Go Back   David Icke's Official Forums > Main Forums > The Global Awakening

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 13-11-2010, 02:17 AM   #61
zsymon
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,316
Likes: 13 (10 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bemore View Post
No.

By Your standards and todays standards it is considered cruel.
People don't like being sacrificed, they don't like it now and they didn't like it
then. Doing something against someone's will, especially if it is agonizingly
painful, is cruel.. by any standards, especially by the victim's standards.

Having your beating heart ripped out feels the same now as than it felt 7000
years ago, that is what I am meaning to say.

Last edited by zsymon; 13-11-2010 at 02:20 AM.
zsymon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2010, 02:28 AM   #62
bemore
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Middle of the United Kingdom
Posts: 4,320
Likes: 0 (0 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zsymon View Post
People don't like being sacrificed, they don't like it now and they didn't like it
then. Doing something against someone's will, especially if it is agonizingly
painful, is cruel.. by any standards, especially by the victim's standards.

Having your beating heart ripped out feels the same now as than it felt 7000
years ago, that is what I am meaning to say.
lol I completly understand with what you are saying. To any person having there life ended by being murdered, never mind by having there heart ripped out whilst they are still alive must be horrendous to them.

What I was trying to say was collectivly I dont imagine it to be considered cruel, although now thinking about it people must of empathised with what that person must of been going through. So although accepted by everybody.....some may have considered it cruel.
__________________
We need each others help.
bemore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2010, 02:30 AM   #63
zsymon
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,316
Likes: 13 (10 Posts)
Default

I think it was probably like the witch burnings.. people will come to see the
spectacle and cheer on the executioners, but when it was their time to step
onto the pyramid and have their heart ripped out, they weren't cheering any
more.

Just because people don't consider something as being cruel though, doesn't
mean it is not in fact, cruel. Even if not a single Mayan considered the human
sacrifices as cruel, that doesn't make the sacrifices any less cruel.

Last edited by zsymon; 13-11-2010 at 02:31 AM.
zsymon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2010, 03:08 AM   #64
thefreeradical
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: The Still Side of Infinity
Posts: 532
Likes: 0 (0 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lizzyking View Post
English is a mess sometimes!

Try this:



It seems nearly impossible to write in e-prime always (and it doesn't always seem desirable), but I make an effort to, and I've found it has actually contributed to me having less less dogmatic thinking patterns over time. I know English isn't your first language, but from what I've learned, the way English is commonly used, it tends to lend itself to programming dogma. So if you start thinking in English, try to be aware of this!
That is so frickin true *high 5's* thank you, you've helped something click in my mind
thefreeradical is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2010, 03:12 AM   #65
thefreeradical
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: The Still Side of Infinity
Posts: 532
Likes: 0 (0 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zsymon View Post
Every single person that posted in this thread, wrote in the same manner as I, some of them
even said that they consider their beliefs the absolute truth. Every person in this thread wrote
down his beliefs without mentioning the subjectiveness on them, and they have no reason to,
we should just assume that everything we say is nothing more than opinion, experience and
belief.

But you disagree with me, and not with them, so you only accuse me of speaking in absolutes,
and that is not fair.

When Dryadlover called my beliefs wrong, because they didn't match with the absolute truth,
with HIS absolute truth, (he even called it absolute truth) you didn't bother accusing Dryadlover,
because you agreed with him, but when I write things that go against your current beliefs, you
feel attacked and you accuse me of speaking in absolutes.. again, that is not fair.
Dryadlover has different energy behind his posts.

It's not about agreeing or not agreeing, I promise. It's about - well if you want the honest truth it's me projecting my limitations on to you, anything that pisses me off is a signal to go within and sort it out -
but in my head, it is that I see many of the things you believe are limited, cut, dried, finalised, and incomplete. I come and challenge them because I think you can have a rounder understanding. I absolutely see your light, and feel it, and the power of your love, and your beauty. And I really really love all that.
Then you have a personality self who has a few things that it's afraid of.
Now if you're after love, it's love you need.

Bemore is mentioning things that I feel are closer to a balanced view.

Last edited by thefreeradical; 13-11-2010 at 03:15 AM.
thefreeradical is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2010, 03:59 AM   #66
zsymon
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,316
Likes: 13 (10 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thefreeradical View Post
Bemore is mentioning things that I feel are closer to a balanced view.
That is the point though, it is not my intention to be balanced within both
Light and darkness. I accept the existence of the darkness, and will give of
my love unconditionally to both beings of Light and beings of darkness, but
I will never integrate the darkness within me, because it would corrupt who
I am and I would never be able to become whole in this life.
zsymon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2010, 04:01 AM   #67
thefreeradical
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: The Still Side of Infinity
Posts: 532
Likes: 0 (0 Posts)
Default

I see.

I get it. We're not trying to do the same things as each other. Right! OK. ((hugs))
thefreeradical is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2010, 06:17 AM   #68
awakeorasleep
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Manchester
Posts: 289
Likes: 0 (0 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zsymon View Post
Well, it is a fact that Mayans sacrificed millions of people against their will..
but that doesn't mean they weren't scientifically and technologically advanced.

Just look at alien civilizations, they have amazing technology, yet many of
them are ruthless, cruel and malicious, much like the Mayans were as well.
Having just returned from my honeymoon in Mexico I now count myself as an expert in Mayan culture. Mayans didn't sacrifice humans, it was the Aztecs and Tolteks and the Mayans that are around today don't like Apocalypto. The tour guides also don't like you mentioning 2012 or suggesting that the Mayan priests didn't change the shape of their childrens heads by binding them but had odd shaped skulls because they were aliens.
__________________
Si vis pacem para bellum
awakeorasleep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2010, 08:35 PM   #69
zsymon
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,316
Likes: 13 (10 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by awakeorasleep View Post
Having just returned from my honeymoon in Mexico I now count myself as an
expert in Mayan culture. Mayans didn't sacrifice humans, it was the Aztecs
and Tolteks and the Mayans that are around today don't like Apocalypto. The
tour guides also don't like you mentioning 2012 or suggesting that the Mayan
priests didn't change the shape of their childrens heads by binding them but had
odd shaped skulls because they were aliens.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/d...9MayaScrfc.htm

Quote:
Many groups of people have performed human sacrifices as a way of pleasing or
appeasing their gods. The Maya were no different in this regard. Inscribed
stones bear witness to the Maya practice of human sacrifice. Precious feathers
appear where blood would be expected coming from the wounds in some
depictions of Maya human sacrifice ritual. Perhaps this symbolizes how valuable
the life-giving fluid is to the gods. In the accompanying illustration [see larger
image], instead of spurting blood, there are serpents.

The common method for human sacrifice seems to have been for the "ah nacom"
(a functionary) to extract the heart quickly, while 4 people associated with
Chac, the rain/lightning god, held the struggling victim's limbs. Human sacrifices
seem to have been made, as well, with arrows, by flaying, decapitation, hurling
from a precipice, and throwing the victim into a limestone sinkhole.

Warfare was one source of human sacrificial victims. It is thought that losers in
the ballgames may also have sometimes been victims, and sacrifice appears to
have been connected mainly with ballgames, festivals, and the assumption of
power by a new king.

Besides humans, the following objects were offered as sacrifices: manatees,
jaguars, opposums, parrots, quail, owls, turtles, pumas, crocodiles, squirrels,
insects, feathers, dogs, deer, iguanas, turkeys, rubber, cacao, maize, squash
seeds, flowers, bark, pine boughs and needles, honey, wax, jade, obsidian, virgin
water from caves, shells, and iron pyrite mirrors.
zsymon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2010, 09:16 PM   #70
firstlook
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 3,985
Likes: 2 (2 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zsymon View Post
That is the point though, it is not my intention to be balanced within both
Light and darkness.
Actually any post that Labels the difference between light and darkness is not of the light.

Its is both light and dark.

Look at the words you use to describe the dark. There is darkness in these words that show you still utilize these judgments.

__________________
Effectiveness is the measure of Truth

"Sometimes, a man can meet his destiny on the road he took to avoid it."- The International
firstlook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-11-2010, 09:28 PM   #71
farros
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,401
Likes: 486 (189 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zsymon View Post
I

Why do we consider the Mayans so advanced if they indulged in practices that
would be considered completely barbaric, malicious and unethical in our times?

.
Perhaps it was an honour to be sacrificed and the victim's went into death willingly, knowing the body is merely a shell and death is just a transition?
__________________
My Youtube Channel - Raw foods, healthy living, truth ramblings, music.
Red Ice Radio - If you're not listening to Red Ice, you're not getting it.
Health Essentials - Full movie. Everything you need to know about health.
farros is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-11-2010, 04:52 AM   #72
pound
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 6,466
Likes: 475 (261 Posts)
Default Toltec/Maya Chichen Itza

Quote:
Originally Posted by awakeorasleep View Post
Having just returned from my honeymoon in Mexico I now count myself as an expert in Mayan culture. Mayans didn't sacrifice humans, it was the Aztecs and Tolteks and the Mayans that are around today don't like Apocalypto. The tour guides also don't like you mentioning 2012 or suggesting that the Mayan priests didn't change the shape of their childrens heads by binding them but had odd shaped skulls because they were aliens.

Quote:
The Toltec influenced the Itza in more ways than just architecture. They also imposed their religion on the Itza, which meant human sacrifice on a large scale. They expanded their dominions in northern Yucatan with an alliance with Mayapan and Uxmal. As the political base of Chichen-Itza expanded, the city added even more spectacular buildings: the Observatory, Kukulcan's Pyramid, the Temple of the Warriors, The Ball Court, and The Group of the Thousand Columns.



The Temple of the Warriors has pillars sculptured in bas-relief, which have retained much of their original color. Murals once adorned its walls. It is surrounded by numerous ruined buildings known as the Group of a Thousand Columns.


http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeol...ichenitza.html

Also at Chichen Itza:

Quote:
The Cenote of Sacrifice was reserved for rituals involving human sacrifice involving the rain God. The victims were not only young women, but also children and elderly men and women.





"Chacmool at Chichen Itza"

Quote:
The chacmool is a sculptural figure seated on the ground with its upper back raised, the head is turned to a near right angle, the legs are drawn up to the buttocks, elbows rest on the ground, and its hands hold a vessel, disk or plate on the stomach where offerings may have been placed or human sacrifices carried out.

http://maya.csueastbay.edu/archaeopl...e/Chacmool.htm
__________________
"Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes." -- Carl Jung
"The educated person is one who knows how to find out what he does not know" -- George Simmel

Last edited by pound; 14-11-2010 at 04:59 AM.
pound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-11-2010, 04:58 AM   #73
zsymon
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,316
Likes: 13 (10 Posts)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by firstlook View Post
Actually any post that Labels the difference between light and darkness is not of the light.

Its is both light and dark.

Look at the words you use to describe the dark. There is darkness in these words that show you still utilize these judgments.

I don't agree.

There is a large difference between Light and darkness, I respect and love
both energies equally, and their value is equal for the Multiverse, but I do
not see the point in ignoring the differences between these energies.

To live within Light, you have to know what darkness is, so you can stay
away from accepting it into your being and your personal life. To stay in
Light, you have to stay away from hatred.

If I describe the nature of the darkness, what they do and how they act,
then yes some of my descriptions will be negative. It is hard to only use
positive terms to describe something that is intensely negative and harmful.

Last edited by zsymon; 14-11-2010 at 05:00 AM.
zsymon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:08 AM.


Shoutbox provided by vBShout (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.