation when its actually mentioned in the bible? do they suppress their own books?
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every moment of your life can be a meditation
i dare say 95%+ of the worldly people on this planet do not/have not
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they abide in ignorance, stupidity and unawareness
Maybe these moments can be mindfullness but meditation is the next step up.
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i honesty think the whole spiritual path stuff is a load of bollocks and was created just to distract. just as all the religions do also.
I know people who are spiritual and they seem very lost in today's society, I was advised to stay away from spiritualism because it might fuck up my mind.
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I know people who are spiritual and they seem very lost in today's society, I was advised to stay away from spiritualism because it might fuck up my mind.
Advised by who and why did they claim this?
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Advised by who and why did they claim this?
I think he was afraid it would mess up my mind.
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I know people who are spiritual and they seem very lost in today's society, I was advised to stay away from spiritualism because it might fuck up my mind.
One has to be careful about word usage and meanings past and present when they were or are being hijacked for other purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritualism
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I think he was afraid it would mess up my mind.
So somebody else was afraid? you have to ask yourself why they would have such a fear. Was it because they had genuine concern, were just afraid that you might change and grow beyond them, or are they just trying to control you? what is this persons background as a lot of people who warn against personal development are generally pew dwellers.
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