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Kali - Goddess Of Violence

A recent report by United Press trust of India (UPI) stated that during the past three years more than 2500 young boys and girls were sacrificed to goddess Kali in India. Another of AFP's recent report say: hundreds of young boys and virgin girls are sacrificed every month for the deity Kali. In one case Rama Sewak hacked his eight year old son to death in broad daylight in Delhi because goddess Kali had told him he would come back to life and bring him good fortune. Bloodthirsty Kali is worshipped openly the lenght and breadth of India.Kali's statue stands naked astride the inanimate body of the Hindu deity Shiv, tongue stuck out with blood dripping blood from fang-like teeth. She holds a noose, a skull-topped staff, a blood ecrusted sword and a severed head. She is also known as Durga Devi, Shaktima, Uma & Parvathi in other manisfestations.

The priest of Delhi, Kali Bari, says that a child sacrificed to Kali ensures man the birth of a son. Human sacrifices are also made to these gods or goddesses, either to appease them or to ask favours of them.

Bihar's police chief J.Sahay said: "We have tried our best to curb human sacrifices, but what can an agency do when an entire village chooses a victim and cuts off his head with his parent's consent". Bihar's famous lawyer, Umkant Chaturvedi, said that "Human sacrifice under our law is treated as murder, but the killer - never found - is always the local high priest". He continues, "at times the local policemen are reluctant to take action because of the inbred fear of the gods and goddesses".

A famous human sacrifice occured in 1972 when a powerful leader in Maharashtra state - in order to find a treasure - offered blood from 11 virgin girls from Manja. He did not find the treasure, but four persons were hanged for the crime and the main culprit escaped because of his political influence.



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Kali sacrifice ritual:

"O man, through my good fortune thou hast appeared as a victim;
therefore I salute thee ... I shall slaughter thee to-day, and
slaughter as a sacrifice is no murder." Thus meditating on the
human-formed victim, a flower should be thrown on top of its head with the
mantra: "Om, Aim, Hriuh, Sriuh." Then, thinking of one's own wishes, and
referring to the Goddess, water should be sprinkled on the victim. Thereafter,
the sword should be sprinkled on the victim. Thereafter, the sword should be
consecrated with the mantra: "O sword, thou art the tongue of Chandika" ...
The sword, having thus been consecrated, should be taken up while repeating
the mantra: "Am hum phat," and the excellent victim slaughtered with it.

1972 a leader in Maharashtra state- in order to find a treasure - offered blood
from I I virgin girls to Manja.

Some time ago, two brothers named Siddharth and Ravi asked their 21 year old
sister Shobha to take a bath and come for prayers to a nearby temple in Kerala
State. To her horror, the brothers pierced her with a sword and iron rods
chanting mantras. Withering in pain, she begged for pity, but she was cut to
pieces and her body burned bit by bit. The brothers had done it to unearth a
hidden treasure. At first they tried to find another victim but when they
failed to find another virgin girl, they sacrificed their own sister. Only
Brahmin children are exempted by the Vedas from human sacrifice.

2006 dozens of children sacrificed!


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Supported by religious texts!!

"Let the head and blood of a human victim be presented on the right
side of Devi (Kali), and the sacrificer address her standing in front.
Let the head and blood of birds be presented on the left and the blood of a
person's own body in front. Let the ambrosia proceeding from the heads of
carnivorous animals and birds be presented on the left hand as also the blood
of all aquatic animals."
-- [Kali Purana, Rudhir Adhyaya -Chapter of blood-]

2.2 Karpuradistotra
"O dark one, wondrous and excelling in every way, becomes the
accomplishment of those worshippers who living in this world freely
make offering to Thee in worship of the greatly satisfying flesh,
together with hair and bones, of cats, camels, sheep, buffaloes, goats and
men."
-- [Karpuradistotra Verse 19]

Yajur Veda 30
Inspire, O Vivifier God, the sacrifice, inspire the lord of the
sacrifice to take his share! We call upon the Lord, distributor of
wonderful bounty, the One who looks upon men. I bind to the stake in form of a
token: ... for Strength a servant, ... for Pastime a
prostitute, for Lust a woman with a spotty skin, ...
Now he binds to the stake the following eight types of men: one too
tall one too short; one too stout one too thin; one too pale one too
dark; one too bald one too hairy; all to be offered to Prajapati.

-- [Yajur Veda 30:1-22] See also: The Gayatri mantra (RV III, 62, 10);
Rig-Veda 5:82,5 (§ IV 8).

Harper's Dictionary (Comment)
Harper's Dictionary of Hinduism notes that there is a connection in
practice between the rituals of the horse-sacrifice and that it may
have been the model for the human sacrifices within Hinduism. It is
not clear, however which form is the earlier model and it could
equally be the other way around or it may be that both rituals are
merely variations of an even earlier theme.

Other Barbarism inspired by Kali and Shaki!

The Britannica Encyclopedia (2005 edition)

3.12) recounts how the "Binderwurs of central India ate their sick and aged in
the belief that the act was pleasing to their goddess, Kali." Cannibalism may
also have been common among followers of the Shaktism cults in India. [28]

3.13 Kali and the Thuggee
In India, ... people offered lives to village goddesses, and followers
of Kali sacrificed a male child every Friday evening. ...
Members of India's Thuggee sect strangled people as sacrifices to
appease the bloodthirsty goddess Kali, a practice beginning in the
1500s. The number of victims has been estimated to be as high as 2
million. Thugs were claiming about 20,000 lives a year in the 1800s
until British rulers stamped them out. At a trial in 1840, one Thug
was accused of killing 931 people. Today, some Hindu priests still
sacrifice goats to Kali. [29]

3.14 Kali Sacrifice (Combined Comment)
Even one [human] sacrifice to the bloodiest goddess in the Hindu
pantheon, Kali, would keep the goddess happy for a thousand years.
[30] This would not prevent her worshippers from attempting to make her very
happy, ... [31] also according to Spencer the Hindu goddess
Kali demanded human sacrifice. [31a]

3.16 Child sacrifice
In India, child sacrifice was practiced to the goddess Kali. [33]

3.20 India Kali worship
Kali was the goddess of death and darkness, demanded human flesh. From ancient
times, the sacred scriptures of the Hindus, the Vedas, spoke of the desire of
the gods for human sacrifice: "The sacrificer will sacrifice a man first for
man is the first of all animals. Thus he slaughters the victim according to
its form and according to its excellence" (Shatapata Veda).
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I think I have understood Hinduism correctly when I say that it is eternal, all-embracing and flexible enough to suit all situations.
– Mahatma Gandhi
Hinduism: hundreds of Gods and Goddesses with thousands faces, interchangeable yet individual, all facets of the same Supreme One and playing important roles in the eternal law of reincarnation and karma and dharma. And then there is Tantra, the Hindu mysticism where our whole universe is the tangible manifestation of divine energy that must be ritually channeled.
Normally, those sacred forces are rerouted and administered through animal sacrifice.
Normally.
We went to India to see if human sacrifice still exists.
Some hundred years ago, the notorious crime organization called Thuggees robbed and murdered traveling men all around India. The M.O. of theses vicious scoundrels and shitheels was to slaughter a large number of folks in a single operation. Many believe this band of highwaymen and at steppas were actually a religious cult, whose thirst for claret was explained by Kali worship.
A more recent example of human sacrifice is a tale from the year 2002, which involves a girl who was allegedly tranquilized, gagged and tied by a group of Kali worshippers. It is said that she was stripped naked, shaved, sprinkled with holy water and rubbed with cooking fat. Then the rank bastards sawed off her hands, breasts and her left foot.
Apparently she bled to death immediately, as the villains left her mutilated body in front of a photograph of a blood-soaked Kali idol.
She was said to be only 15 years old.
So are beheadings, dismemberments and burnings in the name of Kali really still occuring in the 21st century India or are these just murders of the more secular kind, disguised as something more mystical in order to receive whatever gain violence and brutality gives to the deranged fuckheads that exist among humanity, be it India or Indiana.
Posing as true tantric monks some ruthless conmen, cold-blooded blacklegs and other incurable impostors promise the poor and uneducated of India that Kali will look after those who look after her. She will give bring bread to the impoverished, justice to the oppressed and anklebiters to the childless, if only they turn to human sacrifice to end their misery.
In many of these cases it has nothing to do with real mysticism or spiritualism.
It comes down to pure and simple greed of those who are willing and able to exploit those who are desperate and superstitious.
They are not true Sadhu babas, devout mystics who have dedicated their lives to achieving Moksha, the liberation from the cycle of reincarnation.
These days there are four to five million of these spiritual adventurers around, constituting about half a percent of the country’s total population.

These occult rebels are spokesmen of the gods and sometimes even worshipped as ones.
But can you reach holiness by being unholy? In Varanasi, we crossed Ganges, the river of life and death in search of some very strange mystics attempting a direct and personal experience with God on their own terms.
Both Goddess Kali Ma and Shiva are said to inhabit cremation grounds. Along with cemeteries, the burning places reinforce the idea that the body is temporary; flesh and blood are but passing things. They are deemed taboo by most Indians. Those are the places where the Aghori dwell.
Aghora is the left-hand path of tantric mysticism, the most hazardous path there is.
By breaking and transcending all taboos, both cultural and social, the Aghori are trying to penetrate the illusion that is the world.
They worship Shiva with alcoholic and cannibalistic rituals. They fornicate with lower caste women during their menstrual period. They are known to fish dead bodies from Ganga and feast on their bloated flesh in order to make themselves immortal and gain superhuman strength and powers.
The Aghori believe their internal purity protects them while they practice these forbidden practices.
The aghori is trained to see through the illusion of taboo, therefore he can not be corrupted by it.
There is no good and evil for him, only reality. Reality is the only God and that’s why all paths lead to that God, whose name is Shiva.
Kali is the counterpart of Shiva and they both are destroyers of unreality. Shiva and Kali being so close, we hoped to extract inside information on human sacrifice from those holy madmen.
We got more than we bargained for, as we gained access to a midnight puja. The Aghori got drunk and gathered around the bonfire. One of them ripped the throat of a live chicken with his bare teeth. The blood was drunk straight out of the headless chicken. There was urophagia out of human skull and eating of a stray dog carcass. They started speaking in languages. No, scratch that, more like screaming in languages.
What followed was pure chaos and disorder. The madness took hold of us too. We did some of the things they did. It was as if being possessed.
Most of it is very hazy. There were embers from the fire floating into the night and droplets of blood on the lens of the camera. At some point, we were strictly told to leave the puja, because evil spirits were about to enter the area.
We didn’t need to be told twice.
After daybreak, we went back to the scene of the insanity. Here is the transcript of our interview with Dhobia Baba, conducted that morning.

RIKU: Can you explain what happened yesterday in these pujas?
DHOBIA: When we sacrifice chickens, dogs, goats, pigs, sheep or human beings, our crematorium, people and God are all happy and satisfied. This is when Shiva speaks to us directly and we can get whatever we desire. We do this kind of a meditation in secrecy to gain more. Sacrifices allow us to do harm on our enemies. Sacrifice transfers one from Hell to Heaven.
RIKU: I have heard that some Aghori also eat human flesh. Is that true?
DHOBIA: Yes, we do eat human flesh. Dead or alive. If you mess with me, I will chop off your head right now. I will peel off your skin and reveal your bones. Seven murders are forgiven. No hanging, no prison time. That’s the way of the Aghori sect.
RIKU: In the Tantric history there has been human sacrifices. Is that still happening?
DHOBIA: Human sacrifices are for doing good. If you have to save somebody, if someone is in danger or some misfortune has taken place, we sacrifice a human being. To save somebody we have to kill and sacrifice someone else. This is the only way we can save somebody.

We left, in silence. These were the one of the most extreme individuals we had ever come across.
In closing, we’d like to point out that the Aghori are exceptional part of Hinduism and not at all a common sect.
Worshipping Kali does not automatically equal “evil”.
The name Kali comes from the Sanskrit root word Kal, meaning time.
Nothing can escape time.
Love for Kali, the ‘Terrible Mother’ means to conquer the trepidation for death.
She brings the death of the ego.
She brings the death of the delusional self.
She brings the death of the point of view.
Goddess Kali Ma’s symbolism is easy to misread, if seen through bias. It is like saying Christianity is a religion of death worship, cannibalism and torment. Well, the faithful do drink the blood of Jesus, eat his flesh and wear a symbolic torture instrument around their necks.
But that’s not the whole picture, now is it?
Everything dies, because life would be worthless without death. Only through this awareness one can triumph over death and the fear of death.
R & T


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Kali ("Black" or "the Black One") is the Hindu goddess of death, destruction, chaos and time. The name Kali derives from the Sanskrit root word Kal which means 'time'.

She is the wife/Shakti of Shiva and is said to have more than one origin: in one myth, Kali is a form of Durga. When Durga was fighting demons, she lost her composure and her brow grew dark, and when her forehead split Kali emerged whole and fully grown, similarly to the myth of Athena's birth.

In another, a demon who could only be killed my a woman challenged the god Shiva. Parvati, his loving wife, dove into his mouth to remake herself in the poison of his throat. When she emerged, she was transformed into the goddess Kali.


Kali is fearsome in appearance. She is said to be black as ash, and many armed: some iconography show her with anywhere from 4-40(?) arms. Most often, she is four-armed, bearing a knife in one hand and a severed head in another. One hand is lowered to confer boons and the other raised in a gesture of fearlessness. She is gaunt, with baleful red eyes and a protuding tounge, usually dripping blood. She wears a girdle of severed arms and a necklace of severed heads, and from her ears dangle the corspes of children.



Her hair is long, streaming and black. Her favorite haunts are cremation grounds, where she is accompanied by preta (ghosts and/or demons).
Kali's most famous myth is her near destruction of the world. When the demon Ratabika ("Drop of Blood") was laying waste, Kali came to defeat him. You see, Ratabika had the uncanny ability of reproducing himself through each drop of blood shed on the ground. Kali solved the problem by killing each reproduction and drinking the blood before it hit the ground.



Then, when she found Ratabika, she sucked him dry and he was defeated. But Kali grew bloodfrenzied and went on a killing rampage, slaying the people she had previously been defending. Greatly afraid, Shiva threw himself at her feet to stop her, and she trampled him to death. Shocked, she stopped, but somehow he was restored to life and Kali was calmed.
Kali Ma (as she is sometimes called, meaning "Black Mother") is also attributed as a destroyer of ignorance and a keeper of the Divine Order. In Kali's position of destroyer, she represents the things inherent in life the purity minded Hindu society normally don't wish to acknowledge: uncontrolable women, violent death, massive destruction and life outside of the dharma. She not only represents the forces that are often unacceptable to Hindu society, but also offers a way of understanding it through devotion (bhakti, in a sense) to her.


The flipside of ideath's description is that Kali is only a dark, single form of Parvati--Shiva's constant consort. In Hindu polytheism, all goddesses are in fact manifestations of Devi--The Great Goddess, despite their varying powers and characters. While shakti is essential for a male Hindu god to act, it is important to remember that the goddess relinquishes all of her power to the male god when she unites with him. Also, it deserves note that single goddesses often must use their powers to serve the gods. In one myth, Durga--an alternate form of Kali, was created by the gods in order to defeat Mahishusura the buffalo demon, so that they could resume their control over the universe.
Kali is however, a central figure in Tantrism; a strain of Hinduism which involves the subversion of its religious norms.

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Parvati, from Hindu mythology is the consort of Shiva. As the story goes, Shiva married Sati the daughther of the priest-king Daksha. Daksha was annoyed at Shiva and ended up insulting Sati. Enraged, she threw herself on her father's fire altar, contaminating the ceremony and killing herself. Shiva was upset by this, and moved off to a mountain cave, where he became a hermit. There he meditated and turned himself into a pillar of fire.
The Gods were unhappy and feared. They asked Shakti to "let his energy be released. Let it be transformed into a warrior who will command the celestial armies". So she took the form of Parvati.
They sought to have her win Shiva's heart with the help of Kama, the god of love. Kama shot a love dart at Shiva (basis for Cupid perhaps? Sounds very similar). However Shiva opened his "third eye" and reduced the dart to ashes.
Parvati responded by practicing self denial and becoming a hermitess. This won Shiva's favor and she became his consort. From their embrace, Kartikeya, commander of the gods was created.
Parvati is also mother of Ganesha, and is worshiped as the goddess who got Shiva to quit being a hermit, and to reveal some of the secrets of the universe.
In grand Hindu tradition Parvati takes on different forms in different stories. As such she is also Kali.
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wow interesting and shocking....was aware there was some form of guru that hung around the cemetarys....i remember from some tv show around the world in 100 religions or something similar...

who was the guy doing the interview?
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Hmm, pretty terrible.

Nowhere in the Bhagavad Gita does it condone human sacrifice...

Krsna himself, the supreme being, never asks for blood sacrifice.

It seems to me that something demonic has established itself in place of genuine deities and people seeking material favors are willing to kill for these demons...


It is absolutely 100% contradictory to vedic religion to murder other beings, especially humans, and to do so in hopes of 'favors' or material rewards is just woefully non-vedic.

A serious shame.
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wow interesting and shocking....was aware there was some form of guru that hung around the cemetarys....i remember from some tv show around the world in 100 religions or something similar...

who was the guy doing the interview?

Scene from Madventures Hindustan episode. Riku and Tunna get to witness a very
rare and controversial puja ritual of the aghori sect. The aghori babas (holy
men) are famous for their taboo-breaking activities, as they try to reach
holiness by being unholy. More information at www.madventures.tv
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d10x8LI1NOE

Scene from Madventures Hindustan episode. Riku and Tunna get to witness a very
rare and controversial puja ritual of the aghori sect. The aghori babas (holy
men) are famous for their taboo-breaking activities, as they try to reach
holiness by being unholy. More information at www.madventures.tv
Awesome video eternal, thanks for posting.

I've heard of this sect before and read of everything they do. Some of the sit on corpses all day or even sleep on dead bodies.

Basically they want to push their physical and material existence into the lowest possible point ... supposedly to free their spirit?

I don't think they are free of spiritual contamination at all... in fact, it is obvious that during their ritual they are becoming possessed or at least inviting possession...
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Nice find ES, I haven't read it all, but I agree that it does go on.

The majority of Kali worhipers don't practice human sacrifice, they just go to kali temples from time to time, or go into trances in grave yards, or have a modest alter in their home.

Human sacrifice is viewed as 'tantric' because it deviates from Orthodox Hinduism, but the vast majority of tantrics will also be against it.
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I tried watching that video but it made me feel sick. I felt the pain of that poor helpless animal. As for the rest....

All they will achieve by harming others is disconnection and separation from the true nature of all beings which is unity, and since we are all connected they are not only maiming and killing their victims but their very own selves.
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A recent report by United Press trust of India (UPI) stated that during the past three years more than 2500 young boys and girls were sacrificed to goddess Kali in India. Another of AFP's recent report say: hundreds of young boys and virgin girls are sacrificed every month for the deity Kali. In one case Rama Sewak hacked his eight year old son to death in broad daylight in Delhi because goddess Kali had told him he would come back to life and bring him good fortune. Bloodthirsty Kali is worshipped openly the lenght and breadth of India.Kali's statue stands naked astride the inanimate body of the Hindu deity Shiv, tongue stuck out with blood dripping blood from fang-like teeth. She holds a noose, a skull-topped staff, a blood ecrusted sword and a severed head. She is also known as Durga Devi, Shaktima, Uma & Parvathi in other manisfestations.

The priest of Delhi, Kali Bari, says that a child sacrificed to Kali ensures man the birth of a son. Human sacrifices are also made to these gods or goddesses, either to appease them or to ask favours of them.

Bihar's police chief J.Sahay said: "We have tried our best to curb human sacrifices, but what can an agency do when an entire village chooses a victim and cuts off his head with his parent's consent". Bihar's famous lawyer, Umkant Chaturvedi, said that "Human sacrifice under our law is treated as murder, but the killer - never found - is always the local high priest". He continues, "at times the local policemen are reluctant to take action because of the inbred fear of the gods and goddesses".

A famous human sacrifice occured in 1972 when a powerful leader in Maharashtra state - in order to find a treasure - offered blood from 11 virgin girls from Manja. He did not find the treasure, but four persons were hanged for the crime and the main culprit escaped because of his political influence.



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I tried watching that video but it made me feel sick. I felt the pain of that poor helpless animal. As for the rest....

All they will achieve by harming others is disconnection and separation from the true nature of all beings which is unity, and since we are all connected they are not only maiming and killing their victims but their very own selves.
As far as I know, I've only met one person who has been brave enough to go to a Kali temple in India, and he's half Indian himself.

He said that every one was calm and centred apart from the goats that they sacrificed, and the crowd were very keen to recieve the blessing of the goat's blood.

When he confronted the priests about the goats suffering, they said "The goats were unhappy, but the goat spirit is happy"

The response that he was thinking was very similar to your response,

"Fucking Nutters!"
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The majority of Kali worhipers don't practice human sacrifice, they just go to kali temples from time to time, or go into trances in grave yards, or have a modest alter in their home.

Human sacrifice is viewed as 'tantric' because it deviates from Orthodox Hinduism, but the vast majority of tantrics will also be against it.
I just wanted to reiterate the sentiment of the above good posting.

To me the problem lies in the definition of "Tantra". Within 'Tantra' you can find some of the lowest/darkest forms of "spirituality" to the highest forms/degrees of illumination and enlightenment.

It might also be worth pointing out that many Tantric texts are terribly misinterpreted and taken in a literal fashion when they shouldn't be. Which is just another example of how when it comes to Tantra there is so much confusion and ignorance (for example see the quotes given earlier in this thread as these are presented in a bit of a misunderstood fashion). In the west people tend to think it means ritual sex, while in India it tends to be viewed by many of the orthodox many as black magic. But those who mention such notions of Tantra tend not to have much, if any, knowledge about the higher, non-dual forms of Tantra. Whenever someone mentions the likes of Kali Ma nine times out of ten it is from the Puranas or some other text which gives an account full of blood and gore. There is seldom any insight into what it means, for as with most spiritual traditions each are wrapped in their own symbolism and subtle meanings.

Even so, it is probably fair to say that the vast majority of Kali worshippers are mainstream, normal Hindus, who can often themselves be quite orthodox. Just another example about how "Tantric" ways have blended into what is considered as traditionally Vedic practices and beliefs. No doubt though they find most dark practices unacceptable and abhorrent.

Jai Ma!


P.S. If anyone wants to learn more about Kali try the works of Ramakrsna.
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As some of you know already or can see by this thread Kali is a complex topic I have tried to include the various info her creation, the different myths/stories, her role, and the allegory and worship and multiple meanings of kali. Any explanations of additional info is welcome.
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Old 23-11-2009, 03:44 PM   #18
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To me the problem lies in the definition of "Tantra". Within 'Tantra' you can find some of the lowest/darkest forms of "spirituality" to the highest forms/degrees of illumination and enlightenment.
One Tibetan Buddhist master likened Tantra to making love to a snake.

If you're doing it right it produces all this wonderful spiritual anti-venom that can purify your karma quicker than any other practice. But if you make one false move it will strike you dead...

It's also been likened to a jet, or a super-fast train than can accelerate your journey to enlightenment so that you accomplish it in one lifetime.

But because of the speed of your progress, even the slightest deviation from the purity of the authentic path entails a great risk of spiritual harm to yourself, like the end result of jumping from a speeding train.

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I've heard of this sect before and read of everything they do. Some of the sit on corpses all day or even sleep on dead bodies.

Basically they want to push their physical and material existence into the lowest possible point ... supposedly to free their spirit?
It is like
some Satanism (blood sacrifice etc) to invoke entities to do your will or help you achieve magic spells.

Most Sex magic rituals rooted in the tantric way usually revolve around Shiva and Shakti/Kali/Kundalini symbolically but also some rituals darker/negative can include blood/sacrifice summoning of entities) left hand path supposedly liberation by indulging in the dark side of human nature.

It's the other side of the coin (path) to doing good deeds to achieve liberation/or earn good Karma. Some may follow both paths to balance Karma to achieve Moksha
(escaping the cycle of reincarnation)

As some Buddhists follow the middle way (neither to extreme to the left or right hand paths) If that's what it means?

But the Aghori sect (in the video)
use some of the rituals to get power and gifts from Kali via sacrifice.
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I don't think they are free of spiritual contamination at all... in fact, it is obvious that during their ritual they are becoming possessed or at least inviting possession...
Indeed. They are in a way taking on Kali's character by using their teeth on the sacrificial animals and the eating of human flesh. Vibrational compatibility they are operating on the level of kali's consciousness likes attract so her consciousness/spirit may lock onto their own (those doing the rituals) so maybe they are possessed by Kali.

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But the Aghori sect (in the video)
use some of the rituals to get power and gifts from Kali via sacrifice.
Indeed. They are in a way taking on Kali's character by using their teeth on the sacrificial animals and the eating of human flesh. Vibrational compatibility they are operating on the level of kali's consciousness likes attract so her consciousness/spirit may lock onto their own (those doing the rituals) so maybe they are possessed by Kali.
She can be used for ego death which is a good thing, but she's not known for doing things cleanly.

Her Karma / vibration can be so destructive that it's common for her own temples to burn down, and I've personaly witnessed a Kali temple banner falling off the wall and catching fire.

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