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I'm currently working on an article about this symbol for my SRICF College.
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I'm currently working on an article about this symbol for my SRICF College.
I didn't know you run a college.
Will you be including the breakdown on colours, direction, symbols on it etc?

I have a question for you. How come they put only fixed zodiac signs i.e. Taurus, Aquarius, Leo? I can't see Scorpio so that is also mind boggling.
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I didn't know you run a college.
Will you be including the breakdown on colours, direction, symbols on it etc?

I have a question for you. How come they put only fixed zodiac signs i.e. Taurus, Aquarius, Leo? I can't see Scorpio so that is also mind boggling.
Im quite sure that the Golden Dawn books describe the symbolism of this cross very thoroughly.

Here is a nice website that also explains it:

http://goldendawnancientmysteryschoo...e-cross-lamen/
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Old 14-09-2018, 09:00 AM   #45
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The Societas Rosicruciana in Civitatibus Foederatis (SRICF), or Rosicrucian Society in the United States, is an invitation-only group whose membership is predicated on regular mainstream Masonic affiliation. The basic organizational unit of the SRICF is known as the College and, within the United States, there is one per State (exceptions being New York, Texas, and California). The officers of a College are the Chief Adept (similar to a SGIG in the Scottish Rite or DDGM in the Blue Lodge), Celebrant (WM), Suffragan (SW), Treasurer, Secretary, First Ancient, Second Ancient, Third Ancient, Fourth Ancient, Conductor of Novices, First Herald, Second Herald, Torch Bearer, Guardian of the Caverns, Prelate, Medalist, and Acolyte. This body is presided over by the Chief Adept who, along with the Secretary and Treasurer, is appointed by the Supreme Magus, the head of the High Council which is the national governing body of the order. The Celebrant, Suffragan, and the four Ancients are elected annually by the members of that particular College. The other officers of the College are appointed by the Chief Adept.

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Will you be including the breakdown on colours, direction, symbols on it etc?
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I have a question for you. How come they put only fixed zodiac signs i.e. Taurus, Aquarius, Leo? I can't see Scorpio so that is also mind boggling.
Because those signs correspond to the Four Directions, Four Elements, and so on.
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I'm currently working on an article about this symbol for my SRICF College.
right so you acknowledge that freemasonry is a magical order?

your avatar is the hermit tarot card which is qabalistic

so you acknowledge that freemasonry is qabalistic?

try and be honest for once in your life
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The Societas Rosicruciana in Civitatibus Foederatis (SRICF), or Rosicrucian Society in the United States, is an invitation-only group whose membership is predicated on regular mainstream Masonic affiliation. The basic organizational unit of the SRICF is known as the College and, within the United States, there is one per State (exceptions being New York, Texas, and California). The officers of a College are the Chief Adept (similar to a SGIG in the Scottish Rite or DDGM in the Blue Lodge), Celebrant (WM), Suffragan (SW), Treasurer, Secretary, First Ancient, Second Ancient, Third Ancient, Fourth Ancient, Conductor of Novices, First Herald, Second Herald, Torch Bearer, Guardian of the Caverns, Prelate, Medalist, and Acolyte. This body is presided over by the Chief Adept who, along with the Secretary and Treasurer, is appointed by the Supreme Magus, the head of the High Council which is the national governing body of the order. The Celebrant, Suffragan, and the four Ancients are elected annually by the members of that particular College. The other officers of the College are appointed by the Chief Adept.


Yes.


Because those signs correspond to the Four Directions, Four Elements, and so on.
No, that's not my question.
Fixed signs except Scorpio are there and missed out on mutable and cardinal signs.....
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right so you acknowledge that freemasonry is a magical order?

your avatar is the hermit tarot card which is qabalistic

so you acknowledge that freemasonry is qabalistic?

try and be honest for once in your life
You know they uses Pick 'n' Mix.

A bit of kabala, some from the ancient egypt etc....
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right so you acknowledge that freemasonry is a magical order?
I made no such statement one way or the other.

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your avatar is the hermit tarot card which is qabalistic
The Hermit: http://www.travelingtemplar.com/2018...th-hermit.html

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so you acknowledge that freemasonry is qabalistic?
Freemasonry is influenced by many philosophies such as the Kabbalah.

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No, that's not my question.
Fixed signs except Scorpio are there and missed out on mutable and cardinal signs.....
Maybe I'm just missing your point. I apologize. I'm preoccupied right now.
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I made no such statement one way or the other..
you seem to have an honesty deficit

answer the question: is freemasonry a magical order?
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Nowhere did I mention Freemasonry being a magical order. You're trying to put words into my mouth. Freemasonry is a fraternity and an initiatic order. The end.
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Nowhere did I mention Freemasonry being a magical order. You're trying to put words into my mouth. Freemasonry is a fraternity and an initiatic order. The end.
so for the record are you saying categorically that freemasonry is not involved in magical ritual?

yes or no?

it's a simple question

i know you borg guys have trouble levelling with people and being upright and giving a straight answer to a straight question but give it a go!
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can't seem to get a straight answer from this guy

He is a PR disaster for the lodge!

anyone watching these exchanges will hear this guy claiming he is a lodge leader and see him being a slippery little devil and they'll think ''well if freemasonry is full of slippery little so and so's who can't even give a straight answer to a straight question and who actually promote people like that to positions of leadership within that organisation then why the heck would i want to have anything to do with an organisation like that?'

what people are looking for these days is truth not lies, denials and stonewalling

you're redundant
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answer the question: is freemasonry a magical order?
No point in asking. We know they are.
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can't seem to get a straight answer from this guy

He is a PR disaster for the lodge!

anyone watching these exchanges will hear this guy claiming he is a lodge leader and see him being a slippery little devil and they'll think ''well if freemasonry is full of slippery little so and so's who can't even give a straight answer to a straight question and who actually promote people like that to positions of leadership within that organisation then why the heck would i want to have anything to do with an organisation like that?'

what people are looking for these days is truth not lies, denials and stonewalling

you're redundant
Clearly it's a slippery organisation for slippery people.
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so for the record are you saying categorically that freemasonry is not involved in magical ritual?
Why would you think that our rituals involved "magic?"

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I do give you answers, but most of the time you guys don't like them.

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anyone watching these exchanges will hear this guy claiming he is a lodge leader and see him being a slippery little devil and they'll think ''well if freemasonry is full of slippery little so and so's who can't even give a straight answer to a straight question and who actually promote people like that to positions of leadership within that organisation then why the heck would i want to have anything to do with an organisation like that?'
I have been in charge of Lodges, but now I'm just the Treasurer. This year I'm the head of Royal Arch Masons of Idaho and head of my York Rite College. Once we found the Idaho College, I'll be the Celebrant (the presiding officer).
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Why would you think that our rituals involved "magic?"

I do give you answers, but most of the time you guys don't like them.

I have been in charge of Lodges, but now I'm just the Treasurer. This year I'm the head of Royal Arch Masons of Idaho and head of my York Rite College. Once we found the Idaho College, I'll be the Celebrant (the presiding officer).
no i'm asking you to say whether or not the rituals are magic rituals?

give us a straight answer

does freemasonry employ ceremonial magic rituals?

yes or no
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maybe he's off to ask his superiors how he should handle that question?

what with harry potter and merlin and other movies and TV programmes there has been a push to make magic cool in the eyes of the young many of which now self identify as 'witches' and other assorted occultic titles

so perhaps that is all a process of normalising the occult and who knows maybe soon the freemasons will say loudly and proudly 'yes we are a magical order that is engaging in qabalistic ceremonial magic' and perhaps the public who now have brains full of harry potter won't bat an eyelid at that...
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no i'm asking you to say whether or not the rituals are magic rituals?
Our rituals are initiatic rituals.

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maybe he's off to ask his superiors how he should handle that question?
Why would I need to do that?
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