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Both the Moon landings and the Moon material are real 15 18.29%
The Moon landings were real but the Moon material was faked 9 10.98%
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Old 29-03-2016, 07:36 AM   #201
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Photos are fake/alterd as shit.....and landings hm ???
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Old 29-03-2016, 02:19 PM   #202
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Firstly Bart Sibrel is a lying money making businessman
Yeah you lost the argument when you started off with that crap. Don't like the message? Then discredit the messenger! That seems to be how you roll, truegroup.

You can regurgitate the same pile of sick as often as you like, but it will always look and smell the same.

The fact that you just go round and round in circles tells me you've got nothing new. Just the same tired old crap we've heard a million times before.

Just for the sake of any reader who dips in and out of this thread, here's a recap:

1) the technology to transport humans to the moon did not exist in the 1960s - a proven fact;

2) NASA faked the footage - a proven fact;

3) that's all you need to know.

So, to reiterate, the moon landings were 100% faked - this has been proven time and time again - yet some members will continue to bang the moon men fantasy drum.

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Old 29-03-2016, 02:23 PM   #203
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Photos are fake/alterd as shit.....and landings hm ???
If they faked the footage, and the technology to accomplish the mission didn't exist, then it's probably a fair assumption that the whole show was fake.
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Old 29-03-2016, 02:28 PM   #204
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If you actually read the full link, you would have seen this paragraph....

"But perhaps the losses need to be put into context, said Robert Pearlman, editor of collectSPACE.com, an online publication and community for space history and artifact enthusiasts. "According to the Office of Inspector General, out of the 26,000 samples NASA has on loan, it has lost just 517," Pearlman told SPACE.com. "That's not to excuse the space agency and its curators, but with so many samples spread across the globe, some losses are probably to be expected."

So effectively 2% of stuff NASA loaned out to third parties has gone missing. Hope that clears this up for you.
But Robert Pearlman, editor of collectSPACE.com is a liar, and collectSPACE is not a credible source. It's a bit like citing beforeitsnews.com!

You've got a serious credibility problem with your sources of "information".
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But Robert Pearlman, editor of collectSPACE.com is a liar, and collectSPACE is not a credible source. It's a bit like citing beforeitsnews.com!

You've got a serious credibility problem with your sources of "information".
Circular logic. I didn't cite the source, the hoax claimer did

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Old 29-03-2016, 02:39 PM   #206
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If they faked the footage, and the technology to accomplish the mission didn't exist, then it's probably a fair assumption that the whole show was fake.
Circular logic again, whoohoo

None of the footage is faked. The whole show occurred as the copious evidence concurs.
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Yeah you lost the argument when you started off with that crap. Don't like the message? Then discredit the messenger! That seems to be how you roll, truegroup.
Wow, and you lot don't "discredit" NASA at all do you. I love hypocrisy.

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You can regurgitate the same pile of sick as often as you like, but it will always look and smell the same.
That entire website yellow on black(yurgh) is a good example of stuff from 10-15 years ago - all debunked, all a pile of shite.

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Just for the sake of any reader who dips in and out of this thread, here's a recap:
1) the technology to transport humans to the moon did not exist in the 1960s and was developed in that era. There are numerous third party companies who performed this. FACT.

2) NASA faked none of the footage. FACT.

3) Users who argue against the missions invariably ignore huge posts detailing things they don't like.


You didn't watch any of those videos did you, you didn't understand the radiation explanation and you made no comment on the Orion section. Don't worry though, you aren't unusual in this aspect, pretty much every hoax believer I come across does this. They usually run away. Some keep posting to attempt to wear me out

NOW, a simple elaboration of my point 1 above.

The vast bulk of the technology to get man to the moon involved getting the hardware into space. The Saturn V was an engineering masterclass of numerous companies who built the various parts to it. The assembly crew had a fairly challenging job as well.

Now, is anyone going to claim that the Saturn V didn't make it into orbit? Should I put up the videos showing extended weightlessness in space during Apollo(to be ignored)?

Next, we need to keep astronauts safe in space. Since there are numerous examples of them floating around in the Command Module in space, we can take it that the craft was fit for purpose. Hoaxers claim they floated in low Earth orbit for a week or two, so it's not a claim they can easily defend to say it didn't work! It was built by North American Aviation....not NASA.

We need a craft to land them on the Moon and keep them alive for 3 days. Another company called Grumman built this. Here they are building it fit for purpose or knowingly lying

http://m.eet.com/media/1086306/1541art_pg26.jpg

Here is a documentary showing it's development...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhUG...7R8wfHUmcKP6bU

The space suit is the same format as ones used on the ISS, that worked just fine.

The computer was developed by MIT nothing to do with NASA. It's wildly claimed it wasn't fit for purpose, but it didn't need to do much and was designed to maximise the small memory available. All the work was performed on the ground and uploaded.


Now, which of the equipment wasn't fit for purpose and explain with credentialed detail why not. Or just ignore this post, wave your arms and get all upset because I'm kicking your arse

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If they faked the footage, and the technology to accomplish the mission didn't exist, then it's probably a fair assumption that the whole show was fake.
i agree but hummans are far from advanced civilization and we certnly are not the first......so its fair to say that they saw/photographed (by satelite or by landing)something that is not for the public
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so its fair to say that they saw/photographed (by satelite or by landing)something that is not for the public
It's "fair to say" any old crap really, but backing it up with proof is the tough bit.
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I agree. Soviets would have said something if it was actually fake. I am saying based on what I am reading here. I might hold a different opinion if I search more about it and start to verify. Though, I haven't heard Soviet saying anything about it being fake as well. Thanks. I appreciate it.
The Bolsheviks were funded from the West through Jacob Schiff and Trotsky (Lev Bronstein."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPywkr8QSdQ


The "Cold War" itself was a hoax. Nobody was "monitoring" anybody. It was all for show. They were monitoring themselves and getting suckers to go fight wars for them, as they are doing now.

McGowan's "Wagging the Moondoggie" has been taken offline by his daughter since his death. She claims she wants to put it in proper book form. Meanwhile the thousands of links to that article all over the net have all gone dead. Here is a not-perfect-but-usable Word-File of it "Wagging the Moondoggie" I saved a while a back.

http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/zg3tym...Moondoggie.doc



Freemason Ron Howard (director of "Apollo 13") Says The 1969 Apollo 11 Moon Landing Was Faked In A Studio

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Media and Entertainment

Walt Disney - 33° Freemason - Walt Disney Studios
Gene Roddenberry - 33° Freemason - Creator of Star Trek
Darryl Zanuck - Freemason - 20th Century Fox production chief (produced the Day the Earth stood Still)
Jack Warner - Freemason - Warner Brothers Studios Hollywood
Carl Laemmle - Freemason - Universal Studios
Cecil B. deMille - Freemason - Hollywood movie director
Louis B. Mayer - Freemason - Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
Walter Cronkite - Freemason - Newscaster
Director Ron Howard - 33° Freemason - Apollo 13
Rupert Murdoch - Knight of Malta - head of largest media corporations
William F. Buckley, Jr. - Knight of Malta - Skull and Bones - CIA - TV personality and commentator
Henry Luce - Knight of Malta - Magazine Magnate of Time, Life, Fortune etc.
William Randolph Hearst - Knight of Malta - Newspaper Magnate
Pat Buchanan - Knight of Malta - CNN political commentator
John Wayne - Freemason - Actor
Clark Gable - Freemason - Actor
Will Smith - Freemason - Actor (note this is a very partial actor list)


Robert Plant: "I never really believed they went to the Moon, to be honest with you.”



Attaboy!

Finally, a couple of celebrities with some minor amounts of integrity, not afraid to speak the truth. But, of course, in the case of Howard, it's certainly LIMITED HANGOUT, since Howard claims the NON-1969 Apollo Moon Landings were "real."

It was 100% faked, as were all the "moon landings" & as the current International Space Station is being faked.

Bogus Re-Entry Vehicles - the Phony International Space Station Hoax



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt_qySI10VI

Dark Mission




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5w0pm24ic



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MalYSn_qIU4

Wagging the Moondoggie - Dave McGowan

http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/zg3tym...Moondoggie.doc

Blowing the Apollo Lies to Shreds with Simple Logic - Dave McGowan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdeplQFbDBs

Funny Thing Happened On the Way to the Moon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xciCJfbTvE4

Astronauts Gone Wild


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAbpWaDL4Zc

Marcus Allen on the Faked Moon Landings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVR2WTK20Ig



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Useful information accelerates change. Redundant information restricts change. If sustained long enough, redundant information finally becomes misinformation, which results in negative change

In communication theory and the laws of thermodynamics the quantity called entropy is the amount of energy reversibly exchanged from one system in the universe to another. Entropy also is the measure of disorder within those systems. It measures the lack of information about the structure of the system. For our purposes 'structure of the system' should be taken to mean 'the human condition,' the universal subject of aesthetic activity. Entropy should be understood as the degree of our ignorance about that condition. Ignorance always increases when a system's messages are redundant. Ignorance is not a state of limbo in which no information exists, but rather a state of increasing chaos due to misinformation about the structure of the system.

The First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy is constant: it cannot be created or destroyed; its form can change, but not its quantity.

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The phenomenon of man, or of biological life on earth taken as a process, is negentropic because its subsystems feed energy back into one another and thus are self-enriching, regenerative. Thus energy is wealth, and wealth according to Buckminster Fuller is "the number of forward days a given system is sustainable." Biologist John Bleibtreu arrived at a similar conclusion when he noted that the concept of time can best be viewed as a function of the Second Law of Thermodynamics--that the measure of entropy in a system is a measure of its age, or the passage of time since the system originated. In other words, the degree of a system's entropy is equal to redundancy or stasis whereas its negentropy is equal to kinesis or change. So information becomes energy when it contributes to the self-enriching omni-regenerative wealth of the system. When it's not contributing (i.e., redundant) it is allowing the natural entropy to increase." -- Gene Youngblood, "Expanded Cinema" (1970)



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Man was invented a mobile device and process. He has survived through his ability to advance or retreat as his mortal requirements have dictated. Of his two primary faculties, quickness is of great importance but intellect is first.

He recognizes that vital quickness may be momentary reflex but that satisfactory continuities are proportional to his degree of comprehension of the consequence of his initiative. Degree of comprehension he measures in the terms of the complex integration of all individuals' all-time experience, as processed by intellectual integrity. His quickness would be a spontaneous servant to that integrity.

Despite intermittent submissiveness to runaway momentums of residual ignorance, man guards most dearly and secretly his freedom of thought and initiative. Therefrom emanates the social-industrial relay, from self starter to group starters.

Out of this freedom alone understanding may be generated. Man recognizes understanding as an activated circuit of mutual comprehension by individual minds. Understanding must be plural. However, because individual experience is unique, understanding can be developed only in principle out of the compounding significance of plurality of experience. Thus, man knows that the voluntary interactions of understanding dealing in fundamental principles will always master involuntary mass actions, and that individual freedom ever anticipates and ultimately masters mutual emergency."

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https://archive.org/download/Negentr...icles%2009.mp3

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It's "fair to say" any old crap really, but backing it up with proof is the tough bit.
There is a lot material out there which at least points out that something is fishy at least
but you are a proven sceptic so no point to discus it
(Proff when i ask you something you ignore it even if im on "your " side)
we have been through this.......i wish you very best
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There is a lot material out there which at least points out that something is fishy at least
but you are a proven sceptic so no point to discus it
(Proff when i ask you something you ignore it even if im on "your " side)
we have been through this.......i wish you very best
Now now, don't get like that. Show some examples and we can discuss it. I look at everything the same way, if ever I saw something unexplainable I would say so. Not happened yet with Apollo. So what have you got?
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NASA's Moon photos. Do you see those buildings and structures on the Moon?

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NASA's Moon photos. Do you see those buildings and structures on the Moon?
Bumping your own post in your own thread that nobody bothered to watch? Collier is full of crap and at 32.50 that is NOT a bloody picture from NASA
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Collier is full of crap and at 32.50 that is NOT a bloody picture from NASA
32:55. Who took it then?

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32:55. Who took it then?
32.55 is a different picture to the one at 32.50 - you edited your post to correct it after mine was made! There are no "structures" or "buildings" on it either, there is a raised centre on the crater.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1975Moon...12..463A

Who took it? No idea, could be NASA, could be Apollo, Lunar Orbiter, the Russians. It's a crusty shite version and there is nothing clearly visible.

He's a con man and I know you are a fan, never mind.

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32.55 is a different picture to the one at 32.50 - you edited your post to correct it after mine was made! There are no "structures" or "buildings" on it either, there is a raised centre on the crater.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1975Moon...12..463A

Who took it? No idea, could be NASA, could be Apollo, Lunar Orbiter, the Russians. It's a crusty shite version and there is nothing clearly visible.

He's a con man and I know you are a fan, never mind.
Yes I edited my post afterwards. Now it reads "32:50 onwards".

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